Transcript of training:
Yes. Oh, sorry to get you while you’re away Pamela. Is that work for you? You’re muted Even though I was muted.
I heard you. I was good over at the kitchen sink. So Okay our heavenly father as we gather tonight for this tree of Liberty Society meeting we pray especially for We’re banned to be able to share his ideas with us and that this will be something that that we will be able to utilize and to share with others and help enlighten people who Who are struggling in the dark and don’t know which direction to go?
We’re so grateful heavenly father for people like Ben who are trying to Find the truth and to be able to spread it We ask thee that all those who are participating will have their hearts open to the message tonight and that we’ll be able to continue on that we’re glad that Ben is feeling better and We pray for the health of all those who are listening and also pray for our be our abilities to Be able to share and
uplift others and we say this in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen Thank you. All righty, Carmen The tree of Liberty Society minutes for last week Monday,
October 30th, 2023 The opening prayer was offered by Alan Arthur Ramon gave the spiritual thought And he talked about a good thing can become a bad thing We need to keep balance mentally physically and always disciplining ourselves with the teachings of Jesus every minute and Ben Uh,
let’s see. Okay. So then Ben spoke about the Wednesday book club memo the memoirs of Jacobism and Samantha Hollister gave the training for that day last Monday the title being synagogue of Satan and The topic tonight was who exactly is Israel how it came to be be.
The book Synagogue of Satan is written by Andrew Hitchcock, talks about the history and foundations of Israel, and how the history started in 740 AD,
talked about the Magna Carta, how that figured into that, why the Jews were exiled for many countries and 33 tribes were done to expel them from many countries between 1012 and 1891,
talked about how in 1649 the Jews were allowed to re -enter England, bringing with them Kabbalism. Sam offered about the circles in the symbols,
“Lism of Kabbalism,” that they represent God. Ben encouraged us to read the creature from Jekyll Island,
which will add significantly to this book that Samantha was teaching from. She talked about how in 1744,
Mayor Bauer, he designed the red hexagram and translates into 666, which is the number of the beast, drew plans,
the Rothschild drew plans for the Illuminati. There’s wicked and righteous people in all plate. There is wickedness and righteousness in all people.
There is a big attempt to forget history. Rothschild created the state of Israel. The only righteous are God’s covenant people.
You must discern who the real enemies are, not be manipulated. Samantha talked about how she was just trying to serve God as a regular person,
and she doesn’t make any blanket judgments. And she stated, “Gave the scripture by their fruits,
you shall know them.” She said the synagogue of Satan book is important. Ben commented that the book is banned on Amazon to look on eBay, and to download a PDF for free.
The closing prayer was offered by Bill Johnson. Okay, thank you Carmen. What’s Pamela’s last name again?
Alan. Thank you. Yep. Okay, any comments, questions, complaints? Okay,
if you didn’t get a chance to watch it, I encourage you to go. Well, I haven’t put it up yet because we lost power last week for about 20 minutes. And so I’m going to be putting on last week’s training.
I’m going to go through it. I’m going to just splice the two pieces together that I have, the two files, and then just kind of put a little note that says 20 minutes of this meeting were cut off on accident.
But at least you’ll be able to have what we have, and we’ll put up the full PowerPoint. so at least you have the quotes that she used in full. So that will be on the member portal this coming week in addition to this one.
So that’s just kind of the update for last week’s and the issues we had with power. It was weird. What was it? Two days ago, Moses? Three days ago? It was just Saturday.
So we had power go out again for like even longer this time. It was like like two or three hours or something crazy. So hopefully it doesn’t happen again. Announcements.
So I mentioned last week that one of our members, Jay, who isn’t on the call yet, but he’s on the call every week, got us onto a program,
a podcast that he’s got on YouTube and Rumble called The Last Dispensation and he invited me on to be on his show last week. And the show aired, I think it was Thursday or Friday.
And he liked how it turned out for him. And we had a good response from it. In fact, it was really good. It was better than even more than being on any radio show that we’ve been on had a much bigger response in adding not only growth in membership,
but growth in our email alert subscriptions or text alerts, subscriptions to getting notifications of the new things that we do, and also more distribution of the books.
And so I was pleased with that as well. It’s always good to be able to get our information out to more people. And so he was so pleased with the response of the show that he’s invited me to be regular.
So we’re going to be recording every first Friday of the month, which means the program will go up probably the following Monday, whatever that is.
It’s the first or second Monday. And so just as an FYI, we’ll be on that every month. If you had a chance to watch the interview,
it’d be interesting to get your thoughts on it. I always like to hear how we can do things better or what we did right so we can make sure and do that more. That’s great news.
Great news. Yeah, thank you, Pam. Yeah. So yeah, so when you see us do something right, I want to always do more right. So let us know that. And then this Friday,
we have our boot camp again, we’ll be covering boot camp number three, which is the covering the Council of 15, the Kingdom of God. And so because it is,
it’s recorded. And so I think that’s why because we’ve gotten a lot of people watching it afterwards. And so if you can come on live, it’s great because then you can ask questions, you can comment, you can be a part of it.
But if you can’t, we will have it on the, I’m not really worried about that. It’s just making it so we’re scheduled to have it recorded every, you know, every other week. And so that way soon we’ll have the whole thing on the member portal,
on the website, and the new, what’s it called, boot camp section of the website that we’ll have up there for individuals to be able to go through that.
So I encourage you to join us, 7pm Mountain Time Friday night, we’ll be going over that class. And I’m hoping in December,
just to give you a heads up, so probably about six weeks away. It’s not finalized yet, but Dr. Joe Wolverton is going to be in Utah. And I want to pull together a speaking event for him while he’s here.
Only problem is, is he’s not even going to be able to tell me what day he’s going to be here until around December 6. And so it’s going to be when, if it happens,
it’ll be very short notice. But I think it’s worth it because he’s worth seeing and hearing and being in person with any presentation that he gives. So kind of keep your ear to the ground.
I understand December is a busy month. And so, you know, if people, if we’re just not allowed, we’re not able to get the word out to folks. If it’s just me and Joe chatting,
we’ll have something, we’ll have something going on for dinner. I’ll be there. If you won’t be alone, I’ll be there with you.
Okay. Hopefully it’s more than an hour notice. He’s like, okay, I’ll be there in an hour. Hopefully it’s better than that. Give me two hours notice. I’ll be there. Being in the southern end of the state,
it takes a little longer to get there. Yeah. And, and so stay tuned for that and maybe some other announcements. I’m hoping there’s some other announcements on that on a similar front along those lines.
Just kind of keep your eye out on that one. Okay. Okay. Need some water. Okay.
Hey, Ben. Yeah. Could you tell us something about Joe? I’m not familiar with that name. Joe, Dr. Joe Wolverton. Yeah. So I’ve had him on our show a couple of times. He did the forward for the volume two.
He has been a writer for the New American magazine for at least 20 years. I’m trying to think. He used to teach at American Heritage in Arizona.
And he has written books called the one book is called the real James Madison. He has another book called what degree of madness talking about nullification and returning the power to the states and he has another one called the founders recipe,
which is another great book that goes into like just looking at what did the founding fathers, you know, what were people that they looked to what was what were the things that the founding fathers put together to do what they did.
So that’s a really good book that he did and then he was just made recently the head of the John Birch Society’s Constitution think tank that they just formed so just a little bit background on Joe Overton.
Wow, that’s great and be right here in Utah. I will hope that I can make that. Yeah, absolutely. And in the meantime, encourage everyone here to check out his podcast either listening to it on whatever your favorite podcast platform is or on YouTube.
It’s Teacher of Liberty. So that’s the podcast encourage you to do that. I really enjoy it whenever it comes on.
Moses, my son also enjoys it and he listens to it. Is that with the John Birch Society website or is no that’s his own thing that he does on his own on the side.
Okay. So Jay, I don’t know if I told you this and I just saw you pump on jump on the podcast, the last sensation podcast is having me on once a month now.
So thank you Jay for arranging that that interview. Glad it worked out man. Anything that spread the word man. Thank you appreciate it.
Alrighty, so let’s unless anybody has any questions or comments for anything we’ve covered so far. Okay, let’s let’s go ahead and get started so what you know what I did I goof up that I might get this prepped.
See here. Oh, I did. Wonderful. Okay. It’s almost like I know what I’m doing. We’re not.
We’re not good. Don’t don’t don’t be fooled by that nonsense. Okay, there we go. Okay. Okay. So we can do this. So this is something that I’ve talked about kind of in the abstract before and that if you’ve learned,
you know, if you’ve read or you watched videos about the Bolvarian Illuminati talked about how the conspiracy is levels within levels. So I guess before we get started again,
though, I’m getting ahead of myself. Speaking of ahead of myself, I’m being covered. My head is being covered, which probably everybody’s grateful for. Yeah, just a little bit that way.
I mean, no, turn it this way. No, this way. The other way. Just a smidge more.
Okay, right there. Right there. Now you can see behind the curtain and see here is move me. No, that doesn’t help things. You know what I’m gonna do is I’m gonna yeah,
move me over there. And I’m gonna not that far this way. Never go right there. There we go. Okay, we’ll do that. Okay. Is the levels within levels,
but what does that mean the levels within levels? I think that’s so encourage if you’ve got a question or a comment put in the meeting chat we’ve got there on the right hand side of your zoom screen. But with the levels within levels,
something that I have not seen covered myself. And so I thought it would be beneficial is to go into just a little bit. We don’t have time of as I was going through this and collecting everything for each level of what that means,
what the background is, what they understand, how they’re brought into it. This would probably be something we needed to do more parts in, you know, this a multi part series on this.
But I felt it was good just to get started and we can have discussion. And I think as we look at the levels, you’d be like, oh my goodness, right? This is like, wow, okay, you can start to see, you know, how these levels have their influence and what individuals are either a part of or have influenced by these different levels of the conspiracy.
And so I’m just going to give you some background what what what the conspiracy isn’t right is sometimes when we say the conspiracy, it gives us impression where we’re saying the low low level thugs on the street,
the Antifa guys are a part of the same meetings as the guys going to the Bohemian Grove. That’s not the case at all, right? They are the people on the street,
most of them have no idea that they’re getting orders from the people that they are thinking that they’re fighting. They’re thinking they’re fighting the big globalist corporations,
but in fact, they’re actually getting their orders from these corporations. And so we see that on the city council level, you do have amongst the street level thugs,
the people that do have the connections that know that what the other marchers, the other protesters don’t know, the same thing in city councils. You have people that are influenced in doing the conspiracy’s bidding without knowing it,
like the thugs. But then you’ll have a few people on the city council that are a part of another level, a higher level, where they’re getting their orders and they are getting those things.
They are a part of those higher levels. Same thing with Congress. And then you have those folks that are, you know, Bohemian Grove. I’m not saying the Bohemian Grove is the top, but it’s amongst the top. And so when we say the conspiracy,
we want to make sure that we’re understanding that that’s, you know, we’re not saying that every person that is a part of the conspiracy even, even if they are conspirators, they don’t know about other levels of the conspiracy.
And it’s important for us to understand that. So that way we can be more accurate in how we help people understand the conspiracy, because you kind of look stupid and you lose credibility.
If you do say that, you know, your low level communist is on the same level as David Rockefeller. It’s just nothing. They’re part of the same conspiracy,
but David Rockefeller knows that the Antifa folks are a part of the same conspiracy that he’s a part of, but the people in Antifa don’t know that David Rockefeller is a part of the same thing that they’re a part of.
And so the stream of knowledge is one direction. Going down, you know everyone that’s below you, but you don’t know if you’re in the lower levels that there are things going on above you.
Does that make sense? Any thoughts, comments, questions on that? Feel free to unmute yourself if you do. So no,
no, Becky, I didn’t, sorry. And we’re getting ahead of it, so maybe we won’t go into that. But if anybody has any comments on this, let me know. Okay,
so what we see here is really compartmentalization, right? It’s a cell system where a lot of the different parts of the conspiracy don’t know about the other parts.
You you’ve got the people that they’re just in charge of making the tail, or they’re just in charge of making the left wing, or they’re just in charge of making the right wheel, you know? Or they’re just in charge of making the fuselage.
They have an idea that there’s a plane being built, maybe, depending on what part of it you’re building, maybe the people building the wheel don’t know what the wheel is going to or whatnot, but they don’t know what the plane is being used for.
They don’t know what maybe what kind of plane maybe, or they don’t know, you know, who the plane is being made for, they just know, I’m in charge of making this wing. And that’s essential for them to be able to protect the greater conspiracy is,
is this compartmentalization where you only know about the part of the conspiracy that you’re a part of. And so that that way they are able to keep it a secret, you know, a lot of times people will say that there’s no way that they could keep it a secret.
Well, a they haven’t kept it a secret because there are people that have admitted to what they’re doing, like David Rockefeller has said that he is,
you know, part of the conspiracy working to against the best interest of the United States. This is an example, but more people being involved in the conspiracy,
you know, they need to have that compartmentalization to be able to keep it on the download and have less people, less chances of the word getting out of what’s really going on.
And so we see that cell system within the conspiracy itself, where you have, like I mentioned before, the street level communist,
you have your local government and business folks you have, you know, just because the Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce is a, you know, a major tentacle of the conspiracy doesn’t mean that every single company that’s a member of the Salt Lake Chamber knows what’s going on with the elite in the Chamber of Commerce.
The same thing with your local government. And then, and then you have business and government and academia on the national level, as well as state and national levels. And then you have the dedicated Satanists that who,
and there are dedicated Satanists in all of these levels as well. But so you’ll have these people in all the levels, but you won’t have these people, all of these people in the above levels, right? So that’s really the dedicated Satanists are the people that are recognizing what the big picture is and directing things and understanding that what they’re serving is Satan.
And so even if you’re the lower levels of the conspiracy, a lot of them don’t even know that. And we’re going to go and show that even within the Illuminati structure that we know that that the top people in the Illuminati are Satanists,
but in certain levels of the Illuminati organization, they still say that, oh, we’re defending Christianity. We’re defending good morals. And so even if they’re a part of the Illuminati organization,
they don’t even realize, you know, what’s going on at the higher levels. And so, you know, starting at the bottom, we look at what a lot of people think of,
you know, had heard Vladimir Lenin talk about the useful idiots. And, you know, the idea is real, but Lenin never said that. But the idea of basically there are people that don’t,
that are kind of getting the work done for them, that don’t realize what they’re doing. They’re idiots. And so what this actually comes from is actually from a different individual.
There’s this guy right here, Bogdan Rud, I don’t know how to pronounce his name, but he was a Yugoslavian official, and he wrote about Redtista.
It’s a foreign name. He says in the Serbo -Croatian language, the Communists have a phrase for true Democrats who consent to collaborate with them for the sake of democracy.
It is called “Krisny Budel” or “Useful Innocence.” This would be the English translation to that. Useful idiots, useful innocence. People that don’t know what’s going on,
they’re just being used by those that are involved in the higher levels of the conspiracy. You can see this happen on a lot of levels,
not just the street level thugs, but you see this happening in government. You see this happening in business. A lot of people were, you know, the conspiracy organized the Stay Safe to Stay Open campaign during the fake pandemic was used,
was organized by the conspiracy, but useful idiots or useful innocence were used to get the message out to more individuals.
And so we look at the conspiracy of these different levels of the conspiracy of at the top you have the Illuminatus and then the Regent and the Presbyter,
the Rex, Magnus, Magus, and then Minerval being your basic entry level individual. And so has anybody ever gone through and looked at what all of these different levels mean and what it is that they know and what it is that they’re,
you know, that they’re privy to? Has anybody looked into that? Those the different things? So I’m going to get that one more. So it was asked the question was asked,
where did I get this from? And I’ll answer that in a second. Go ahead. Sorry. What was that? I just started looking at that this week. I found a good website that just lists all these organizations and how they’re tied and everything like that.
I just started like last Thursday. And it’s multiple pages long and multiple videos. There’s over two dozen videos. And I’m just starting to work my way through them.
I’m blown away by some of the information I’ve been finding. Anybody else? I’ve never seen these broke down like this. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah, neither have I. And so I’d heard these, I’d seen it listed like this, but I’m going to break it down even more what it means. I mean, what, what each of those, what does it mean?
Right? So these are all literally Illuminati levels. So if you’re a Minerval, you’re in the Illuminati. And you don’t even know about Rex or Regent or Illuminatus, but you’re in the Illuminati and you don’t even know about that.
And so, so where did we get this list of the organization within the organization? It was the warnings from and through things that,
you know, the Founding Fathers knew about. George Washington, he had somebody, George G. W. Snyder, who was a pastor, wrote to George Washington. He says, “It was sometimes since that book fell into my hands entitled ‘Proofs of a Conspiracy’ by John Robison,” talked about that book a lot in training,
“which gives the full account of a society of Freemasons that distinguishes itself by the name of Illuminati, whose plan is to overturn all government and all religion, even natural,
and who endeavor to eradicate every idea of a supreme being and distinguish man from beast by his shape only.” Okay, so that right there,
so this is a guy writing to George Washington, wanting him to read this book and to understand what’s, what’s going on, what he did. But I think it’s very interesting,
and we can see this happening right now, to this day, distinguishing, right, the eradication of God, the eradication of an idea of a supreme being, is what the conspiracy is working towards.
And we see so many people that are either pushing that idea because they are a part of this, or because they’re influenced by it, they’ve been fooled by them into believing that idea. And the other part, right, distinguish man from beast by his shape only,
meaning that, that man and ape are the same thing, we’re just evolved differently. Or, and so, you know, we’re, the only difference between a human and a dog is,
you know, just our opposable thumbs. And so in places like San Francisco, they’ve passed laws where you’re no longer a pet owner, you’re a pet guardian. And so you have to treat a dog or a cat the same as you would a child.
And so we see the extreme, you know, application of this idea that was warned about in 1798.
And so George Washington wrote back to GW Snyder, he says that he, I’ve heard much of the nefarious and dangerous plan and doctrines of the Illuminati, but never saw the book until you were until you were pleased to send it to me.
And so I was like, I didn’t know about the book until you sent it to me. But I knew about the Illuminati before I read the book. And and what their their evil, dangerous nefarious plans were.
So today you talk to your average person that maybe even considers them to be patriotic. They poo poo, a lot of them will say, Well,
I don’t know about this conspiracy stuff. I don’t know about the Illuminati. They don’t even realize even though they’ve probably been to a lot of constitution courses that the founding fathers knew about the Illuminati and warned about it.
And in fact, you know, George Washington himself said, No one is more fully satisfied of the fact the doctrines of the print of the Illuminati and principles of Jacobinism has spread in the United States than I am.
So he’s like, Yeah, I’m you don’t have to convince me there’s nobody more convinced than I am that the Jacobins and the Illuminati are here and engaged in their dangerous and evil work.
And so in fact, as should be George Washington used the terms Jacobinism and Illuminati interchangeably, it was the same thing, he knew what that was the same thing,
which brings us to the reminder of the book club next Wednesday, we’re going to be covering the memoirs illustrating the history of Jacobinism. And we’re going to be covering. And so if you didn’t know that the not only is the PDF of the book on the book club website,
but the link to listen to the book club in the book itself. So you can just listen to it, you don’t have to be just, you know, kind of commit to reading it, you can listen to the book.
It’s a very long book. And so it’s going to be broken broken off into about eight four hour sections so yeah eight four hour sections long book but it gets into this as well so where did we get this information from we have it from the proofs of the conspiracy by John Robison and we have it from memoirs of the history of Jacobinism that we’re going to be covering in the book club encourage everyone to come along
even if you don’t have time to read it and then John Adams as well he said he wrote in a letter to his wife Abigail that to destroy and undermine religion has been the chief engine in the accomplishment of this mighty revolution of the Illuminati you must read a work lately published called proofs of a conspiracy against all the religions and governments of Europe by John Robison so we see here two really common
themes is that they understood about this conspiracy and the organizations involved in this conspiracy and not only that but they worked to help others know about it they got the book and they they they they spread the book around they gave copies of the book to their friends and they made sure that others knew about this book and and read it they used their influence in their positions as patriots as those that were
leaders in the war for independence and presidents early presidents of the of the United States and so it’s something that we can learn from as well the importance of using books such as invasion and to be able to help people understand the conspiracy that we face by making sure that we’re sharing it the audiobook it’s free on the on the website right now or buying copies and and sharing it physical copies with with
those around us very important to follow the example of of these men in helping to bring people to understand that so that’s the example that we can follow and it’s the the origin of where we learned about that so So where did these books get that information?
Prusa the conspiracy. I’m not sure yet on the origins of the memoirs of the history of Jacobinism, but the origins of Prusa the conspiracy, specifically on the Illuminati,
is from one of the Illuminati couriers being struck by lightning and their papers being discovered. And so in the book, Prusa the conspiracy, just large swaths of the papers,
the documents that were recovered from this guy being struck by lightning, are quoted from. And so you have some of it where he’s putting a story together based on it,
but he also has just huge chunks of it that are just literal quotes from the book that he just, I mean, from the papers that he just copies and, you know, copies and pastes, or whatever you do,
and, you know, you don’t copy and paste in 1790. But that idea of being able to just kind of, you know, transfer that information over, they just cut it out and pasting it to the book.
And so that’s where we get that information. It’s not just, you know, Ben just pulling stuff out of his rear. And so we have here where we have the Minerval level. It is in the lodges of free masons that the Minervals are found and they and there they are prepared for illumination.
And so they’re using the masons. So some people will say that not understanding this, will say that the masons are at the top of the pyramid.
But here we learn from the Illuminati themselves that it is from masons that they recruit from, right? That’s at the lowest level of the Illuminati.
They get their members. They one of the places that they recruit from is from the Masonic lodges where they then can prepare them for the next level. Let me go back.
So any comments, thoughts on here? I don’t know. I had a thought Ben. Yeah please. I don’t know if you’re gonna get into that but so yeah,
recruitment like that’s a huge part right? People that are already interested in certain foundational principles and also it’s great cover. So I don’t know if you get into that as well like yeah you will obviously because you’re talking about levels within levels but it’s a way to kind of have a front safe front face while you meet with these people and then when you recruit then you can go deeper with certain
individuals. So I’m sure you’ll get into all that good stuff. Not not as much as I’d like to so I’m glad you brought it up because this is like a multi -part thing that we’re gonna have to do to be able to get into a lot of that stuff even.
Yeah there’s so much to it. Yeah. So and as a oh go ahead somebody else have a comment before I move on. Okay I thought I saw so many pop up.
So I want to get into so when they become a Minerval they they have an oath that they go and and and this is what I’m talking about too I mentioned a little bit earlier that makes it look like where even at the lower levels that if if they don’t know what’s going on they’re going to think oh this is normal this is almost okay because of what the the oath says.
It says INN so like basically I hereby bind myself by mine honor and good name for swearing all mental reservation never to reveal by hint word writing or in any manner whatever even to my most trusted friend anything that shall now be said or done to me respecting my wish for reception and this whether my reception shall follow or not.
So he’s like you know even if I become accepted into the Illuminati I promise you know everything that that’s going on now I’m going to keep to myself. Are you sorry can I So following on it says I being previously assured that it shall contain nothing contrary to religion the state nor good manners manners.” And so,
they’re being taught right there. They’re taking note. They’re saying that they believe as they enter into the Illuminati. The Illuminati has nothing against religion. They have nothing against Christianity.
They have nothing against the current state and morality. The good manners is what they’re getting at with their moralities,
what they’re talking about with good manners. So, they’re like, “Yeah, we’re at the utmost morality. We believe in the state as it is constituted.” And of course,
religion is important and a key part of that. “And I promise that I shall make no intelligible extract from any papers which shall be shown me now or during my novice science.” All this I swear as I am.
Navitiate. All this I swear as I am and as I hope to continue a man of honor. Anything, what sticks out to you as you see this oath that they took to enter the Illuminati?
The oath itself is contradictory. Okay, so Micah says the oath itself is contradictory. How? Because it ends by saying that you’re taking this oath because you’re a man of honor and you will be a man of honor among us.
But in the previous section, it says, “I shall reveal nothing that happened to me or that I see here.” Which, if you’re a man of honor,
those are kind of things that you shouldn’t have to worry about so much, especially when it’s something that happened to you. You’re a man of honor.
Anything that happened to you. Why is it secret? I think there are things that you don’t want to laugh at the world. I don’t know if secret itself is bad. Yeah,
but maybe I’m just putting my lens on here. To me, it’s basically setting the stage for just being quiet,
no matter what. Right. And I just. Yeah, the no matter what is the kind of the key part, probably. Yeah. And that’s the. Hey, Ben. Yeah, something secret,
but not no matter what. Right. Yeah, Carmen. Are there? Okay, I’m looking at the last words, a man of honor. Do they have women in those?
They do. Do not. Do not. Oh, how interesting. That might have changed, you know, kind of like Skull and Bones allowed women in the 90s.
So, you know, they’re probably all trans. They’re probably all trans. Right. So, so, you know, that kind of, so in those groups, they have allowed women since, you know,
the 1700s. But as of this moment of it being quoted in the 1790s, no. Anything else?
Nor good matters. Right. Well, the religion, right? Because we know, just from the, from what Thomas, from what George Washington and John Adams said, that it’s against religion, that their goals are to destroy religion.
And so, the fact that they’re lying to their own initiates, because they know that if they told them the truth about it, that they would go against it, kind of tells us a lot as well.
I think that’s pretty revealing. And so, a lot of times even, you know, they’re just going to sell them on the, they’re going to say, well, those aren’t Christianity. That’s not religion.
Our, our worship, that’s religion. That’s, that’s what they’ll morph it into. Well, we’re getting ahead of ourselves. So, so I think it’s interesting that they, that they,
that they use manipulation in beginning. So all is material, God and the world are the same thing and all religion, whatever, is without foundation and the contrivance of ambition.
So this isn’t in the oath. This is one of their statements is to get to a higher level at the Magnus level. So, okay, that’s, yeah, so that we go to Minerval, but then you go to Magnus and you’re taught that all is material.
God and the world are the same thing. Magus, sorry. And all religion, whatever, is without foundation and the contrivance of ambitious men. So they’ve already gone from what they recruited you on to getting you from,
you know, to accept when you go to the next level that, yeah, you know, religion itself is just ambitious men working to control you.
So they’ve already started to change what you believed or what, you know, what they’re trying to get you moved on to the next level by changing what they recruited you off of.
And then we go to Rex, what they start teaching every peasant citizen and householder is a sovereign, as in the patriarchal state, and that nations must be brought back to that state by whatever means are conducible,
peaceably, if it can be done, but if not, then by force, for all subordination must vanish from the face of the earth. What sticks out to you there?
What are some thoughts? Anybody? They’re trying to basically say that we are sovereign,
and then they will change that to say nobody else is worthy of being a sovereign. Well, I don’t know. The only logical conclusion is because you have to remove the authority from God.
God. So first to say, oh, the religion is good, all good manners. And then they’re like, well, the world is religion. And then they move into, this is the third,
right? – Yeah. – And then they move into we are all our own sovereigns. We are kings. We ourselves are kings. And this all needs to be known that we are kings.
And then they will say, the other people that aren’t kings, let’s gotta be next. What else would be next? – What else could possibly be next? Anybody else, any other thoughts? – I think it’s one of those steps that,
you know, that you hear with Schwab and all these guys that, and some people like Biden and stuff that are on board with bringing down America to be like everywhere else in the world,
you know, you got to get rid of the land of the liberty and to where people are empowered with their rights and get it to that state to where,
in essence, the state or those in power have it over us, whether it’s peacefully or by force though, they’re going to get their power over us.
– I don’t like Rex. – I think it’s interesting,
right? How each level is attacking the things that they swore to at the first level, right? The one Magnus is attacking is kind of undoing the religion part of it.
Then Rex is going after the government part of it. You know, all these governments are bad and and is moving towards there. What they’re doing is they’re they’re destroying to build up Compartmentalized so the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand’s doing,
but they’re all working in concert Exactly. Can we just with these three levels that we’ve seen so far how I want to get your thoughts and and your observations of where would you see?
How do we see this an application today? Maybe what are individuals or groups that you can say? Okay, that would be the You know the first level and then you know all this this guy over here That’s sort of this organization or this movement is this and then Any thoughts on those lines?
Well, I guess if we’re putting like maybe for example this level the Rex level just since it’s on the screen still You know the agenda 21 gender 2030 crowd,
you know You know, that’s see the CFR the world economic forum all these all these groups that the UN that wants to you know past laws mandate things that we all conform to all around the world without You know that this takes our own right.
It’s liberties a way to make us You know You know subjects under under their their idea of what’s good. Yeah How about with the the previous one with the mineral I might be way off on this But it hits me like it’s a lot of the maggots.
Sorry These crowds that you see that are being funded to cause havoc The funds the crowds yeah to cause the trouble atheists.
Yeah Yeah, just a lot of those kind of people people Would you put like in those things like even some of the higher -level things like the ADL and the Southern Poverty Law Center and all these all these Weird groups that you know go after certain good things of society yeah and and and tend to divide and always are you know trying to cause Vulcan and volcanization and division amongst us and just fighting amongst
ourselves and We almost kind of tear apart. They they they cattle. They’re like a catalyst to it then the people Buy into it, and then the people do it. I don’t I don’t know how to you know describe it better than that Yeah I can hear you Be like atheists,
sodomites, and I would put Like New Age Christianity in this exact Where you’d have the leaders of those Groups would be subscribing to the mages attitude Yeah Yeah I don’t know first one just be people there.
Yes You’re almost your usability. It’s a little bit the first one. That’s the first yeah the first people the first So it’s interesting how we can start to see these things in application in real life Then we have the presbyter Man is suffering because of religion and government.
So we’re we’re going to the next level, right? And so we’re you know you start off saying oh,
yeah, religion’s great So we’re not satanists and then you start to get up here and three just you know three four levels up and all of a sudden It’s a completely different story This can only be overcome by pure reason. So this is where the enlightenment came from Yeah.
Dispense with all political leaders. You know, a lot of us can probably sympathize with that part of it. But I mean, not really, like the current political leaders, but we recognize that,
you know, God gave us government for it to protect our rights. This can only be done by secret societies. So they admit this. They’re like, “Yeah, we can only get rid of political leaders. We can only get rid of religion by these secret organizations.
We can’t do this out in the open.” We’re exposing ourselves. Whoever spreads general illumination augments mutual security.
Illumination and security make princes unnecessary. And so they’re talking about spreading,
right? People need to spread and we need to get the end. We need to bring people along to this mindset. And so when we bring more people along, they’re saying that it makes, when we bring more people,
right, illumination and others, illumination and security makes princes unnecessary. So more people understanding brings about security and those things together makes just government unnecessary.
They’re saying. Yeah, they’re advocating for anarchy. Right. Advocating for anarchy. Like it says. Yeah. They’re like, these are all like levels of destruction as well as many thoughts as you read this one.
And maybe specific, maybe modern examples or thoughts that this would apply to. No thoughts.
This is just like, you just can see them breaking down there. They just really expose them as the liars. liars They are from the very beginning and how they worked through each level to manipulate you into that and we can see I think this one you see this a lot with Anti -religion the atheist crowd as well as the see this a lot in the libertarianism Who’s that I can’t remember his name that that local lawyer guy
who’s like selling land Oh, you’re talking about Phil pot. Yeah, how does this remind you of this is like exactly Phil pot It’s like oh,
everything’s bad. We need to build our own community and we’re all just Yeah, but We don’t the difference are in us stops at the last segment where we would say In all of those areas.
Yeah, but like in a general if you just if you didn’t view it through the lens of these guys are pure evil Right, if you just like look at there, we would replace the last section of that with the kingdom of God Basically,
okay, and a very in a very strict sense Very strict and and I would and I would augment the word religion up there This it’s wrong to just put that in there Say it’s Satanist taking over religion as opposed to religion in the problem and then I wouldn’t even say government I’d just be like crime syndicate Because that’s what the government is really it’s a crime man of suffering because of a crime syndicate That has
infested many things including many religions And I would say yeah, and that well, but then this can only be come up your reason. I don’t agree with that either Right, I can remind but the next one.
Yeah, I’m on I’m on board. I’m totally on board current you say current current Well, could you I mean, could you see that me where? religion and governments are put down,
you know, the secret society, the UN, where it’s not elected, it’s just a point of people and it’s just, you know, you’ve got that weird chapel thing inside the UN that has their own little cult.
I don’t know, just different groups. I mean, one of the, I mean, I would almost consider them almost like a secret society in some of the way they work and – Who’s that?
And – I missed what you said at the beginning, Jay. Well, I just, I would just say something like, you know, how, you know, you could tear down governments and religion and pop it up with like the UN.
I don’t consider the UN a government. You know, it’s, it fit more like a, almost like a secret society thing because – But it replaces government and religion. So yeah, I agree with you.
Yeah. It does both. I mean, no one’s elected. Everybody’s just kind of appointed and, you know, I don’t, I don’t know. Just, yeah,
they’re in a weird sphere. Right. So my, my two cents on this, I can’t see the screen really well on my tiny phone,
unfortunately. Should I just make a full screen? I don’t know about full screen. If you can make it bigger, that would be awesome. Anyway, I’m getting old and my eyesight’s going. But I think it’s part of the process of breaking,
breaking people down to destroy their values, especially if they’re Christian and based on like, you know, a theocracy or monarchy, this idea of a righteous king,
right? Throw out all that because that’s one of the things they did was to destroy all these monarchies across the world, right? And then replace them with something worse. And then you replace that with something worse.
And then so, so it’s all steps towards, yeah, destruction. I think like what Micah was saying, however, in the process, it’s appealing to your pride, right? You make men your own God,
you don’t need God, you don’t need religion, you don’t need these structures. You have the reason inside of you, the wisdom inside of you. So it’s just really appealing to people’s carnal,
prideful nature. And then, and then that will set them up for the next step, right? To, to move up in that echelon because because people that see that and want to thrive in that and lead in that kind of system,
you know, they’ll pull them up if you get that concept. But it really is to kind of strip people away from their core beliefs.
If you are religious and you do believe in God and in these organized structures, and they’re going to replace that with their own because obviously,
dispense with all political leaders, that’s a big crock. We all know that it’s all leading to an anti -Christ and leaders, you know, satanic leaders. So it’s just,
it is fascinating how they break this down. It’s all a lie. And yeah, it’s all a lie, right? Just like from the very beginning, it was a lie. Even this one’s a lie, even though there are several steps in,
they’re still lying to their members. Yeah, but they’re appealing to them. They’re doing a really sophisticated way to appeal to your, and I imagine the types that do move up are very,
very prideful and they like having knowledge above and beyond other, the cattle, you know, the dumb masses. So this works because it’s like,
oh, I now I understand more. Oh, it’s not what I thought. It’s better and, and, you know, just, just very, very sinister at its core.
Masses, masses. So, and then the candidate is asked, may it not be more advisable to do away with these corruptions bit by bit in silence and for this purpose to propagate these solitary,
salutary and heart -consoling doctrines and secret? And so encourage you, if you haven’t read or listened to the audiobook version of Proofs of Conspiracy Go Through, because there’s a lot more than I’m able to have time,
but just like Samantha pointed out, there’s a sophisticated way in which they bring people along from each level to the next. And it’s these types of questions that do that. And so we have here,
“The power is not so secure as in the hands of our members whom we train up.” Let me go back, and so now we move up to regent, right? So this is like the second to the top.
This power is not so secure. So they get the presbyter, getting them into, “Hey, these things got to be done in secret. We got to these here societies.” And then we go to regent, “This power is not so secure as in the hands of our members whom we train up with so much care and place about princes after mature deliberation and choice.
If any government can be harmless, which is erected by man, surely it must be ours, which is founded on morality, foresight, talents, liberty, and virtue.” So they got,
they started off supporting government, and then they get into how all governments are evil, and we got to get rid of it to now, “Well, yeah, we’re going to replace them with our government,
and our government’s founded on morality, foresight, talents, liberty, and virtue.” And so they’re still going to use words that you’re like,
“Well, we’re in favor of morality. I’m in favor.” Or should we be members of the Illuminati because we’re in favor of liberty and morality and virtue? Again, we can see that the pattern that they’ve got here is their liars,
first of all, and their morality. This is their Samantha’s presentation that she did several months ago, where she was talking about how they invert everything, where Satan is God,
and good is bad, and bad is good. This is what they’re getting into as they get into the reaching level, is Satanism and their counterfeit. It says,
“We must allow the underlings to imagine, but without telling them the truth,” so they admit that they lie to those underneath them, “that we direct all the Freemason lodges, and even all the other orders,
and that the greatest monarchs are under our guidance, which indeed is here and there in the case. So they’re like, yeah, it’s sometimes true. We control a lot, maybe a lot of them lodges in the 1700s.
And yeah, we’ve got a lot of monarchs under our control, but we wanna make them think that all of them are under our control. And there’s a lot of reasons what they would do that. And I think it would be a disservice to continue on to just and speed through this.
It wouldn’t be helpful, I think. So what I’m gonna do now is I’m gonna stop because we are out of time. And we’ll cover this again in more detail. We’ll finish it up and I’ll be able to bring in more stuff that will be in part two.
We’ll make, you know, this part one was too long. So we’ll have part two for this next week. I hope it’s been helpful and beneficial to help us better understand how these levels within levels work and how even the conspirators are lied to to be brought up to these levels.
But of course they’re lied to by people. And that there are people that understand that they’re lying to those underneath them. And that those underneath them that are being lied to are lying to those underneath them.
So it perpetuates this thing of creating these. And so it helps to cover for their crimes and that people don’t, they can say things that makes it sound like that they’re not a part of the conspiracy when they really are.
So we can continue discussion a little bit more. We won’t get into the specifics that I cover in later on in the presentation and next week, but we’ll answer questions, further discussion in the open forum, as well as anything else that you guys want to bring up.
But we’ll go ahead and close for the official meeting tonight and bring that up and we’ll have a closing prayer.
And I’m going to ask, who am I going to ask to give the closing prayer? Bob, I mean, not Bob, I asked you, Bob, a lot to do that. So I’m going to ask Samuel to say the prayer of course.
Thank you. And we’ll dig in for Carmen’s minutes. – Our Father in heaven, we are grateful to have been able to gather here to receive these instructions and enlightenment.
It is with the hope that our minds have been enlightened. We’d be able to receive this instruction to further us in the knowledge and understanding of the workings of this world and of sighting to prepare and to qualify us to be useful in the hands of the our Father,
in thy service and in building up thy kingdom and in overthrowing the powers of darkness. We ask for thy protection and blessings since to be upon each one of us,
as well as thy saints and people who are seeking to do what’s right. We ask it in the name of thy son, Jesus Christ, amen. – Amen.
