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We have Dr. Joe Wolverton, the John Birch Society’s constitutional scholar, as well as the president of Western Islands
publishing. And they just have some fantastic new things coming out. I’ve just
noticing at Western Islands the other day, the price that you guys have on books.
I’m like, was that even that cheap when it was brand new? Some of these reprints
that you guys have going on. If somebody wants to build their Liberty Library, they
need to go check out Western Islands right now. So I’m just really pleased to have
you. Thank you, Dr. Wolverton, for joining us. I wanted to – I appreciate it. I
wanted to draw people’s attention to your two newest books that you put together.
I’m going to show them right now on the screen. We have your biography on James
Madison, which I think is really important because it seems like when we talk about
the founding fathers, he’s almost, even though he’s considered and referred to often
as the father of the Constitution, we tend to focus on Jefferson, Adams, and
Washington. And even though it was Madison’s letters in the Federalist Papers that
really offered a lot of the boost towards actually getting the Constitution ratified.
And then I want to get into what you have in by compact, not command. This is a
compilation that you put together and have a forward to on some really important
constitutional documents. And so what I’ve noticed is that this isn’t an insult.
I’m not insulting people in the Liberty Movement, people that consider themselves
constitutionalists, but these perspectives are not perspectives that you get from any
of, you know, most of the different
constitutional classes that are out there or books put out by like American Heritage.
Those types of things, they are from more of a modernist perspective where I believe
you go back to an actual originalist perspective by, and this is a saying that you
say a lot that I just love is going to the source and not drinking downstream. And
so this book by compact and not command is an important book for those that want
to drink from the source and not to get the muddied water downstream. So,
yeah, I completely agree. That was the whole goal of it to,
and people would tell me this as I would go and give presentations about state
sovereignty and about the, how the, you know, the union came about the how the you
know the union came about and how the constitution was a contract among the
sovereign states to create an agent called the federal government everybody would say
yeah there’s no way to there’s no accessible way to read those things and I thought
well we can make now that I’m in charge of a publishing publishing company, you
know, and that’s the thing. Like when Wayne Murrow took over as CEO of the John
Bird Society, he called me and he’s like, I want you to take control of the
publishing because he’s like, I want there to be no impediment between you and your
mind and what you can publish for us and, you know, what you think we need.
And so
instantly it turns to okay we’ve got to first of all resurrect western islands
because when i when i joined the john berg society in 1988 uh i was a freshman at
b yu and i joined the john burst because they had a presentation and um i just
bought i mean i was very obviously poor college student, but I bought the books I
could afford. I think there were like three or four of them that I bought and just
devoured them. And I thought this, you know, and Wayne, our CEO has a saying that
he has, which is, you know, leaders are readers. And so I agree with that
completely. And so I’m like, how can we get, you know, these things that people,
people say to me all the time they’d be like well i’ve never heard of abel upshire
or i’ve never heard of the danger not over or yeah i’ve heard of um the virginia
resolution i have no idea what it is and so i’m like how can we have all of this
great learning john taylor of caroline you know how can we have this great learning
and somehow make it accessible and so like you said i mean i just said i told
wayne i’m like we’re not going to get rich off these books but i want everybody
who wants these books to be able to have these books so we take whatever it costs
us to print them and we just shave the margin right down and we make it i mean
the people over it over at western island
not command just founding era documents on federalism and liberty with i wrote a
little introduction to it and all you got to do is just i you know little
biographies of the guys and jump in there man jump in and say what did what was
jefferson’s understanding of the relationship between the states and the feds well
right there it is what was you know, Abel Upshurst’s understanding. What was John
Taylor of Caroline’s understanding? And the funny thing is been that I was really
shocked by how many people just didn’t even know the basics of this stuff.
Right. Like, I mean, we’re talking people that are constitutionalists or,
you know, MAGA, America first kind of people, but who genuinely are bereft of any
sort of basic understanding of how the Constitution came to be and what it is meant
to be as far as a contract among
sovereign republics. And it’s terrifying. And so I’m hopeful that, Man,
I wish we could, you know, have one of those things where some wealthy person would
take up this book and just, you know, buy thousands of them to send to schools so
that, you know, kids could read these things and really go about changing our
situation, our political situation. You know what I mean? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Well,
Before we get into that, I wanted to start off with your biography of Madison. I’m
going to show that real quick, my copy of it. I always get the hardbacks. If you
guys have hardbacks, that’s what I buy first. I always get the hard backs and,
you know, sent to me. I think they’re slick. They’re really nice. I’m a book snob.
It’s like if it’s got a cloth cover or a leather back, like I’m just like, the
better than that. That’s absolutely right. in that one I just going over so I’ve
got your other one too you’re out of print one that the the real James Madison
hard to find took me forever to get it but I’m so glad you have this one what
are some things that you feel that just kind of bullet I don’t want of good bullet
points because I this is where we have the time to really get into it but what is
something that people that are constitutionalists should know but probably don’t know
about James Madison, some weird fact that would it really help maybe change, you
know, do a real paradigm shift? Yeah, well, I think one of the, there’s two things.
And one of the things that makes this biography so much better than the one the
real James Madison was, and I probably told you that story, so I won’t bug you.
But the real james madison the first one i wrote it uh the publisher wanted me and
and i ultimately did remove most of the references to mr madison’s faith they were
afraid at this time when i published so the the first edition you know the the
real james and that biography sold out in 24 hours so it was gone and I had I
had one box that the publisher the printer had given me and that was it the rest
of them were sold and gone yeah and it was so bizarre because I went over to the
publisher to the house or not house but warehouse because he wanted to show me that
the order had taken place and he’s like they’re all gone and I just had one little
box but but unfortunately for me and that was my that’s my first book and when
they said you know after I wrote the manuscript and they’re like well we’d prefer
you take out the the the frequent references to his faith I did so much much to
my much to my shame right I did
miraculous life and legacy of James Madison that I just wrote. And I get a little
choked up because Madison is, you know, such an important person to me. But I
restored the prominence of his faith to him. He, you know,
one such example, I’ll give you very quickly is his best friend, Billy Bradford.
They graduated from what we call Princeton. They called the College of New Jersey,
but it’s the same place. They graduated from Princeton.
And William Bradford said to James, you know, you can be anything in the world.
You’re the smartest man in the room. No matter what room you’re in, you could be a
preacher, you could be a lawyer, you could be a professor. You could literally do
any, you could be a legislator, what do you want to do? And Madison famously as a,
you know, a 21 year old responds to him and says, it doesn’t really matter what I
do as long as my name is recorded in the annals of heaven. And as long as I
don’t get erased from the Lamb’s Book of Life, then that it doesn’t really matter
what I do. And he comes from a very strong believing background.
And so restoring the preeminence of his,
of his faith was important to me. So I’d say that was the first thing. And the
second thing that I think people would be surprised by is I put,
I restored what they call his Republican letters. So in most biographies of James
Madison, the biographers who are mostly neocons,
they leave out the Republican, so -called Republican letters of the early 1790s
because it paints James Madison as kind of a proto -libertarian,
and they don’t like that. And so they leave that out. But I restore it.
And so he has an essay on property, an essay on immigration,
for example. And I put those, at least I put substantial selections from those in
here because,
I mean, I think, for example, if you’re going to talk about immigration, which is
something we talk about all the time, why not look and see what Mr.
Madison thought about who should we let in and when and why and how many and what
should be the qualifications for immigrants and all of this sort of thing and I
thought that was important and so put that in the book here and most biographies
you won’t find that I mean the biographies that are written in the early 1800s you
do find it but like the I just opened a random page the Pacificus Pelvidius debates
there’s no reason that should be memorized by every school kit because I mean Ben
we’re talking about this is the decision of does I mean you talk about something is
more Timely and timeless. This is the question, does the president?
Now, you think about what just happened a couple of days ago and what has happened
so many times recently. Does the president have unilateral authority to blow up
Venezuelan boats? But I mean, that’s all Pacificus Helviteus is about.
Hamilton’s saying, yes, he does, and Madison’s saying, no, he doesn’t. Now, you say,
but does he? Well, why don’t you read the argument of Ham, and I’m not saying you
have to side with Madison, side with Hamilton if you want to, but do it from an
educated point of view. Take this book, read my account of it,
And then go and go on the Google machine and read the actual Helvidius Pacificus
papers that Madison and Hamilton, you know, fought in the newspapers and see what
you think. Because then, boy, you’re suddenly, you’re self -identifying as a leader
because you can quote chapter and verse that other people,
even professors of American history, are shaky on with regard to Helviteus Pacific
is. But can you imagine being able to say, well, in Helvite is number two, Madison
says, XYZ and people will just be caught flat -footed and not be able to answer
you. And that’s a good thing. Most of them haven’t heard of that, right? Right.
That’s the point. And that’s a good thing. Or When, you know, if someone asked you,
like they just did, I just, I just ended another show, right before I jumped on
with you. And the guy asked me what might take on the immigration and what might
take on the fentanyl boats and all this kind of stuff. And it’s so easy to sit
here and hide behind the skirts of James Madison. I mean, honestly, and I don’t
feel any, I don’t feel embarrassed because of that. I’m like, this is a great man
and I have no problem standing behind great men. And Madison having his arguments
that I happen to agree with. Now, there are things Madison might say that I don’t
agree with it. And I point that out in the book. But when it comes to anything,
there is authority in antiquity. there is authority in your ability to quote the
words of the great men of the past. And it doesn’t, it comes across as being
educated as opposed to being opinionated. Right. Right. If I say James Madison wrote,
that sounds really persuasive. If I say, well, I think, well, who cares what I
think? I mean, really, honestly, you know what I’m saying? It’s like, who cares?
That doesn’t make any, nobody cares. But if I say James Madison said, everybody’s
like, blink, okay, that guy has got legit juice. I want to listen to what Madison
said. Yeah. And so I would anybody, anybody, no, anybody that is interested in a
fuller picture of the life and legacy of Madison because ultimately that’s the kind
of I guess where I wrap it all up at the end is there is no Madison monument in
D .C. But why is there no Madison monument in D .C.?
And if you go to, and you probably have been, I imagine and many of your viewers
slash listeners have been to, you know, see Monticello and you see that Jefferson
left instructions for how his tomb was to, you know,
what was to be etched on his tomb? I don’t know if you’ve ever noticed that. It’s
like author of the Declaration of Independence, author of the Virginia Declaration of
Rights, author of, you know, literally it’s like a whole resume on dude’s tomb i’m
not joking and he jefferson himself in his will says this is what will be written
on my on my tomb do you know what’s written on james madison’s tomb one word
madison
that’s it madison’s almost criminal and so But that gets you into the mind of who
Thomas Jefferson was versus who James Madison.
Precisely. So Madison would not be upset that there’s no Madison monument in D .C.
to him. To him, I think, if we’re able to keep the union together peacefully,
that will be all the monument he requires. Yeah. Not, yeah.
Well, and going back to what you said about his faith, you know, one of the things
that I open a lot of my presentations with is what are the two things that you’re
not supposed to talk about in mixed company, right? Religion and politics.
Right. And I say, well, I’m going to throw that right in. I’m, I cannot separate
those things from my actions. And so even though, like,
in one of our last videos we did was about Lincoln. And I talked about what
Brigham Young said about Lincoln. And, you know, you have people that don’t have the
same opinions of Lincoln, I mean, of Brigham Young that I do. And so they were
like, well, I don’t want to get into the religious aspects. Well, to me, like, that
is vital. Like, it’s not just, I don’t want this to just be one faiths podcast,
but I want everybody involved in it to be able to say, this is where I pull from.
We have William F. Jasper on. I want him to share, you know, I want him to not
leave out his faith as a part of what he’s sharing. And so I think that’s
fantastic. No, and I, as a matter of fact, you know, one of the things, the
December issue of the New American,
The editor, the managing editor, he asked if I could write,
knowing that I’m a Latter -day Saint. He’s like, can you write, well,
an evangelical article written by through a Latter -day Saint prism?
And I’m like, oh, heck yeah, I can do that. Because, you know half my family my
father’s side of my family is not members of the church of jesus christ of latter
-day saints they’re they’re pentecostal and holiness and etc and i really that
resonates with my soul although you know my mom’s side of the family are saints
since the beginning and so it’s like I love that opportunity to be,
I don’t want to say ecumenical in the worst sense of that, but to be inclusive in
the sense that we, like you were talking about with Bill, I love that Bill Jasper.
And for example, I was up in Spokane speaking with Bill,
not too long ago a couple weeks ago i guess and uh he was dropping me back off
at the hotel and and we had a prayer together and we do that every time that
we’re together we end up praying together and of course he he is a traditional
roman catholic and but i enjoy that fellowship and so the The notion that one
should separate one’s faith from one’s politics, I think is fatal because I think
that you end up getting lost in some sort of secularism where you will be blown
about by every wind of doctrine and you will end up not having that attachment to
truth that you certainly are going to need as our society becomes more and more
wicked, you know. And so I think it serves the enemy of all righteousness to trick
us into divorcing our politics from our, from our faith. Yeah.
And it’s, I think you kind of, you said, the worst part of the Ecumenicalism,
right? It’s this balance of we don’t want to be Unitarian, of sorts. But at the
same time, if Bill Jasper has a perspective that’s guided by his faith,
I shouldn’t just ignore it just because it’s not of my faith. That’s ridiculous. And
I would hope that others don’t reject mine just because of my faith. Yeah, bring
all truth unto Zion. Let us let the light of truth, you know, be shown on every
point of doctrine and in every point of dogma and and let us decide for ourselves
you know and at the end of the day i think that’s what it comes down to it comes
down to you know james madison himself and another thing i include in the book or
at least i include excerpts from it is his memorial and remonstrance uh his uh
essay on religious freedom he even refuses to use the word religious toleration he’s
like where do i get the right to tolerate your religion you know i i don’t
tolerate your religion you know you don’t that’s not the right word you have the
right to practice according to the dictates of your conscience and i don’t have the
authority to tolerate or not and so you know he is a great example of that you
believe what you want to believe i’ll believe what i and someday we will know the
truth of all things and it’s my belief that you know christ has made us free and
that we will someday all be equally under uh you know through the blood of the
blood and merits of jesus alone you know and uh so i think that it only helps us
all to share because like you said man if i can learn from from my catholic
brothers brother bring it on i want to learn if they can learn from me i should
hope they and i know that many of them do feel the same way you know i know that
that uh friends that don’t that we’re not co -religionist so to speak that uh that’s
a joke that i i think that word sounds so funny but people use it like co
-religionist you know letter day saints it’s like uh but i think that and i know
for sure that i’ve learned from you know my father’s family who who are Pentecostal,
I’ve learned from them how to be a richer, fuller saint.
And I would hope that they’ve done likewise. They even call me preacher in my dad’s
family because, yeah, they’re just like, when we get together and it’s time for
prayer, then Joey, it’s time for Joey to say the prayer. And they,
you know, love that, that we do that, even though, you know, I’m not Pentecostal or
holiness, but they recognize that there’s just, you know, one Christ.
And I talk and preach of the same Christ. Yeah.
So another thing I wanted to get into with this biography of Madison is its
relevance to today, because too often people think, well, what they maybe avoid
history thinking that it has no relevance to them today. And I, I just love how
you brought out things like Germania and you have Livy, you know, history of Rome
and and even McAvelli’s review of that history. And as you go through those,
to me, I would say that those are just as relevant today as they were when they
were written. It’s almost like you’re reading it from a different, what’s going on
today from a different perspective. So I wanted to get maybe some key things that
are happening today that you would say, James Madison answers the question, you know,
whether it’s the president sending troops to Chicago or L .A. or Portland or some of
the current event. What would you say is the relevance to current events that we
can find in learning about Madison through your biography? Yeah, I would say the
biggest thing. Well, two things, I think. If I sit here and ponder it for a second
without just answering, giving a TikTok answer, I think the first thing is we’ve
already discussed it, the Havidia’s Pacificus debate, because they literally are on
the topic of how much authority the president has over war,
the execution of war, the blowing up of boats, how much authority does the president
have to send in troops to Chicago or Memphis or whatever?
Yeah. How much is there? And so if you, and you can get that on, you know, the
Helvidius pacificus debates i would say that’s the first thing and the second thing
i would say is and this is going to sound odd but just follow along with me here
it’s kind of maybe a bit torturous but if you follow along it’ll make sense so
after the constitution was ratified uh it wasn’t at all clear that Madison was going
to be elected to Congress from his own district because one of his friends was
actually running James Monroe. And so now James Monroe is a couple years younger
than Madison, but he was running against Madison. And so Madison’s friends send him
notes, you know, letters, and we have the letters, and they send him letters saying,
hey, you’re being opposed over here in Orange County,
Virginia, by Mr. Monroe. What are you going to do? And he’s like, we need you to
come out here and sling some whiskey and shake some hands and stuff.
And Madison’s, no I’m not going to do that and so and and his friends were
perplexed and like James if you don’t do that you’re not fixing to be in Congress
and he’s like well if people don’t think that I’m worthy of their vote I don’t I
don’t see how retail politicking does anybody any good.
Basically, he had an aversion to campaigning. And he said, I’m not going to campaign
if they think I’m the best guy. Because back then,
there were no, you know, like you can imagine today and you’ve all voted,
it’ll say, you know, Trump or Madison, whatever, I don’t know.
You know, so you get your, you get your ballot and you, you, you.
Jay Madison and stuck it in the box, or Jay Monroe and stuck it in the box,
or, or, you know, Mickey Mouse or whatever, you just stuck it in the box.
There were no printed ballots that you, you know, would have names and you would
put a mark next to a name or anything like that. And so Madison’s idea was,
well, if they think I’m the best for for the job, they’ll write my name in. If
they don’t, then they don’t. And that’s as simple as that. And so James Monroe,
to his credit, and I put this in the book, James Monroe says to Madison,
well, how about if we do this? How about if we campaign together? How about if the
two opponents, if we do the circuit together and we don’t insult each other.
We simply sit on stage and present our own,
you know, little version of what we think is right. And that way there will be
what did Madison call it, no atom of ill will, A -T -O -M, not an atom of ill will
between the competitors. And so he and Mr.
Monroe traveled throughout Virginia that winter together in a stagecoach making
campaign stops together. I mean, it would be honestly like Trump and Kamala Harris
riding together in a car, getting out not insulting each other getting back in the
car after making their little speeches going back round together and that sort of
understanding of qualification for office then is what i wish we could get back to
that i don’t have to spend a billion dollars right to get my name on a ballot,
man, that I don’t have to. I mean, even in state politics,
you know, talking about over here in Tennessee and wanting to run for the state
Senate, it’s spending, man. You know, you’re looking at hundreds of thousands of
dollars just for the name recognition to be there so that you can have a shot at
being even considered a candidate, a viable candidate.
Yeah, they equate money to seriousness. You’re not a serious candidate because you
don’t have money. Yeah. And so it’s crazy. And I wish, you know,
we could go back to the days where we say,
do you know what? If the people in my district think I’m the best state senator,
then they’ll vote for but that, but when you read about it in, you know, that
this, the account that I put in the book,
you, you realize what,
you know, what we’ve sacrificed by making everything for sale.
You know, we’ve, Madison, his thing was, I won’t buy whiskey and hand it out.
I won’t go around glad handing and begging for a vote. If I’m the best guy,
write my name down. If I’m not write James Monroe’s name down or somebody else, but
I’m not going to, I’m not going to retail politics, you know, and just,
I’m not going to wrap politics up in a like a candy bar you know yeah that’s
awesome so yeah so i you know those two things the halvidius pacific is because it
would really give context to much of what’s going on right now and then the the no
atom of ill will if we could get back to that place where We could disagree
without being disagreeable. Okay,
I want to get into your next book, The By Compact Not Command. And this book is
really important. There’s some articles that recently came out that talk about the
two constitutions where we have the original constitution that’s by compact. And we
have basically the post -Lincoln constitution where it’s by compulsion where you see
every single state post the war between the states has in their state constitution a
requirement that says that or an article that says that you are that they are a
permanent indivisible indivisible from the union which was totally different prior to
that time period because we were like it’s like your book says by compact not
command so tell us about the title why you pick that title and we and i’ve got
some things that i want to bring out and then ask you some questions as well but
kind of talk about that basically just that you you’ve summed it perfectly because
compact meaning the you know the 18th century word for contract these you know the
states all
individually voted whether or not to enter into the union uh it’s very clear in the
constitution and in the convention of 1787 and in the ratifying conventions that if
a state had decided not to join the union and they were left as an independent
sovereign republic federalist 39 makes that very clear as well that there’s no
compulsion here it goes back to you know sydney’s whole thing of there you know
there’s only one legitimate you know form of motive of government and that’s by
consent of the governed otherwise it’s force and force is not legitimate because it’s
not consistent with liberty and so here you have the 13 states saying okay let’s
weigh it see if it’s in our favor to compound some of our interests together.
If it is, then we’ll enter into a contract with each other. And in this contract,
we’ll create an agent who, I mean, if you know even the most basics of agency law,
principle and agency law in England and America, you know that it is a maximum of
Anglo -American law that the agent for its acts to be legitimate must act on behalf
of the best interest of the principle and any act that is against the best interest
of the principle the principles are at or have the authority to refuse to ratify
that Act. And so you apply that to the Constitution. And it suddenly becomes very
easy to understand, Ben. And I think that’s the problem. The problem is once it
becomes the Constitution is a contract, the states are the principles,
the federal government is the agent, the employee created by those principles,
to act on their behalf and only to their benefit, then it becomes easy to
understand when the federal government has ranged outside of its constitutional
authority. And if it does, it’s just like any other employment contract.
The authority of that agent ends at the four corners of the contract,
Right. I have a contract with the John Birch Society. If I go out and start
spewing pro -abortion stuff on, well, they’re going to fire me.
Why? Well, because we have a corporate policy that we are pro -life.
And so if I start doing that, I violate the terms of the contract and I’m fired.
And no one would bat an eye at that. Right.
book that they’re completely forgotten to the point where it almost seems wrong.
When you read these, you’re like, that can’t be right. You know,
I mean, serious. What about one nation undivisible? Right. Right. That’s ridiculous.
Yeah. You know, no founding father would ever, ever be caught dead saying the pledge
of allegiance never it they that was so in nothing much of liberty to sit there
and swear to a an indivisible you know one nation that in fact i mean they even
say that right like the abe de mably says it’s the great advantage of the americans
that they did not confound their 13 republics into one great nation.
Yeah, it’s told the the brainwashing that has gone on. It’s the total. It’s like
they believe that the Declaration of Independence was quaint, but it no longer
applies after you create a new, like how does that even make sense that we support,
you know, we celebrate the 4th of July, but we think that to ever do that same
thing again would be treasonous. It’s insane. Oh, it absolutely. It is.
It’s remarkable, it’s remarkable the way they were able to,
you know, I always joke about that I’m going to write this book, Tyranny for
Dummies, and chapter one is going to be get control of the education. Yeah.
Because if I can teach you the wrong words for things. I’ve got you, man. I have
got you. And so teach, you know, and so we’ve got a how many generations now under
the, under the tutelage of the Prussian Marxists, what, six generations now?
You know, you, you were probably raised in the public schools like I was.
Yeah, me too. and, you know, I had to unlearn a bunch of stuff when I became,
I mean, seriously, you know, people I was a bad enough student. I didn’t have to
unlearn as much as maybe.
People often ask me, like, how did, who taught you all of this? And I’m like,
dude, I, I don’t know. I think I had to teach myself, which was worse. I mean, I
had a couple of good, I had a couple of good professors, Dick Vetterly at BYU who,
boy, open my eyes to things like the Scottish Enlightenment and and Algernon,
Sydney and people like that. But, but, uh, you know, having to unlearn stuff that
my teachers, they didn’t
purposely indoctrinate me in the sense that they knew they were doing evil because
they were told to teach. Yeah, this has been going on for six generations. Yeah.
So this, I just want people to, I just, I mean, if you just read it,
and I, and I chose the books that are in there, the documents, essays, based on,
okay, I want simple ones that I think people might actually read.
So, for example, The Abel Upshur, I think Judge Upshur is such a clear writer that
I think that reading his brief inquiry into the true nature and character of the
federal government, I think blows your mind. I think that I think John Taylor of
Caroline is such a careful writer. But, you know, I started out with the catechism.
Yeah, I was just going to get to that. I was going to ask you about that.
She didn’t have any kids of her own. And so she became the governess of her nieces
and nephews. And she was afraid that they were not going to be taught the correct
nature of the federal union. And so as was the case back then.
And you can go back. And I have a collection of them myself and a lot of people
probably do of these catechisms from early in the you know history of the republic
and this one i just thought boy it is one of the simpler ones that i think is
the most complete because some of them go off on tangents whereas this one i think
miss pinkney was just trying to be concise And I’m like,
oh, boy, I could put that in there. And everybody just loved. I mean, I’ve had
school kids, honestly,
get in touch with me, like, email me and stuff and say, I memorize the political
catechism by Mariah Pinckney. And it’s so cool. And thank you for, you know, that
kind of thing. And that’s all, that’s all you want, you know. Yeah. And that’s
what’s great about this is what I loved about, I was like, as we just talked about
how the enemies of liberty have completely taken over the government school system.
I mean, of course, because it’s the government school system. But this really shows
you how much things have changed. This was basically the understanding of all school
kids. Oh, easy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, like I say, you can go and you can find
tons of these catechisms that were written with the same sort of flair and like i
say none of them to me none of them as concise and direct as as miss pinkneys but
many of them with the same sort of tone and the same purpose yeah because that’s
the way you taught people right you just taught people by question and answer on
whom must Carolina depend on her hour of peril on the descendants of the Patriot
band who achieve the revolution.
That’s basically saying the Declaration of Independence still applies. That’s all she’s
saying there, but in much more powerful way. And so,
you know, it’s one of those things. It’s like that saying Cicero makes you What is
it? Cicero makes you stand and applaud in Demosthenes makes you grab a sword and so
I want to make sure make people want to grab a sword, you know, and show them
through these documents, through these essays that there is a right way, there is a
wrong way, there is a way we were intended to be, and we can get back to that if
we are willing to do the heavy lifting. Yeah.
Of learning. That’s, you know, the scriptures say that, you know, my people perish
for lack of knowledge. The scriptures are. And so do we want to be a part of the
cause of the perishing because of our lack of knowledge or do we want to use these
materials to be able to secure that problem. And in a recent video that I did, I
actually used your book and I quoted from this political catechism. The third
question, it says, did the states informing the constitution divest themselves of any
part of their sovereignty, right? Did we create a new nation that, and so now each
one of these individual nations gave up their sovereignty? The answer is of not a
particle. So I mean, it goes on into more detail than that, but just of not a
particle, not one, you know, minuscule amount of it, not one atom of their
sovereignty was given up by joining the union. Yeah, and this blew someone’s mind,
Ben, just, I guess, what was, what is today, Tuesday? So the other day,
I was on a podcast, and the host, I guess,
was trying to trapped me and said, well, what, what is,
what does, how did he say it? Over what does the federal government have
sovereignty? And I said, nothing.
The federal government has zero sovereignty because the word sovereignty implies that
there’s no one above. And there is always an authority above the feds the feds have
no original sovereignty and this is blue this dude’s mind he’s like well with an
idea like that you can’t have immigration laws i’m like right yeah yeah you got it
he’s like well that’s crazy how are you going to keep people i’m like have you
heard a property have you heard you know have you heard of state government Texas
you know the governor sent dudes down there to protect do do your thing you know
if you’re a private property owner secure your property man there’s there’s the word
immigration doesn’t appear in the constitution and this guy and so you just pointed
it out that but imagine if that if we could teach that Ben And I know you
obviously do, and I can’t thank you enough for all that you do because good grief,
man. You are quite an excellent blow torch of liberty.
I’m not just blowing smoke up your skirt. You are such a powerful force for good
and, you know, echoing and broadcasting this consistently.
but imagine if we could do that man imagine if you could stand up in a first
grade class in I forgot where you I know you live in Utah but in wherever you
live in Lehigh for the sake of discussion and say you know do the states informing
the Constitution divest themselves of any part of their sovereignty of not a particle
this was for a little kid. This is written for a third grader. I’m not kidding.
I have this book here. Let’s see. Right here. This book is called The Scholars
Companion, okay? Do you see it here? Yeah. It’s published in 1858,
okay? And it’s supposed to be for like what we would consider third graders. And
it’s your, all your Latin and Greek root words that you’re supposed to memorize so
that you can tell what a word means without knowing what that word means,
right? If someone uses the word U -T -O -R, if someone used the word T -U -R -B -A,
you know the source of that in Greek or Latin and you can be intelligent.
This is for third graders, what we would call third graders. To think that we, you
know, to think that we’re so much smarter now than the pumpkins from 100 years ago,
which is just insanity. It shows how well they’ve done at dumbing us down,
literally. Oh, that.
And, you know, I don’t know about you, But when I was in third grade, it was, you
know, rubbish. Garbage pill kids. I mean, it was Encyclopedia Brown.
But here we’ve got stuff like, L .E, you know, L -E -X means law.
So you know if this word is used, legislature, it means something to do with the
law. Anyway, my point is, we can, children can understand this stuff if we present
it to them uh richard price and i know you know that name because you know the
founder’s recipe but richard price famously in his uh sermon on the importance of
the american revolution he’s in 1790 he said uh enlighten men and you will elevate
them And so you can take the smallest child,
and he can be nine years old, understanding Greek and Latin. He can be nine years
old understanding the Mariah Pinckney’s political catechism.
If you hold him to that standard, if you hold him to the encyclopedia Brown
standard, that’s where he’s going. But you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. You will
rise to the level of the challenge. And right now, we don’t challenge our people,
man. We don’t challenge our people. And we need to. And that’s, you know, me and
you. I know you do. I’m preaching to the choir, to the converted. The royal weed,
right? The royal we. Yeah, the royal we. All of us need to, I mean,
what did I do last night? Last night, just for an example, right, of how everybody
needs to always be learning. I was going back, every year I reread all the books
from Founders’ Recipe, right? And so I was on Grocious,
I was reading Grocious, and he references something from the Aeneid. No, I don’t
have the Aeneid memorized, man. Like Grocious has it memorized, and he’s like, he’s
like, oh, you know how King’s so and so in the Aeneid and I’m like no I don’t
know but I do have a copy of the Aeneid so I go to the library my you know I
go to my bookshelf I pull off the Aeneid what do I discover there I follow the
reference that he uses in in his book and I discover how in the Aeneid one of the
kings is so destructive of the peace and prosperity of his people, that his people
turn on him and run him out of town. Now, why did Grosius mention that?
Well, Grosius mentions it because he said, ultimately, that’s the right that all of
us have. If a government becomes destructive of our life,
liberty, and property, then it is our natural right to rid ourselves of that
government, right? Just like he says, and it’s not a great secret, he says,
because look, it happened in the Aeneid, you know, written by Virgil. And it’s like,
I’ll be danged. That’s exactly what it says in book eight of the Aeneid,
line 494, they chased the king off the throne because he’d become he had used his
power to destructive ends and that’s what we need to do ben we need to be all of
us anxiously engaged in learning all the time and if we do that we you know you
catch fire with it like you know because you are so good at it man i don’t i
seriously Sometimes I talk to people about you because I’m like, I don’t know how
this dude does it. Like you stay on the grind all the time.
And it’s one thing. And I mean, maybe this is, you know,
opening the kimono too much. But it’s one thing to say, Joey does it because I,
that’s my job. you know what I mean that’s that’s my nine to five and I’m blessed
blessed beyond my worthiness that my passion and my job are the same thing but
that’s not true of everyone and so you you stay on this grow out of love of
liberty love of moving the needle of trying to set this people free and you know
you will in no wise lose your reward he who sees you will reward you and i hope
you understand that and know how many of us there are that really respect what you
do that means a lot really i mean a lot thank you i mean It’s not,
and that’s not just lip service. There’s, you know, we, it’s one of those things.
It’s like if I had my druthers and if I were, you know, Jeff Bezos,
we’d all be living a different life with, you know, but as it is,
as it is, you will be rewarded by he who sees in secret. Thank you.
It reminded me of some of the stories you just told there about another story you
told in another time about James Madison’s commonplace book as a young youth and the
things that he wrote in there. And then what was required of him to enter into
Princeton. And so just I think it’s relevant to both the books that we’re talking
about and the importance of building our understanding and not being right the not
being the cause of our downfall because of our ignorance tell our the viewers and
listeners what what was in madison’s commonplace book as a youth and what were the
requirements for him to get into princeton yeah so in one of the first things that
i so i started collecting madison’s papers and you know i had to do it slowly at
first because they’re kind of spendy and and before i started before i started
practicing law i would just buy one here one there and um i noticed that at a
very young age he was taking notes in latin and greek and i’m like that is crazy
by young we’re not talking like 18 right No, like 9, 10. You know,
you had an annotation from when he was like, I think he was 14. And it said
something like, okay, enough being a boy, I’ve got to settle down and be a man
now. At 14, you know, he’s like, enough playing cards and enough hanging out with
my friends. It’s time to realize that God has some great mission for me to perform
and I’ve got to settle down and get it done. And you’re just like, whoa.
And so when you go and you can go to, uh, uh, see what page is it here,
page 10 of the Madison miraculous life and legacy, it says in August 1769,
when he was 17 years old, Madison enrolled at the College of New Jersey.
Today it’s called Princeton. He was an excellent student known by his peers as
someone who devoted himself more to learning than to any other endeavor. Young James
was right to worry about his studies. Enrolling at a university didn’t necessarily
mean one would be accepted to the university. All students were required to take an
entrance exam. To be formally accepted, James was required to demonstrate,
now this is all quotations from their instructions to him, that they would have sent
him in advance, the ability to write Latin prose, translate Virgil,
Cicero, and the Greek Gospels, and have a commensurate knowledge of Latin and Greek
grammar. To give a rational account of the Greek and Latin grammars to read three
orations of Cicero and three books of Virgil’s Aeneid translate the first ten
chapters of the Gospel of John from Greek into Latin.
Now, there is not a single professor at BYU who could do that.
Let alone a student. Yeah, let alone I was 17 -year -old.
Madison not only did that, but he finished all four years of college in two years.
Now, at Princeton, James found the freshman year lessons too easy and requested
permission from the president of the university, John Witherspoon, to take tests that
would allow him to skip the first year classes and go straight into classes for
sophomores. Witherspoon was surprised to see someone so small and so frail,
behaving so bravely, but he gave Madison permission to take the exams and skip
freshman year if he passed them all. In a letter to his former tutor,
Thomas Martin, Madison revealed his readiness to apply him to his studies he said
the near approach of the examination occasions a surprising application to study on
all sides i am perfectly pleased with my present situation and the prospect before
me however terrible it must sound has nothing in it talking about college and he
did two four years of college in two years without any shortcuts he had to do
everything as if it you know yeah as if it were all four years they didn’t give
him any shortcuts and he says he survived by his quotation is the minimum of sleep
and the maximum of application surely because madison came from a wealthy family that
got them the most expensive tutors
No. And that’s the thing, man. People think that the founding fathers were well.
I mean, I guess yeah, they were wealthy in the sense that they had a ton of land,
but cash poor for sure. They couldn’t, you know, they couldn’t lay their hands on
money. His father to have money for anything had to work really hard in the field
and had to make the trip down to the docks and had to negotiate. And there was
no, you know, no notion of it being wealth the way we know it.
So thank you. I want to recommend and encourage everyone. There will be a link in
the description and in the article of this video on our website. Encourage you to
all of our viewers to get both of these books. Also, If you guys haven’t picked
up, and we talked about this in the past, the founder’s recipe, you’ve got to get
that. If you don’t homeschool, it doesn’t matter. Just get it for you so that you
know exactly the ingredients that it took to build a free society. Also,
what degree of madness? Folks need to get that. And then your Article 5 book as
well, all available at shopjBS .org. Thank you so much.

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The importance of discrimination and that might sound weird to folks, but hopefully it makes sense after we’re done tonight. And it’s a focus of the conspiracy is this attack on discrimination. And so we have to understand we have to ask ourselves that question that’s going to bring up a lot tonight is, you know, sometimes we don’t have available information to answer the question fully.

We’re going to introduce the answer. I think we have the answer to this pretty well, but just in general, I want to help us to understand the principle. Even if we don’t have it, we can identify a problem. If the conspiracy is focused on something, even if we don’t understand why they’re focused on it, we can say if they’re focused on it, that means it’s important to them, and we need to start digging why is it important to them? Why are they focusing on it, either for good or for evil, because they do not attack or promote something positively without an agenda, without a purpose behind it. And so why is this such a big thing?

I’m going to get more into it. And this really breaks down to the important, you know, helping us to understand the principle of freedom of association and freedom of speech. The government should to interfere positively or negatively with our ability to associate freely or with each other or to force us to associate with people or to silence our speech, to do anything that would make it so we would not be able to say something or to force us to say something. ‘Cause both ways are going on now, We see these things and so these are things that are controversial, right?

Well, this is kind of a little bit more funny Like this is a bus sign that says no riders unless you’re a brunette blonde or a redhead everybody else were banning To give rides to This one is help wanted the Irish need not apply. So this was something a business said, you know We want some employees, but if you’re Irish, we have no desire to associate and to work with you to have you as an employee This one is because colored only, no whites allowed. So this was a business that said we are only going to cater to colored. And we have this one, no dogs, Negroes, or Mexicans, kind of an interesting combination there. It’s interesting they start more of the other than the other two, that’s a little interesting. But that’s what they decided to have for their business. Probably a butcher shop.

And We have Catholics in this place, you know, the other one said we want workers, but no Irish, this one says we need workers. But if you’re Catholic, we don’t want to do anything. We don’t want anything to do with you. And so this might come as a shock, but you know what, I say thumbs up to all these, you know, not that, not that all these are all things that I would do. But I’ve got no problem with working with Irish, for example. But But we all have the freedom right if somebody said you know no six foot tall white guys can shop in my store I’d be like hey you know that stinks for me I can’t go in there but I do not want to interfere with your ability to associate with those that you want to associate with this is not a bad thing.

Okay, we need to get We all discriminate in one way or another every single day. When we decide which grocery store to go to, we’re discriminating by not going to all the grocery store options. We’re discriminating, okay? We’re saying we are choosing one of them and we’re saying no to the rest. So instead of saying, right? The other one said, no riders unless you’re blonde, we’re saying no groceries unless it’s at Walmart or Safeway or you know whatever it is. And so we’re discriminating. We’re saying no to the others.

The same thing when we go to buy something, right? If it’s food, we’re buying a can of carrots, we’re saying no to the other things that we’re not buying. If we don’t buy everything in the store, we’re discriminating. But nobody would say that you’re crazy or that you’re evil or that you’re mean or that you’re, you know, bad Because you chose to not shop somewhere or because you chose not to buy something. Those are just preferences, right?

We go through the the dictionary. What that means is what is discrimination the act of distinguishing The act of making or observing a difference a distinction as the discrimination between right and wrong Anybody calls that you know bad kind of unreasonable and they say so distinguishing discernment discrimination Discernment, the act of discerning, also the power or faculty of the mind, by which it distinguishes one thing from another as truth from falsehood, virtue from vice, acuteness of judgment, power of perceiving differences of things or ideas, and their relations and tendencies.

The errors of youth often proceed from the want of discernment. We have judgment, the act of judging, the act or process of the mind in comparing its ideas to find their agreement or disagreement and to ascertain truth or the process of examining facts and arguments to ascertain propriety and justice or the process of examining the relations between one proposition and another.

Okay, so We have these things that people say we shouldn’t do but when you look at what these things are No reasonable person would disagree with us or say that we don’t all do these things every single day Okay, no when we say we’re discriminating against something we don’t like something. I don’t like chocolate doesn’t mean I’m gonna go in the store and Destroy all the chocolate bars Now my That just means my wife gets more chocolate, okay? So when we don’t like something, doesn’t mean we’re gonna destroy it.

When we’re discerning, even if it’s not that we don’t like it, we just don’t want it. Doesn’t mean, just ’cause we don’t want it, doesn’t mean we wanna destroy it, right? That there’s a difference between actual physical harm and just not associating, okay? That’s, these aren’t the same thing. And that’s what the conspiracy wants to promote as the idea If you don’t like something, if you don’t want to associate it, that means you want to destroy it, and that’s a false idea that we have to reject and ignore.

So what it just means is no thanks, right? I’m not in your cult. I don’t want any part of that. No, thank you. It’s all that it means. And the Muhammad Ali did a video discussing this topic when it comes to discrimination that we’re hearing more and um being focused on in the media today and so I wanted to play this this clip from Muhammad Ali I think he makes some really good points and because he’s black it’s he can say these things without getting in trouble apparently apparently if you have any colleges here and out here can’t tell what’s saying oh okay on the it is so muffled okay we’ll fix that

Because let me tell you something if you have any colleges here where black people go to college have an assembly or something and watch and see all the jamaikers are the trinidadians or westerns they’re just naturally tuned together everybody like we do this on you see some blue birds going this way red birds flying this way they might get all mixed up but they’ll all come out together and see the tigers with the tigers the monkeys with the monkeys the lions with the lions the giraffes with the giraffes they’re all animal cats but they got different hangouts you see the eagles over here the pigeons over here the buzzards over here the the all -type blue birds the red birds the owls they all are birds but they got different little cultures you got your English talking your English food, and you and the man in Germany are both brothers, but your cultures are different. You and the man in Russia are even more different yet.

I was in the Zaire home of my brothers, but the food and the way to talk with the dance, I was when I’m not home. Do I get back to Harlem to the brothers? Yeah, baby. So you understand, ain’t nothing wrong with wanting to be with your own kind. What’s wrong with me wanting to be with my kind?

So that’s a key principle that is, as he pointed out, I would dare say is a natural law. He pointed that out with just observing nature. When you observe nature, you observe this idea.

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So I had this, I’m telling you, I’m covering everything that everyone else was, but originally I had this as a lowercase B and an uppercase B.
Beauty, beauty, lowercase beauty, uppercase beauty, there’s a difference.
But then I have a video on YouTube, princesses versus queens, so I changed that.
But it’s beauty.
I mean there’s grand beauty and there’s simple beauty.
I’ll explain it.
So I think of this.
Princess, I tell my stepdaughter, you are a princess now.
We are teaching you how to be a queen.
When you go out into the world, I expect you to be a queen.
But right now, a princess.
And this is all normal.
They think about their face and fitness, and that’s great.
Everyone should go on a hike and be mindful about their health.
The food they take in, their body.
Their body is getting pretty awesome.
It feels good.
Finesse, flirting, being charming.
But they’re also demanding.
And they’re out to get, and compete with other women.
I actually have no problem with that.
That’s how life is.
But they forget that there should be an end to this.
Like, you have this power as a little princess to get the best king you can and then grow up.
So I think that princesses learn and gain from Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, public education, TVs and movies.
That’s how we learn how to be a princess.
But what about a queen?
I mean, I just named some things.
Frugality and finances.
I wasn’t raised to understand money at all.
I was raised poor.
So I am afraid to spend money.
And sometimes not.
I don’t have a great relationship with money.
And I’m working on it because I’m a grown-up, self-responsibility.
But I wish someone had done that.
We do this thing with our daughter.
We give tickets to try to teach about finances.
So everything she does that’s good, she gets a ticket for a currency, and then she gets to spend it.
So five tickets is 20 minutes on her tablet.
Twenty-five tickets is meal of her choice prepared by her.
She likes to cook.
But I mean, we cook with her.
And one of the things, and I actually think that there’s a lot of adults who could use this.
We give her a ticket for saying excuse me out in public.
So one day at the grocery store, she just got in everyone’s way just to say excuse me.
And she gained a lot of tickets.
I don’t care.
I want her happy to say excuse me.
If she says thank you to someone holding the door, she gets a ticket.
Because she’s oblivious.
She’s fine.
She’s seven.
She’s oblivious.
But I want her to start to think about the currency.
And you have to be a good person to get something.
And then you can spend it.
But you have to be right.
If she gives a compliment, she gets two tickets.
No, three tickets.
So it’s really cute to watch her because she used to be really shy about it.
But she went up to a woman, she’s like, I really like your shoes.
And the woman’s like, oh, thank you.
But she has no social skills, so she just stood there staring at her.
Like, I’m just going to let this plan out.
Because they’re really red and they’re really shiny.
Okay, great.
Well, that’s why I bought them.
And then she comes up to me, she’s like, I get my tickets.
And I don’t care.
I want her.
I want her civil.
And I want her to be of service because that feels good.
Fidelity, we don’t talk about that a lot.
Family, cooking.
I can’t believe how many women don’t want to cook.
But you know what?
If men said that it was like a man’s thing, women would be rioting in the streets.
Because they can cook too, you know?
To think about the future.
Have fortitude.
To respect the man of the house and the father.
To maintain the house if it’s good.
If it’s not, make it better.
Honor the masculine.
Give homage to the feminine.
Be a mother to your children.
Be a mentor to young women.
So it has struck in me lately that whatever you want to be when you grow up, you want to be an engineer, you want to be an orthodontist, you want to be a dog groomer, a teacher, you can go and give a lot of money to someone to teach you to do that.
But the one thing that most women will be in service of is a household, a husband, and a family.
Who’s teaching that?
Only you.
Only you can teach that.
Princess versus queen.
Princess, they can get that anywhere.
Queen, from a mother, from a mentor.
In my estimation, this is an opinion piece.
Oh yeah, I like this.
Okay, so as I said to you, it would be really great, I think, if you went out into the world, did whatever you wanted to do, be your unique self.
But this little fence post, when you are strong with conviction, you just stand firm.
Have any of you ever seen the video about the first follower?
So, yeah, it’s good, right?
Okay, so every revolution, every party, everything needs a leader, but the other person that’s so courageous is the first follower.
So there’s this video, I should have put it up, of this guy.
And he’s at this, it looks like a Woodstock.
And it’s a big grass…
And he is just rocking like the hardest dancing you’ve ever seen ever.
And then another person finally, after like five minutes of this dude dancing alone, he starts rocking with him.
And then it’s hundreds of people.
Because you need that.
I mean, no one wants to be by that crazy dude unless there’s two crazy dudes, you know?
And then it’s not such a stupid thing after all.
So when I think of offense.
Okay, so you have the leader and then the first follower.
And what is important from then on, and especially the third person, is now we’re going to decide where our organization is going to be.
So we have one person, two person.
Are we going to create a force field of protection for this?
I like this.
We’re going to have a first person, and a second, and a third, and we’re all strong, and now we have a community.
And now we’re really, really strong.
And we have the wherewithal and the intensity to keep the bad out, the evil.
And the knowledge and strength from each other to know who is going to be the person that’s going to join with us in unity.
And I’ve been thinking about mentorship because I want all of you and me to be a mentor.
But honestly, sometimes we’re not ready to be a mentor.
So I think another thing that could be helpful is if you—
I want to say demand, but—
If you would awaken the possibility of mentorship within another.
Like I want to be a good wife.
So if I can find a woman who’s been married for a long time and say, would you be…
They do that in everything.
You know, you have a mentorship in business and you want to stay sober and you want to be right and you want to do this.
And I just got involved in the church.
But they don’t really do that with relationships.
So what if we could say, Sally, you’ve been married for 10 years, 20 years, 50, I don’t care.
And your husband is really happy, you seem really happy.
Can I, can you, will you teach me?
Can I call you when I want to yell at my husband?
Yes, yes, call me, woman, don’t yell at your husband.
I bet they would do that.
I… I… oh no, I thought that I forgot to say something.
I did.
That’s okay, I’m going to say it right now.
I was itching to talk about fashion when—
When the guh… guh…
What were they?
Guzzies.
When the Guzzies were up.
Because my husband and I recently did this.
We made a pact.
Where if we leave the house for longer than 30 minutes, we have to dress up.
Or leave the hotel room for longer than 30 minutes, we have to dress up.
So we have been doing that.
And I just want to tell you about that experience.
Because I would just wear whatever.
Whatever’s comfortable.
And so would he.
But when we decided to do this—
Well, first of all, I believe in civility.
Oh, dear.
I believe in civility.
But when I put nice clothing on, I feel far more civil.
I’m thinking about how I’m flowing and moving.
And so is he.
And he feels more dignified, so he acts more dignified.
Now, here’s what’s cool about, from my experience—
You do whatever you want, but I’m just telling you about my experience.
When we go out, we are—
I can see everyone like this.
It’s a bit like when we’re in the produce section.
And I’m feeling avocados.
There’s people.
And many people will stop and say, did someone get married?
What do you do for a living?
Are you famous?
We’ve gotten that?
It’s crazy.
I mean, in a sane and beautiful lowercase b, uppercase B, princess queen, we wouldn’t be stopped because it’d be the norm.
But have you ever seen those benches?
They’re like, if you’re looking at this, your advertising dollar could go a long way if you advertise at this bench.
So I feel like we’re an advertisement.
Okay, here’s my cool story.
We were out to brunch.
And I was facing this way.
And right here is an eight-top of women.
And my husband is right across from me.
And I’m cold like I always am.
And he got up to use the restroom.
And he put his coat on me.
I didn’t ask.
He put his coat on me.
He was in the restroom.
When he came back, we decided that we were ready to go.
So I got up.
And I was done with the coat because I wasn’t cold anymore.
And I put it on him like I always do.
I always put his coat on him.
He puts his arm out.
We walk out.
And it’s a big, you know, the garage doors at the hip, little restaurants now.
And you can see out into the sidewalk.
He always has me walk on the inside.
So he like moves me to the inside and we walk off.
And he said, did you see the women at that eight-top?
I said, no.
He said that every single one of them stopped what they were doing to watch our interaction.
So even the women who are facing away, you know, are like watching what we’re doing.
And I said, I hope and I think that that will change one of them.
To awaken them to the possibility that, oh, that looked kind of nice.
You see, he put his coat on her because she was cold.
Well, maybe I want that.
Okay, well, you know what?
I want that.
That looks pretty good.
But I’ve never put a jacket on a man.
Well, maybe I need to do some things.
Maybe I need to act a little bit more civil to get civil.
There’s a woman, and it’s funny because when I say self-responsibility, sometimes all it takes is imagination.
I always say that Little House on the Prairie could never—
Google would never be invented by anyone in the Little House on the Prairie time.
Because they didn’t have the imagination for it.
In order to get to there, you have to have sneaky paths where you can look back and be like, oh, that was cool, that was cool, that was cool, and now here I am.
So sometimes you have to have the imagination.
This is how ding-dongy I was years ago.
There was a woman that I worked with at a restaurant.
And we had a work meeting.
And it was her day off.
So she comes in, and she is like to the nines.
She looks so good.
And I said, Bree, do you have another job?
She’s like, no.
I said, oh, did you, like, were you as a doctor?
You look really good.
She’s like, no, I just like to dress like this.
And I couldn’t believe it.
That I had the right, like, she could—
Wait a minute, she just leaves the house for no reason looking like that?
Well, maybe I can do that.
And then I did, you know?
Like, and I can’t believe it took courage for me to leave my house looking well.
I mean, just saying it right now, I can’t believe it.
But I had to give myself permission.
I’m like, well, Bree can do it.
If Bree can do it, I can do it.
And then I did do it.
And maybe I’ve—
Maybe I’ve stimulated the mind of another woman to do that.

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One of you mentioned the Scottish Enlightenment era and that’s a really important era

One of the books is actually in my book Invasion

We reprinted it from the 1600s called Killing No Murder and I’m working on another one from that same era called Mene Tekal, or The Downfall of Tyranny

Those two books really bring in some principles of natural law

They define what a tyrant is

They define what is the godly response

It goes through the scriptures through the Old Testament New Testament and shows what is the godly person’s response to a tyrant

What is a godly definition of a tyrant

What does that mean for us

That era I love that era

The Founding Fathers read a lot of that stuff and so I just want people to know that yes that is something that is in the book and then we’re reprinting another book from that era that really is just vital reading for us to be able to actually start to go on the offense

I appreciate you bringing up that era

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Yeah Ben the government indoctrination is strong and it’s been around for a long time

Every generation it seems to be dumbed down more and more and more and more

Well I was just going to say that not only are they dumbing us down which is 100 true the schools now are you know they tell you to write the major newspapers New York Times for the fifth grade reading level because that’s what and I guarantee you people that you know dropped out in fifth grade aren’t reading the New York Times

So that tells you what these college graduates are reading levels are

But they’re also mixed that the education system with they’re pumping us full of psychotropics

And so they’re like

Oh you’re misbehaving

You can’t sit still for eight hours straight and you’re a little boy here here’s some drugs you know

Oh you’re sad because somebody was mean to you

Here’s some more drugs

And so they’re they’re controlling you know it leads to mind control

And then they they teach you how to think instead of I mean they teach you what to think instead of how to think

And so with the manipulation of the teaching mixed with the psychotropics they’re creating zombies out there to be able to be good little foot soldiers for the new world order

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Mary: Today’s presentation is an interview with Alan Scholl talking about the history of homeschooling in America. Please enjoy and please share. This is Mary Banoit. Our guest for today’s podcast is Mr. Alan Scholl.

Thank you for being with us today, Mr. Scholl.

Alan: Thank you for inviting me.

Mary: Mr. Scholl will be participating in several podcasts to discuss the many different aspects of the educational system. The emphasis for today is homeschooling. But before we delve into
homeschooling, Mr. Scholl, would you give us a brief history a public education and how it has degenerated to its current state?

Alan: Well, American education really started out mostly as homeschooling. Some of it was remoteness, but a good deal of it was the understanding and culture of that day that the responsibility for education, and particularly from the biblical perspective, was the responsibility of parents, not of government. Even the local community, unlike Hillary Clinton’s village concept, really didn’t participate in education beyond some cooperative efforts. So public education really began as sort of a cooperative, neighborhood, town schools run by various combinations of parents and local officials.

And the basis, or the bedrock for it, was the basic belief in Christian fundamental belief in practice, and that standard of living was really the core around which most of the curriculum was built. The public school system, as we know it, has really been impacted, and actually I think invented, by people who were more statist in their viewpoints, and their goals, or what they wanted to achieve through it, was a conversion to government as parent as well as educator in America.

Along with that unfortunately came the destruction of parental rights and again faith and the culture itself. Traditional cure for problems with education came from other authorities from the Bible, from historical examples. The hierarchy that was taught and the way that things were taught, the framework that it was put in was that God was premier, man was under God, and government, if even in the picture, was sort of a distant third.

But this is borne out by many of the textbooks. This is not my opinion or some view of history. If you look at Webster’s Dictionary, for example, or Webster’s History of the United States, You see the same philosophies underpinning and intertwined with all of the learning. The blue -backed speller, for example, was one of the most popular school books used in early schools, and these were even the “public schools” or “community schools.” That blue -backed speller sold over a million copies a year for over a hundred years. And right up in the front of that book was a moral catechism, a rule for moral conduct that is that God’s Word contained in the Bible has furnished all necessary rules to direct our conduct. This is perfectly in keeping with John Adams’ concept of our government, or our constitution, being made for immoral and religious people.

Mary: Today, of course, we have the Bible, prayer, 10 commandments, all these things are banned by government, and the system has degenerated further and further and faster and faster as time passed, both in performance and effect, but it’s also resulted in moral decay and a departure from
our heritage and culture. If one is a parent and feels that public education just isn’t right for their child, what options does the parent have?

Alan: Well, there are several options. Certainly private schools, parochial schools, Christian schools, and homeschooling. Each alternative has its own unique pluses and minuses. Private schools, parochial schools, in schools generally cost a fair amount of money and of course we don’t all realize it but we’re paying a huge amount of money to have our kids go to the public school through taxation. If you calculate that out you’ll find in various states it runs anywhere from on the cheap side three to four thousand dollars a year in many states like Wisconsin it’s nine to twelve or
fourteen thousand dollars a year per student. My wife and I have talked about the fact that we could probably teach European history in Europe for what it costs to teach the average public school student for a year.

Mary: Homeschooling also has a drawback economically in that you’re just about forced down to one income in today’s economy with inflation, and we won’t go into the economic reasons for that, but one income is difficult to carry a standard of living on. However, the sacrifice that you make there, I think, is well worth it in terms of the returns from homeschooling. What’s the estimated number of home school students in America today?

Alan: Well, I’m going to go back a little bit. When my family began homeschooling some 20 years ago, it was considered quite odd. Homeschooling was looked at as a very strange thing and why would one want to do that. Many people had already been sort of dumbed down to believe that public schools were what had always been. That’s very strange actually because home education, as I explained earlier, was by far the norm for nearly 200 years in this country. There were very few public schools back in those early days, but homeschooling was really a reaction to the impact of the
effects of those public schools and the degeneration of the public schools. Twenty years ago when we started, there were very few home scholars. But it’s mushroomed and it continues to increase at something around a 29 % per year increase.

And this year, excuse me, 29 % over the last four years. And this year, this last year, I’m sorry, 2005, the percentage nationwide of the national student body was around 2 .2 % of American students were being schooled at home.

Mary: What do you give some examples of home schoolers and how their education has helped them excel in their studies and in their life?

Alan: That’s easy to do. You really only need to look at SAT scores for home schoolers compared to almost any other system. And the Average percentile, for example, is in the 74th percentile on the National Standard Test, which is the ACT, SAT, and others. This is opposed to approximately a 50 % level in results from the public school system. But above and beyond that, there are some tremendous examples of homeschool students who excel in many arenas. For example, the National Geography Bee, three of the top five finishers in that National Geography Bee were home school products and you consider that 2 .2%. That’s an amazing accomplishment in the national spelling bees and many other arenas. You see home schoolers who are far and away superior to the students that are being produced by the public schools or even a lot of the private schools.

I’ll point out one glaring example. Liberal opponents of homeschooling often talk about the underprivileged and disadvantaged in the public schools being the reason for lower scores. But April 5th, 2001, a headline in the Southern California papers read “Homeless Teen Scores 800 and 800 on the verbal and mass sections of the SAT test. These were, in fact, if you’re not familiar with the test, perfect scores. And what the qualified, certified, government -sealed and approved teachers in the school have not been able to accomplish in history, his mother, a homeless, or at least was
homeless, parent, accomplished through homeschooling. This young man was not only homeless and very, very poor, but he was home schooled. Perfect scores. That’s an amazing feat.

Mary: That is amazing. Now, I, being home schooled myself, was often asked if homeschooling is even legal and if my parents had to get special permission from the state to teach their children at home. What kind of laws are out there that either help or hinder the homeschooling families across America?

Alan: Well, it’s improved quite a bit in terms of the homeschooling environment today. It is legal to home school in some way or shape or form. There are loopholes of some sort in all of the 50 states. 20 years ago, that was not true. Most of the states, I think 41 of the states had some sort of law against schooling at home. Groups like the Home school Legal Defense Association and others have fought very, very valiantly and done a wonderful job of reversing that, and it is legal in all 50 states.

However, there are an array of laws in this area, mostly having to do with truancy or federal compliance with attendance, state laws on attendance and performance levels, and now there are federal laws encroaching regarding curriculum, funding, attendance.

The danger here is that homeschooling parents in private schools often flee the government school systems because of the problems there and the lack of results, and the lack of freedom only to run afoul of these requirements when they teach or practice the same things at home or fail to in their private schools or home schools.

This flies in the face of freedom of education and freedom in general.

Mary: So the state
certainly doesn’t make it easy for parents to home school. Why is that?

Alan: Well, as in all circumstances, where government becomes too large, too powerful, and begins usurping rights and getting their nose into areas where they really weren’t intended
to be, particularly in this country, under the Constitution. Government and power -mongers of any kind don’t like competition for their power. Good comparison is to look at schools in the terms of the philosophy they may or will likely teach. We all expect a Christian school is going to teach Christian principles, so we’re not surprised if a Baptist school turns out kids that have Baptist doctrine faith and belief. We’re not surprised if you go to parochial school and come out with a Catholic doctrine and a belief in the Catholic way of life, yet we’re very surprised and I don’t know why we would be when children are put through a government school system that has eliminated all forms of belief other than government and they come out with a bias towards government as a solution for all their problems and the way to live their life and the source of all of their solutions.

Mary: Our parents getting creative and finding ways to overcome state regulations for homeschooling And what tools are available for those who wish to pursue homeschooling?

Alan: Oh yes, parents not only are getting creative, they’re increasingly different methodologies available in different ways.

Some are somewhat of a mousetrap. You have to be a little bit careful of the subsidized state subsidized or public school subsidized homeschooling systems. Generally they require you to teach the same curriculum and adhered to the same standards and rules, which are often the reason you’re fleeing the public school. However, there are myriad different curriculum’s available, from complete curriculums to sort of a cafe or buffet, if you will, of many different textbooks and workbooks and video and audio systems.

As far as overcoming state regulations, many parents, For instance, in the state of Wisconsin, register their homes as a private school. That’s the loophole here. That pretty much takes away the state interference. As long as you fill out the forms and comply with those requirements and indicate that you’re going to teach a certain minimum number of days a year, you can home school. But that also adds to that 2 .2%, because those kids go down on the records as private school kids.

Mary: So, if you add those across the country into the mix, it’s my belief that the total number of kids that are really taught at home, at least to some extent, is probably closer to four million or almost double that 2 .2. Now, you have home schooled all of your children, correct?

Alan: Yes, all seven. Can you, so you can discuss this with a good deal of authority. What have you found to be the greatest benefit in homeschooling your own children. Well the education is great and we’ve talked a lot about the results but really I think the spiritual and the character issues are the most important. Our children have a love of their family, a love of their country.
There are some things as critics would say that the children miss although sports, science fair, spelling, bees, music, proms, things like that are available to a lot of homeschool kids, and many of the homeschool support groups put on various things like this.

The things that they also miss, however, are evolution being taught as a fact, radical environmentalism, a bent toward internationalism against their nation, humanism, sex education, homosexual sensitivity training. They also miss things like Playground fights introduction to drugs alcohol profanity pornography and friends. You really don’t want them to run around with These are I think quite quite an over balance to the few things that they might miss. I Often hear liberals say defensively.

Well, the public schools weren’t that bad. I attended them and I would say myself There are a good many good teachers in the public schools trying hard to fight and swim upstream against the trends I attended public schools and I didn’t think I really had had much of a problem there until I met a gentleman who was a home schooler who asked me the question he said well where did you learn the the bad things in your life where did you learn to where were you first exposed to pornography or drugs or smoking or any of the bad things in life and would you write those down on a piece of paper and draw the proverbial line down the middle and on the left side write down all the things that you learned at home that you would put in the bad column and on the right side of that line write down all the things that you learned in the public school in the public school playground at a public school event or with friends with whom you were thrown together by the public
school rather than your parents. Well that was a very sobering experience, it was kind of a knockout punch.

Our children, after 20 years of homeschooling, have absorbed most of our values and ideals more than most parents could ever hope for. My oldest daughter happily married, high school graduate, manager of a store, a couple wonderful grandchildren out there. My old son has produced a grandchild for us, very successful in his career, finished college. He’s a supervisor at work. All
my other children have found employment independently, down to my 14 -year -old. And their bosses often ask me if I’m growing any more of these at home. They’ve got good reputations where they work, and they’re very, very happy where they are. And frankly, quite well it despite the socialization rub that you hear from the public school teachers and public school aficionados quite often.

Mary: The John Burke Society has been advocate for homeschooling for years and the JVIC even promotes a summer youth camp sponsored by its affiliate the American Opinion Foundation. Would you describe the benefits of this camp and why so many homeschooling families are attracted to it?

Alan: Yes we talked about the 2 .2 or if you add in some of the not so obvious home schoolers, perhaps as many as 4 % of the American children that are home schooled. And yet, the John Bird Society, and this year actually it’s sponsored by the American Opinion Foundation, our 501 (c)(3) Foundation under the non -moniker, I’m sorry, of Youth Meets Truth, which is I think a very descriptive term for what our camps do. This summer camps are people by between 50 and up to 74 percent home schoolers. They understand because they have interest in these areas and they
understand the principles of education. I think in a much more clear fashion than many many parents today whose children are in the public schools what the value of this type of education is. The summer camp provides 20 core classes and six advanced classes depending on where the youth test when they come into the camp. In these classes they learn things about their heritage. They have four classes on the U .S. Constitution. They learn a timeline of American history. They learn the truth about radical environmentalism, internationalism, and many, many other aspects of government and life and culture in history that are missed by the public schools today, and even by much of the home school or private school curriculum.

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