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TRANSCRIPT
Well, we’d like our
dearest Heavenly Father, we’re gathered here for the express purpose of involving
ourselves in the necessary job of preserving our freedoms and regaining our freedoms
and
planning for the future. Father, we depend on Ben to guide us with Thou guide him,
that we may have the information we need to make the choices that Thou would have
us make, concerning what we individually are going to be doing,
to regain, preserve, and keep our freedoms.
Help us listen today, Father, that we may have the Holy Ghost to teach us
immediately.
Those things that Thou would have us know and have us do in the name of Jesus
Christ. Amen. Amen.
Okay. Tree of Liberty Society Minutes. For Monday,
October 21, 2024, the opening prayer was offered by Joyce.
Ben recommended a book called Defense of Liberty against tyrants by Junius Brutus.
Dan gave the spiritual thought. Dan talked about his wife, Samantha,
and about the spirit of discernment and its practical applications. He used Second
Tim chapter four as his reference.
And we are to preach the word, we prove and rebuke. Talked about itching ears,
people who want to hear pleasant things and not the truth. We need discipline to
plant the seeds to grow.
Ban turned the time over to Samantha to give the lesson. Joyce started out by
saying that we all have personal algorithms. We’re looking for things to confirm what
we already believe. Ben commented that it was important to avoid self -deception,
huh? Okay.
Dan said that what we do innocently. We’re in danger of wasting time.
There’s a journey of truth. There’s always more. Samantha talked about recognizing
modern propaganda, talked about the 1622 Pope,
who was overseeing the spread of Catholicism, and there was education,
PR, psychological operations, advertising, information, those are all names for
propaganda.
Eleor talked about ritual mockery and Samantha,
not sure what this was about, something about don’t be stupid, suggesting that
skipping your COVID booster could reduce your IQ.
That was an article that was out in the news. Okay. I would never say those
things. Yeah. Definitely not me. She was expounding on this.
Thank you. Because it was such a stupid comment.
It was a stupid comment from somebody else,
not by Samantha.
A governor called.
Samantha talked about one book that she recommended none dare call a conspiracy.
And it painted a good history of the conspiracy. Ben said the book is sweet,
good book to start with. And Ben said his son read it when he himself,
the son was eight years old.
Samantha also recommended another book, Shadows of Power. And also invasions one and
Uh, are very telling if you don’t understand a conspiracy and what they’re doing.
Uh, I’m not sure what I wrote there. Uh,
everything is controlled by a few organized corporate mafia is competitive is
competition. Capitalism encourages wicked competition.
Um, Ben said all corporate entities and CEOs are members of the CFR.
And Samantha said that that power is in companies is held by a few. The media is
centralized and highly organized.
And I, yeah, okay. In 83 most companies were owned by 50,
50 different companies around the world. Now in 2011,
it’s controlled by six companies.
It’s an illusion of choice. She showed a video,
she shared a video, CIA and American propaganda.
Alan C commented about Frank Church,
the Idaho Global CFR guy, a good Mormon involved in Project Monty Merrick.
– That was Alan Arthur, I did that.
– Oh, okay, it’s an Alan C, it was Alan A. – Yeah, the crazy guy,
come up with that one. – Okay, Samantha talked about major media control.
And people think that local news is the most reliable. The technology is a way they
sell us on mass media.
Eleor talked about the DoD boards, the electronic DoD boards on the freeways.
Samantha asked if any of or were junkie slaves.
And it’s a hard time going without the latest, greatest news. Always looking for the
new fix. Consumption daily is wrong. Adverse reaction to the spirit.
Read the scriptures instead. Samantha said that the social media is created especially
to addict you. And it is by design.
She talked about this was the end of part two, and that there was more to come.
And I expect that’s going to be tonight. Elior talked about made a comment that all
media is propaganda, and conspirators frame world view with media.
Ben commented that people like Glenn Beck, Hannity, etc. are part of the propaganda
and the false solutions. So he said part three is next week and the closing prayer
was offered by Mary Jane Thompson.
Wonderful. Thank you so much. I am ready. Comments are corrections before we move
on.
Okay, if not, we’ll make that official
Wanted to bring your attention to the Tree of Liberty Society website.
We’ve had some articles several articles go up this week and in addition,
so you know in the past we’ve done
Mostly videos, but I’ve been going through and putting up Some of some of them
articles by others that are hard to find and unavailable.
And then also I’ve done somewhere it’s just a real quick short glib but with some
links to back up the point that’s being made. And so and then another thing that
I’ve been doing lately is putting up a lot of podcasts that aren’t articles as well
on. So if you’ve got your favorite podcast app or make sure that you’re subscribed
there because you’re going to have stuff there that you don’t have on the website.
I got just one put up today about homeschooling and I did one audio version of a
talk that I gave. So there’s a lot of good stuff on the podcast as well as on
the website that if you’re not going there, you know, a couple times several times
a week that you’ll be missing out on and then I don’t know if you’ve everybody’s
been able to to see it the email that’s gone out sometimes it goes to junk mail
so make sure that you mark emails from us as safe but we’ve sent out we say every
week I’ll be sending out emails from now on this recap of all the new articles
that came out during the week so hopefully You’re catching that, if not double check
and make sure that your email is putting us not in the junk email box.
So Pam, Pam Clinch has agreed to give us our spiritual thought for today.
So take it away Pam.
– Okay, I really do want to share this at this time in this part of our history
that we’re making, it’s in the Doctrine and Covenants 123 when Joseph Smith was in
Liberty Jail, and you think of that time how corrupt things were around him and
what was going on in his personal life, but in the country too, it was a really
corrupt time, it just has been. And he wrote this to the saints who are being
persecuted. And the things that are happening to us, we live in a very unjust place
and things happen, we can’t control, which is so regulated and everything is against
us. But he wrote this, and you’re familiar with this, but think of it in a way
that relates to you. Starting with verse 12, “There are many yet on the earth among
all sex parties denominations who are blinded by the subtle craftiness of men.
So it’s intentional as we’ve been learning that people don’t know intentionally by
the subtle craftiness of men, whereby they lie in wait to deceive, again intentional,
and people who are only kept from the truth because they know not where to find
it. And then he goes on, “Therefore, because they don’t know we should waste and
wear out our lives in bringing to light all the hidden things of darkness wherein
we know them.” Because we don’t know everything, but if we do know it, we are
admonished to share that so they’re not blinded.
And wherein we know them, they are truly manifest from heaven. So that’s a good
point, that because we know them, the Lord has revealed certain things to us in
this group that other people don’t know, and everybody has that opportunity to
receive light and knowledge. But when we do learn these things, it is manifest from
heaven. And these should be attended to with great earnestness.
“Let no and count them as small things, for there is much with lies in maturity,
pertaining to the saints, which depends upon these things, meaning the things that we
know that have been revealed to it. You know, brethren, that a very large ship is
benefited very much by a very small helm in the time of a storm,
by being kept workways with the wind and the waves. So little things can turn
people to the right way in the storms of life that we’re going through. Therefore,
dearly beloved brethren, let us cheerfully do all things that lie in our power, and
then may we stand still with the utmost assurance to see the salvation of God and
for his arms revealed. And so when we’ve said it and we know what we say and we
can stand still. Be at peace is what I take that as, knowing that we’ve done the
right thing. And I just really appreciate the things I’ve learned here that make
those scriptures much more meaningful to me. And I want to share one more quote
with you. This is from Joan of Arc, and maybe you’ve heard this, but it’s something
that I’ve had in front of me for many years. But she said,
and you know her story she was eventually killed for her beliefs but she stood
strong and she fought in battles for what she felt the Lord had revealed to her
and she said every man gives his life for what he believes every woman gives her
life for what she believes sometimes people believe in little or nothing and yet
they give their lives to that little or nothing one life is all we have to live
and we live it as we believe in living it and then it is gone but to surrender
what you are and live without belief is more terrible than dying even more terrible
than dying young and I envision her saying that as she knew she was going to her
death and she gave her life for what she believed in it I just think we’re kind
have commanded to not do less, to give our life for those things that we believe.
So it’s time to know what we believe and make a stand. So that’s all.
Thank you, Pam. That’s, I really appreciate that. That’s powerful. Can you share
that? I don’t know if you’ve got it written down on the text that you can copy
and paste into the chat, or if you can email me sometime, I’d love to get that
quote. Oh, sure.
Let me work on that. It’s way beyond my pay gradient technology, but I’ll work on
it Okay,
thank you. Does he may have any comments they want to add to what Carmen said? I
mean not Carmen Pam
Okay, well, thank you Pam. I really appreciate you being one to step up and give
that spiritual thought for us this week.
Let’s go ahead and, well I know it’s Joan of Arc, but I don’t know if you have
the full quote. That’d be great.
Samantha, we’re going to turn the time over to you now. We’re part three in the
propaganda presentation. Sounds good.
Soon as you’re ready to let me share.
Can everyone hear me all right today? Yes. Wonderful. All right,
you glutton’s for punishment.
Let’s keep doing this.
Well, let’s see.
Smart.
Let’s try that again.
I mean it.
[INAUDIBLE] OK.
Here we are. Can everyone see that? OK.
Can you hear me? Yep. Sorry. I was muted and forgot
This is a really bad start Okay, excellent.
Are there any weird boxes or anything? Okay. All right member training where the
we’re at the 28th of October So this is part three of recognizing modern propaganda
We’re recognizing it and we’re gonna defy it. How about that? I like recognizing
defying modern propaganda. So picking up from where we left last time,
we left off at are you an info junkie? And I would say for most people that
consider themselves awakened, whatever that means to them, you probably are an info
junkie. And so to maybe rethink that idea of how much media you consume because the
propaganda and the conspiracy, that’s how they slip in a lot of bad stuff in that
buffet of all this data and information. So maybe pair way,
way down to just the good stuff or do a cleanse as far as how much media you
intake each day. Just just to know that you can if nothing else so that’s where we
left off last time and not being an info junkie addict and and This time we’re
going to keep going on just a high level how they do Propaganda how it works and
then we’re going to talk about personal obstacles that each one of us are going to
have things on this list that Are part of why it’s hard for us to overcome
propaganda, and then we’re going to talk about counterfeits today, which I think is
a really important topic, which I don’t really hear many people talk about outside
of Tree of Liberty Society. So that’s probably as far as we’re going to get today.
So we all know this guy, and you’ve seen this slide before.
Does it really say Richard Marx?
That’s supposed to be to be Karl Marx, you guys.
Although Richard Marx is very, very terrible. No, you got to sing us some of the
songs before you go on. That is a dirty trick. I don’t know why that says that.
Okay, so the purpose of propaganda really is to destroy the culture. Karl Marx in
the Communist Manifesto, he said, and he’s talking about how,
how they do this. And here’s the strategy by which these communists do this. In the
beginning, this cannot be affected except by means of despotic, which means tyrannical
inroads. By means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and
untenable, which means unsustainable, but which in the course of the movement outstrip
themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order.
Okay, I was public school educated, that’s not very easy to understand. So let me
translate that, right? So the way that they destroy a culture is using very careful
evil baby steps. And maybe those steps don’t last long,
maybe they’re destroyed and then they take new steps, that’s fine. but this is the
overarching way that propaganda works and is used on the masses to control them.
So in other words, in such tiny, comfortable amounts that you don’t awaken to an
awareness of your awful situation, which they put you in, and so that you don’t
jump out of their slowly boiling pot. Okay, hopefully make sense.
They want to keep you in the pot. They want it they want to boil you but they
want you to stay in there because they’re gonna change the temperature things they’re
gonna they’re gonna destroy the nice cool water you once had. So what’s interesting
about this we will get into more of this later but this also works for good like
Pam was saying by small and simple means wonderful things come to pass and hear a
little there a little, right? So interesting to know how evil understands how you
influence people because it’s the counterfeit of what God does. We’ll get into more
and counterfeits later. So that’s the high level of it. Personally,
this is what we deal with. This is why propaganda works on on you and why it
works on me and what keeps us from jumping out of that boiling pot. So there’s
several obstacles that we face. A big one is pride and confirmation bias which we’ll
talk about which basically I got this no I know this I’m too smart to be duped
I’ve been around a long time been around the block And so you really don’t feel
like propaganda or any of these pieces of propaganda can affect you. So pride is a
huge reason that people don’t overcome their brainwashing.
The second big reason is naivete or refusal to see that there is evil or there’s
unprincipled people or things going on, especially people you like. They tend to
just, you wanna be in your ignorant state. Ignorance is bliss. I’ve been here. I
was definitely, I didn’t want to be naive, but I was naive for many, many years.
Just seeing the good, just focusing on the good, not willing to see how bad,
bad was. Okay. Third reason is an obstacle is cognitive dissonance.
We’ll get into that. And I know that’s been mentioned before, but we’ll speak to
that more specifically. Another big obstacle is infiltration and education. So if
you’re publicly educated in any way, shape or form, even if you watch Sesame Street,
that is an obstacle because they got you. Number five is lack of critical thinking.
So this is a big one in that.
This was a hard one if you don’t know, you don’t know. But people tend to be very
emotional and they don’t realize how emotional they are when they think they’re being
fair or critical or weighing things with discernment. And there’s a lot of fallacies
that are used against you and that people use. And that’s not critically thinking.
It’s very emotional and using irrelevant argumentation and all sorts of problems where
people aren’t thinking clearly and critically. That is a huge obstacle because you
don’t know that you’re being manipulated if you don’t know what’s what good critical
thinking is.
Groupthink. So nobody wants to be the black sheep, right? People want to stay with
social creatures. We want to just blend and just do what the crowd is doing. So
group think and just staying with what’s popular is very powerful. And I think some
people are more susceptible to others, but even people that tend to be like defy
authority and no, I’m independent thinker, it’s still, it’s a powerful, powerful draw
to stay with the group and not think outside of what the group is doing or
thinking. This is one that, it’s sad,
right? But a big reason people might even know that there’s propaganda and lies and
deceptions going on, but it’s just like, whatever, just go along with it. It’s just
easier to go along with it. Or just straight up cowardice.
They don’t want the persecution or the back that comes from acknowledging,
you know, the emperor has no clothes on. So it takes it takes bravery to really
buck up and to do it vocally and to point it out to others. So, you know,
for these reasons, it’s an obstacle, these laziness and cowardice. And the last one
right there, sorry, number seven. No, yeah, that’s a big one.
I think what we feel to realize is that this is a form of immorality and too
often we think of immorality as only being with sexual impurity, but laziness and
cowardice is an immoral act. Yeah, I’ll pull them out. I’m serious about that.
Yeah, I pull them out because I have immorality. Immorality is the last one and
that’s if if you love Sunday football and Taylor Swift, like,
you’re going to fall for all the things. So that’s your general immorality. And I
think people aren’t going to admit that, you know, it’s hard to know that people
are immoral. But I think if we call out cowards, like you’re afraid to go against
mandates and, you know, all these people saying, um, yeah,
so I appreciate you bringing that up.
Okay, whoopsies. Yeah, whoopsies. Let’s get back. Can you see that?
Yep. Okay. So yeah, thanks for for pointing it out because it is a part of
immorality. I pull it out because so is slothfulness and laziness. There’s lots of
different things within more immorality. But I think people yeah, I just wanted to
bring it out so that we That with this is important that we aren’t immoral. We
need to make sure that we are doing everything We can’t that we can not to be a
coward. Yeah. Yeah, and and I think you know you almost would switch these like
basic morality and Keeping the commandments, you know, like loving God before you,
you know more than you love the world is Is morality and so if you’re struggling
with that, just keeping commandments, you know, yeah, you’re going to be, you’re
going to be stuck in this, in that pot. Okay. Thank you for bringing that up.
Okay. So we’ll talk about this first big obstacle, confirmation bias.
It’s the tendency to interpret or find new evidence in quotes that verifies one’s
existing beliefs or theories. So I know people are aware of this,
but for those that aren’t aware, let’s go through it. So in this cartoon, there’s a
long line for people to see the film, a reassuring lie versus an inconvenient truth.
Because it goes back to the itching ears that Dan spoke about last week. It is so
much it feels better to have this idea in your mind and then everything just go
along with that and confirm it and confirm it. It’s reassuring, it’s comforting. And
people don’t like to be inconvenienced with truth. And it’s not a thing that people
normally overcome. Usually you can go many, many years confirming your own bias in
many different areas.
I’ll give an example. So I just watched this great movie Sound of Freedom.
Wow, it’s so great. You got to see it. I loved OUR before, but after watching this
movie, it is so much more powerful what they’re doing. And Tim Ballard is the best.
Okay, that’s an example of confirmation without getting struck by lightning. That’s
pretty amazing. Wait, say that again. I said, how did you say that without getting
struck by lightning? I practiced.
So, so do you see how it’s like I already had something in my mind. I watched a
Hollywood fantasy film and, you know, with huge exaggerations and made up storylines.
And that is confirming what I already believed, okay? So that is an example of a
confirmation bias. There’s all sorts that I was just giving you an example. Is that
clear to everybody, hopefully?
– So, Rod is pointing out that it’s, you’re finding only information that confirms
what you’re saying and you’re excluding anything that contradicts what you believe.
– Well, and you can even twist something that could be ambiguous or against it,
and you find a way to confirm what you already believe. – Right. – So there’s also
cherry picking, right, that can happen. – Yeah. – Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
sorry if I can’t, I’ll let Ben do the answering people.
Okay, so right now, check your confirmation bias. this is how you do it. And these
are another another term for this is you’re slaying your sacred cows, you’re taking
them out to pasture. Okay, this is how you do it. Say to yourself, have I studied
all the evidence of an issue or an idea to be to be sure that my beliefs are
founded in truth? Okay, you have to be willing to look at all the evidence,
not just what one source is giving you one person, it’s like spending a great deal
of time looking at all of the evidence. And then are you cherry picking only your
favorite data? You can’t do that. You have to be willing to hear uncomfortable data
that goes against this belief or idea of the sacred cow that you’ve been holding on
to.
Are you willing to research on your own, not only if someone sends you a video or
forces you to think about it. But on your own, are you willing to research to
learn if something, learn if something you don’t know and be thorough about it, to
go through it and become sort of a mini expert on, on that topic,
if possible. Or do you try to mentally escape from that challenge,
right? Someone brings up a topic, you’re
I’ve got this, I already know what I believe, and you just dismiss it,
okay? ‘Cause we’ve all been there. – They sound. – Yeah. – I just wanted to say like
this, this requires an enormous amount of humility. And I would say in order to do
this, you have to really go into it knowing or at least having the option that you
are probably 80 to 90 percent wrong in your beliefs of what is real.
You really, you almost have to tear things down to the foundation and be willing to
take topic by topic and find out what really can stand on its own and what has
been either a falsehood, a lie, or traditions of the father’s kind of thing where
we just, it’s always been that way. It is a very, very difficult exercise.
And if it’s easy, you’re not doing it right. Let me just say it that way. Yeah.
It goes back to that pride. You have to be willing to forego pride and be very,
very humble in order to go through this process. Yeah, I agree. And most people are
not willing to do this. Truly. Most people, it is a very difficult thing for people
to want to go through the amount of work and in pain that’s actually involved with
being willing to be wrong and really wrong, like in some ways, like what you teach
your children, right? Like teaching them that Halloween is fun and Christmas is
wonderful and Santa is real. Like really horrible things. I mean there’s worse than
that. But you have to be willing to completely change traditions sometimes if you’re
willing to go through this. And so that’s why a lot of people don’t start because
they don’t want to change the way they act and the way good points.
So this goes along with the confirmation bias. This is what you feel and experience
when you are budding up against truth. So cognitive dissonance is a mental conflict
that occurs when beliefs are contradicted by new information. So there’s a direct
contradiction there between your beliefs and the facts, right? The brain’s alarms go
off as the person feels threatened on a deeply personal and emotional level.
This causes the person to shut down, and they disregard any rational evidence that
contradicts what they previously regarded as truth. So truth is in quotes because
it’s just a belief, it’s not actually true. but it is so painful, this new
information. And I know we’ve all been there where we’ve had this cognitive
dissonance that just it jars your brain and it’s like feedback. You know,
when you, when you’re on someone’s on a stage in the microphone that does this
feedback, like it’s painful and alarming like that. So if you experience things like
that with someone teaching you something or pointing out something, right?
You might have cognitive dissonance.
So good question to check yourself. Do you have beliefs that contradict? Now,
most people aren’t gonna be aware that they have beliefs that contradict. So I ask
this follow -up question. Do you have beliefs or ideas that have been presented to
you that were so painful or uncomfortable that you had to shelve them where you’re
like I don’t know what to do with that I’m going to stick it on my shelf right
how many people out there have done that only to later bring them back down off
the shelf and finally deal with them because you were willing to to work through
you know the the contradiction that you had there so this that shelving it is
usually what people do when they have cognitive dissonance. Does anybody have an
example of these contradictory beliefs that you don’t know to do with, so you kind
of just shelve it?
There’s so many. I did with the Christmas holidays and all that. I grew up with a
traditional family and, you know, when I heard that presentation last year, which I
hope you guys do again. A lot more people need to hear about this, but, you know,
I had this family tradition that I went back to generations and then having it all
come crashing down. I was a little shell shocked at first and then I was excited
because now I finally know the truth. And then the thing with the skull and bones
and all that stuff that goes with that and all the people that are involved. For
41 years, I lived one way and now I realized, wait a minute, what do I do with
this? I have this information, what do I do with it? How do I handle it now? And
yeah, I’m there with that right now. How do you handle it?
What I’ve done is basically just Distance myself from all of it The Christmas thing
was no big deal. I I hated Christmas anyhow. I hated all the holidays especially
anything that worship Satan done
But you follow through on the new belief, right? So that’s Yeah, the Christmas,
uh, I’ve always felt that there was something wrong with it. Something was just
always wrong with it Um, Yeah, and I couldn’t put my finger on it.
Now the thing with with Allen Key and that I knew something was wrong with
President Nelson, something never felt right about him. From day one, I’ve always had
this feeling that there’s there’s more to this story than what we’re being told.
I love taking sacrament.
I have a lot of good friends in the church, so, you know,
it’s a hard one for me to make that curve. And I talked with Becky about this not
too long ago. It’s a hard one for me to make that curve. But I really,
really, really need to make that change in the very near future. And down in this
area where I live, the church is number one here. Everybody here is a member and
those who aren’t are put off in a corner somewhere. So it’s really,
really difficult for me to make that change
because there are still some things that I like about church, but I can’t get over
what I know about President Nelson or about half a dozen other members of the
corner 12 or maybe more, I think there’s more.
Because see, evidence is out there. And I’m finding more on my own research that I
can’t prove it yet, but I found some documents that lead me to believe there’s more
there, more people involved in this.
And yeah, so I’m still trying to feel like, feel how I can criminalize it and put
it together. And I just don’t know how to do that just yet. – Yeah, thanks for
sharing that, Bobby. It is hard to know what to do with it. And sometimes you
can’t do anything with it right away and you just need time and maybe more
information and the right people to maybe help you, maybe see another angle.
And then the Lord obviously in the spirit will help you to deal with it, but it
is very, very painful to not know what to do with these new information that butts
up against what your long held beliefs may have been. And part of the reason is
just so much brainwashing since we’re little and we’re not taught how to think.
So, segueing into another obstacle as public education. It’s a huge,
huge obstacle that keeps us from being able to, to even like know that there’s
propaganda being used on us. So back relating to that, that book I mentioned in the
first presentations, Jacques Aloul and propaganda, he says,
educational methods play an immense role in political indoctrination.
So Lana knew this, Mao knew this. One must utilize the education of the young to
condition them to what comes later.
This reminded me, this part of the quote, reminding me what Ben would teach about
desert and how there were, that was a reverend title,
then that you could maybe correct me if I’m wrong, that would say the plastic minds
of the young, you know, they could influence the rigid minds of the, you know,
those pesky Mormons, they couldn’t influence. But, but the young minds,
they could. And that’s true and really, really sad, because it’s such a perversion
of the wonderfulness of young children in their minds, their curiosity and willingness
to, their teachability and willingness to learn new things. That’s from God. That’s a
wonderful thing. And here you have these wicked conspirators using it to indoctrinate
them from an early age. So really sad how well understood this concept is in the
schools. But check this last part. This is really interesting. Religions and the
churches are constrained to hold on to their own places in the orchestra if they
are to survive. Let’s dissect that part a little bit.
So the conspiracy, there’s there is an orchestra going on and everyone plays their
role. If you don’t play your part to help the conspiracy with this political
indoctrination, especially with the young, to condition them to what’s going to come,
like what they’re building, building back better, right, this new world order. If
you’re not playing your role to help it, you don’t survive. And you are persecuted
and you are kicked out of the orchestra. So what does that mean for people that
are thriving in this current, you know, atmosphere and world that we live in?
Are there people in the orchestras that are surviving and thriving very well, right?
So What does that tell you that they are using they are serving a purpose and
pushing for some kind of propaganda or lots of propaganda? Does anyone have any
thoughts on that?
It’s really sad, right?
Searches are used. Yeah, Paul Paul says that if we are living a life in Christ
Jesus, we will receive persecution So it is the It is the, I don’t know,
it’s the mirror version of what he’s saying right there. Yep. Yep.
And then he continues with this quote, “Finally, propaganda can take over literature,
present and past, and history, which would be rewritten according to propaganda’s
needs.” So you guys all heard that phrase, “To the victor goes the monuments, right?
Well, to the victor and the conspirators go the history books. And so they write
the history books to reflect the history that they want you to think it is or was.
It reminds me of remembering and forgetting. Yeah, completely. So it’s,
and I always, this is one of those things on my shelf, like, if history already
already happened. Why are we getting new history books all the time? Like, why are
all these school books like being updated and like, why did it happen? Like, I
didn’t never understood why everything needed to be rewritten all the time. Well, you
have this book that explains why. And by the way, I don’t think George Orwell was
a great guy. I think he was predictive programming us to accept these evils. And
this book basically teaches you that, sure, go ahead and have your commandments for
what you think is good, but just know that you can say four legs good, two legs
bad, but eventually, you know, there’ll be new commandments and you’ll just go along
with it. And so eventually the animals succumb to this new commandment.
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. So that’s an
example of remembering and forgetting, like Ben said, and to rewriting the history
and rewriting. And then you don’t know the wonderful truth. You don’t know, like if
we didn’t have scripture, can you imagine how horrible history would be? Thank
goodness we have scriptures that teach us these things and those haven’t been memory
hold, but maybe that’s coming Well, it is coming. So going back to the idea of
education, right? Even if you start your own private or homeschool, how much of what
you’re teaching is government or CAA propaganda? You might think, oh,
we’re separate. I’m not taking any money from the state or whatnot. But where’s your
curriculum coming from? What authors are you teaching about,
right? Are you using Emily Dickens? Because she fits a great,
you know, sodomite agenda. There’s, you know, Mark Twain. There’s all sorts of
literature, authors, and the sciences. Did NASA write your curriculum that you’re
using? Because these things are infiltrated. All these subjects are infiltrated,
And it is very, very hard to find teachings that aren’t propaganda,
extremely hard. The arts, darn near impossible, really,
really hard for me. Any art history is total garbage. I do not teach art history
when I teach art.
So people try to distance themselves. Yeah, keep going. Really, really distance
yourself. Like really check everything you’re teaching. And is it propaganda or not?
Any comments on this?
Okay. So another obstacle. Oh, that’s out of order. So the picture we have a wolf
who’s doing a very good job of blending in with all those sheep. So this is now
talking about infiltration. And infiltration is a really important aspect,
an obstacle to overcoming propaganda because your group,
the people you trust, are infiltrated and you don’t know who’s who.
So effective propaganda can work only inside a group. And that interesting, can work
only inside a group, effective precisely because it is attached to a concrete
organization capable of encirclement and continuity. So you’re surrounded by it
constantly in a certain group and it is continuous, it’s unrelenting.
So the conspiracy always uses infiltrators to be most effective. Every major
organization is infiltrated. And I would, I would,
it seems obvious to me that the more important the organization is, the more that
it seeks to, or did seek to build Zion or the kingdom of God or stop evil,
promote liberty, the more it is going to be a target for infiltration.
Right? Does anyone doubt that? I mean, doesn’t that seem obvious, right? That’s
natural law. Satan is going to target his greatest threats So Ben have have has
tree of liberty society been targeted by infiltrators
Yeah, I mean we’ve had that I mean it’s the way it because it’s different than
other organizations where we don’t have like a Thing where you vote yourself in or
you buy your way into leadership, it’s a top -down monolithic organization. And so
when I see people that want to join or that want to associate with us,
that just from my years of experience, knowing how the conspiracy works,
I’m able to, at least as far as I can identify, stop it from happening.
I know after events you and I have met with people that afterwards we talked about
that we knew or people that were there to try and shift directions of things.
Yeah, they don’t hear your motives, right? And so we basically uninvited them.
I mean, and I know that that’s that’s important to use to keep it as pure and
uninfiltrated as possible. So what can you do? First of all, you have to be willing
to think, is my group infiltrated? You have to be considering that very,
very real possibility. Very real. And then what do you do? Are you willing to flush
them out? Do you have standards that would flush them out? Or can they just stay
forever because there are no standards and there’s nothing that You know flushed out
like this wolf, right? There’s no watchdog that would flush it out and see it
doesn’t belong there. So the problem with infiltration is people allow it to happen
and it is very effective and it undermines many many liberty groups and many many
churches and and well intentions organizations because They they allow it to happen
or they didn’t see it coming.
So infiltration is pretty bad.
Okay, now we’re going to get into why we all fall for propaganda. Generally,
this is sort of a summary. The conspiracy for millennia has studied us.
They know our innermost and righteous desires. They’ve weaponized people’s good
intentions, And they exploit all our weaknesses and Satan teaches them and he’s been
at it for a very long time and he has a lot that he can teach them. So to
manipulate us, the conspiracy will mimic and use very convincing counterfeits,
which are perversions of true principles and patterns. Okay,
so we’re going to talk about counterfeits now and a very important topic that I
hope comes across very clearly by the time we’re done here. So all around us there
are counterfeits even in nature. So on that far left picture that is a snake that
is in that sand there so you can just barely see it there sticking his face out.
On the far right can you guys see what that is yeah yeah doing a really good job
hiding in that like hole of that tree there haul it out tree in the middle can
you guys tell who is counterfeiting in there camouflaged in there I can’t see it
it’s pretty good if you can if you can see it I would be very impressed or maybe
you’ve seen the video. – There’s a snake, yeah, and two of them. – There is one.
– Which one, the one on the left? – So the left is the snake, the far right is an
owl, but I’m asking what is in the middle picture if you can tell who that
counterfeiter is. – Well, I see two little BDIs, I think I see ’em.
– What’s the animal? – Yeah. – Well, I’ll know you know what it is if you can tell
me the animal. anyone have any other guesses before I reveal octopus yep
look at that what it can do it is amazing this octopus there’s a video of it I
didn’t want to show it but so convincing so convincing so if that’s what it’s up
how did you do that what are you you just literally shrinks down and mimics the
actual shape. Look at the hell, it’s poking out like it is amazing and you,
you do not know it. And so that little fish or its little prey comes by and when
that octopus wants to eat it, he’s food. Same thing with the snake, same thing with
the owl, right? So why, why are there counterfeiters like this? There are some that
want to defend themselves, but in these instances these are all predators. That’s why
they’re counterfeiting themselves. So this is what Satan does. He counterfeits himself
to hide himself from his prey so that he can take advantage of you to destroy you.
Okay? So this is in nature and God gives us truths and then this is what Satan
will counterfeit. So let’s talk about some truths. So there is only God through his
Son Christ our Savior.
Lucifer defied him and continues to today. In this fallen world there are many false
gods and clever imposters trying to send you to hell. Trying to be real simple and
pointed about the truth here, right? Can it be most of us agree but that’s what’s
going on. So the counterfeit is Lucifer and Satan, right? He is the master
counterfeiter. He is setting himself up as God, setting himself up as a Savior.
And then we have the Antichrist who will be led by Satan, will be a huge
counterfeiter before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, and will deceive many to
choose him over God and choose him over Christ. Okay,
so this is where we get the counterfeiting. It comes from Lucifer himself.
Okay, so here is a truth that we’re going to talk about, and then we’ll talk about
the counterfeit to it. “Trust in God. His Son will come and deliver the righteous,
who follow him and keep his commandments. You’re saved by faith in him after all
you can do.” So the counterfeit to that is, and there’s more than one counterfeit
to things, by the way, but this is one, trust experts and leaders. The conspiracy
has their approved false saviors put up who are more educated, successful,
and better qualified than you, or so you think. If you obey them,
they’ll save you and they’ll save the world, okay? So, this is our righteous desire
on the left, and this is how it gets counterfeited.
– Obey or follow would be another word for it probably too. – Yep, yep.
So some of our favorite experts, right? These three -letter organizations,
all these big, big, you hear about them in the news,
they’re experts in health, experts experts in global governance, expert in,
you know, where you get your news. You even trust Google to give you your news and
artificial intelligence, right? We trust to tell us, you know, what the weather or
what we should, you know, wear that day.
And then not to mention Supreme Court justices, the police,
universities, doctors, politicians, church leaders, CEOs,
et cetera, et cetera. Like, so much propaganda comes from all these sources, because
these are the experts.
So the conspiracy puts on pedestals, their favorite false savior organizations and
authorities who are greater and wiser than you.
So If you follow propaganda, you’ll delegate your own thinking and trust them to
guide you, right? How many people used to listen to the FDA?
The organization is garbage, but if they say something’s not approved and there’s
example after example, and this is a small slice, right, of experts, organizations.
In my experience, Being an old guy, any time when you get into educators,
it seems like they’re the dumbest people. I tell my kids that when I was younger,
if you
can do something, you can do it and make money. If you can’t do anything,
then you
And most of the people that are teaching can’t, can’t do what they’re, but they’re
teaching because you’re college to learn a trade and everything they taught you isn’t
workable. Well, that’s the main issue. It’s not that they’re teaching it, it’s that
they’re teaching a false version of it, right? A useless version of it. I tell my
kids that anything that works off of emotion, or it has to be done right now,
and it doesn’t give you time to rationally think about it as evil. Yeah.
It’s done immediately, and reactive, and pressure,
and everything that God does is, come follow me. You don’t even have to be alone.
You do the scriptures and the problem I’m having right now is I’ve had certain
prophets or authorities that I’ve researched like Joseph Fielding,
Ezra Tapinson, that have went through to find truth.
And now I’m wondering if even they were truthful all the time. How many,
how many of them were approached?
I mean, we’ve got a communist. We’ve got people that are,
give their allegiance to the Bar Association, Medical Association. You wonder if your
favorite Apostles way back look like that many years were Being misled to Yeah Yeah,
so if they’re If they have any of these credentials, right highly visible highly
compensated are they loaded? They have a lot of money behind them. Are they quoted
like crazy. Are they highly connected? Do they have lots of buddies who have all
these things, right? This is very, very likely a conspirator leader that they want
you to follow. So people like all these lefties here, right?
Oh, not just lefties, righties too. So, you know, all this So -called left right
-wing political spectrum It it doesn’t matter. You know,
they’ll have someone to appeal to where wherever you are and You know,
we don’t believe in the false left right, but For you recovering conservatives, you
know, you might identify a person or two in here and I’m purposefully This is a
sample of course, but I purposefully are putting people in there that I have You
know had pushed on me and maybe was tempted to follow and And or did overcome so
there’s Glenn back right I was listening to Ben Shapiro for a little bit Jordan
Peterson that guy I couldn’t get away from and YouTube would push that guy like
nobody’s business But I like how he’s wearing his little, you know,
Masonic suit there. This is Elon Musk wearing his pro -Baphomet Halloween costume.
It’s got a little picture of Baphomet on there. So Elon Musk, not a good guy.
And, and then they can be dead too. So we have these experts, right? So, so
there’s C .S. Lewis. He’s kind of the expert on Christianity. He He was an atheist
making Christians. Everybody loves that. Oh, look at that Jordan Peterson same thing.
He’s sort of like a C .S. Lewis 2 .0 Well,
I’m safe. I’m safe. I don’t see Rush Limbaugh there. Oh, yeah He was big one
actually it was raised on Rush Limbaugh. So there’s only everybody in there Can’t
there’s no way this is a small sample. I’m telling you and it will change like if
I do this in a month or in a year it’ll be, but that you have these these these
guys down at the bottom here and you just they’re quoted all the time you just you
see snippets of them they just trot them out regularly and um and so some of these
also fall in the category of fake heroes and underdogs we’re going to talk about
that next okay so the truth is there are martyrs and servants,
that is a real thing. There are humble disciples of Christ who live righteously.
Some have been killed by the conspiracy for opposing evil. The counterfeit to that,
which we see a lot, are fake heroes and underdogs. These are manufactured
unprincipled men that the conspiracy wants us to rally around. Their actions are
often immoral. They neither stand for the Constitution nor God’s laws.
Okay? In fact, I think they almost like flaunting their immorality and still getting
you to follow them and worship them.
So, some examples.
Gaberham Lincoln. Sorry, did I say Gaberham Lincoln?
So he basically waged war on his own own people. We’ve got MLK junior,
who is an adulterer and communist. You know, this guy, look, you got to love the
religious, you religious connotations, their symbolism behind Barack Obama there.
And what’s that? MLK was also a sodomite. Oh, yes.
Yes. Terrible. And Obama. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So yeah,
feel free to always add into the list of how immoral they are. And,
and they don’t hide it, which is kind of interesting. Like you don’t have to dig
very hard to find these things. Trump, very, you know, adulterer, immoral,
but he plays six D chess, he’s amazing. And my last but least is Timothy Ballard
of OUR who spent lots of time slaying this sacred cow,
I used to be a big fan of who you are until I’m not very much against it.
And he is an adulterer, a groomer, a predator, a fraud,
scam artist, uses psychics and watched thousands of hours of porn.
Kitty porn, is it right? Thousands of hours? Did he say that he does? He said he
watched thousands of hours. Yep. Yep, he admitted to that. And basically mocks the
Mormon religion. And I think he’s thinking about becoming a Catholic now that he’s
been excommunicated. So just tip of the iceberg here as far as some examples.
So they’re going to Play on your emotions like oh, no, this person was almost
killed or this person was killed They must be a good guy bad guys get killed and
thrown under the bus and all the time like this is This is a regular thing just
because someone was killed or is Persecuted in the news does not mean that they are
a moral hero that we should put our trust in or believe that their organization is
a good organization. I think JFK was a good example. I talk about cognitive
dissonance. The John Burr Society did a whole issue on him just this past year and
I was blown away. I thought that guy was the reason he was killed by the deep
state was because he was going to fix the money problem. Get rid of the Federal
Reserve, print our own money, something like that. And they just tore him to bits
in that magazine.
Yeah.
Yep. So Ben, we’re past time. I’m not going to finish in the next few minutes.
I could see how many slides I have. We still have quite a few. Should we just
call it here or?
– I will leave it up to your judgment. – I would like to hear more. – Okay,
because I wanted to get through all these counterfeits today. And I like hearing
your guys’ feedback, so I don’t wanna
Plow through it too hard, but maybe we just we just go through it and And if you
have a comment, we’ll just go and if you guys need to bounce out it’ll be it’ll
be You have enough for next time could we do it again? And we have I we have so
much left Still so that’s kind of why I want to just push through and and go
through this so if everyone’s okay with that Okay, or we could come back next week.
This is just great. We – Yeah, well, if you have to bounce off, that’s okay. I’m
gonna go ahead and I have a few more stuff. – It’s recorded, so we’ll put it on
the member portal if you need to. – Thanks guys. – Now, so yeah, but we’ll go ahead
and we’ll just use the time, but we’ll, yeah, we’ll just continue, go ahead. – I
might go a little bit quicker on some of these, ’cause this, you know, I think
some of these we already know, but so the truth of medicine and healing, it is
based on the laws of God and sound principles. To be healed, you should use plants
and mild foods. Blessings of healing require repentance, faith in the Lord and the
priesthood. Healing makes you whole and there are no adverse reactions for the most
part unless you go crazy on the plants or whatever. But you do things correctly,
there are no adverse reactions to healing the way that we should. The counterfeit is
pharmacia. It’s based on modern Rockefeller medicine. It’s expensive with man -made
drugs, experimental, immoral, and destructive. There is no faith in God or repentance
required. Just pay money to experts in modern science. You are never truly healed.
In fact, they’re like parasites. They don’t want to kill you. They just want to
keep keep healing you until you die slow, horrible death years and years later.
So the truth with healing is that it is based on Christ,
right? So we have this in the Old Testament, Moses with the children of Israel, and
they were bitten by the fiery serpents, and they had to look to this bronze statue
of this serpent which was, which represented Christ, okay? That’s the only thing it
represented, okay? Nothing else and you look to Christ and you live,
okay? That’s a really important symbolism and teaching that we get from the Old
Testament there. Well, Latter -day Saints have been commanded in D &C 42 and if you
don’t know D DNC 42 you don’t know your commandments, right? In DNC 42 are many
many really important commandments that we should be keeping as Latter -day Saints and
in this one it talks about healing. “And whosoever among you are sick and have not
faith to be healed but believe shall be nourished with all tenderness with herbs and
mild food and that not by the hand of an enemy and the elders of the church to
or more shall be called and shall pray for and lay their hands upon them in my
name and if they die they shall die unto me and if they live they shall live unto
me okay that’s how we should be healed but look at that serpent and that represents
Christ look at the counterfeit okay American medical association now theirs is not
exactly the same thing it’s based on the rod of Asclepius which is a Greek god. So
you can look that up. That’s what they say. And then there’s also the caduceus or
magic wand of Hermes. So these are basically pagan gods. And that’s American
frontline doctors, whatever, using that pagan symbol, that pagan. Is that like the
dual snakes? Or is that like the pharaoh’s the pharaohs.
Oh, that would be that is very interesting. Yeah, I never thought about that.
I can tell you that I do think it’s based on this as well. So we have this
occult deity, the Baphomet, which a lot of a lot of celebrities and elites worship,
sometimes not so subversively, but sometimes openly, and look at that symbol,
that same symbol you see and where it is, and look at how they’re mocking Christ,
right? It’s pretty disgusting. And so these counterfeits,
we want them to be the same thing, please don’t do that. It’s not, it is a
counterfeit. Just recognize if it is not the truth, it is not reality. It is a
mockery of the reality.
So another one is to be one in Christ, okay? So we can be unified with God and
our loved ones here and in the eternities as joint heirs with Christ through
sacrifice and faithfully biding all of his laws and ordinances. Zion is only for the
righteous elect. The kingdom of God is for those who qualify few will receive
exaltation yet all are invited to come unto Christ. Okay so just going back to I
think what Alan was saying.
So inclusivity and connection is the counterfeit. We get a lot of that now. Join
the world to feel approval, belonging, and consensus. Neither repentance nor forsaking
sin or Babylon is required. Honor the laws of diversity, equity, and inclusion.
All are fit for Satan’s one -world religion, except you forfeit your exultation. All
are welcome. Okay, so you see how it’s similar, but definitely not the same.
For straight is the gate and narrow the way that leadeth unto the exultation and
continuation of the lives. And few there be that find it because you receive me not
in the world neither do you do you know me that’s Dean C -132 22 so this idea
that few there be that find it is very very important everybody it is not going to
be a majority of people that are going to embrace the truth embrace anything that
is of God very few will so what does this look like, right? You have a great and
spacious building. That is what to me epitomizes,
you know, inclusivity and belonging. That’s big tent Christianity up there.
And sure, yeah, they want everyone to be welcomed, right? Because they don’t want
you to go back to God. The conspiracy does not want you to have exaltation. So
sure, you’re going to be included as included as long as you forsake Christ. You
are welcome to help.
So let’s see that counterfeit for what it is. It is not of God, it is of Satan.
Okay, and this one’s pretty simple. God uses repetition, right?
Things in over and over repeated in the scriptures, the patterns, the teachings,
remember, remember so many wonderful teachings. But you have to seek and search for
his understanding and God is unchangeable. When Satan lies,
it just finds you. By the way, you don’t have to look for it. It finds you
wherever you are and the lies will change. They’ll shift and they’ll be this double
-speak and they’ll just be this wandering of replacing progressive ideas,
and they’re comfortable, they make you feel comfortable.
So not a counterfeit so much, just the way that it is used is to help preach
counterfeits. So the truth is that God has a work.
I’m not gonna read these scriptures, but it’s second knee by 27. So God has his
work, a marvelous work, a marvelous work in a wonder.
I’ll read this and woe into them that seek deep to hide their counsel or conspiracy
from the Lord and their works are in the dark. But behold, I will show unto them
say at the Lord of hosts that I know all their works. And then in John, John 9
for Christ after killing the blind man, he says, “We must work the works of him
who sent me while it is day. Night is coming when no man can work.” Right?
So there’s the work of God, and then there’s the works of darkness and of Satan.
So what are you following? What are you believing? What are your works? Who are
they pointing to? Right? Who are you following through your works? What are your
works building?
There’s the count of all these counterfeits, and then there’s God. And we need to
be sure that what we’re building is not the kingdom of Satan. It’s very, very
important. Voting is not building the kingdom of God. Sorry,
it’s not. So we need to just acknowledge the propaganda that’s been instilled in
this for decades to vote harder or whatever it is to not actually do the works of
him who sent Christ. Because we’re going to run out of time. Night is coming.
Okay, so last slide. In closing, there are many, many counterfeits. Okay,
well, this is just a tiny sample of these distortions of truth. And for me,
once I started to catch the idea, I would just keep looking into it and keep
looking into it. And when I was presenting with an idea, I would research it and I
would ask, can my father reveal to me, is this thing a counterfeit? This thing that
I’m doing or used to believe or still doing, still believing, can you help me to
see what is of God and what is a counterfeit? So my challenge for you guys this
week is to really look inward and think about what personal obstacles might be
keeping you from overcoming these confirmation biases and the cognitive dissonance and
the sacred cows. And then so what are they and then can you overcome them?
What counterfeits are you falling for and can you overcome it and and bring the
spirit into your like Carmen was was saying I’m so grateful she said that like the
spirit will help you to recognize what is of God and what isn’t and and the Lord
will help you just just pray for for his guidance so thank you all for for again
being here this weekend for your participation I really appreciate
Thank you, Samantha. I appreciate all the effort you put into this. I couldn’t let
you go.
What? What, Carmen? I couldn’t let her go. I had to see this to the end. And this
is going to continue. Samantha’s got just so much on this that she’s going to be
sharing with us. I’m so grateful that she’s done this work and that she’s willing
to share it with us. And so I really hope that you’ll be back again next week for
the continuation.
But let’s go ahead and have a closing prayer. Dan, would you say the closing prayer
for us?
Yeah, thanks.
Our Father in Heaven, we are grateful for this day and for this opportunity to
gather with Our friends and to learn more about how to be knowledgeable to escape
the fiery darts of the adversary and to be more prudent about how we go about our
daily lives and how we protect ourselves and our families from the lies that
surround us and to be strengthened to find truth.
We are grateful for this community where we can have discussions of this nature and
to have each other to rely upon and to have frank and important discussions to help
each other along on this journey to be better disciples disciples and acquire more
truth. We’re grateful for Ben and for all his hard work and we ask blessings upon
him and his family and for all of us here as we are seeking more truth.
Please help us to be able to recognize evil where it is and to replace those
things which might be habits and traditions in our lives and replace them with
things that of eternal value. And these blessings we ask in the name of our Savior
Jesus Christ, Amen. Amen. Thank you.
