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TRANSCRIPT
Jesse Jaymz
I know, Ben, you’re talking about your book, which talks about a plan to stop them. Do you, Ben, think that humanity has a chance here? I mean, where are we at in this process? Because, to me, it looks pretty insidious, but at the same time, I see people waking up. What’s your overall take on where we’re at?
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Ben
So, there was this book written, I think it was in the 60s or 70s, called *The Rapture Cult*, and it gave the history of how the conspiracy infiltrated the churches to get them to give up, because there was nothing that they could do about it. There’s a pastor out of Missoula, Montana, Chuck Baldwin. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen any of his talks, but he’s really a Liberty guy. He talks about the importance for Christians to “occupy until He comes,” going from the book of Luke and the vineyard. The Lord of the vineyard tells his servants that He’s leaving, but He’s going to return.So, to occupy until He comes. The idea is that we are supposed to make the world better. Is the world better because I am here? Am I bringing more people to Christ? Am I Christ? Am I opposing? Am I standing against these hidden things of darkness and this satanic agenda? Am I going to be able to go before my Savior and say, “You know what? I didn’t just hide in my cave waiting for you to return, but I was actively engaged in a good cause to defeat Satan and build up Your kingdom, God”?The book, written back in the 70s, called *The Rapture Cult*, goes through and shows how in the late 1820s and early 1830s, a man by the name of Darby—John Darby—and a woman, McDonald (I believe was her last name), got these satanic revelations. They believed that fighting for liberty was evil and introduced this concept into Christian churches: that doing anything to oppose evil was actually fighting against the return of the Savior. This turned into a movement where we saw, in the 1920s, Moody Monthly, a Christian magazine, put out an article saying, “A lot of people are asking us about the rise of communism. We don’t need to worry about communism because the Lord is going to come before communism causes a problem in the world.”It’s all about this agenda to get Satan’s biggest threat out of the battle. So, it’s essential that we recognize our job is to always occupy until He comes—to make things better and do everything we can to be a good servant by doing what we can to defeat Satan and his minions here on earth, and make sure that garden is beautiful when He returns.
I know, Ben, you’re talking about your book, which talks about a plan to stop them. Do you, Ben, think that humanity has a chance here? I mean, where are we at in this process? Because, to me, it looks pretty insidious, but at the same time, I see people waking up. What’s your overall take on where we’re at?
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Ben
So, there was this book written, I think it was in the 60s or 70s, called *The Rapture Cult*, and it gave the history of how the conspiracy infiltrated the churches to get them to give up, because there was nothing that they could do about it. There’s a pastor out of Missoula, Montana, Chuck Baldwin. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen any of his talks, but he’s really a Liberty guy. He talks about the importance for Christians to “occupy until He comes,” going from the book of Luke and the vineyard. The Lord of the vineyard tells his servants that He’s leaving, but He’s going to return.So, to occupy until He comes. The idea is that we are supposed to make the world better. Is the world better because I am here? Am I bringing more people to Christ? Am I Christ? Am I opposing? Am I standing against these hidden things of darkness and this satanic agenda? Am I going to be able to go before my Savior and say, “You know what? I didn’t just hide in my cave waiting for you to return, but I was actively engaged in a good cause to defeat Satan and build up Your kingdom, God”?The book, written back in the 70s, called *The Rapture Cult*, goes through and shows how in the late 1820s and early 1830s, a man by the name of Darby—John Darby—and a woman, McDonald (I believe was her last name), got these satanic revelations. They believed that fighting for liberty was evil and introduced this concept into Christian churches: that doing anything to oppose evil was actually fighting against the return of the Savior. This turned into a movement where we saw, in the 1920s, Moody Monthly, a Christian magazine, put out an article saying, “A lot of people are asking us about the rise of communism. We don’t need to worry about communism because the Lord is going to come before communism causes a problem in the world.”It’s all about this agenda to get Satan’s biggest threat out of the battle. So, it’s essential that we recognize our job is to always occupy until He comes—to make things better and do everything we can to be a good servant by doing what we can to defeat Satan and his minions here on earth, and make sure that garden is beautiful when He returns.
