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Our father in heaven as we gather tonight meet together.
We’re grateful for each other’s friendship and for the Things that we share things that we desire. We are grateful for the support we receive from each other and the The things that Ben presents we pray to have thy spirit with us We pray that he could be touched to recall the things that he would like to say tonight,
and that we could feel directed to act upon the things that are true. And we are grateful for our Savior, and we say this in his name, even Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Thank you.
Take it away, Carmen. Yeah. yeah, I,
I don’t understand why it, oh, okay. All right. Tree of Liberty Society minutes for Monday,
February 5, 2024, the opening for was offered by Ben Clinton, McClendon. Ben said there’ll be a. 100 to 200 people at the Constitution party convention in April 26 and 27 at the airport in Salt Lake,
or near the airport in Salt Lake. Talk about the new book, Killing No Murder, fooling people that they have the power to remove the tyrant,
designed to distract us, wants to get people’s out. out to the people. Alan Arthur talked about that people in the 1700s,
the literacy was 95 to 100 % why about illiterate? – No,
literacy, like people could read very well. well during that time. Oh, that’s what I thought. Yeah. And Ben said that now it’s dumbed down. He talked about boot camp. It was finished live on website.
The courses, or he said on the website, the courses are free and encouraged to spread the links. Training for that night was religious freedoms. One freedom can limit all.
all. The First Amendment says you can make zero laws governing practice of religion. You manage not by force or violence. It’s the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance towards all.
Congress cannot make laws regarding religion. The Bill of Rights are prohibitions on government, not people. talked about some of the by the name of our Bartolo,
calling people of a religion a race, a completely different race that doesn’t have rights of free men. So it wasn’t some rando.
It was it was a guy that was a US Army doctor that was writing an official report to the US Senate. Right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
– Any random person can make a claim, but the reason why I brought it up was because the person was of a position and it was being presented to. – He talked about W.
Ebertz, who prohibited Mormons from immigrating to the U .S. and thereby prohibiting the free exercise of religion in the U .T. Edmund Tucker Act applied only in Utah.
In the 1880s, religious books were banned from the school. The Column Struggle Bill of 1889 disenfranchised the Mormons. In that same year,
T .J. Anderson denied citizenship to foreign Mormons and to against preventing the free exercise of religion. In 1903, Chuck Schumer,
I’m trying to think of the word, championed the Religious Freedom Restoration Act even though the First Amendment had not been repealed.
Downwind Oaks, a Mormon leader, said government must limit your rights. West Virginia passed a religious freedom bill. Micah asked,
oh, okay, this is going back. Okay, after that then, there was an attack on religion in the state and federal code and this was not an accident. Ben said the government wouldn’t listen.
listen, can’t go to church or stick to the rights. They could eventually or they would eventually say,
what age you could be baptized or named to the priesthood, individual exercising of our faith under the New World Order. If you go against the interests of the state,
then you can’t exercise your rights to the purpose of the U .N. interests. Utah and Idaho limit religious freedom.
The solution is to nullify for the 10th Amendment. Individual rights are under. So sorry, I don’t mean to interrupt, but specifically in their state constitutions,
I would say there’s probably every state limits it in some way, but I was specific. specific in their constitutions. And I did not put that in. That’s something that needs to go in. Okay.
Montana implements the death penalty for the violation of free exercise of religion. Federal fundamental rights are under attack under the guise of protecting us.
After that, he been opened up to to questions and comments. Eleanor Arthur said he was upset with each folks that the religious rights aren’t there and the church won’t stand for it.
Or they must compromise or the church won’t stand up for it. Becky said he does this and then fights the sodomite rights. That they have to rent.
that people must rent or hire sodomites, rent to or hire sodomites, then said that we want the ability to gather with those of like mind that we’re helping people to understand.
Bobby said, how will you enforce your rights if you don’t know what they are? Working to get right people involved. Joyce Mitchell commented and said, talk to that guy.
out of a cult. Ben quoted about that a man condensed against his will is of the same opinion still.
Francie Gwynne said we have to stand up for truth no matter what. Ben said we’re working to use the force of government. They are working to use the force of government to silence people.
The closing prayer was offered by Pamela Allen. I mean, unmute. Thank you very much. Anybody have any,
any additional corrections or comments? Questions? Okay, if none, we will have those stand as officials.
Thank you very much as always Carmen. Oh You are so welcome All right, I am I didn’t write down who gave the opening for ham and Clinch There yes,
ma ‘am Okay I am now ready, Ben. Go for it. Hey, sounds good. And that I got a message today that you from the delivery service that you got your books today.
Hopefully you got those. And if you have any problems, let me know. Just letting see here, we want to start doing the in person meetings again.
again And so I wanted to here on the Wasatch Front will broadcast them for those of you outside as well But wanted to get your input thoughts ideas on preferences,
I guess any preferences of Days like is there a day of the week you’re like man If we had more presentations on this day That would be really awesome for me and the people that I’d like to invite You So I don’t know if anybody wants to shout out some days now or feel free to put them in the chat or send me an email or a text.
And we wanna make things as accommodating as possible. It’s impossible to fit everybody’s schedule, of course, but if there’s something that everybody just loves,
we’ve been doing on Friday nights. If everybody just loves that, that’s great. If there’s another night that’s even better, better I’d love to hear it and we’ll be doing uh getting that stuff done and I want to I’m looking at a place that actually provides food and so I thought you know food’s always a good place to a good thing to bring people together and so that’s something that uh I’m considering right now and
looking into I don’t know if anybody has anything they’d like to any nights they they think are just fantastic right now or okay for events yeah Thursday Fridays and Saturdays are usually the Saturdays a little bit rougher Thursdays and Fridays are the most common so if anybody has any again any preferences keep everybody in the loop on that and I don’t think Friday is good good.
Okay, let’s go ahead and nothing else. I’m trying to make sure I don’t forget any more announcements. Just encourage everybody, of course, always get the books,
get those around. Oh, if you have a group of people that you would like to have me present to, we really want to do more of that.
of these boot camps or specific classes. If you have an organization or if you just in your home, you’ve got some folks that you think would be interested in these things, I would love to, you know,
if you’re within, A, if you’re within a reasonable driving distance, I’d love to do it. If you’re outside of a reasonable driving distance from where I’m headquartered, then we got two options you can pull together with some folks to.
to help cover costs for me to come out to wherever you’re at and I’d love to do it in person or We can do it over zoom and so those are some options as well.
That way we can do some more, you know if With with the with the live presentations that we would do like at an event We’ll broadcast over zoom, but there’s not much of interaction with people that aren’t there live but if it was like a Zoom thing,
where you had it set up like in your living room and it was just to, you know, a couple, you know, handful, a couple dozen people, then you can still have the interaction even if it’s not in person.
So I wanna put that out there, an invitation to encourage you to start to pull that together. In addition to what we’re doing with putting the presentations with a script so that you can start giving him yourselves as well.
But we just really need to be able to get out to more people and give these presentations to more, help build the understanding on one side and the other side, help to grow the organization.
We need to be able to continuously grow. And so one thing I’d like to, that I’ve mentioned before is that all new members of course are getting the book,
“Kill No Murder.” And if you as a longtime member would, you know, a copy yourself, please reach out to me. I’ll make sure and get that out to you. But also just if you are able to help somebody that you know,
a friend, a family member and you work with them to bring them on, I’d like to give you a thank you gift, something like something from either a book or something from the store, but definitely want to work with you and encourage you and give you thank yous.
gifts, if you’re able to help work on bringing people into the organization. So I wanted to put that out there as well. And as was mentioned in the minutes, we have here at the Tree of Liberty Society dot com slash learn.
We have our six online classes for the boot camp, and you people can take them at their own pace. And it’s it is a little bit different than what we have done in person.
We’re out. the online version we have each class has like a follow -up, you know, what are just kind of asking questions to make sure that the people feel like they,
you know, they’re comfortable enough that they feel like they want to be able to move on. So that’s on there. Anybody have any questions so far of the invitation that I put out?
Okay. Well, let’s go ahead and get started. I wanna talk about some uncomfortable truths today. This is, you know, a lot of us, we’ve been trained in certain things,
especially this year being an election year. There are lots of things and I talk about, you know, why we don’t do certain things a lot. And so I wanna reiterate the whys. I wanna get into detail on the whys tonight.
[BLANK _AUDIO] so I because the more we understand the whys, the better we’ll be able to stick to correct principles and correct actions.
And that’s that’s the important thing is to really stick to the things that work and that are effective. And, but the things that work and are effective are not the things that are talked about.
And so we need to understand these uncomfortable truths to be. be, to understand why those things that are effective are effective. And why the things are not effective are not effective.
So the first thing is, you know, hopefully, you know, this is pretty clear, but we’re gonna bring it out again is we are governed by not, you know, not just bad guys, people that we disagree with,
not we don’t have, these aren’t like political differences. We’re being governed by literal Satanists on one level or not. another and we if we don’t understand that then we’re going to be in trouble.
Wise or wise. Oh, W. H. Y. Allen. Thank you. And so, you know, these aren’t these again, like we’ve said before, these things aren’t happening on accident is happening by design and the people that are involved in this know what they’re doing.
They don’t just need to be, you know, further educated on what’s wrong with what’s going on. They know. And they’re distracting you by pretending to be stupid.
Next thing. Oh. So that reminds me right here. So this is this little picture right here that I just came up is from a friend of mine. He’s a friend of mine. He’s a friend of mine. He’s a friend of mine. He’s mine. He’s a friend of mine. He’s a friend of mine. He’s a friend of mine. He’s a friend He’s a friend of mine. He’s a friend of mine. He’s a friend of mine. He’s a friend of from the video that was
just published this week If you haven’t checked out the most recent video that we published on the website encourage you to do so talking about that And we have you know, woolen sheath clothing our enemies are pretending to be our friends they they say the things that we that they think we want to hear and They get excited about the things they think that we should be excited about But this uncomfortable truth is that
the American of 1789 is is dead. The Constitution of 1789 is dead. America, as we think of it, doesn’t exist and hasn’t existed for 180 years.
When we when all of the different solutions out there are based on the idea that a were not governed by a conspiracy of Satanists and be that there is a semblance of What we think of when we think of America that still exists And we think you know when people think of the you know liberty and the Constitution in America You know,
we we had this discussion when I had the training about the Pledge of Allegiance and You had people that were saying well, you know that might be what the author of the Pledge thought,
but when I think of the Pledge, I think of XYZ.” And it’s those things that we think about, right? That brings us into nostalgia. The love, our patriotism, our love of country is because of the principles of the Founding Fathers and the principles of the Declaration and the principles of the Constitution.
But it’s a band -aid that needs to be ripped off is just the Fathers. fact that what we think of doesn’t exist and It hasn’t existed for a very very long time and that’s an important thing for us to understand when we’re talking about the solutions and So just I want to kind of just give some examples of Of that to be able to really help us to have that uncomfortable truth sink in because I think it’s hard for us
it doesn’t it’s hard for it to sink in for a lot of different reasons we it hurts us because we we want it to be there and we want it to be a fairly relatively easy fix you know within certain you know parameters understanding that it takes hard work but we want it to be something different than it is because then we have to change our paradigm but let’s look at what the what the the federalists you know in the
Federalist 14, the Federalists were the papers that were written in defense of the Constitution to get the states to ratify the Constitution. So the powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined.
It is to be remembered that the general government is not to be charged with the whole power of making and administering laws. It is to be remembered that the federal government is to be remembered is limited to certain enumerated objects.
This is what we’re for, right? This is the Constitution that we think of. This is the government’s, this is the limits to government that we would like and that we support. And this is what we think of when we have that nostalgic feel,
when we want to, we say we want to restore and we, you know, the Constitution. when people say that and people say they want to bring things back to correct principles. This is what we’re talking about.
But the reality is, is what Congressman Pete Stark said. And he wasn’t upset about it. He was bragging about it. He said in this country, the federal government can do pretty much whatever it wants to.
So it’s a complete turning on its head of what the founding father said it’s limited. It’s power. are few and defined where our current elected officials are saying that the government can do whatever it wants.
There is no limit. If they can just get enough votes for it, it’s there. It’s theirs. And you have former presidents saying things like to stop throwing the Constitutionist face.
When I’m talking about the Patriot Act and how it’s unconstitutional, it’s like it’s just a GD piece of paper. paper. The powers that shouldn’t be don’t care about the Constitution.
It’s just a piece of paper to them. They don’t have any allegiance to it. They don’t think about the limits that it places upon them. Their only thoughts is doing whatever they want to do to put limits on you,
not to accept the law.” limits that have been put on them. We look at Article 1, Section 8, Clause 11 and 12 of the Constitution.
It says the Congress shall have power to declare war, to grant letters of mark and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water. But no appropriation of money to that use shall be for for a longer term than two years Let me go back.
Whoops So we have here only Congress is Given the power to declare war so we go back to the previous point,
right? The Constitution gives limited powers to the government. This is one of those limited powers And if the people in government don’t care about the limits to powers we see here here that the power to declare war is only within the Congress and that they’re only allowed to appropriate funds for that for no longer than two years.
They don’t want a perpetual war. They don’t want perpetual military power and they only want a body of people to be able to use the military because they had just left England where the ability to be able to spread,
you know, the military all over the world was within one man, and they knew that that was dangerous. And so now we compare that to today and we ask the question,
when was the last time Congress declared war? Only Congress is allowed to declare war. When’s the last time they did that? I know we talked about before, but does anybody remember anybody know when the last time that we declared that Congress declared war?
war? In the United States? Anybody? World War II. World War II.
Pearl Harbor. Well, after Pearl Harbor. But yes, it was World War II. So we have the exact date was in 1942,
Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania. Romania. Congress declared war on them during World War II. And so what that means is all of the wars since then have all been new world order wars.
The Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Gulf War, Afghanistan, you know, just the list goes on. Anything that we’re doing in Ukraine right now, you know, the stuff that was going on in Bosnia,
all those different… wars were all unconstitutional wars and wars that built the new that were building the New World Order. They were all done under the authorization of the UN Charter and the UN General Assembly,
not the Congress of the United States. And so we’re not following that part of it. The Satanists are not following their limits to the power.
James Madison at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 said a standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be saved companions to liberty.
The means of defense against foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans. Romans It was a standing maxim to excite a war whenever a revolt was apprehended Throughout all Europe the armies kept up under the pretext of defending have enslaved the people So an army that a standing army an army that is always up and ready is not some of the founding fathers wanted and That it was
always the means under the guise of defending the people, it was always the means of enslaving the people. Now,
do we have a standing army today? I think it’s clear that we do. It is, we have a perpetual army that is not only on the federal level, but on the local level.
We did training on that. I encourage everybody to check out. But… But with the founding fathers meant by standing army, we have at every single level. And but I just want to show what we have on the federal level.
These are the US military bases that are all times have troops, US troops stationed at. I, you know,
I was just looking it up kind of, I was like, I knew that we had a standing army, but I wanted to see today as I was putting this together where where we have our troops at all times Well, where do we have a base not just like are we as a temporary station?
Where do we have a base and I was shocked at all the places that we have permanent military bases at Maybe some of you are less shocked than I was but I was you know as bad as I knew that it was I was like holy cow So we’re violating that clause that said that,
yeah, we’re using it, they’re using it to build tyranny at home. Now we look at article six, clause two, treaties and appointments. The Constitution and the laws of the United States, which shall be made in pursuance thereof,
and all treaties made, or which shall be made under the authority of the United States, shall be the support law of land. So treaties had to be made in pursuance of the Constitution,
meaning according to the limits of the Constitution. And so,
but, you know, is that the case that’s going on now? Is it in pursuance thereof? Thomas Jefferson said, I say the same as the opinion of those who consider the grant up to the treaty making power as boundless.
If it is, then we have no constitution. So if the ability to make a treaty is not within the limits of the Constitution itself,
then we have no constitution. The Constitution doesn’t exist. And that’s what I’ve been saying, right tonight. So we have the. NAFTA tribunals just as an example of one treaty that is even if you don’t call it a treaty,
it doesn’t matter. It’s the effect is the same, right? If it talks like a duck and it walks like a duck, then it’s a duck. The New York Times admits that NAFTA has a jurisprudence,
meaning a court system above US courts. The law professor at Georgetown says that NAFTA is the biggest threat to the United States. States judicial independence that no one has heard of and even fewer people understand.
And then a Hofstra University law professor says that you have an international tribunal essentially reviewing American court judgments. And then you have the California Supreme Court Justice,
Chief Justice, says it’s rather shocking that the highest courts of the state and federal government could have their judgment circumvented by these tribunals. tribunals. That is not in pursuance of the Constitution.
You have an outside international body that is overruling our Constitution. It is not in pursuance thereof, and therefore, according to Thomas Jefferson,
we have no Constitution. Continuing on, Robert Pasteur. Pastor from the Council on Formulations and under the Carter administration said NAFTA was merely the first draft of an economic constitution for North America.
So yeah, he’s saying essentially that, yes, just like Thomas Jefferson said, we do not have a constitution because this is the first draft of a new constitution under the United Nations.
Good old Henry Kissinger said, it will represent the most creative step toward a new world order taken by any group of countries since the end of the Cold War.
It’s not a conventional trade agreement, but the architecture of a new international system. And it was expanded under this started under George Bush,
senior, continued on under, of course, Bush, I mean, Clinton, and then under the Trump administration was expanded to be even more of a new international system,
a new constitution for North America. And so if we are to trust what what Thomas Jefferson said about the constitution, this alone,
he says, means we have no more constitution, doesn’t exist. It’s on paper, just for show. that the politicians can bring out just to give lip service to because we all think that they are adhering to it when they don’t care.
The next point we have here, Thomas Jefferson says, the opinion which gives, we go to the judiciary, the opinion which gives the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not,
not only for themselves in their own sphere of action, but for the legislature and executive also in their spheres would make the judiciary a despotic branch,
a despotism, a tyranny. But you talk to anybody today. And they will all tell you that, yes, when the Supreme Court decides something is constitutional or not constitutional.
constitutional, that’s it, that’s now the law of the land supposedly. And so just on just the basic general premise, the general thought process of your average person out there,
based on that alone, the judiciary is a despotic branch. But let’s go, what does the Supreme Court themselves say about their powers? Go to the Supreme Court website.
It says that that equal justice under the law, these words written above the main entrance of the Supreme Court building express the ultimate responsibility of the Supreme Court of the United States. The court is the highest tribunal in the nation for all cases and controversies as the final arbiter of the law.
So they’re calling themselves the final arbiter of the law, which Thomas Jefferson said made them a despotism. The court is charged with ensuring the American people the promised promise of equal justice, more lip service.
They’re saying that the final arbiter continuing on when the Supreme Court rules on a constitutional issue, that judgment is virtually final. A decision can be altered only by the rarely used procedure of constitutional amendment or a new ruling of the court.
So they’re saying themselves that they are the definition of a despotism. despotism. They get to decide. And the only way to change that is by changing the Constitution or the court decides to reverse themselves.
They are the final arbiters of what is constitutional, according to them. Again, Thomas Jefferson says what that that makes them a despotism. And then elections we know are a farce.
We have here from 2020. the programmer demonstrates vote manipulation. People say, well, okay, you know, and then, but this goes back not just to 2020, 10 years before that in 2010,
you had a computer programmer testifying before on election fraud and how easy it was to be able to manipulate the voting machines. In 2012, the BBC said,
will your vote count this time? Basically admitting that your vote didn’t count this time. the past? So is it going to count this time? And then we have here in 2020,
the Attorney General of Texas talks about the rigging of elections. Of course, they make it about Republican versus Democrat, but it’s the same thing. It’s the same beast.
And so, right, we need to understand the American and the Constitution. of 1789 is dead according to what the founding fathers themselves said,
if this happens, this is the result. The people that wrote the Constitution said, if we are in the situation we are in today, we do not have a constitution does not exist.
And if the elections are controlled and rigged, with her. And I think, you know, that’s not just to say by the machines, but by the machine itself, meaning by the media and the control the conspiracy has of on the national level,
especially, but on state levels as well, where they control it through the limiting of choices. The only people that are put forward and that you have an option to choose from is are the people that are acceptable.
choices. They don’t care if Hillary or Trump wins or they don’t care Biden or Trump wins. They don’t care if if John Kerry or George Bush wins. Those are the choices that are given to us because those are the a the choices that they’re they’re okay with.
And then and if they’re if the choices somehow if the people especially in the local level this happens more often where maybe they don’t have control of who’s gets to with the,
you know, the final contest, then they use the machines to rig it. So either way, through the choices that were given, right, we’ve got Satan or Lucifer, and you’ve got to pick one,
or if you’ve got a legitimate choice, they’re going to control it through the machines. And so there’s, and so there’s no mechanism through elections to say,
okay, we’re going to get the right guy elected, not only in the presidency, but in 50 % plus one of all of the congressional districts across the country.
And in majority, we have 50 states and we’ve got 100 senators. And so we’d have to get 51 senators across the country that are going to. all vote together to be able to restore the Constitution.
That this designed to get us to spin our wheels because they know that they have the absolute control over that process as well. And so that again,
what we think of existing hasn’t existed for 180 years. It’s a Band -Aid that we need to restore. off Because the sooner that we understand that and we internalize that we grasp that the sooner we’ll be able to recognize Why what we talk about?
Why do we say that those things that we say that everybody talks about whether it’s you know Electing the right guy running for office in the writing letters Doing the rallies suing the guy Those are the things that we’re told,
but we just went over those things tonight just briefly on each one of them, each one of those deserve a full in -depth overview, but I think we’re all on the same page of agreeing that, yeah, all those things are accurate.
And so if that’s the case, then we’re in a situation where those things that we’re told are the only ways to fix things are the things that won’t fix it. And so but it’s OK.
That doesn’t mean that we’ve given up. We’re not being pessimistic. We talk about those things. You know, a lot of times, you know, there’s there’ll be a lot of different people out there that will talk about, oh, look at what the Constitution says.
Oh, look, Congress isn’t doing that. It’s unconstitutional. And so that’s why we need to sue or that’s why we need to elect a constitutionalist that understands the limits of government. government and so but I’m saying that that’s not that’s no none of those things are designed to work they’re all designed to fail and so that you just let you know that you’re wasting your time you’re wasting your resources your money
and you’re doing things that either don’t work or you give it or you give up and I’m saying no we don’t we don’t we don’t recognize these things and point these things out to say give up there’s nothing to do we just just remember what Nicola Tesla said.
He says, “I’ve not failed. I just found 10 ,000 ways that won’t work.” So instead of saying that if I don’t do the same thing over and over again,
then I’ve given up and I’ve allowed the conspiracy to take over, no, that’s the definition of insanity. We’ve spent 100 years being told that this is how we fix things,
and we’re just thinking we just have to do it harder next time. That’s insanity. We have to recognize, like a good scientist would, that this doesn’t work,
and so we need to stop doing it. That’s not giving up. That’s saying we move on to realize what does work. And so, these are key principles that we need to go back to.
Thank you. I brought them up before and this is from the Constitution of the Council of Fifty. This is a principle all faiths, especially Christian faiths should recognize that God only has a right to institute laws and establish decrees for the government of the human family.
All nations have obtained their power, rule and authority by usurpation, rebellion, bloodshed, tyranny. tyranny and fraud. Doesn’t say every nation but the United States.
Every nation has the power that they have because they’ve usurped it, they rebelled against correct principles. They’ve killed and they are tyrannical and they are fraudulent.
So why would we continue to work with a a power and give legitimacy to a power that exists only because of these things? That’s the crazy thing.
That’s – that’s the – that’s giving up. You’re saying, well, there’s nothing else I can do I’m gonna give up and I’m gonna continue to work with them. No other government, kingdom, dominion, authority,
power, rule, or law, except for God’s kingdom, kingdom of God, shall be acknowledged by my people. Do we recognize that a law or not? Are we God’s,
do we consider ourselves God’s people, no matter what faith we come from as an individual? Do I call my, do I consider myself one of God’s people?
Then I say, and I think that the scriptures back that up, then we cannot accept or acknowledge. And that’s a prayer. pretty key word not just accept. We can’t acknowledge anything else but his kingdom and acknowledging a nation that has been put into power through rebellion bloodshed tyranny fraud usurpation is idolatry and So in 1844 they recognized that it was dead bringing young said but I tell you in the name of the
Lord you when we go from here, we will exalt the standard of liberty and make our own laws. When we go from here, we don’t calculate to go under any government,
but the government of God.” That’s our intention. That’s what we need to work towards. That’s what we need to act like. And so,
when we participate, though, in the usurpers selection process, what we’re not doing is we’re not dealing with the hand that we’ve been built. We can’t just say, well,
that’s just that that’s just the situation we find ourselves in. That’s giving it legitimacy. That’s you’re acting as if what you’re doing is actually helping and it’s not.
You’re not slowing the train from going over the cliff by picking the so -called lesser of two evils. You’re not reforming the system. What we are doing is we’re giving legitimacy to the crimes that they’re committing.
We’re giving legitimacy to their existence, and we’re spending our time and resources literally building Satan’s kingdom. I don’t think that’s something that any of us here want to do and tend to do.
but because we don’t grasp the situation that we’re in, we think that that’s the only thing that we can do. We have to start realizing that’s not the case. But when we follow these time -tested solutions,
what we’re not doing is we’re not giving up, we’re not giving legitimacy to the conspiracy’s existence, and we are spending, and we’re We’re saying I worked hard and I’m not going to spend my money on in my time away from my family on perpetuating Satan’s kingdom anymore.
But what we are doing is we are helping to move us toward restoring liberty. We are weakening the conspiracy. That’s why they’re so afraid of these solutions. And we are being a light and an example to others on what to do.
And so this time test of solutions, we go into great detail in the… Well, I go into detail in these in the first two books. And then the last book goes into even more detail on certain aspects of these principles.
And so it’s important for us to be able… to understand what it is that we’re building, what it is that we’re doing, and what it is that we’re not doing to make sure that we’re not,
because none of us want to, you know, purposely want to continue to give the conspiracy more power. We don’t want to give, you know,
build up Satan’s kingdom anymore. We don’t want to prop up the conspiracy. And so. so the building our own understanding of those solutions that are in great greater detail than we had,
you know, then we have time to be able to get into an hour training are essential reading for us. And so it’s of course we put those the electronic versions of those books in the member portal.
And we have the print editions available to be able to distribute, because the sooner that we have. that we have the understanding of these things and we stop perpetuating the conspiracy that we face,
the sooner we’ll be able to actually implement true liberty again and to be able to go on the offense and stop going what we’re doing right now by by playing this game is we’re just going on the defense.
We’re always trying to slow down or stop the progress of the conspiracy. conspiracy. There’s just a couple of bills in the Utah legislature I want to bring out, just to kind of give you some examples of what’s going on right now is that there are bills that are talking about further regulating,
A, for regulating raw milk, for example. They’re saying that McDonald’s hamburgers and french fries are completely safe. There’s no warning. You don’t have to sign a waiver to be able to purchase it.
But raw milk in state statute, if this bill passes, will have the state on position on officially their official stand of the state of Utah will be that raw milk is dangerous.
That raw milk is one of the largest spreaders of communicable disease. and that and then increase and because of that official stance of the state of Utah,
the milk producers and then individual consumers will have to go through even more hoops than they already do. Right now, if you want to buy raw milk, you have to sign a waiver that you’re not going to sue the milk producer,
the person selling you the raw milk. And this. this will strengthen those regulations and controls over milk and then there’s another bill just over over the top. Talking about regulating and not regulating but.
Constituting Salt Lake as a human being. Giving the salt the great Salt Lake writes. It’s. of a person.
And so that way, if you take water out of the lake, that means it’s an assault. Basically, the same thing is if you took a person, a part of somebody’s body away from them, it would be seen the same way. And so there are there are groups in the state of Utah that are trying to do that with the Great Salt Lake,
making a body of water have the same exact rights as a human being. It’s that if you’re not an insanely evil person.
That’s just crazy to be able to label a body of water a person. And so just more examples of states, just Utah being a state ’cause it’s where I live. And also just because it’s seen as the conservative state where our family values,
we are a pro -constitution living in government, but that’s not the case. And we have these people in power that are pushing us. these laws. And these aren’t laws that are pushed by, you know,
extreme leftists in the Democrat party. These are people that are seen as, you know, conservatives as Republicans. And so we have to recognize that what we’re facing is a conspiracy.
And that when the seriousness of what we’re doing when we continue to deny the fact. that the America that we thought we were trying to restore and preserve doesn’t even exist anymore.
And so with that, I’d like to open it up again. I’m glad I was able to leave enough time again for us to be able to have a discussion about these topics. Any questions, any thoughts,
any swear words you wanna rail at me for staring to say such treasonous things about America? I’d love to hear your thoughts, comments, questions. Dang,
I’m used to swear words, but I can’t think of using them against you. I was like, when you talked about NAFTA, I think one thing we need to really preach is NAFTA is nothing but the United Nations.
It’s one of those arms of the critter. And if you approach people as say and do you want the United Nations to run this Do you want the commies in the United Nations to run us or do you want someone who represents us and One of the oh Shoot Get old and then your mind leaves me where you get finished I’ll pick it up later later.
Anyway, understanding who the real enemy is and who these people are representing. Yeah, we can use that on our fight to wake people up.
Yeah, it’s important to wake them up because that’s the key power is, you know, that the conspiracy is their perceived legitimacy. And so we need to show them these show others these things so that they stop to treat these people as legitimate.
Because it’s not like we’re debating whether it should be passed or not it’s already there it’s not only already there but it’s been expanded it’s even worse than it was in the 90s and so it’s already there and the people in power were put there to make sure that it was given the legitimacy the so -called legitimacy of legislation but as the founding father said that being there means there’s no more constitution and
that by just remembered the second point. Yeah. Me and one of my daughter -in -law’s was arguing about, oh, there’s some good cops. And I said, no,
they’re policy people. I don’t think that you can have politicians now that are good people. They’re fighting for power to run tyranny over the top of us.
now, maybe it’s because that damn book you got me reading that to kill and go murder or whatever but These people that get in political power are there for They’re not gonna get paid a lot,
but they’re gonna have money thrown at them And it’s just the power and that’s evil These people want to have authority over the top of us In the book it keeps asking Did god give you that authority or?
Or did you take it upon yourself? We got to understand these people are evils are taken that upon themselves to take away Citizens gosh,
I hate to use citizen I hate to take the people’s rights for tyranny, for jerks,
to rule over us. And that’s really a hard thing, because you have people that are like, well, I know somebody– my family member is this, this guy’s in my ward,
or my church, or whatever it is. But it’s not about– they can be really nice. Like, people– the jokes about Nazi Germany was– well the trains ran on time well you know well so -and -so is a nice guy he’s he’s enforcing the tyranny of he’s a tyranny enforcer that’s just all there is to it no matter what a nice guy he is if he’s not if he’s not nullifying every order that he’s been given then he’s a tyranny
enforcer and he’s not gonna keep his job for very long if he’s not if he’s nullifying every order he’s been given So it’s a way to be able to get us to you know not feel so you know not be so have so much animosity towards him I guess is by you know using these things about how nice they are you know what a good you know bishop he was you know I remember that during the 2008 election of all these people
saying what a great bishop, you know, how nice of a stake president Mitt Romney was, is a satanic tyrant. I don’t care how nice he was to you. I don’t care that he paid for your mortgage, you know,
and helped you out with maybe some food because when you were in need. I mean, that’s great that you were able to get help when you were in need. That’s fantastic. I’m not against that. But that individual is a tyrant. It’s just all there is to it. You know,
I think now I’m going totally by memory. memory, so I could be totally off But there was a poem and I think it was by Orson F. Whitney about the war in heaven and described in Lucifer when he made his appearance as being beautiful and and Roar of a large river and Everything he was so beautiful that everything paid attention to him these these These evil people that’s what they want He has to be noticed when they
walk into a room and the way they can be noticed is be Pirates Yep What’s that,
Mr. Sal? He says I’m not the only one that caught this. I can’t get it out of my head anyway. What can’t you get out of your head? Oh,
yeah. Oh, that’s hilarious. That’s a good… good oh my goodness that’s funny you must be a father with a dad joke like that any other comments thoughts questions and planes Yeah,
I just gave up many, many years ago, I don’t know, excuse me, the election process because it’s a joke. It was with George Bush when I heard him scream about that comment that you made about the Constitution.
Why are you throwing an F -ing Constitution in my face today, yada, yada. When I heard that, I was like, “What the hell is going on?” I’m like, it doesn’t matter, the elections aren’t important. And when I saw that,
my heart sunk and then another time, just before that, I was standing in line to vote. And that’s when I really changed my mind that I was with Barack Obama when he was running the first time.
And this little kid said to his dad, a couple of people behind me says, “Why are we here voting today anyhow? “Oh, Obama’s going to win anyhow.” it’s guaranteed. And I’m like,
you know, that kid was already onto it. Something that the rest of us had no clue about. And that was when I realized that, you know, we’re making a serious mistake by doing what we’re doing.
And I’ve only voted one time since then. And even then I was very reluctant, extraordinarily reluctant. This time I’m staying home. All the time.
other people out there, you know, make believe the myth or the fallacy that their election, that their vote counts, because it doesn’t.
Well, beyond that, yeah, I mean, I agree. But I think it’s more fundamental than that. It’s legitimizing an illegitimate government. I like what Alan says here.
He says, many will say to me that in that day, Lord Lord. Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name, and in thy name have cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful works, and then will I profess unto them,
I never knew you. Depart from me. Ye that work iniquity.” And he says, you know, instead of saying, “Have we not prophesied in thy name?” Say, “Were we not nice guys?” I think that’s perfect.
So Ned asks, are we and are we fighting the Utah bills that we mentioned? So, I mean, it’s it was fighting it in a way. So there’s kind of two angles to this,
to be able to. Is they need to be exposed. And so in that way of helping them. them, helping people become aware of those bills helps to illegitimize the people in power.
And then to be able to, well, oftentimes to be able to protect their legitimacy, they’ll do the right thing. And so I think, you know,
making sure that what we’re, when we say, you know, fighting the bill. Are we doing it to? try and get the bad guys to do the right thing? Then that gives them more legitimacy says,
Oh, see, we can fix this. When that’s, that’s a distraction. So when we fight it, what we’re doing is we’re, we’re fighting against the people that are meaning we’re fighting the conspiracy,
we’re exposing them and, and showing that they’re illegitimate. And if that means that they, you know, forces them to do the right thing to protect the legitimacy. legitimacy, then that’s, you know, buys us a little more time. But our goal should always be not in trying to fix it,
but in trying to de -legitimize those in power. So, yeah, we’ll definitely be doing some videos, helping people see what’s going on with those. But we need to make sure that what we’re doing is within the proper sphere and the proper understanding of what it is that we’re doing.
doing. Alan, you got your hand raised. Are you unmuted?
You can unmute. What’s up,
Alan Arthur? Where’s the other Alan? Alan? Alan C., I think he had his hand raised, maybe not. When I first joined,
it wasn’t this group, it was prior. I just got done reading Mark Levin, the Liberty Amendments, and it took me a while with Shauna and you,
and so on. some others, but it seems like with the knowledge that we have in these groups, that we should maybe look into these conventional state people and ask them,
do you know of 10, 15 people with the moral structure to write another constitution? Shouldn’t we just try to…
work back to the original Constitution and try to try it for a while, get rid of all of the things that the politicians have attached to it,
to where it doesn’t work and try to get it back to the way the founders had it so it would work. Yeah, the logic of the ComCon,
folks, makes no sense. I don’t understand how the average Joe that is convinced by it is convinced by it. I know the people at the top are doing it on purpose,
but I don’t understand how the average activist is sold on it makes no it makes no sense. Well, we are out of official time and so we’re going to close up and then we’ll open up to open forum.
You guys can talk about whatever you want. Clayton Barlow would you be willing to say the closing prayer for us? Yep.
Thanks. Dear Heavenly Father, we’re grateful for this day. We’re grateful that we can gather together here as people who want to affect change and establish thy kingdom on the earth.
Please bless us to be inspired by the Holy Spirit throughout this week so that we can do everything that’s agreeable with thy will. to establish Thy kingdom that all liberties and rights may be protected and defended in that Thy authority may reign upon the earth.
Please bless us that we will find those who are honest in heart and will be open to these principles and these truths and that we will have the courage to speak up to them and invite them to such gatherings as this.
We say this in the name of Jesus Christ, amen. Amen. Clayton, do you have an E at the end of Barlow? No.
