Member Training - Surveillance

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You're still muted. There. There you go. Okay. Our dear Father in heaven, as we come before thee this night, we ask thee to bless us that we might have thy spirit to be with us, to guide and direct us and help us understand in depth and be open to the solutions that are most important for us at this time. We ask thee to bless us with... of camaraderie as we work and share and listen with each other, that we might be able to find solutions and strengthen as a group. We ask that you bless us now that those who teach and help us tonight, guide and lead us, that they may have thy spirit to be with them. These things we pray for in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen.

Thank you so much. Alrighty, Carmen, turn the time over to you for the minutes, please. Tree of Liberty. Society minutes for Monday, August 31st, 2025. Ben gave the opening prayer was offered by Pam. Ben gave the Saturday report on the barbecue picnic. And he said that the Wednesday book club was postponed and they're going to go back to doing it on the first and third Thursday as normal. Training, the title of training for that night was debunking the lie that defending liberty is contentious. And we are, the action that we are called upon to do is that we are to confront evil. Okay, confronting evil is contention, is what people are told. But that's how the lie is sold. The action items that we are to build our membership on and our behavior, we need to build a respectful organization and act with respect.

Jesus drove all, let's see. Our job, this is an action item here. Our job is to love each other and not follow the example of the evil one. Our action item is, if you love me, keep my commandments and encourage others to do the same. Rebuke the hypocrites. Identify them. Paul called out improper behavior with a friend, and that's what we need to do, too. Another action item is that Paul didn't react. He responded. He took a stand and made the correction in the public, and it brings clarity to do it that way. And that's how we're supposed to do it, too. We need to be willing to talk about the elephant in the room, address it, get over it, and move to open conflict and not submerge the conflict. It is risking escalation, but it is worth it. Another action item is that we need to take responsibility for our own actions.

And to stand together for truth. Another action item is to reprove a friend, but showing an increase of love to bring that person back to the Savior. A real, I think this is a real heavy. Action item here is that we have a heavenly mandate to expose the works of darkness and shine light on the evil and wear ourselves, our lives out in bringing hidden things, bringing out hidden things of darkness. Speak boldly on weighty matters and stand united against those who are trying to silence us under the guise of avoiding contention. One of the last items mentioned was not just loving the rebuked person, but showing love for our colleagues and feel the courage to call for the calling out. And the closing prayer was offered by Rod. Next meeting was to be today, September the 8th, 2025 at nine o'clock in the evening.

Thank you, Carmen. Appreciate that. As always, just trying to make sure. So, yes, it was last week was the I was that we did training. It just went I got sick the day after, like even more sick than I already was. So I haven't been able to do a lot. I'm glad I canceled the book club, but I am on the mend. And we have previous trainings that I hadn't gotten to recently on. the website, and I've got them scheduled just for the next three days for new ones to come out every day for the next three days. So if you haven't checked out the previous three trainings, I encourage you to go check that out this week. Also, as a reminder, I just posted this today. After 30 days, the trainings are available publicly. And so if you have those that you know that you would like to Share with them what we do and involve them in the Tree of Liberty Society. After you wait 30 days, you can share one. And if there's one specifically that you think would be really good to share with them, that's fantastic.

And share that around. And so I just want to let folks know what we're doing and so that they can be a part of it. So if you have any questions on that, please let me know. I want to make sure I'm not missing anything else on that. This, another reminder, we have on the 18th, there's two events that we have. We have in Jueb County, we have our monthly meeting there that we have that we will be covering principles of the Constitution. items of liberty and the conspiracy, as well as that same very day in Manti, I'll be speaking for the Constitution Party and talking about principles of the Constitution that are not talked about, that you'll not see anywhere else. And it'll be a really good event if you can make it out to that as well. And then the following Tuesday, the 23rd, we'll be doing our Utah County class. And so on the Liberty Bootcamp, we'll be covering the global satanic conspiracy. And so I encourage you to come out to that if you're in Utah County.

So with that, I would like to turn the time over to Micah for this week's training. And I've made you a co-host, Micah, so you can share your screen and do all the things that you need to do. And you're muted, Micah, so just to let you know. Okay. Oh, right. Sorry, so I was still muted. We're covering something serious. I want you to treat it with the seriousness that it deserves, so go ahead. It's true. It is serious and maniacal. Okay. And is there anyone who cannot hear me very well? You're fine. You're good. I'm good. Okay, I can probably get a little closer anyway. I'm always a little paranoid. You can really look at my nose hairs. Okay. Anyway, right. Okay, so today's presentation, it is on more specifically the video surveillance state because there's many aspects to surveillance that the conspiracy is doing and how we can stop it.

I can give you a little teaser. how we're going to stop it. This proposal has no legislative means attached to it. Anyway, we're going to talk about how things have advanced probably that there's a good chance you're not aware of. Go over the conspiracies, excuses, why they get to do it, and then solutions about it, both defensive and offensive measures. I don't want to pull any punches. This presentation is to educate you on the severity of the issue and the purpose of educating you on the severity of the issue is we have a very special project that we are hoping to get some donations for. If nobody donates, I'm still doing the project.

It'll be completely out of my pocket. all the time and so many of the resources regardless of your donations will come out of my pocket anyway that'll just make it that'll just make it slower um which speed is is nicer anyway so uh hold on i gotta move this thing so i can read my own thing okay okay so the conspiracy is obsessed with identifying and keeping track of people in the early 1900s the mugshot was invented uh like this particular issue is 1912. um chicago area um you know and they give all kinds of basically excuse me basically like biometrics in 1920s you know not very good compared to today's standards just you know weight heights you know some basic features um but you know eventually those these things uh you know that's not enough for them so they gotta they gotta get your picture they gotta know who you are um even you know in 1933 is when birth certificates which is basically a license to live which is even more so now because of the way that the banking system is established and many other things um you know you the basically the conspiracy says you have to have a legal right to exist that that's what a that's what a a legal privilege to exist that's what a birth certificate really is you know this actual picture notification of birth registration you know Now it's a little more gentle.

It's like, oh, it's a certificate. Congratulations. You know, back then they were a little less gentle. And so and they're just sucking up all this data. It's even got to this point where, you know, even like if you have your cell phone and it's attached to your vehicle, the manufacturers are sucking up that data and they're selling it. Your text messages, your phone calls, GPS locations. Uh, and a lot of that happens through your cell phone. And so, and that also tells you that that means that there's actually, because they are sending this vast amount of data that you're getting in these cars, that also means that the vehicles are basically have cell phones in them to report to the manufacturer what your cell phone is doing.

So, cause it's the only way they're, they're getting track of that, you know? And then of course, today we have all of our, our, uh, automated, uh, self tracking, personal tracking. and gps units attached to our hitters so even if you don't have a fancy car you probably got a phone and so and even like some of this oh it kind of got underneath there but you know they keep trying to pass this where they're trying to put a g they're trying to actively put a gps unit they go straight to the state in every car so they can track your mileage and charge you taxes on every mile you drive and so now but none of that isn't is enough and so i'm going to show you a little short video about Maybe some surprising things. You might have known this, but perhaps not how prevalent it really is. There's four cameras mounted on the car for the license plate reader system. It's pretty good as far as getting the correct plates. What they do is they take a picture of the license plate and basically queries the registered owner of the license plate.

And then I have other cars. I'm one of the chase vehicles positioned either in front or behind me. Sam's Club Walmart area in Arizona, and you'll see there's a little white car coming ahead right there. I'm trying to stay in front of him because he's running a license plate reader, and he's driving through the parking lot catching everybody's license plates that's here. And I think that's kind of a rotten thing. See, there he goes right there. That's a license plate reader. So now I'm getting his license plate. CK97961 and I don't know who he works for there's no official stuff on his car stating that he works for DPS or any other place like that and yet he's got a full license plate reader system mounted on the front of his car and he doesn't like being followed obviously or being photographed because he just stopped right there so I'll take a video of him right now and yeah he's turning his stuff off he doesn't like being videoed or anything else like that so Today on Forbes, FedEx's secretive police force is helping cops build an AI car surveillance network. 20 years ago, FedEx established its own police force.

Now it's working with local police to build out an AI car surveillance network. Forbes has learned the shipping and business services company is using AI tools made by Flock Safety, a $4 billion car surveillance startup, to monitor its distribution in cargo facilities across the United States. As part of the deal, FedEx is providing its FLOC surveillance feeds to law enforcement, an arrangement that FLOC has with at least four multi-billion dollar private companies. But publicly available documents reveal that some local police departments are also sharing their FLOC feeds with FedEx, a rare instance of a private company availing itself of a police surveillance apparatus. To civil rights activists, such close collaboration has the potential to dramatically expand FLOC's car surveillance network. which already spans 4,000 cities across over 40 states and some 40,000 cameras that track vehicles by license plate, make, model, color, and other identifying characteristics like dents or bumper stickers. Flock Nova is going to change the game of criminal investigations. I've heard from so many chiefs that they have this system, that system, and that system. They know they have the data, but it's taking their analysts hours and hours to build a case.

And now with Flock Nova, it's one click. It's a one case. Yeah. So that was the, that last guy, that was the CEO of flock safety. He's basically like the biggest wiener bully in the world. If you ask me, just the way he behaves and acts. So, and then if he didn't catch, well, some of the stuff wasn't even said. So like FedEx is working with four separate companies and that video is claimed where they're doing this, the surveillance and it didn't talk about it in this video, but, but there are FedEx is also. getting license plate readers on their trucks um i don't know how many but it is it's a thing that's happening and so to to re-quote this guy here you know police chiefs know they have the data but it's taking their analysts hours and hours to build a case and now with flock nova it's one click to solve one case and so what does this what does this really mean what is he talking about and so You might have seen, this is an example, this is a picture of one of their 40,000 cameras that they have on the roadside.

And they've got this software that it automatically collects all this information and it basically makes a plot map of where everything is happening, all these vehicles. So Micah, just to be clear for everyone. Basically, if a cop wants to, yeah. Which you'll know you're identifying one of these. They have the flashing blue light. So those are these Flock cameras, right? That's not these ones that we see in the video. But those are the same thing. Those specific ones are a different company. I don't believe Flock has any of those ones. But I mean, they're the same idea, the same tech. It's yes and more. Okay. Which we'll be getting into. As far as I know, Flock doesn't have any of those ones with the blue lights that you're talking about. They could, but I don't think they do. I just mean that those are the things that are doing that same thing.

But Samantha, sorry, has a question. Yeah, I'm not clear on why they say that they're using these cameras. What is it they're trying to do that's good for them or you? How do they justify all these cameras? What's the purpose? OK, so they are. That's a good question. So they are claiming that their system prevents and catches crime. And they they invent all these stats and stuff. Some of the stuff get into that as well. The guys is under they're protecting their own vehicle, their own private property. So that's why they can have a camera on their own car.

However, now they're sending it to police forces who are going to. use it as well is that the is that the idea no so none of these none of these flock cameras are on private cars because like fedex has a contract to put them on their delivery vehicles um but as far as they know nobody's putting them on their private cars no no i didn't say that i'm saying they're putting it are they putting on their vehicles to say that they're trying to keep themselves safe no these cameras are everywhere they're on cops and they're on roadsides and they're on some specific people businesses like fedex trucks and so and basically what it does what the system does is automatically takes the license plates and it reads them and attaches identifying markers to them as well and then basically makes a geolocation uh a point system on a map are you saying i'm sorry i'm so sorry are you saying there is no narrative why they justify doing this they're just doing it no they're saying that this this catches criminals. For society. They're saying that this is a service to society because it catches criminals. It's not their job.

They're a third party apparatus and they snoop all this data up. They get all the information from the state as to who owns what. They snoop it all up. They categorize it. They make a giant map saying this is where the points that all of this vehicle has been found. They can make, you know, they'd be like they can make some logical inferences that like, well, he was there and there. And so obviously he drove this direction. And so and basically what what the cops see on their end, they can just freely access this information whenever they want. They just log into the system and they're just like they'll just type in information about a person or they'll type in information like a license plate. and it'll just pop up all the data that has been gathered and the system does more than flocks because there's a bunch of there's a number of security companies that do the same thing and they're all talking to each other and they're all exchanging information in a big database and so this is like this is surveillance like it's incredible it's something that couldn't even be dreamed of and so Anyway, I got a little off track here, I think.

Anyway, and so, don't worry, they're working on more stuff. This is from their website, this image here. So they're working on drones. And so, anyway, is there any more questions about this insanity of this particular section? Okay. So, oh, and another thing I should have mentioned. Because it goes, I didn't even dive into the thing as to why they're claiming they're doing it. This system also automatically reports crimes that it thinks are happening. And regularly, the system flags the incorrect vehicle as being stolen. And people who are just minding their own business will get pulled over and treated like exactly like you. to expect and cuffed and assholed and all because a robot told the cops that this is what you need to do so it's it's the this is the if you've seen if you ever saw the movie elysium where you got the cop the robot cops and they're like beating the crap out of people like this is the first stage of that and so like seriously they've got all this stuff or they're where they're tracking you And they can track your license plate and all this flock stuff and identifiable and everything.

And they got you saying that it's a privilege to exist with your birth registration and your driver's license where they regularly keep images of you on file. And so they put all that into this allegedly defunct federal entity called the Information Awareness Office. This was the actual logo. that was proposed in 2001 and so but what happens if you okay and so but what what's next right because these guys always want more and so well if you if you go when you do something somewhere what if you go and you do something somewhere and when you go and you do that thing you don't take your fancy data sucking car with you and you don't take your personal gps tracker aka cell phone and and life your life surveillance device you don't identify yourself to anyone and and uh and you don't tell anyone on facebook that you did it afterwards and so none of the none of this stuff is is happening and so what on earth you know for the conspiracy this is a problem right because they're like well all this stuff that we set up doesn't matter all of a sudden because now someone can run around and we don't know what they're doing and so they've got a solution And so their solution is biometrics.

And the basic concept to explain it is they use imaging software to take a point cloud of your face and they use all these points. They can measure the distance between them all using excellent recognition techniques. And then they basically generate a serial number. for your face and it's unique to your face and so they'll capture the image and then from the image they take a detection they're like oh there's a face and then from there the face is analyzed automatically and then they match up your serial number to another serial number on until they find another serial number that's got the same same serial number like oh that's a match and then they go bam there's our guy That's who that is. And so to give you an example of how crazy this is, like this is actually happening and this has been happening really hard for a couple of years.

So I'd like to go to Walmart's privacy policy. This is on their website. And so they claim that you come, anything they have about you, they're saying we can share it. You know, your basic personal identifiers, name, address, email, blah, blah, blah. You know, they'll pick up your Mac address from your phone, IP address, cookies, mobile IDs, anything that can suck up. Network, you know, commercial, like, oh, you make a purchase and they figure out, oh, you own this car because you bought this thing from us. You know, any messages back and forth with them. You know, we're expecting all this, right? you know, demographic information, financial information, how rich or poor are you, geolocation. And if you look at this, the second from the bottom on the right, we have biometric information, such as voice prints, imagery of the iris or retina, face geometry, and palm prints or fingerprints. So they're claiming that they have the right to share this and collect it with whoever we feel like. And they've even got plans to use this information. You know, I don't know if you've been to Walmart recently, but they got all these fancy LCD price tags. I thought that was cool. And I said, I'm like, oh, well, that's nice because they can just hit a button and change it.

And they don't have to have people running around putting tags and stuff. I didn't realize at the time I was like, they're going to use this stuff to change prices for surge hours. If there's enough people of a certain demographic in the store and they know that. They want this many of that. They're just going to up the price on specific products, maybe even drop the price on some things or whatever, whatever their little algorithm is going to is going to say. I mean, of course, we know that the prices are going to go up and not down very rarely because that's that's how it works. And so anyway, and I got these things in the parking lot. You've probably seen this.

You've probably seen this. And this company is specific. This is not flocked over. This specific company is called flop. lock cop um and they're basically doing the same thing as flock but with these big camera systems but they're they're also stuck in uh facial recognition data and so yeah and so basically you go into a walmart parking lot and they've got this thing there which which i think most of them do i've seen them a couple of times but i don't really know how many of them have them but you know you go to a walmart store and they got this thing and they just like you're pulling it in they're like pull license plates and they'll they'll track you you go to the register they'll know that you drove that car the next time you come in they're like oh here comes jim or whatever you know and they they already know everything about you on this on a psychographic profile before you even walk into the store you drive in they suck the plate they come out they they Get the details of your face.

They get your serial number. They match it up. You go into the store. It keeps track of it. They can, they can pull, they can figure out when you walk into the store, you got your cell phone on you. That actually pings. They've got sensors and stuff. So I don't know if you've ever been into like a store and then you leave and you get like an email from Google to ask you to review this location. It's because as Google actually sends out, well, mail businesses, sometimes things that they can put around their door to make that happen. And so, but I'm, I believe that there's stuff that's even more advanced than that. So all this stuff gets tied together.

And of course, and all this stuff, the lot cop flock, they're all talking to each other. They're all sharing information. It's like suddenly capitalism doesn't exist for these guys when it's all about sucking your data. They're all, they're all like best free friends and the cops just suck everything. And so here we got, we got this huge psychographic profile on you, you know, built by. Basically the, how does this work? You know, built by, why is this thing not working? It's got this huge psychobractical profile on you, basically built by the NSA. And it's, it's basically impossible to go anywhere and not have the conspiracy, know you were there and what, what you did. Like it's, it's not impossible, but it's, it's, it's becoming that way. And so there are excuses. the conspiracy excuses for sucking up all this data.

So, I mean, I think us here are generally well acquainted with the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution, well, the Bill of Rights of the Constitution. You know, the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against reasonable search and seizures shall not be violated, nor shall issue upon probable cause supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized. And so there's no... There's no exceptions. Well, there is an exception, and that's the census. Outside of the census, the law is if the government wants data about someone, then they have to get a warrant. I think if somebody confessed something straight to the government, fine, I'll give it a pass. And the conspiracy just says, well, it's a third-party doctrine.

Any information you share with others, even in done with with alleged confidence uh for goods and services it you have no protection of that and so the conspiracy just goes hey friend just get over there make this thing and then give us the give us the information on the person all right this is literally the only slide for illegal excuses we're not going to get into this because it's it doesn't even matter they're just going to keep doing it right any any questions on on this insanity here okay so what are some solutions Hold on, Micah. Mark just raised his hand. Okay, go ahead.

One comment on the census. We all need to remember the census bureau is collecting thousands and thousands of times more information than the Constitution grants them. The Constitution only grants them. to collect our name and our address for determining congressional districts. And that's it. And they're measuring, they have all sorts of surveys mentioned, all sorts of things from many different departments of the executive branch. Yeah, they're just, yeah, they're trying to get as much information out of you as possible that they got no right to do so. And so now the third section of this presentation is on solutions. physically restoring our anonymity and offensive measures. And so start with defensive measures. So we got these slot cameras. And one thing you can do is you can add to your license plate adversarial noise is the technical term. And basically you get some generated digital codes and you can screen print them or whatever and place them on your license plate.

Now, definitely the conspiracy says this is illegal, but. You can do it, and it'll probably be hard for them to really even figure out. And I don't understand how it works. Just for whatever voodoo reason, the robots that are automatically pulling these license plates, if you have the right code, they can't even recognize that there's a license plate there. Because when the systems they operate, there's a probability. They add a margin of error to it. And so like this example, this guy did this test and he basically built his own little system, which he said only cost him $250. It wasn't that hard. Well, at least to him, he's much more skilled. I don't know anything about this stuff. And so you can see here on the right that this particular, he tried a bunch of different stuff, but this particular one he did, the system said that this was the code for the plate, which it wasn't.

And it gives it a probability of saying, the the robot says that it's 27 likely that this is the proper code so you know it's not it got it wrong and so but you can get these codes where it can't even recognize that there's a little rectangle there you know i have no idea how it works but it's one thing that can be done so the conspiracy has all these cameras everywhere and but many of them use what's called uh lidar and That's where they basically push out an infrared pulse, a laser beam, something really low power that doesn't hurt your eyes. And that laser reflects off of objects, and then it goes back into a camera, a sensor that's designed to pick it up. And it basically makes a point cloud.

And from that point cloud, you get a 3D model of whatever it's doing. And so that's what the LiDAR is for. And apparently this has been getting pretty bad, as in bad for us. A new device can scan your face in 3D from hundreds of meters away. A LiDAR scanner has a resolution so high, it can image ridges and annotations of only one millimeter on objects hundreds of meters away and capture objects as distant as one kilometer. I'm a little skeptical of this, but maybe it's true. If it is true, they're probably, it's probably not broad. It's probably like a telescope that's probably hard to control and not that practical. But hey, you know, probably in a couple of years, maybe it will be practical. And so you get this three, and one of the problems with this LIDAR is that you can wear sunglasses. It doesn't matter. So the LIDAR goes right towards it.

This example is this guy, same guy, same picture, one without LIDAR, one with, and the one on the left. so regular sunglasses you keep visible sure we can't see anything and so if whatever camera was being used for facial recognition wasn't using lidar which so many of them are this would work but you don't know which ones are and aren't and i imagine lidar is getting more and more common and cheaper i'm sure and so but on the right you got the lidar image the glasses don't even matter his face is recognized and so and he was this guy specifically was testing this with his iPhone facial recognition software for unlocking his phone. So whatever level of test that is, I don't really know.

But you can get LiDAR blocking glasses. This is one company called reflecticles.com. And so this is what it looks like on a regular camera on the left and on the right is taken with LiDAR. And so this was able to successfully keep him from unlocking his iphone when he wore these so and the way that the the facial recognitions are is the eyes all around the eyes is the biggest point of measurement that matters the most so which which makes sense right because if you're going to make a system like this want something that's really hard to change you can grow facial hair uh you know you can wear a mask but people still need to see so they're always going to have their eyes exposed in some measure basically um unless you came up with some really weird contraption like an iron man helmet that you could see out of i guess and so and then just another another point so this was a hat that he wears for biking that's really highly reflective it has like reflective beads in it And for whatever reason, this was able to distract the software of his iPhone and kept it from unlocking. So which was kind of interesting.

So basically, this reflective hat distracted the robot and it didn't recognize that there was even a face in front of it. How good is an example? I don't know. These are defensive measures. So now some other solutions. We're going to go into offensive measures. Oh, why didn't that show up? And anyway, there's supposed to be a subtitle that says, and Micah Turner's crazy idea. So we're going to watch this short video. What one man can do to the ULIS in less than half a day. They're a secret army of mass vigilantes waging a war on the streets of the Capitol against Sadiq Khan's controversial ULIS expansion. terrorising the TFL by tearing down, vandalising and even stealing cameras using any means necessary. The so-called Blade Runners claim they're responsible for disabling and destroying hundreds of the new number plane recognition devices installed across London to make sure motorists abide by the new rules. Ben, seen here, is one of them.

A father of three in his 40s, he goes out in the dead of night several days a week, blouncing the law to carry out what he calls unpaid voluntary work. It all happens under two minutes. In this footage, obtained and enhanced by City News for clarity, a hooded figure arrives just before 2.30 in the morning with a stepladder and what appears to be a powerful saw. They climb up beside the Parkside speed camera, slice it off, and flee before a car whizzes by. Is this supposed to have sound? A little bit, yeah. there's no sound going on right now there's no sound was there sound on the last segment of it yeah where he's taking off the okay it was just quiet it's fine he didn't really need to hear that there was no it was just music audio it looks really fun yeah let's see if this laser can you hear this blue looks yes you can hear it okay when i shine it directly into the camera so you can see that before i shine it right in the camera you can see this black background here what happens when i shine the laser Let's see, it just starts to smoke in the background. Okay, so we're going to shine it directly into the camera.

Three, two, one. Here we go. Hold it a little steadier in there. Is he trying to damage the camera? Yeah. So look at the picture now. So it's getting, so you can still kind of see, but it's like grayed out now. Finished product is actually really scary. Not only is it invisible, but it's still blind in a fraction of a second. And that's why I wear laser goggles when I'm working with it. Now, so those of my viewers out there who are interested in experimenting around with lasers, a powerful IR laser should not be your first product. The focus laser looks really cool in the IR camera. And plus with the adjustable lens mount, I can focus the beam to a tiny spot so it can burn things.

A match of lights instantly when it's placed inside the focal point of the beam. Now, I can also cut through thin, dark plastic bits. Now, it's not like this thing is a powerful one. It definitely is. I mean, come on, it doesn't even reach the class for danger rating. I feel like I need something that's at least 100 times stronger. And now, unfortunately, a giant portable eye or death ray isn't just something I can go and buy online. So I guess this means I have to build one myself. Okay. So, this is my... If you haven't guessed it by now, maybe the cat's out of the bag. The plan is to build a laser rifle to destroy cameras. I am... totally serious here, it sounds, I think, absolutely ridiculous, and I'm being very serious. So I modeled that this is a model that I made, a 3D model of gathering a lot of the projected parts that I believe that will work and I will need. The finished product will definitely look different than this. But this is an example of probably about what it will look like. especially in concept.

And so the current plan for this project is to have a two watt infrared laser in it for some perspective on what, because two watt doesn't sound very powerful. This is the same type of laser and same power level of laser that is used in this specific ad campaign, which is a laser machine for um engraving metal um and it will actually cut uh wood and it could cut metal but it'd be really slow um but it it basically instantly burns uh an engraving into metal uh basically as fast as it can move and so now the video you saw the blue laser uh that laser is is multiple times weaker than this laser the laser he was holding i know that model specifically and i believe he said it was a it's a five watt blue laser and so but that laser is radically radically weaker and so it's to give you a little bit of technical details that blue laser he had is and the 450 nanometer wavelength and this infrared laser is in the invisible spectrum at 1095 nanometer And so the thing is, is the different wavelengths have different power requirements for the generation. So when we're moving over, we can get more power in the infrared, like multiples more power for the same amount than we would in the ultraviolet. And so his five watt ultraviolet laser is many, many, many multiples weaker than the two watt infrared laser.

And it would be. That same color laser, the equivalent power to the 2-watt infrared laser would be an 80-watt blue laser. So it's 40 times more powerful, basically. Or is that? No, 5. Whatever. 10, 15. I don't know. Wait, 3, 6. 16 times. 16 times more powerful. And so... Now, the goals of this of this weapon system is to my goal for it is that it instantly fries a camera sensor at 100 yards and is easily transportable and conceivable. And so and the goals for the distribution of this product, we want to put as many laser rifles because we're in the future now into as many people's hands as possible. And part of that is. we will sell complete laser rifles with appropriate eyewear safety equipment because this stuff will like literally blind anyone you pointed at instantly um which will also be an unadvertised perk uh it will be anyway use your imagination uh we'll also offer build yourself kits of some measure and then and furthermore this will be an open source project and so all the plans the models the will have built documentation um that are just free to download so that anyone can build their own laser rifle um or even build and sell them uh it will make it a a commercial non -attributed license so if someone can figure out how to make this thing cheaper and better then we're we're really excited about that I have no qualms about being put out of business for such a thing.

The goal is, as the first thing, put as many laser rifles into as many people's hands as possible. So this was originally going to be a secret project. But due to many of the things going on, which was the first part of this presentation, we decided that this needed to be the completely opposite of a secret project. how do we plan to manufacture this product so we'll we will use uh our company desert manufacturing and um we were going to 3d print this thing we'd be adding it to the other products in our catalog as like some of these things you hear well we don't make oatmeal but we make that we make that sign that tripod sign holder that that holds that oatmeal sign anyway we have some other products too and we have a bunch more that haven't been released yet we're just If anyone's an e-commerce guru with Amazon and stuff like that, please reach out to us. We need some help with that. Anyway, so we have manufacturing capabilities for this stuff.

And so the plan is we need to prove a concept because it is possible that my initial proposal for the equipment and everything really isn't powerful enough to do what I want it to do or it's too difficult to use. It's possible. I don't believe that's the case due to a number of reasons. But proof of concept will basically be like buying a six-pack of surveillance cameras off eBay for $30 and getting one of these lasers and not really putting it into a machine, but just... figuring out at several ranges what we're doing with this you know i have tons of equipment for modulating current and stuff and so for a small portion of what it takes to build the thing we can get the proof of concept down and then after that we got to do prototype and more testing once that's done we have to source the parts and and more specifically and find the availability for them make sure they're available in the quantities that we need from the suppliers And then with that, we have our finished product that we then test again because every time you do something different, you break it.

And then once all that is complete, then we'll be able to figure the product price and based on the necessary labor and the margins that we need to do that and, you know, the components that go into it. And so once that's done, then we need to have a marketing production plan. And so we'll make some cool media. get influencers to peddle our product hopefully for free some gun channels some freedom channels news channels stuff like that and hopefully it'll be for free yet because we can't we can't really afford to pay anyone and so and and hopefully part of the ability to get that for free is like you know this is a mission and this is an open source project and it would be great if you endorsed it by advertising for us and so and furthermore On that marketing campaign, we'll be capping sales probably to 200 units, but it could be less.

I don't think we'd do more than that. And so, because whenever you enter something in production in a larger scale, it is really when you find out where you've got all these production quirks that need to be worked out. That's been my experience with the various products that we've been manufacturing at quantity. And so part of this as well, you know, why could you, why should you believe that I can invent this? So my little resume, 17 years of automotive and electrical mechanical experience, owner of Turner's Auto Repair and an operator as a, considered by many as an expert in my field. So I'm also, I also worked for our dark Lord and Savior Satan in the Marine Corps. working for the New World Order. So I have lots of training and experience with small arms. I also have experience in modifying weapons.

So if any of you are familiar with the SKS, which is an old Russian weapon, I own one and this is what it looks like now. I modified it. It was quite difficult to accept AK-47 magazines. um i did make a video that eventually got stripped down from youtube about how to do it yourself um and also for the last two years spent i've been successfully designing and selling products um at our other company desert manufacturing um yeah and so like i said in the beginning if i don't get any donations i'm still gonna be doing this it's just gonna happen slower because i gotta pony up the dough myself um and so i i can't another reason you know if you donate a certain amount you know then and then we actually get this product successfully off the ground then and you want to buy one we'll definitely give you a significantly proportional discount maybe a free one uh whatever for whatever your your donation is but i i really can't promise i can't promise anything it's possible we'll do a bunch of this stuff and it totally is not going to be effective enough so i know that these things could definitely destroy cameras but the question is is how fast can it destroy cameras is really the question because if we had to sit there at 100 meters and have a laser beam pointed straight at it for 20 minutes you know that's not very feasible I mean, since it's an infrared beam, people won't see it with their naked eyes, so it'll still be nice and sneaky, but that's not really feasible. We need these camera sensors to get burned out real quick.

And so, you know, we need calibration equipment to get all the stuff aimed together. I could go over more of the technical details of the plan of this project, but I'll spare you some details. If you really want to know, you can ask me later. And so between calibration stuff that we need and equipment, and so we already have the production capabilities to make like the whole frame of this module um with our 3d printing with our print farm um and so uh outside of that basically the equipment safety equipment calibration equipment and and prototyping and proof of concept equipment we're looking at not not a whole lot between like two and three thousand dollars so which definitely means it's probably going to get up to five or six because that's how these things always work But and as of right now, I think that the retail price is going to be $1,300. But it's possible if we can get a whole bunch of orders that we can get more wholesale prices for the things we need.

And maybe we could drop these prices in the future or whatever. And so I don't really know. It's just an estimate. We have to build the thing to find out what it is. and so in addition i think it'd be pretty awesome to try to get this into like gun stores around the around all kinds of places that would be that would be pretty cool um anyway but and they're not licensed or anything so anyone could just go into a gun store and just buy this laser with cash and just walk away and that that's the end of it um anyway Yeah, so there's my sales pitch. There's our problem. And yeah, if you do want to donate to this, then you would be donating to Deseret Manufacturing, our LLC based in Wyoming.

Which is also really important that we have an LLC that this thing is sold under, so if somebody tries a whole bunch of legal issues on us, We've got a little bit more shelter there because this thing is, is in some ways like way more dangerous than a firearm because you won't be able to see the laser and it will basically instantly blind any eyeball that, that it pokes into. And so there'll be, there'll be safety stuff and whatnot. I'll try whatever I can to build stuff into it. That's, that's practical and effective. Anyway. Yeah. Any, any questions on this insane project? So we've got a couple of hands up. We'll go with Joyce first. The first and most important question is, is this video going to be broadcast to anyone besides members? I think it's a members only video. If you ask me, this is I'm going if I don't get enough donations here, which I don't I have no idea what people can help with. I mean, this is supposed to be a. like I said, this is not supposed to be a secret project.

It was originally, this was going to be a secret project and an idea I've had for a while. And so basically two weeks ago, I ran across some more, some more stuff about this flock and some other things. And I was like, and I knew they were doing some of this stuff, but I didn't really realize how big it was. So there's like two weeks. I'm like, Oh my gosh, I didn't know. Is that, and I'm like, The original idea was we were going to use air rifles. But I think going back to Joyce's comment is that so identifying. So I decided differently of those that are on the call. So we will have just Micah talking for anything that we put out there. Anybody on the call will not their identification will not be available. So if I thought that we could put this on Kickstarter and it wouldn't get taken down, which we all know it will, then I would do that. And so, yes, this is like, I'm trying to make this as public as possible. We'll make you think you can even sell it on Amazon. Take it down immediately.

Oh, no, we're not going to sell it on Amazon. Oh, I thought I heard you say that. Yeah, well, that's for some other stuff. Desert Manufacturer needs some help with our e -commerce game. For this, it would be on our website only type of a thing. Yeah, only on our website. Or other gun stores, websites, that kind of a thing. And when we start selling it, if we really do start getting orders, one of the first things I'm going to do is I'm going to get us a second to immediately switch it over. And so, you know, because if these guys catch wind of this stuff, I mean, we all know who they are, right? And so... Even though it's not illegal, of course, they're... Yeah, there are some some alleged. Well, I went through the through some federal laws about this stuff. And basically, the conspiracy says that in certain use cases of laser beams, the seller has to keep track of who the buyer is. We're not going to do that as much as we can. It'll be marketed as a self-defense.

As far as I can tell, there was no promises attached to it. And so, yeah, well, yeah, this will be, well, yeah, mostly, yeah. And so we're definitely not going to market it as, hey, make sure you blind everyone you can. That'll be implied by the safety warnings. Let's go to Mark's question. Then after Mark's question, we'll go to the comments. You're muted, Mark. An alternative to this, of course, is to get control of your local city councils and your county representatives. The majority of people like us. Actually, your idea of a devil's advocate, I suspect you've thought about this. It is illegal to destroy any government property. You don't have to have any other laws. Also, the Amazon is controlled by the conspiracy as much as our president is controlled by the conspiracy. The odds are... they won't even let you get this to sell it. They'll have laws to outlaw it before them. But if they don't, like we said, we're not going to put this on Amazon. This is not, this is not going to go on Amazon. We said that. Right. But if anybody uses it, of course, and they catch you now, if you, the longer farther away you are. the less chance they're going to catch you.

You're going to probably do some big time in prison. One reason is not just because you're damaging government property. It's because of the priority of surveillance. I can see a five-year, 10-year penalties for these things. Another thing, they have cameras everywhere. Eventually, if you're taking out these cameras with one of these, they take out 50, 60, or 70. Every time you take out more, the odds of you getting caught are going to go up. So, you know, I kind of lean towards getting our people educated and getting control of city councils. Of course, if the state can intervene, if they don't want the city councils to get rid of these cameras, they can tell the cities what to do. So we have to get control of our state government as well, our legislatures. Well, and as you travel from one city to another and one county to another, that negates all that. For some miracle, you got St. George to ban these things. You go to Washington City, or you travel up north, or if you're in Utah, if you're in Salt Lake County, you go and you have Lehigh bans them. You travel right next to there in American Fork, and you've got the same problem all over again.

This is all justice because this is a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment. A real quick point on that. In law enforcement, You can use probable cause if it's in a public setting. For example, somebody reports that you were robbed and was a one-armed bandit, and the police see a one-armed bandit walking down the street. You can stop and question. But if it's persons, housing, effects, you can't do it without a warrant. But this is clearly in that latter category, Fourth Amendment stuff. You make a good point, Ben, but we've got to start somewhere and then we've got to get your organization into all these different counties and cities. Let me address some points before we move on. The marketing campaign is strictly talking about self -defense weapon from drones and illegal surveillance. That's the marketing campaign. OK, and so as soon as we throw the word illegal in there, you can't say that we're trying to start a riot or whatever. I mean, they'll do whatever they do. Right.

But like and so on the books that that's what it says, like illegal surveillance, you know, take out the drone that's flying over you that that that is snooping on you that has no right to be there. Blah, blah, meow, meow. And so, you know, it's basically an implied and implied what you can use it for. And so that's what the marketing campaign is about. Second of all, you know, I'm not telling anyone to do take out flat cameras. And so I'm as responsible as someone who takes their Glock and shoot something that they're not supposed to with it. Right. I sold I sold the thing, but I didn't I didn't I didn't use it. And so and the third thing is that even just having this idea. out in space right and this is supposed to be an open source project you know like well i've got plans to make a laser rifle go ahead take it down i'll put it i'll just keep putting it up somewhere else and and we'll just play that game i guess you know and so it will it's it's something that can invigorate somebody with with a solution to take action because there's nothing there's nothing that's the else that's going to work and and the next point is is the conspiracy really okay here's here's there's two scenarios um because you're like well somebody