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I’m sorry, and then the okay button covered my mute button father in heaven we’re
so thankful unto thee for all the provision thou has been blessed us with in this
tree of liberty society we thank thee for this fellowship and the fun we have and
all the things that Thou blesses been to be inspired to keep us action -oriented and
informed with new things all the time and we’re just we’re grateful for Thy Holy
Spirit to guide us and we pray for this meeting to be guided in that way that we
might be uplifted and get each of us ideas in our hearts that to know what we
need to do next to just help that little bit extra for Liberty to be maintained in
this land in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Take it away,
Carmen. Tree of Liberty Society minutes for Monday,
September 30th. The opening prayer was offered by Ben. He related the events of last
Friday and asked Pam Allen to give an overview and then for Joyce to do the same.
Pam indicated she was pleased with the presentation, although there was low in
attendance, the attendance appreciated the info information.
There was interest in the book sales and the discussions afterwards.
Joyce said the turnout was good and she’s excited to be associated with them.
She said that the attendees were riveted. Her one friend that she brought with her
loved it and she was sold. She’s convinced now more than ever.
Samantha indicated it was a very compelling case,
foundation with Liberty Solutions.
Ben talked
about one of the attendees. He had read Invasion 2 and gave some criticism to Ben
concerning the writing. I think that’s what he was actually getting at,
though he didn’t want to accept President Nelson’s past membership in Skull and
Bones.
Somebody asked for more events and people are going to be hosting boot camps in
their homes.
The training for that night last Monday night was how the conspiracy makes its
attacks on our children who are in heritage of the Lord.
Moms and dads have different roles.
Brigham Young said it was the duty of families to provide tabernacles for all the
spirits that are coming to this earth, been listed the three phases of women’s lib
movements, and the pets are now the new children.
Legalized abortion hides the bodies in a horrific occurrence.
Now horror is legalized. And Micah mentioned the posts.
He said that there’s been a lot of posts of people who are re -bottling houses and
finding baby bodies. And that this actually encourages promiscuity.
Ben said it’s a reflection of morality, of the culture at large,
it’s not holding to standards.
The UN program is to reduce population,
global population control, forced sterilization, talked about a woman named Sanger who
founded Palm Planned Parenthood and her goal was to exterminate the Negro population,
saying that only right people are to bring children into this world.
We need to limit the population to the desirable crowd. Ben
Ah, PubMed, I don’t know, was placing infertility drugs into the food supplies and
birth controls. The article was, it was a PubMed article talking about a way to
have population control was to put birth control into the fast food supply. Oh,
I’ve got it here that they actually did it. Well, not, And so later on,
I show up from last year where they started, you know, at least by at least last
year, they started doing it at Chick -fil -A. Oh, okay.
Alan C. talked about the stivia “sweetener” which leads to infertility.
Ben showed a video where Rockefeller was promoting women’s lib in Utah.
Science Bank is promoting women’s equality and wanting an increase in women in
government roles.
Dan said it’s like any other government program has nothing to do with qualifications
of a person. It’s a dumbing down of positions. Samantha said that the trend is to
have 1 ,000 women, more women as business owners and trans women qualify.
Women are to act like men, women replace men with artificial quotas.
Ben said that in Utah now have all day kindergarten, they destroy the desire to
raise up a new generation, satanic conspiracy, and it prevents the spirits from
gaining body.
It’s eroding a peaceful society. Samantha commented that it’s destroying Christianity,
belief in God, and she
said the first commandment,
the first commandment of To multiply and replenish the earth is hidden from all
other religion. That’s something they just don’t talk about.
Secular religion is no sacrifice. There’s no obedience. It’s almost completely eroded.
Ben’s solution is to do the reverse. Own property, encourage adulthood in children,
encourage children with fathers, and encourage economic independence.
Look for a way for the ways the conspiracy uses to get us to not follow the ideal
instructions. The closing prayer was offered by Sal.
Perfect. Thank you. Any corrections comments questions?
Okay. All righty. Thank you. Carmen as always appreciate it. I am ready You’re
ready. All righty. So Mary Jane Thompson has agreed to do the spiritual thought for
us. Go ahead Mary Jane
Well, thanks for those minutes Carmen um Um, so, I have a terrible procrastinator
and I just didn’t know what to talk about and I just couldn’t think of anything
until today and I was just, I was looking through just some random pictures in my
phone and I found a quote in my phone and it’s by Brigham Young. It says, “Pray
as though everything depended on the Lord and work as though everything depended on
you.
And that’s kind of something that I have been having to do in my life lately.
It seems like and where and it’s just a good it’s just something to do anyways
where you are gonna pray and you’re gonna have faith in God and ask Him to help
you with things, but you also need to put in the work for it. You can’t just
expect Him to do everything for you. And I think that applies just in everyday life
and in the things that Ben is trying to do as well and us trying to help bring
about the return of our Savior and the building up of Zion. We can’t just like
Ben’s talked about and I um a lot but just we can’t wait for it to happen we
have to we have to pray for it but we also have to put in the work for it and
it can’t just happen on its own and spontaneously happen out of nowhere and so this
is a really short thought that I wanted to talk about but that’s my spiritual
thought for today. Well Thanks for the opportunity. Appreciate it.
Anybody have any additional thoughts or comments? Goes along with that.
Hey Well, again, thank you, Mary Jane. Appreciate it. I Do have a thought.
Yes, Joyce goes with it. Sorry. I couldn’t unmute because I couldn’t didn’t have my
glasses on
I landed in the airport in New Jersey a year ago and I had lost the Holy Spirit
on my flight. But when we were getting our car, a person ahead of me didn’t have
their driver’s license. They had lost it before their flight. I let him get on the
plane. I don’t know how, anyways, he looked really like upright young person,
but I felt like we should give him a ride. But we were and I got distracted and
I I didn’t know what my husband would think we were standing right there next to
each other and I didn’t there were a lot of people anyways I felt like I did the
wrong thing and it turned out he was going to West Point and I didn’t know where
that was it might not be in our direction and how do I find out anyways it was
right in our direction we were going we went right past it And I was repenting all
the way and finally the Lord gave me a revelation when he forgave me and he said
he showed me that the 12 the 10 virgins, I’m sorry, I’m taking so long that half
of them had oil in their lamps. And the reason that Jesus said, I don’t know you
when they wanted to go into the feast, the ones who didn’t have oil was because
you can’t. The opportunity is gone that you could have acted and and then the the
feast would have been us with that young man in our car making his trip happen we
would have had so much rejoicing together and and that we missed out on you can’t
have that feast once it’s over like you just have to wait for the next chance so
that goes with your thought Mary Jane.
That’s great.
Anybody else?
Okay, thank you. I think those are those are great examples and a great principle
for us to remember that we need to make sure and be a doer. I can hardly hear
you.
The whole time or? Yeah. Okay. How is this?
Is this better? Much, much better. So I was just saying that it’s a, those are,
that’s a great principle and it’s a great example of that principle. We want to be
doers and not hearers only. So that’s, I appreciate you bringing that out.
In this case, we couldn’t even be hearers. What’s that?
What’s that, Alan? In your case, we couldn’t even be hearers for a while. Oh, yes.
Well, I’m glad everybody heard that it was when there was to their turn to go
forward. So there’s some announcements I wanted to make real quick.
In the chat, I have the link to the Q &A that was mentioned. It’s not a public
video. I’m not sure if I’m going to or if I should, I’m still thinking about it.
I’m taking feedback if there’s something we can do with it, but I thought it’d be
fun for inside internal use. But the full presentation is on the website.
So just if you go to a Tree of Liberty Society dot com, solving election fraud,
the presentation itself is there. And then it’s an announcement that I made today
that we’re trying to do talking about no ads. And so what I’m trying to do is
because I know that our time on social media, you know,
Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, rumble, etc. is is limited, that there’s going to come
a time where there’s only so many times you can start a new channel, start over
again. And just like so a couple of weeks ago, Amazon kicked us out again.
They banned invasions volume one and two. And when I asked them what rule I had
violated, their response back to me was they reserve the right not to tell people
why what rules they broke. So they refused to tell me why. And so,
you know, that that is just going to keep happening over and over again. And so I
want to to bring people to the website, you know, I want that to be the go to
place. No, to place. I don’t want people to get used to finding our content on
YouTube or Rumble or Instagram or whatever it is. I want them to have it as a
habit of going to the Tree of Liberty Society dot com. And so on the website
itself, I’m not going to be, I’m going to be hosting the video internally. And
instead of like rumble or YouTube where ads run. And so making it an incentive for
people to go to the website where it is the video won’t be taken down. You know,
if you’re going to our website, you’re always going to be able to find the video.
It’s never going to be removed because of some kind of community rules violation or
because the channel was taken down. And in addition to Um, the with you if they
watch our reports on the website, there will not be any ads that interrupt the
video. If you watch, you know, videos on YouTube or on rumble, um, they will be,
they usually start with an ad or two. And then all throughout the video, there’s
ads that pop up. And so if the if people watch the videos,
the, you know, consume our content at the website, they won’t get into those ads
that interrupt the program. And so that’s hopefully a thing that will be something
that will be nice for people, it’ll be less annoying. They won’t have to deal with
the ads and it will encourage them to go to the website first and to make that
the habit. And so with that, though, it is going, you know, as our content gets
removed from those other platforms, it’s going to depend on us more and more
directing people to the website through different avenues that we have and so I’m
hoping that in addition to just making that a habit of all of ours that we also
make it a habit of that we’re sharing direct links to the website and encouraging
people to go there and to encourage them to make it a habit of you know sign up
for email alerts sign up for the text alerts and so that way that they’re not
missing anything and they’re making sure that they know that something new has come
out. Any questions, thoughts on that? Well, this is a big deal.
Um, so when I share, I was sharing a YouTube video, let’s say, for somebody.
Um, I’ll share when I share it from a page on your site. Yeah,
They won’t have to click through several times. It’ll go straight to the video.
Yeah, exactly. Yep. So if you just, for example, if you just posted,
you know, that’s I’m just going to click on it so it can load. Hopefully there we
go. So if you just copy and paste this to whatever you do, it’ll, they’ll come
directly to there. They scroll down and they’d press play. So like this is the
first video I’m going to be going through. And actually fixing all previous embedded
videos, getting rid of all of the other videos with ads and having all of the
stuff on our website, just have the content directly right there so that they go
right there and they press play. And there it is. And so it’s easy to do and then
other additional information for folks if they want. And so that’s should be should
be really easy, shouldn’t be any problems, shouldn’t, you know, getting rid of all
that also more pleasurable viewing.
Any other questions?
So those, yeah, so that the presentation’s up, the announcements up. So just
encourage people to take advantage of that.
So let’s go ahead and get to if there’s no other comments or questions we can go
ahead and get into tonight’s training.
Make sure I share my sound.
Alrighty. So you know kind of following that same thing that we’ve been having
recently about voting, we’re gonna be getting into some things about voter ID.
Just hiding that so we can get the full screen. There we go. Okay. So we have the
idea of, you know, this voter ID bait and switch where it’s one of these false
solutions that are putting put out there by false opposition. There’s always these
different ways that people are trying to put forth out there to encourage people to
take part in something that, of course, is a fraud and so it maintains the
credibility of the conspiracy and the conspirators in government. And so I want to
get into that. This was just this week. The state legislature in California and the
governor passed a signed a bill that would law voter ID requirements.
So in the state of California, they banned local counties from requiring voter ID.
And so, you know, of course, because it’s California, you’ve got the so -called
conservatives or Republicans or whatever, all up in arms saying that, of course,
California wants to have illegals vote or have people vote multiple times.
You have Elon Musk coming out and saying, wow, it’s now illegal to require voter ID
in California. They just made preventing voter fraud against the law and the Joker
is in charge. So he’s putting out this idea that voter ID is going to be what
prevents voter fraud. And so that’s what one of the so -called solutions to voter
fraud out there is to require ID to do so. And then you have some other fake
conservative organizations like Turning Point, putting out memes like this, right? All
these examples of where you need an ID and then how horrible is that you don’t
need ID to vote when you need an ID for all these other things.
Promoting, again, the false solution. And so kind of when we when we see this false
opposition out there, it’s easy for us to get sucked into the false left right
paradigm and saying, oh man, those pesky commies in California. They’re really making
sure that there is no, you know, way to prevent voter fraud. But we have to ask
ourselves this question getting down to the fundamentals is will if we require had
to have an ID to vote, will it stop rigging of the voting machines? If I come,
if I show up with an ID, is it gonna stop that? No, of course not. Is it gonna
stop stuffing ballots? No. Is it gonna stop throwing out votes? No. Is it gonna
stop judges from supporting all the above? No. And so we can see right there that
requiring voting IDs
is a, is a fraudulent solution. It’s a false solution meant to give government more
control as opposed to actually prevent crime from happening.
And so it’s the, that’s the fundamentals,
right? So I want to get into some things that we have to go after the root, not
go after those branches and the media, you know, the controlled media and false
opposition organizations and individuals, they want us to hack at the branches where
really solving the problem is we need to dig at the roots, we need to upend the
entire thing. And so what they’re doing is misdirection. With misdirection,
you can hide certain clues in plain sight while otherwise obscuring their true
importance. And I like to bring up the parable of Brer rabbit, where he tells Bear
Fox and Bear Bear that, you know, don’t throw me in that briar patch, do whatever
you want, right? Boil me up. Whatever you want to do, just don’t throw me in the
briar patch, when that’s exactly what they wanted them to do. And so that’s the
same thing with what we have as the false opposition with the Democrats saying, oh,
no voter ID. And it’s that same thing of don’t throw me in that briar patch. So
now we have this solution that all these conservatives need to are working to get
on board with of making sure that we have nationwide required voter ID, which is
exactly what the conspiracy wanted in the beginning, because it doesn’t solve the
problem. But it makes us think that we solve the problem. Making sense so far any
questions comments.
Okay, hopefully the silence means it makes sense
So now I want to get into before we get back to voting I want to use illegal
immigration as an example This is if you if those of you that have never lived
near the border between the United States and Mexico You might not know that this
is a real sign That’s on the ways, warning people of people coming across the
border illegally, and to watch out so you’re not running over them because they’re
running across the freeway. And so the conspiracy in action, I want to kind of give
a visual force to really internalize what’s really going on. We have professional
wrestling going on. On one side, you’ve got Hulk Hogan, and on the other side,
we’ve And in the, you know, in the realm of government, what that represents here
is, you know, we have one side that’s anti illegal immigration and you have on the
other side, that’s pro illegal immigration. And there, of course, I’ve talked about
how the conspiracy uses immigration on both sides, the pro and the anti and it’s,
you know, it’s, again, it’s a diversion. It’s hacking at the roots as I mean, the
branches that are the roots. And so this is this false opposition. They pretend to
be fighting each other when they’re actually working towards the same goal. They’re
working for the same people. And so one of the ways that they do that is through
getting conservatives to support E -Verify. And I’m gonna kind of give you some
examples of what that is before we get into it. We have this article just from a
few years ago, promoting JD Vance as an up and comer and he’s right on E verify,
because Vance supports E verify, this is the American conservative. So if you’re a
conservative, you have to, you know, this is this is who’s going to influence you
to thinking your E verify is a good thing. Because E verify support support for E
verify will give him a leg up in his run for the Senate in Ohio. JD Vance won
Ohio’s Republican Senate primary in large part by staking out populist stances that
his more corporate friendly rivals couldn’t back, consider Vance’s proposal to require
every employer to use e -verify to screen out illegal immigrants, a policy that pulls
incredibly well with working Americans, but one that’s an anithma to big business. So
if you’re a big business, you’re anti -e -verified. Well, who do you think got e
-verified a pass? Who do you think wrote it?
And then if you’re anti -illegal immigration and you’re pro -worker, that means you’re
pro -e -verify. And so they’ve set up these strawman, you know, opponents to make
sure that they have the problem reaction solution that they desire. And then we have
here, again, we have this another organization called Center for Immigration Studies
with their article, there’s no border security without E -Verify.
So if you’re against E -Verify, you’re against border security is the idea that
they’re trying to put out there. That is why a universal use of E -Verify,
so meaning everyone has to use it, is hiring, in hiring is essential, both as a
policy matter and as a political litmus So they want to make it something that is
everybody’s going to be voting for. You got to make sure that you ask your
candidate is he in favor of stopping illegal immigration and making sure that illegal
immigrants don’t take the jobs of Americans.
And so the article continues real immigration control requires making it as difficult
as possible to live here illegally to reduce the incentives for those who would
cross the water illegally or overstay their visas. And the chief way to do that is
to make it hard to get a job. The harder it is, the fewer the people, the fewer
people will come illegally. E -Verify is a free online system run by who?
The Department of Homeland Security that employers can use to check whether new hires
are permitted to work in the United States. When The employer collects the usual
information for tax and social security purposes, he also submits it to you verify
the response comes in a matter of seconds. So the employer is looking to Homeland
Security to determine who’s allowed to work at who’s not in the United States.
Hopefully you’re starting to see why this might be a problem for a Liberty Lover.
Mitt Romney everybody knows Mitt Romney is a great conservative a real
constitutionalist really liberty -minded. He wants to protect the border Oh, but he’s
supporting legislation to mandate e -verify nationwide Senators Mitt Romney Tom Cotton
Bill Cassidy James Langford J .D. Vance and Joe Manchin introduced mandatory to verify
act of 2024 bipartisan legislation that would require all employers to use the
federal electronic verify system to confirm the employment eligibility of their
workforce. The senator’s bill comes on the heels of President Biden’s recent attempt
to restrict asylum claims, which does not affect the millions of illegal aliens who
have already entered the United States since he took office and leaves in place the
employment magnet that incentivizes illegal immigration. So we know that Mitt Romney,
that should be playing to everybody on this call, is a globalist, he’s a
conspirator, he is not in favor of protecting the border, but he’s introducing
legislation and he’s introducing this false dichotomy again of making sure we’ve got
workers, you know, jobs for Americans And we don’t give jobs to illegal immigrants
and then those pesky Democrats, they’re not protecting jobs. They are they’re ensuring
that all the illegals still here are able to get work and.
And providing that false dichotomy between the left and the right. So what’s wrong?
Why? What’s wrong with the verify? Why would we? Why would a constitutionalist be
against it and why would globalists be in favor of it if they’re against borders.
The first thing is what we see here is that it’s a requirement. They’re trying to
say businesses have to use this, but we know in the Constitution that there is a
limited authority given to Congress to do these types of things and regulating
business in each state is not one of those things. They are not allowed to mandate
these things nationwide in the Constitution. First of all,
and then second of all, it actually doesn’t even do what they say that it does.
What it does, E -Verify, is the conspiracy gets to decide who works and who doesn’t.
It’s a list. It’s basically the enforcement arm
credit score where if your credit if your social credit is not high enough, then
all of a sudden the federal government gets to say, oh, you’re not allowed to have
a job anymore. You’re not allowed to work anymore. If you if you’re, you know, you
can stay where you’re at, but as soon as you either quit or get fired, then you
have to apply for a different job. Oh, you’re not your social credit score isn’t
high enough. And so literally he verify It’s the real blacklist that people talk
about of, you know, people being blacklisted out of work, employment, organizations,
whatever it is, E -Verify is the blacklist. It’s putting the federal government in
charge of who works and who doesn’t. And that’s, that’s, I think should be plain as
a real problem. And beyond just the unconstitutionality of it, the principle of it
is atrocious. Anybody have any questions on e -verify and why it’s a problem?
Making sense?
Okay.
Plowing through.
So the next thing is we’re going back to voting. We we’ve talked about just kind
of I wanted to bring up the illegal immigration issue just to kind of as an
example of how they couch issues to get conservatives and and Democrats supposedly
fighting each other where their solution is unified in giving the government more
power and so right the conservatives again going back to voting conservative support
mandatory ID. They want federal legislation to mandate you have to have a government
issued ID to be able to vote. Not just any government issued ID, mind you,
right? Again, the conspiracy in action. On one side you’ve got your anti -voter fraud
and then your pro -voter fraud on the other side. California is clearly pro -voter
fraud because they don’t want you to have an ID to, I mean, they’re blocking the
idea of having an ID to vote. And so conservatives over here that want to protect
the vote, they’re going to use the power of government to make sure that you are
required to have a government ID to be able to vote. That way we can stop voter
fraud. But just right off the bat, just right off with that all by itself, we
already covered why that’s, you know, not accurate because Requiring voter fraud
doesn’t solve any of the problems that actually cause you know voter fraud
Somebody I’m muted. Did you have a question or a comment?
Got some good.
Okay.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, exactly. Good comments.
Okay.
So we have here, Republicans introduced the Save Act, okay, right? So if you’re
against the Save Act, you’re against saving elections, right? Just like with the
Patriot Act. If you’re against the Patriot Act, you’re against patriots and you’re in
favor of letting the terrorists win.
But what does the SAVE Act actually do, which is in Congress that actually passed
the House already? It violates the separation of powers and it steals power over
elections from the states. The Constitution, the Founding Fathers, knew that having
the central government have power over elections was was a bad idea.
And so that’s why they made it so that the central government had zero power over
elections, that they wanted to divide it as much as possible, where it would be,
you know, as much as it was divided up, made it that much more difficult to be
able to manipulate. And so they prohibited the central government from having any
power over elections. And so, you know, Georgia sets up its own rules,
and even within states each county sets up its own rules and that way it was
ensured that it was made it much more difficult for a central entity to be able to
control the elections. Now over 200 years they’ve been able to do that but they
want to make sure that they have that they don’t have to go through these hoops
anymore because it’s much easier of course to centralize as much as possible and so
the SAVE Act constitutionally centralizes power with the central government.
It also makes everyone born in the United States an automatic citizen. So if you’re
an illegal alien and you have a child, if you’re on your H1 visa and you have a
child while you’re on a visa, if you’re just a tourist, you’re at Disneyland and
while you’re on your trip to the United States, you have a kid, all of a sudden
that child
As a citizen of the United States was they so -called right to vote Now that should
be plain and obvious why that would be a problem.
And then the next one. Oh, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead So when did they start doing
that? Is that recent or a while ago? So this is the say that to just pass the
Congress within the last week. Oh It’s so okay. It needs to go go to the Senate
and then decide by the president. So that’s if this passes, this is the so -called
conservative solution to fixing our elections. So you said it made it all the way
through Congress or just one of the houses? Through the House, sorry, through the
House of Representatives. Oh, it’s on the Senate floor now? Correct.
Yep. Well, I think we should call our congressmen and, you (laughing)
– Right, the Satanist, the sternly written letter.
– Yeah. – The next thing it does is it mandates a national ID to vote with the
real ID as the front runner. And so that way, you know, that there’s, that way
California can’t make its own rules to make sure that, you know, giving you legals
have a driver’s license now they can vote because if you’re just mandating any ID
then California will give the illegal aliens vote an ID so then they can vote.
So what they want to do is to have it specifically be the real ID which was
passed in 2005. We’re going to get into the details of the real ID. And so really
creating this is the end run around to creating a national ID And getting
conservatives on board with that And so what is the real id?
So this is really just all of the different world war two movies that you see of
the soviet union or Of the national socialist of germany It was always,
you know, your papers, please You had to be able to have government issued documents
to be able to travel to be able to get food Whatever it was you needed your
papers to be able to do it. They wanted to make sure that you were authorized. You
weren’t part of the undesirables that they didn’t want to allow to have certain
things. And so Ron Paul writing about the real ID, he says that he calls it the
dangerous ID, also requires that your personal information, including your biometric
identifiers like fingerprints and retina scans be stored in a federal database.
So what that means is that information is then shared with other states.
And there I put carriers, it’s various agencies within the federal government and
even foreign governments have access to this. And that the database could include it,
you know, at some future time, gun ownership, health records, purchasing habits,
religious beliefs, really anything that you can think of would be stored could be
stored by the real ID. And because it’s in the hands of Homeland Security, now that
the real ID has already been created, now Homeland Security unilaterally gets to
change the rules of what is stored, how it’s stored, what’s shared, how it’s shared,
all of those types of things. It’s out. Congress has abdicated control over it.
Ron Paul continues on he says federal legislation that nationalize standards for
driver’s licenses and birth certificates creates a national ID system pure and simple.
It is just a matter of time until those who refuse to carry the new licenses will
be denied the ability to drive or board an airplane.
This is This was written back in 2008 when he said this, “Such domestic travel
restrictions are the hallmark of authoritarian states, not free republics.”
Yeah. Yeah. You know, I recently ordered some books from you and we had to ship by
UPS and UPS to record me when I went into the UPS office to collect the books,
I had to sign a digital pad to receive the books.
And I have a problem with that because, again, it’s a biometric collection of my
signature in a digital format that can be replicated. Once you put it on a digital
pad, it’s no doubt, it You have no custody any more over your digital signature and
they can replicated or Transmitted anywhere they’d want and I really had a problem
with that. So ultimately to get the books. I had to put a max down There you go.
Well, if it’s connected to your name, then they you know, they can if they would
like to search back to what you bought You know, they they have a list of hate
materials that were purchased by you never thought of that so I thought that that
was already something that they were doing is this just making it legal no you’re
getting ahead of me Mary Jane we’re gonna get to that oh sorry you’re good it’s a
fair question it’s a good question we’re getting there okay and so the actually so
the the bill was passed back in 2005 and has been slowly being implemented over the
last almost 20 years. And so without real ID. So remember,
he said that in the future from 2008, because now you know,
we’re in the future. If you refuse to carry it, you won’t you’ll be denied the
ability to drive or board an airplane. So without real ID, you’ll have to your If
you don’t use your real ID, because almost every state in the country has
transferred their driver’s license. So if you’re in every state but two,
generally speaking, your driver’s license is a real ID. So if you do not want to
be part of the national database, and so you say, “I’m not going to get a real
ID. That means you don’t have a driver’s license. And so if you get pulled over,
they will steal your car. So what Ron Paul said would happen has happened. That is
exactly what we’re dealing with right now. You don’t have a real ID. You will most
likely have your car stolen. You’re not allowed to fly. That’s, you know, it’s been
and this is Ben once. Yeah, go ahead. Yes. Yes, I’m gonna say I didn’t ask for
the real ID. It just showed up in the mail one day. Yep.
Absolutely
If you continue to what’s that Carmen, I was just asking her if she’s got it now.
Yeah You don’t have a choice it was forced like they just mail it to you.
– I didn’t ask for it. – Is that for, sorry. – No, go ahead.
– Is that for people? So most people have a driver’s license. Is that only,
does it come in the mail like what Becky was saying, if you have a driver’s
license or any form of ID? – In the state of Utah where you’re at, any ID.
So your ID has a star on it, correct? – Yeah. – So you have this. – Dang thing.
Yeah, I was pretty upset when I got mine in the mail. I was pretty bad about
that. I was really upset. Gold star. We all got gold stars.
Yeah, it was special. I remember in the past there was a government that required
certain citizens to have gold stars on them. Yeah, we’re all special.
Everybody’s special nobody is right. The last gold star I got was on my forehead.
You know, here in Canada. I believe our driver’s licenses now resemble yours in the
US they’re, they’re using the same. I’m going to just turn my camera on and let
you see that my driver’s license looks like. I don’t know if you can get this in
focus or not. – I’ll have to stop sharing to be able to do that. Go ahead. – Okay,
so there’s,
there’s, dang. I don’t think I can get focus on it this close, but our driver’s
license now follows the same format as a lot of US states. On the back of it,
there’s a big barcode at the top. And then underneath your signature a lot of these
features are common to any North American driver’s license now like underneath my
picture there on the left which you can’t see very well or right
is a barcode right underneath that no no underneath the here’s the barcode but yeah
I’m just I did see a u .s a couple of U .S. driver’s licenses recently, and they
all follow the exact same format now. Yeah.
So when it’s finally fully implemented, you won’t be able to fly without it as
well,
according to their own rules that they’ve stated, not any kind of fear mongering,
just the fact that’s what they’ve said. You able to enter a federal, a federal
building, you cannot be employed in certain job sectors like nuclear power,
things that, you know, involve national security type things. And voting rights will
be stripped, as we see with this idea of the, of the SAVE Act.
Because if you don’t have a real ID, you are not going to be allowed to vote.
And so another representative back in 2008 talking about it,
Jim guest from Missouri, he said that real ID is a direct frontal assault on the
freedom of citizens. Homeland security has total control. There is no judicial or
legislative control over this. Once they issue the act, there is no way of stopping
them. I would say that there’s no way that there is a way to stop them. But it
is definitely very difficult. Like a lot of you have brought out, it was just
mailed to you.
One of the ways that you’ve already gotten it is to stop using it. That’s the way
to stop them. But again, then you run the risk of any notification of the boot of
government being on your face. Another thing is that for future people,
for your children, your grandchildren, encouraging them not to do it at all.
And I’m going to talk about that in the solutions. But there are things that can
be done, but of course they require risk, you being willing to stand up and as a
part of standing up put forth risk to your life, liberty and property. And so there
are states that have nullified. If you Google it, Google says that every state has
begun implementation of real ID. But if you go to the Homeland Security website,
so the government’s own website, it says that two states have nullified it, Minnesota
and Missouri. So their licenses, their IDs,
according to Homeland Security, are not a part of the real ID system. So your state
states, Missouri and what? Minnesota. Okay, thank you. Yep.
And so, you know, it’s just like a nullification. Any state can do it. Lots of
states have done it, but those states that did do it in the past have now caved
or now it’s down to two that have fully nullified the real ID.
But there are states that have offered an opt out. So here’s an example of an
Arizona driver’s license, where an individual, this is actually, I won’t say it.
This is an individual’s from Arizona driver’s license where they didn’t, they opted
out of the real ID and so it has a text on there that says not for federal
identification. So they can still drive around in the state of Arizona or as they
travel the country and not have their car stolen, but they won’t be allowed to go
on an airplane. They won’t be allowed to go into to visit their congressmen ’cause
it’s a federal building, right? You can’t go visit any of the national sites in
certain jobs, you know, dealing with security issues, you will not be able to get
those jobs, but within the boundaries of that state and simply for traveling, you
can use that without having your vehicle at risk of confiscation.
And so even though states like Arizona, who they had nullified it.
They then became compliant, but they did offer non -compliant drivers licenses for
people that didn’t want to have the real ID, no star on it.
Questions so far?
Okay.
So now we see, though, that the real ID is not being implemented due to resistance.
And so even though it passed in 2005, it will be over 20 years after its passage.
They are putting it, right? They’re pushing off enforcement because of resistance.
Only 70 % of state -issued identifications are fully real ID compliant by next year’s
May deadline. And so instead of dealing with delays at the said,
okay, fine, you, we’re going to give you till 2027 to do it. And so the idea,
you know, one of the things that need to be done, which I’m going to get into is
of course, resistance,
nullification, those types of things, getting your state, you know, embarrassing them
into passing nullification statutes, that kind of stuff. Oh my goodness.
And they use the prospect of delays at airport security as an excuse. Right.
Yep. Like, oh, if we don’t go electronic, we’re going to have long lines.
And it’s just it takes forever now compared to when it was paper in person. Yep.
Exactly.
So the SAVE Act is the backdoor to a national ID mandate. Right. We see that when
they just did a national ID mandate that it’s been 20 years and they haven’t been
able to fully mandate it. But if you have it as part of making sure that elections
are secure, then you’re going to get all the conservatives saying, oh, man, we need
this, we need a national ID to make sure that, you know, Obama or, you know,
what’s her, having a blank on the current lady, whatever her name is Kamala Harris.
You make sure that she doesn’t steal the election and tricking people into thinking
that we need to give the government more power to ensure that the government doesn’t
have more power. And that, you know, we need to understand the fundamentals and not
be fooled by talking points that you’re going to hear on Glenn Beck, that you’re
going to hear on Sean Hannity, that you’re going to hear from these other so -called
conservative organizations that we need the federal government to step in to stop
states like California. And so that way we can make sure that we have secure
elections because it will not secure elections. And it’s not even about securing
elections. It’s about creating a national ID card and making us like other
totalitarian countries, getting us further down the road to the government telling,
you know, deciding who can travel, who can’t travel, who can buy, who can’t buy,
just like with the E -Verify, who can work, who can’t work. This is about building
the total information awareness state and total government.
And so we need to, there are things that we can do. Again, the first thing I
would suggest is don’t comply, either if you haven’t gotten a license already and
your state doesn’t have an opt -out, Just take the risk Another one is of course
don’t lend support to individuals organizations pushing it Make sure that you
recognize that what Glenn back or what Sean Hannity or what, you know turning point
Elon Musk whatever it is that they are the ones pushing big government And we’ve
got to not support those organizations or individuals anymore through either financial
means or through you know Sharing their materials promoting them whatever it is
seeing them as heroes. We’ve got to recognize them for who they are because that’s
a part of the overall agenda of not giving them legitimacy. We need to expose those
people that are pushing it as people that are pushing for big government. Again,
helps to ensure that we are making them lose their legitimacy with people. They lose
their legitimacy. They lose their power. And then maybe a halfway measure, right? Not
maybe as full on as not complying, but maybe you establish a so -called residence in
a state like Arizona, and you just get the identification that is not real ID
compliant.
And then, of course, work to destroy the legitimacy. Everything that we do needs to
be working towards destroying their legitimacy so that people stop obeying them. If
they understand what’s really going on, they’re not going to obey, and it’ll be even
more difficult for them to implement, as we’ve seen over the last 20 years with the
Real ID itself. Dan? Yeah. I just got my new driver’s license about probably three,
four weeks ago. Yeah. Is there any way to get that, to take it back and get them
to Do what you’re saying since you’re in Utah your only option is to accept it or
to risk having your car stolen You drive by not using it. So I’m not going to
tell you which one to do but there there are options for you to choose But the
but an option in Utah for you is not to choose You cannot choose a non real ID
compliant ID. You either choose to use their ID, or you choose not to if you’re in
Utah. OK, thank you.
It’s fine to destroy legitimacy when you have the protection of a constitution that
enshrines many of these rights. But of course, outside of the United States,
we don’t have that
to fall back on, you know? – Well, we don’t have it to fall back on either. Like
I’ve mentioned, that if you don’t have it in the state of Utah, you risk having
your car stolen. They don’t care about the Constitution. And so it’s really wherever
you’re at, you have the same option of risk or compliance.
And so Just another example, I like to bring these out as much as I can, is how
much they’re afraid of you exposing their illegitimacy. This is a clip from a recent
special public, what’s it called,
what are they,
a press conference that the Utah Lieutenant Governor had just this earlier this last
week.
Over the past few years, our election system has been overwhelmed by demands and
disruption from individuals who are best described as election vigilantes,
who claim to value the Constitution and rule of law while violating both.
Until recently, it’s been easy to dismiss these efforts is fringe, but I have grave
concerns that the volume and intensity of their destruction efforts are seeping into
the center. This trend should alarm everyone. Attacks against our political
institutions are not meant to reform but to undermine, and they always serve to
advance a political agenda, not the public interest.
It It’s just not politically popular, especially for someone in my political party,
to stand up for elections. We don’t score political points by speaking truth in
elections in my party.
First, I ask you to doubt the doubters. If someone is spreading salacious rumours,
but shake your confidence in our elections. Stop and ask yourself what their
motivation could be. Do not participate in undermining public trust in our elections
by spreading rumors or unfounded accusations. Second, commit today to accept the
results of the election no matter what they are. Every race has a main loser.
You will not like every outcome. And third, take your vote into your own hands.
It’s our responsibility as citizens of this state and country to ensure that we are
spreading truth.
You can see how afraid they are. They’re afraid that it’s becoming mainstream,
becoming the center that she said, and how afraid that she was that it was
undermining the election. So she gave these three things of doubt your doubts, right?
Doubt those that are trying to undermine it because she’s afraid of expanding because
that’s how did it get from the so -called fringe to the mainstream? It was because
those of us that know the truth about the elections kept talking about it. We
didn’t stop talking about it just because it’s been two years since the last
election or one year or six months or five We, we kept talking about it, just like
with nullification, whatever it is that we’ve done in the past of how you make it
from a so -called fringe issue to a mainstream issue is you keep talking about it.
You, you talk about it to other groups, you talk about it to more people, you
don’t shut up about it, you don’t care about the name calling, you just tell the
truth no matter what. And it goes from fringe to mainstream and They are scared of
it becoming mainstream, and so they give those three so -called solutions to fighting
election vigilanteism. And if you were at our book club,
we know what the original vigilanteism, the original definition of vigilante was, an
individual that stood for the rule of law even though the government refused to.
And so sure, I Well, just like the word extremist, I will take on proudly the the
moniker of vigilante under the original definition of it. It is not mob rule is not
my democracy it is somebody that is ensuring that the truth and that natural law is
maintained no matter what. And so we know that they are afraid of losing their
legitimacy. We know that they are afraid of us talking about it. And so what does
that mean? We have to continue and only continue, but to double down and magnify
that through making sure that we talk about it more, that we share the video
presentation that I just did, that we make sure that we help the Tree of Liberty
Sighted to continue on and to grow and to strengthen and to broaden its voice. And
that’s what we can do to make sure that we are doing what the founding fathers did
to maintain liberty and to take away the legitimacy of those in power.
And so with that, we are out of time, so we’ll go ahead and if any questions or
comments on this, we can do it in the open forum, but we’ll go ahead and have a
closing prayer. And I’m going to ask if you can.
Becky, are you available to give us the closing prayer?
Sure. Thanks.
Our dear Father in Heaven, we are grateful for this time that we’ve had to meet
together and to be educated in how we can resist and push back against those who
are trying to destroy our liberties and our freedoms and in our agency that Thou
has given to us. We ask You to please help us to know
what Thou would have us do and the steps that we can take, that we may be able
to help educate others around us, that we may grow our numbers.
We are grateful for the many blessings that Thou gives us each day.
And we pray for these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
