SODOMITE LATTER DAY SAINTS are MARRIED, Have callings, and are ACTIVE IN THE CHURCH!

Our own Ben McClintock was a guest on the Last Dispensation Podcast to talk about this topic.

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That video that talks about the girl, when Jacob Hansen put out that video at the beginning, there's a letter written to the prophet, or Elder Oaks, President Oaks, where she's like, "I'm getting confusing messages. I'm seeing this, but I'm seeing this. We're teaching same-sex attraction should be, you should abstain, yet we're celebrating people that get married." This church has some problems right now. This is nothing against Charlie Byrd or Ryan Clifford, nothing against them. I'm sure they're really nice people, really nice people. But when they are standing in front of the temple, the windshield wiper kept going back and forth on this.

Are they being pretentious and presumptuous? Or are they just trying to say, "Look, I can love Jesus Christ, be a Latter-day Saint. This is my church, but I should be accepted to the way that I am." Then the windshield wiper went back and went, "But are you saying that God has to change for you? Or do you change for God? Well, maybe God doesn't want me to change. Maybe you think God wants me to change." Then it goes back and forth. Ben, welcome back to the program. So glad to be back. Been so long. You're just putting out videos all the time. It's like we're just weeks or days without being together. Yeah. And chronic fatigue I think I'm experiencing for God telling me I need to change the way I eat. Well, when you get up there like we are, you've got to start eating better. Otherwise, things go bad. Okay. So you messaged me the other day. Kind of a follow-up to our last video.

Yeah. What your house is dry though, it looks like. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it is. Yeah, the flooding. It's raining like I've never, my whole life, I've never seen where the rain looks like somebody just, like God is pouring water out of a pitcher. Yeah. Yeah. It's nuts. It's nuts. Okay. So what do we have here? What's going on, man? So at the Washington DC temple, we have this, they're kind of a semi-famous amongst the Sunlight Mormons as a active couple in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And they posted a picture of themselves on Instagram and in front of the temple. And so the interesting as the Washington DC temple responded, "This is beautiful. Thank you for sharing your experience and touching testimony." And so, you know, that's, it's, I don't expect them to, you know, call them to repentance. That's, you know, but it's interesting that they've decided to respond either way. But beyond this comment, we have the fact that in their wards that they are an active couple in their ward and they both have callings and they're allowed to take the sacrament from those that are in the ward. And we have that picture from, that you can share as well, that shows their callings in their ward.

And you see that? And so they're both the ward activities chair. So they're co-chairs together in their ward and basically normalizing and putting as a leader and an example to the youth in the ward that this behavior is okay. And that it's, you know, it's not anything that would stop you from being worthy to serve in a calling. And- So they have callings. And can I tell you what was going through my mind this morning? Yeah. My wife and I were talking about this because I showed it to her. And I know you and I are probably not going to agree on everything. Sure.

But I'm going to tell you, I, I'm in your camp and I understand where you're coming from. Here's what starts going through my mind and probably a lot of other Latter-day Saints' mind. Yeah. Minds. First of all, it bothers the, what bothers me the most about change in the church. I'm not even calling this chain. All right. This does not equate to the 1978 revelation on the priest. Okay. However, what bothers me the most is the, the idea that someone like me, let's just say a Gen X-er raised a certain way in the church is expected to do a 180 at the age of 53 and just completely start accepting that everything I believed was bigotry. Does that make sense?

Yeah, no, I hear you. Yeah. Now that's, that's way over here. I mean, that's not way over here. That's right here. Okay. And let's compartmentalize that and just say that that is what it is. Then come over here. I'm driving home this morning. I'm watching the windshield wiper go back and forth, back, back, raining in California. And I'm going, it's like, the Lord is saying, here's, I'm giving you a parable. This is what your mind's doing, Troy. And this is what a lot of Latter-day Saints' minds are doing. We're going over here going, this is not eternal marriage or it's not there yet, but this is what, this is what they want. It's definitely what's being pushed.

Okay. And then the other side goes, you don't understand all things, Troy. And I go, I don't know if that's your voice, Lord, or if that's mine. Then I come back. It's like the windshield wiper going back and forth going, and then I'm, I'm standing with my wife in the kitchen and I'm going, okay, is there things that we don't understand? Or is this, is this ongoing revelation? And then my wife looks at me and go, so we're just to, where, where is, where, where are the women in their Godhood, their Godhead? If they create planets and worlds without ends someday, because that's what eternal marriage is, eternal marriage is for exaltation. Okay. Well, if you check out the church's recent gospel topic essay, that's not the official position anymore, but, but I'll go with you. I agree with you.

The gospel topic essays is no longer a primary source. They, they demoted that to not demoted it, but it is no longer a primary source. And that was, Oh, interesting. Cause I remember a while back, the general authorities were urging all members to read it. Right. But just about a month ago, it was, it was not, they put up something called topics in question. It's now it's, you just pray about it and you come to your own conclusion. So gotcha. It was right and wrong. Okay. I stand corrected. Thank you. That could be problematic too. So the, I believe, but I, I believe, okay. But, but you got to understand, I'm, I'm a believer in the brethren. I believe that they are being led and directed by heavenly father. And I believe this is an ongoing restoration. However, Andrea looks at me and she goes, where is, where is heavenly mother in their Godhead? In other words, if they're a married couple, what did their planets learn? Do they learn anything? How can they teach? Do you understand what I'm saying?

How can you procreate? Well, not just that we already know that. Okay. Well, you, you take, what are you building a planet for? If you have no children to put on it, you have aliens using test tube babies and planting them on planets, right? You have the little gray men and they go around from planet to planet through the universe and they, they plant Adam and Eve's everywhere. Right. Or Adam and Steve's. Right. Or Adam and Steve's. So here's the thing and not to get, I don't want to get, I don't want to, uh, insult. Okay. I don't want to go there. I'm not saying you are. Yeah. I'm just saying that that's just kind of getting down to the, the principle of the matter. That's not a thing.

Yeah. And it is. So my brain's going back and forth and it's called cognitive dissonance. And I'm looking at the windshield wiper. I'm looking at my wife and he just says in their marriage, where is, where is, where is the mother? Where's motherhood? Motherhood is missing. There is. And, and we're, we're always taught that fatherhood and motherhood are essential to raising children. Okay. So what did the top gospel topic as they say about that? Oh, it was just, it was basically, it was speculation and we don't believe in getting our own planet. Really? Yeah. Okay. So that was written by. It was off topic, but. I don't know. It was kind of demoted. If you ask me, it was. No, but so I was just going off on a tangent. I apologize.

No, no, that's a good tangent. That's a very good, relevant, relevant question. So anyway, you go back and forth. I can't remember all the things, but you go back and forth and then you just keep doing that. And it's cuckoo. Yeah. Where does that fit into some things are just true. Truth is truth. Anyway, go ahead. I think I've mentioned this before in, in the lectures on faith. The prophet Joseph says that we have, God cannot be changing. Otherwise we can't know if what we're doing is pleasing to him. If one minute it's saying it's, it leads to destruction and the minute and the next minute, it says that you can, you do it with happiness and return to your father in heaven. Then you don't know when you can please God because he is going to change at any moment. And so, you know, there, there has to be an eternal truth that does not change, but you have BYU professors that are saying, we need to redefine how we understand.

The proclamation on the family and that they are teaching the proclamation on the family does not condemn Sodom, Sodomite marriages or Sodomite relationships. It does not condemn transgenderism. It does not condemn things that the scriptures have called abominations and unnatural affection. And so you have people that are in positions of authority that are, you know, putting what we see here with Charlie and Ryan on the local level. And you have BYU professors teaching things that will affect the understandings and attitudes of the next generation. And we see, as I point out in my books, Invasion, how the culture changes to adopt towards what the enemy of, of liberty, the enemy of agency, uh, wants us to be. However, we're different from the world. How does it get us there? And so this is that next step, how this is how, you know, one of the, uh, things that we're different from the world and they're trying to get the culture to adopt and so that we can be shifted and merged and melded with the culture of the world.

Yeah. Yeah. Just like you were saying before about the Samuel, you know, and even the Book of Mormon talks about the people wanting a King, you know, and that's, that's exactly what's going on. So the question on the, this is the church's official website. Do Latter-day Saints believe that they will get their own planet? No, this idea is not taught in Latter-day Saint scripture, nor is it a doctrine of the church. This misunderstanding stems from speculative comments, unreflective, unscriptural doctrine. What is how to, what is becoming like our heavenly father mean? Heavenly father has worlds without end. I can only say what they're stating. I don't know the answer. I don't know what the official answer would be to that question. We don't want your answer, Ben. No, I don't really want you to answer the question, Ben.

Yeah, I don't think you do want me to answer the question. Frankly, that's a rhetorical question, Ben. No, Latter-day Saints believe that we are all sons and daughters of God and that all of us have potential to grow during, after this life, but it stops. No, it doesn't stop. The church does not and has never purported to fully understand the specifics of Christ's statement. Okay, well then stop saying that, that no, this idea, what, what is wrong with saying we have our own planet? You understand what I'm saying is- Well, that's the thing is, it's this, this overall arc of we don't want to look weird to the world. We want to make ourselves look like everybody else. And so they don't think we're weird. And we think if we, if they don't think we're weird, that they will want to join with us. And so we soften things that those of us that have been in special places learn certain things that might not be in our quad, but are clearly things that are eternal truths, whether they are officially canonized doctrines or not.

Okay. What does this say? Latter-day Saints believe that God, do Latter-day Saints believe they can become gods? Latter-day Saints believe that God wants us to become like him. But this teaching is often misrepresented by those who caricature the faith. You know, I, I am tired. This is, you know, they call white guilt. You've heard of white guilt, right? Yeah. There's also Mormon guilt. Absolutely. This is a prime example. Okay. I'm tired of Latter-day Saint guilt. And that's what that is. The Latter-day Saint belief is no, and brothers and sisters, I'm not putting the church down. I'm talking about people that write this stuff. A lot of these people I feel are not in my camp. I'm sorry. I wasn't raised like this. There's one thing to have an ongoing restoration, but there's another thing that just keep changing things according to what the world is teaching. Right. Because this sounds like

we're looking for the wind for the pole of opinion on things, you know, not no doctrine is just doctrine. The Latter-day Saint belief is no different than the biblical teaching, which states the spirit itself, beareth witness with our spirit that we are the children of God. And if children, then heirs, heirs of God and joiners with Christ, if so be that we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified together through following Christ teachings. Latter-day Saints believe all people can become partakers of the divine nature. So what are you saying? See, this is this to me, and I said it in the other video, we emphasize Christ a lot in our doctrine today, which we should, he is the atonement, right? And he's our bro, but he's our brother. 50 years ago, we, we pointed to heavenly father a lot more. Jesus Christ pointed to his father. Joseph Smith talked about the father. Okay. And the savior, but now this seems almost like a terrestrial kingdom mindset.

Like we can be joint heirs, but we'll never reach what God has.

Matt Stauffer (00:33:40): I remember somebody else wanting all the glory for themselves, but the savior said all glory to the father.

Tim Laskins (00:33:44): Right. And that is a terrestrial mindset.

Matt Stauffer (00:33:49): Yeah.

Tim Laskins (00:33:50): No, we do not believe this. Really?

Matt Stauffer (00:33:53): So with those kinds of changes, if you're not going to get your own planet, if you're not going to become a God, if you're not going to become like God, meaning that you are going to be able to do the same things that he did, why did you come here? What is the point of eternal progression is a side question. And that maybe people will want to give their thoughts in the comments, but then it opens up the door for what we showed in the beginning of this episode of saying, well, what's the problem? Because you don't need a man and a woman to do what those things describe. And so if we're not going to be like our heavenly parents, then there is no need to follow the pattern of our heavenly parents.

And we can open up the door for what we're seeing all over the place.

Matt Stauffer (00:34:22): Well, and also, Latter-day Saints retain a deep reverence for the God given procreative and bonding powers of human sexual intimacy and remain committed to a higher standard in the use of those procreative, meaning creating children. Studies suggest that Latter-day Saints place an exceptionally high priority on marriage and parenthood.

Jason Cullinane: Which is also going away because in the state of Utah, we have less. We have lower than the amount of children being born that can even match the current population. So we're not even replacing ourselves as members of the church. Whereas when I was a kid, my family of four children was a relatively small family. We had families with 12 kids and there was four children in my family and that was on the relatively small side. Whereas today, four children in a household are pretty dang big. In all the words in my area, that's a pretty good sized family. And so we're not even following as a people that principle.

Tim Johnson: We're confusing. That video that talks about the girl, when Jacob Hanson put out that video at the beginning, there's a letter written to the prophet or Elder Oaks, President Oaks, where she's like, "I'm getting confusing messages. I'm seeing this, but I'm seeing this. We're teaching same sex attraction should be, you should abstain. Yet we're celebrating people that get married." This church has some problems right now. Because no, this is nothing against Charlie Byrd or Ryan Clifford, nothing against them. I'm sure they're really nice people, really nice people. But when they are standing in front of the temple, the windshield wiper kept going back and forth on this. Are they being pretentious and presumptuous or are they just trying to say, "Look, I can love Jesus Christ, be a Latter-day Saint. This is my church, but I should be accepted to the way that I am." Then the windshield wiper went back and went, "But are you saying that God has to change for you or do you change for God? Well, maybe God doesn't want me to change. Maybe you think God wants me to change." Then it goes back and forth.

There's a cognitive diffidence. No wonder you got two camps leaving church, Ben. I'm sorry.

Matt Stauffer: You're good.

Tim Huffman: I didn't mean to cut you off. Let me just say, I'm sorry to Ben. I didn't mean to cut him off.

Matt Stauffer: No, I was going to cut you off, so please go ahead.

Tim Huffman: No, there's two camps leaving. One is the church isn't woke enough. The other is the church is too woke or the church is just confusing. It's confusing now. Who is the author of confusion?

Matt Stauffer: Absolutely. So I was just kind of addressing a couple of the things that you had brought up about love. We have a completely and utterly false lie, counterfeit of what love is in the world. Love in the world today is acceptance of whatever you are, whatever you're doing.

The Lord himself said there's our love towards him. What does he say? "If you love me, keep my commandments." I, the Lord, well, it's in the doctrine of covenants as well as in the New Testament. Basically, I just Googled it real quick. So the Lord says, "I rebuke and I punish those that I love." So he corrects us. That's his way to show his love for us. Our way to show our love for him is he says, "To keep my commandments." So we need to get a scriptural definition of love in our minds. Otherwise, we're going to fall for the lie of acceptance is love. Acceptance of evil is love and it is not. That is the satanic counterfeit of love.

Matt Stauffer: And then where does brotherly camaraderie go? Where does brotherly love come in?

Matt Stauffer: Well, I think that goes to Doctrine and Covenants section 20, where the Lord says that it is a teacher's duty to ensure that there is no iniquity in the church. And so it is our job to point out these things because we have a duty to make sure that the church is pure. And so that is a brotherly love to call someone to repentance and to, "Are we our brother's keeper?" Right? As Kane said, "Yeah, we are. We are our brother's keeper and we need to help them return to the Lord by repenting and coming to the Lord." You come to the Lord by repenting, not what Joseph Smith...

You know, when Joseph Smith went to the Lord, he says, "Their lips, they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me." So just because they say, "Lord, Lord," does not mean the Lord's going to say, "You said, 'Lord, Lord,' but I never knew you." How do we show that we love the Lord? How do we show that we know the Lord? By obeying his commandments. There's just no ifs, ands, or buts about it. And then you get into your statement about confusion. The Lord said that, "By your fruits you shall know them." By their fruits you shall know them. Not by their words. And so it's confusion when we say, "Their words are this, their actions are this," because we're not doing what the Lord said. The Lord... Because when you have... It's a politician, right? A politician says, "I'm going to do X, Y, and Z. I'm going to protect your freedom. I'm going to do this." And then they get elected and they don't do any of those things. That's something, you know, because people get confused because they are naive and they trust people's words. But we are told not to trust their words. We are told to trust fruits. And so the actions are what we're seeing and what we're showing in these different videos that we've done recently is the actions are they allow baptisms. They allow them to take the sacrament. They allow them to have word callings. They allow them... They promote... They have them in bishoprics. That's the action. That's the fruit that we are seeing no matter what the words are. Yeah. No matter what the words are. And 2 Timothy 4, verse 3 through 4, "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine."

Yeah. Oh, gosh, I hate the revised... I like the King James version. Me too. Please stop it already. Let's just change everything. "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lust shall they heap to themselves teachers having itching ears, and they shall turn away their ears from the truth and shall be turned unto fables." But this one more importantly, this one more importantly, man. Oh, my gosh. This one right here. Nobody reads the King James Bible anymore. For such... That outside of just a few, you have Mormonism and you've got some a few other stragglers, but yeah, most of them adopted the New Age translations. 2 Corinthians chapter 11, 13 through 15, "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore, it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works." I'm saying even the very elect shall be deceived, right? Even the very elect.

Will be... There's a pernicious lie going on right now that's being spread in different circles that we are just to let things go. That we have no... We're just here to attend church and to not worry about what's going on. And there... I mentioned Doctrine and Covenant section 20, where it says it's our job, it's a priesthood duty to ensure there's no inequity in the church. So we just need to go back to the scriptures. What do the scriptures say? We have Doctrine and Covenant section 64, starting in verse 38, says, "For it shall come to pass that the inhabitants of Zion shall judge all things pertaining to Zion. And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them. And they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known. And even the bishop who is a judge and his counselors, if they are not faithful in their stewardship, shall be condemned, and others shall be planted in their stead." And so we have, again, the scriptures are very clear on that principle.

And then we have Brigham Young teaching, explaining very clearly another very important principle along these lines, where he said, this is in Journal Discourses, volume 2, page 176, "If sin exists in high places, so much the more need of rebuking it. For from thence it will do the most harm." And so this idea that we're not supposed to just like, we're just supposed to ignore these things, and that if we talk about them and we want to make sure there's no iniquity in the church, that we're somehow steadying the arc. No, that is a complete twisting of the scriptures. We have modern revelation that says the exact opposite, that we have a job to stand up for what's right and to call out evil when we see it. Amen. Anything else, Ben? That's all I got. Thank you so much, brother. Thank you. I don't have the answers. I'm sorry. I don't have the answers.

I didn't mean to- Hear me? Tip well or to silence the conversation, but I thought those were important principles to bring out. Confuse me? No, I'm joking. Keep us informed on this topic, please. Will do. And we're going to discuss more other topics, you and I. Oh, absolutely. We got lots of things to talk about. Brigham Young coming up soon. All right. Thank you, brother. Thanks. Bye.