Election Controversy EXPLODES in Orem Utah

At my recent Elections Presentation (watch here) author Ken Bowers of “Hiding in Plain Sight”, was upset by my books and it got a little heated between him and one of the audience members.

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Well-known Latter-day Saint author gets really mad at me and it ends up in actually a couple of people screaming at each other on today's Tree of Liberty Society program. So a couple of weeks ago, as hopefully you've seen on my website, the Tree of Liberty Society dot com, I had a presentation, gave a presentation in Orem, Utah on elections and on election integrity and what we can do to like just the history of elections, how we've gotten in the situation that we're at today and how to really restore election integrity.

And after the presentation was over there was a Q&A session that ended quite interesting. A well-known author amongst LDS Latter-day Saint circles, Ken Bowers, who is the author of Hiding in Plain Sight, a book that I read very, very early on in my waking up process twenty-something years ago. Other than that one issue I have at the end of the book, the rest of the book I thought was great.

So he came to my presentation and he had some words to share and somebody else didn't really like what his response was. I thought you would enjoy it. I think it's a fun interaction, very interesting, very revealing, and you can decide for yourself who you thought was right or if both sides had something to say.

I'd like to hear in the comments what you think about the interaction between myself, author Ken Bowers, and another audience member about my book Invasion, Volume Two. Take a look. Invasion One and Two. And in those books, both of them, you say that there are presidents of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and apostles that are members of these secret conspiracies.

Would you explain that from your point of view? Spoiler alert, right? So, in the book what I do is I lay out data. I explain one of the organizations that is in the book talks about the Skull and Bones Secret Society, which we have, there's one at Yale, which most people know about, and another one at the University of Utah. I talk about what it is that is in their initiation process at both organizations.

How do you become a member? What is it that they do? What positions of power do they get into? Then I list individuals that we know, either through the lists that are at those universities that they've published in their yearbooks, or that individuals have published about themselves in autobiographies or otherwise. And so, it's a listing. So, listing the data, and then you decide what that means.

What is your feeling about it? Do you believe that President Nelson, you accuse him of being a member of a different—

I don't accuse him. He says it in his autobiography that he's a member of Skull and Bones and Owl and Key, and it's in the record there.

So, what is your take on those admissions? Do you think he's a false prophet?

Those are theological questions. I don't know, this is more like a political event, what we do with government. I would not want to destroy somebody's testimony. I think somebody needs to take that information, and take it to the Lord, and decide what to do with that.

Good answer.

Or do you- you've got to have an opinion on it.

Sure. I don't know, what is your opinion?

Do you believe that he's a false or some prophet?

I think that somebody that does the activities that Skull and Bones members do, is somebody that needs to repent of that.

I agree.

So, you have a question, yeah.

On your treeofliberty.com, do you have a running list of unconstitutional laws that we can disobey?

Oh man, that would be easier to write down the laws that don't violate the Constitution. [LAUGHTER] I don't have a list, but that's kind of building that understanding, will help us to do that on our own.

Yeah.

Can you go back to the image that had the three questions?

Yeah.

Very good, thank you.

Yeah. And so, I don't say these things to, again, this is not to give up. I'm not giving up. I am as involved as anybody could be, but it helps us to realize what the solution is.

As I asked earlier in the presentation, does voting harder fix the rigged voting machines? Does it fix the ballot stuffing? Does it fix the throwing away of the votes? Does it fix the judges that are ruling in favor of these things? And if it doesn't, that means there's something else that we need to do. And so, that's why we lay out those first processes of building our understanding.

That's what the founding fathers did. They understood that if the people were educated and informed, they could not be ruled by a tyrant. And then once we built that understanding of correct principles and of the dangers to liberty, we will be able to understand the appropriate steps that moving forward. And so, laying that foundation, first we have to understand where we're at, so we know how to move forward.

Yeah.

I just, we should think about, did the founding fathers vote harder for parliament or did they rebel?

Right.

Just another example.

Yep, thank you.

I remember reading something from Thomas Jefferson, I believe. You'll know better than I do.

You started the tree of liberty. He said that the tree of liberty needs to be refreshed from time to time. And then the words after that are a little gruesome. - The blood of patriots and tyrants, hopefully more tyrants than patriots. That is what he said.

I think about that, and as a father, and as all fathers should be protectors of their family, I feel, I almost feel obligated sometimes to be more active. But I get held back and I don't know that it's the right time. I wish the Nauvoo Legion would be calling me in and a few things like that.

Well, there are certain things that I believe that we need to act and then the Lord can magnify those actions. And we don't, just like we don't need to wait for the legislature or Congress or the courts to bring us our rights back, that we need to start acting and then gathering together with others like we're doing today at John Birch Society, the Tree of Liberty Society, and other efforts that we need to gather together and build our own strength and focus on those things that actually work and stop doing the things that don't work because if we understand the distinction and we understand the conspiracy that we face, we will stop doing the things that the conspiracy is promoting as a solution. We need to really start getting that drilled into us by hearing these things and going over this information on a regular basis so we start to see really where we're at, the awful situation that Moroni warns us about that we're in. Yeah.

I've read the initiation rites for the Skull and Bones. And going through those initiation rites, it's pretty evil, very evil. I won't elucidate on it here. But you say that President Nelson is a member of the Skull and Bones, and if that's tru—

I just need to make sure that you, I'm not saying that. He said that in his autobiography and in the University of Utah yearbooks. So just to kind of be clear, I'm not saying that, he said it.

Well, you're repeating it.

Correct. (audience laughing) But I'm not making a claim.

If that's true, then he would have to be a pretty evil person because he'd have to go through those same initiation rites and they're pretty darn evil.

It's not something I would wanna do.

Where do you get the information that he was a member?

His autobiography and the University of Utah, I mean, yearbooks.

Where does he say that in his autobiography? I'd like that. I'd like to get some chapter. (audio cuts out)

Not for this, not for this. Yeah, we're not here for this.

Why not?

Stop it.

You can look it up on the archive. You can look it up.

I bet it—

If anybody's interested, I'd be glad to show you. I've got some scans of it on my computer. We can move on if people want to move on with other—

This man is saying that—

Stop it!

No!

Tim Conway says, "Stop it!" Did you watch Tim Conway say, "Stop it!"?

I think it's a fine question.

Well, Samuel was a prophet and he let his two bad, naughty sons rule in judgment seats and the whole people demanded a king. God was against a king, Samuel, the prophet was against a king and they got their king because they were wicked.

I will not stop it. We're talking only about politics here tonight.

Eli was a prophet. He—

Okay, thank you. Okay, Jennifer, or Pam, I'd like to go on. Thank you.

He did.

He did not.