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Francie, would you be willing to say the opening prayer for us tonight? Sure. Thank you. Okay. Our loving Heavenly Father, we thank you so much for being able to gather together tonight and discuss these important subjects.
And please help us, Heavenly Father, to learn from tonight’s information how we can stand firm for thy principles and how we can make a difference.
Please give us the courage and the admonition from my word to go ahead and carry these things out when we learn them and put them into practice in our lives.
We just thank you so much. I’m going to call the police, bless everyone that’s here tonight, and please bless Ben and his presentation. And we ask all these.
these things in Dyson Christy’s name. Amen. Amen. Thank you. So Carmen’s not going to be here tonight. So she, I don’t have the minutes from last week, so I’m just going to go through the presentation and kind of skim over some of the key things that I covered.
I talked about the kingdom of God is the destroyer of kingdoms of this world according to Daniel chapter two. The kingdom of God is a political government It destroys the unauthorized nations Protects everyone’s rights and will be mighty and feared by the wicked Let’s see here talked about the loyal league and the Gentile League and how their goals were to use violence to Stop the the Mormons and how men like William
Godby and Let’s see here. What’s the other guy’s name? William Godby and other people of his associates were going around to undermine things from within and that was a much more effective way for them to try and stop what was going on instead of because you had um the federal government trying to come in and stop the Latter -day Saints from from doing their work and um and I covered a few points of what were the
reasons why in addition to you know we had the outside forces and the forces from within that were working to undermine and that’s why we were weren’t able to stand firm and keep going forward with independence and kingdom of God and the laws of Zion.
So, and we had some great comments that I don’t have notes for in front of me. I apologize. We had good feedback though. People were in the beginning.
the beginning of it, I gave feedback that was received from somebody that watches online that they were appreciated talking about the percentage of dependency that we were in and how different that is today and about the boundaries of Zion and desert being unopposed and felt the need to repent and to commit to no longer building Babylon.
So that was great. great Any questions or comments anybody that watched the training last week and anything that they’d like to add or from what we did last week? okay,
I apologize for the lack of Thuroness with the minutes Carmen always does a good job with that so She’ll return next week and get us the a better a better minute next time.
I wanted to go over a few things for this week. So this Friday and Saturday, and I’ll put this in the chat as well.
Hopefully you’ve all gotten the email about this, but this Friday and Saturday at the Doubletree Hotel in Salt Lake. Lake is the Constitution Party National Convention.
And we have we have been given a booth there. And I’ll be speaking there on Saturday. And I’m requesting anybody that can help out to please come and help us at our booth. We’ll be doing it these are the hours.
So if you to kind of help me know who and what time they’re available can come help out just kind of you can pick one or all of these that you can come and So I can know who and and when when they can come and this is the days and is the times for Friday and these are the times for Saturday and See here,
I’ll just That’s the the link for that if you Didn’t receive it in an email and if you’re able to make out make it out I’d greatly appreciate any help that we can get.
Any questions with that? – Yeah, I have a question. What will be the theme of the booth? Like, if I were sitting at it, what would, is there something particular you’re gonna be having us focus on?
– So, yes, I mean, we have the general, of course, we have people inviting them to sign up for email alerts, to becoming members, buying, we’ll have, all three of the books there, and we’ll have our pass along cards for the,
what’s it called, for the boot camp as well as membership, but we also have, and I’m glad you brought that up ’cause I wanted to share it, this beautifully wonderful designed, what’s called a slim gym.
Oops, see here, that we’re gonna be passing out as well. There we go. (upbeat music) So it’s gonna be focused on, you’re gonna be showing what can we do to be free,
no matter who’s elected. And then on the back of it, promoting the book, Killing No Murder, where it covers the theme of what is a tyrant. And then encouraging them to get the book of,
and become a member to kind of move forward on, what do you do next now that you understand these things? And so that’s, that’s, this is gonna be, be passed out there as well.
It’s pretty, I really like the design of this and this will help them. Yeah. Nice looking. Yeah. Gives a good. If we can’t make it all the way up there,
is this going to be available so we can get a couple that make good bookmarkers? Yeah. So what, what I’ll do is we’ll have them on the website for people to order packets of or.
in the member portal what we’ll have is the download so you can print them or put them to a local printer if you’d like to have them printed that way so these are really good things to use to pass out solution oriented at the same time of not focusing on those things that we say are distractions so so still being solution -oriented though.
Does that answer your question, Joyce? Yeah, really good. Good. Awesome. Yeah, so that gets right into what I was going to say also. So encourage folks to use those tools that we’ll have on the website this week as well,
to pass out in addition to being able to get the books out to more people. people. Let’s see here. Any questions on on the pass along card or anything else?
Oh, maybe I do have another question. Um how many people do you want at the booth at any given time? Are you shooting for two or? Yeah, it’d be good to have two to four. Okay.
Um is there a place on that sign up because I just saw it just before the meeting began? Let me see where we say with where we’re coming from. No, it doesn’t I’m coming from Utah County.
I I can’t really drive myself This week because I got foot surgery. So But what County did you say it?
It’s it’s right by the airport. It’s not like oh, okay. Okay cuz like I could take an Uber, you know Maybe we can get you. Maybe we can find other people in salt and Utah County.
That’s what I’m wondering. That would be funner to go drive with somebody that I know. Or, or is like me. Yeah. So if anybody here would like to carpool with her,
that’d be great or we’ll, we’ll see what we can arrange. Anybody else? Questions? Okay.
Well, let’s get going with tonight’s meeting. Actually, I have one thing. Sorry. Oh, you’re good. That’s awesome. Yes. I will be going to the convention.
I don’t know if I’ll have time. I’m voting voting person there. And I was wondering,
’cause I haven’t gone on the website to donate towards the 7 ,000. Can I just donate there? – Yeah, that’d be fine, yep. – Okay.
– Wonderful, thank you. Yeah, I’ve asked other people to reach out and ask if they can mail a check or mail cash or whatever they wanna do. do so always other options if they if you would like thank you okay and along those lines we got just an update want to let you guys if you haven’t checked it out on the website we are at 3550 now so we’re just over halfway there thank you everyone that’s been able to help
out and uh looking forward to the next few weeks that we can we can and maybe even exceed that because the seven is the kind of the minimum but the more that we raise,
the more that we can purchase and get the word out and reach more people and have the broader audience. So just wanted to keep everybody updated on that and I’m really appreciative of everybody’s help with this.
So thank you. So tonight, we are going to be finishing up the requested topic of independence and a better society and If you if you haven’t been able to catch the other ones if you haven’t been on or or whatnot I encourage you to go back and check those out and feel free to ask any questions And again tonight feel free to chime in or ask questions or make comments I’d really like everybody’s participation.
It’d be really helpful helpful, uh, and tonight is going to be definitely, I’ve, I’ve never shied away from, you know, intermittent, you know, mingling,
uh, religion, you know, with, with what we’re talking about, uh, but tonight’s going to be, I guess that on steroids, it’s going to be pretty much all, this is going to be a Sunday school lesson.
I, I, you know, more than, more than anything else. And so, you know, hopefully we don’t, it’s not going over, you know, I don’t get a lot of deer in the headlights.
That’s not what I’m looking for. Hopefully I’m making sense and we can have some good back and forth with everybody. And so just kind of as a heads up for you,
which we’re going to be getting into. So we’ve been talking about what it was that we were trying to to build in Utah. These are the things I’ve covered in volume one and two of invasion and got an individual that asked for kind of getting into more details and more in depth of what it was that was being built.
What was the goal? How did we not do it? What is, how do we do it again? And so just finishing up those topics with getting into what is it that we’re trying to do?
And so that’s kind of the precursor to the introduction to that. So I want to turn to Acts chapter 4 as the principle that the early,
the ancient saints were working on, starting in verse 32, it says, “And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and one soul. Neither said any of them that ought of the things.” things which he possessed was his own,
but they had all things common. So they didn’t call it their own. It wasn’t theirs. They had all things in common. And then verse 34 says,
“Neither was there any among them that lacked, for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold.” Thank you for watching. and laid them down at the Apostles feet and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
So they didn’t consider anything that was their own and they they were able to take care of the poor and the needy because those that had things, they were able to dispense of them and use the earnings and to be able to help those that that were in.
need. And so this was something of that of course was during the time of Christ and as a part of the Restoration and you know those of us that believe that the gospel was restored these things had to be brought back.
And so things that the you know Christianity wasn’t applying these principles as a general rule at that point and so these things need to be restored. And so we go to Doctrine and Covenants section 105.
We touched upon this last week. I wanted to bring it up again. These things were being introduced and for a period of time they were taken away. And the Lord explains why that this idea of consecration was taken away from the early saints.
The Lord said, “Behold, I say unto you, were it not for the transgressions of my people, speaking concerning the church, and not individuals, they might have been redeemed even now.
So if it wasn’t for the people transgressing, not living up to the potential and what they were supposed to be doing, they would have been able to build Zion at that point even.
And so again, going back to our points, what I’ve talked about before of all these ideas of people saying, you know, the Lord’s going, you know, here’s a date for the Lord to come back. And I bring up John Taylor saying,
well, Zion, you know, Zion’s not built up, the Lord can’t come because he has to have a people in a place to come to. And we see this concept right here in D &C 105 of we would have been redeemed if it wasn’t for our falling short.
But behold, they have not learned to be obedient to the things which I required at their hands, but are full of all manner of evil and do not. not impart of their substance as become a saints to the poor and afflicted among them.
So again, their transgressions were not being obedient. They were full of evil and did not impart of their substance to help those in need. I’m getting some feedback in the background and are not united according to the union required by the law of the celestial.
celestial kingdom. So that was an important thing, you know, we talk a lot about in the past of the importance of unity, but not this false unity of just not, you know, this passive aggressive,
not arguing. Now, that’s not what he’s talking about. We need to be united according to correct principle, not just correct principle, but celestial principles. So that’s a pretty high level.
That’s, you know, and Zion cannot be built up unless unless it is by the principles of the law of the celestial kingdom, otherwise I cannot receive her unto myself.
So those laws that were introduced in the ancient church, if we’re going to build Zion, it can’t be built up unless we are going to live those laws that were lived in the days of Christ,
and after certainly after his death. And that there’s a reason why we haven’t done so and it’s because of our transgressions that we haven’t been obedient, and we’re full of all manner of evil.
Any thoughts, comments, questions so far? Okay. Move forward. So, this idea,
right, of obedience, and this is, you know, something that, when you’re somebody that is, of course, staunchly pro -liberty, and, you know, know, you bring up the idea of obedience,
sometimes that rubs you the wrong way, but that we learn in the New Testament again where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Well, how do you have the Spirit of the Lord? Is it just because you’re doing whatever you want? Because if you’re a libertine,
can you have the Spirit of the Lord? No. You have to be, to have liberty, you have to have the Spirit of the Lord, and to have the Spirit of the Lord, you have to be obedient. to the to God’s laws.
And so it’s this, this, a seeming paradox. I did a, we did a training a couple of weeks ago on paradoxes, and the importance of understanding the, you know, to be able to be free,
you have to be obedient. And I know, you know, a lot of us, we’ve had Sunday school lessons about, right, if you are addicted to drugs, you’re not free, you know, somebody makes the excuse of, you can’t control me.
I can do whatever I want to my body,” and, “Oh, look at that. Now you’re no longer free.” So to be free, you have to be obedient to the gospel. And that’s what the Lord said in D &C 105, the obedience to the laws of the celestial kingdom.
So not just basic gospel laws, but if we want to be truly free, we’re going to have to be obedient to higher laws. And Brigham Young talked about true liberty.
in this way as well. He says, I will ask, is there liberty in this obedience? Yes. And the only plan on the face of the earth for the people to gain real liberty is to yield obedience to these simple principles.
Not, not, but that we should find a great many who do not exactly understand how to yield obedience strictly to the requirements of heaven for their own salvation and exaltation.
but no person can be exalted in the kingdom of heaven without first submitting himself to the rules, regulations, laws, and ordinances of that kingdom, and being perfectly subject to them in every respect.
Is this a fact? It is even so. It continues on. Does this give the people liberty? It is the only thing in the heavens or on earth earth that can do so.
So obedience to the laws of heaven are what give you liberty. Where is the liberty in subjecting ourselves strictly to the requirements of heaven and becoming one in all our operations to build up the kingdom of God on the earth?
By strict obedience to these requirements, we prove ourselves faithful to our God and when we have passed through all the ordeals necessary. and have proved perfectly submissive to all the rules and regulations which give life eternal,
He then sets us free and crowns us with glory, immortality, and eternal lives. And there is no other path that we can walk in, no other system,
no other laws or ordinances by which we can gain exaltation than by submitting ourselves perfectly to the requirements of heaven. And so this is that satanic counterfeit of Satan says that we are free when you claim to do whatever you want.
The libertine argument of, “I have sexual freedom. I can do drugs. I can do whatever I want.” But that is not true freedom. That is a counterfeit to the gospel plan and what gives us real freedom.
Thank you. I heard it said once someone from a Soviet country came and said oh freedom is controlling yourself so somebody else doesn’t have to.
Yeah definitely that you know if you’re self -governing then you’re not the the the state doesn’t have to come down on you to protect other people from your inaction I mean from your bad actions.
So Alan asked if why you’re doing it is important. I would say, you know, of course it’s important, right? If you give a gift grudgingly, then it counts, there’s no nothing for you.
But at the same time, I think there are times where you fake it till you make it. I think that there is some wisdom in that as well. So yeah, I mean, clearly why you give a gift or why you’re doing it is important.
do the thing is very, very important. But sometimes if you, you know, you feel like it’s the important thing to do or you’re, you’re in the process of testing it to see if it’s something that is true,
then you, you have to follow that. Like, you know, does, does this recipe work? And so you just have to do it to test it out as well at times. So yeah, I appreciate that,
Alan. Any other thoughts, comments? Why, why? obedience so important to liberty? A few years ago in Escalant, when I say a few years ago,
that could probably mean 40, 50 years ago, Boyd K. Packer’s son, Kenneth, was there as a seminary teacher. He had an adult class going and he was trying to explain the difference between God’s law There’s two different types of God’s law.
And my mind’s leaving me now, so it don’t matter. But this law that they want us to live, when he asked if it was possible that we could live it now before he explained it.
it. And I says, “Pam, you know,” because you’re always worried that if someone’s going to work as far as you or if you’re doing all the work and you’re not getting anything,
I says, “It don’t matter. It’s real hard to live.” So he started explaining the difference in God’s law and communism. And there’s a big difference.
difference The reason it works is you’re given steward Was someone want to say something?
No, you’re good You have a stewardship over what you’ve been you’ve been set to have so you’re using it as if it’s your own and you’re totally responsible but then then excess you’re willing to let the bishop distribute that out to someone who’s just come to Utah or someone that might might have had a different hardship but it’s it’s not it’s not a willy -nilly some people get some stuff and some people don’t yet it
really got God’s program, and I don’t know if we’ve got general authorities that can implement it now. There’s two or three books on the difference between communism and long consecration and things.
I just don’t know if there’s anyone right just enough to set it up without being a prophet or some insult of God to do it?
Yeah, it definitely has to be done. Like it said in the book of Acts about it being laid at the apostles feet, somebody that is called and set forth to do those types of things for sure,
has to be done in the way that the Lord has set out. But I think it’s important for us to lay out the principles and understand them so that in the ways the things that we can do on our own,
you know, we start to implement those things and then we can have the way opened up for us. Yeah, right now with the Apostles we got, I’d have a real problem if Garrett Gung was to…
This gets to my question a little bit on why we do, why we are obedient and I know in the past… When it’s come to my work experience when you’re working for somebody who you really admire and have a lot of respect for Then it isn’t a burden at all your work,
you know and and I think that You know that the World Economic Forum says you’ll own nothing and you’ll be half Well,
again, the fact that this is a very clever counterfeit communism for the law of consecration is not missed on that comment, you know? Absolutely.
And it does make a huge difference if you truly feel that the person admitted the affairs of the gospel,
whether it be a bishop or something like that, is you really have a testimony that they’re called of God and they’re a righteous person. That’s why those testimonies are so important,
because if we see them in their in their faults and we start to question or make excuses and we fall into what was found in DNC 105.
It’s, you know, it’s, it’s important that we, you know, those testimonies are going to be vital for that type of a situation. But yeah, I mean,
yeah, you, and you have to know that that testimony goes along with, you have to know what that principle is right or not.
You have to know if that person is authorized to do what, you know, you’re giving them the power to do. And if you have that testimony, that’ll be much easier.
And you’ll be able to see through personal shortcomings, you know, that people might have. And going back to this counterfeit, you know,
naked communism, you know, taking up, you know, taking from Cleon Scousen’s book, The Naked Capital. Naked Capitalism is equally, I would say,
and this is something that people in the Liberty Movement, I think are short -sighted on, is as much a counterfeit as Communism is. Because in the Lord’s plan,
there is accountability. You have agency, but you also have accountability, and it’s not a lawless, you’re not a law unto yourself. And, um, you have that balance between accountability and total liberty to do whatever you want,
going into libertinism. I’m really troubled though by technology being used as a tool to set up these structures for accountability.
accountability and for, uh, I, I really do think that, uh, um, I, I haven’t got a testimony of technology being used in a righteous way to,
uh, I don’t see the Lord’s kingdom being administered through an app, you know? Yeah, fair enough. I, I’m not gonna argue with that at all.
(laughs) Yep. – And the technology is a double -edged sword. On one hand,
it can be used for very righteous reasons. On the other hand, it can be used by Satan for some very dark and nefarious ways. And the two can be intermingled. And only if you have a different discernment,
can you figure out which one to switch. which. And I think that was the warning that we’ve been told about by this about every general authority since. And he warned us about this.
Jay Rubin Park warned us about this. And 1954, since the day we come and trying and paraphrasing as. quote, but the day would come when on the parish people would use the media,
i .e. the technology to control our lives and many ways they do. And that’s what it was warning us about. That’s why you would need that level of independence as well.
So that way you’re not, if that technology was taken away, could you still function? You know, we talk about independence with. your livelihood, your job and your ability to get groceries and,
you know, feed your family. Well, if you’re dependent on somebody else for, for Zion, that’s not Zion, right? If they can take away your app to, to build that structure,
that would be something you want to make sure that you had your independent of that system. Let’s go to the next one.
So the kind of the less than half though, ever entered into this system. So when, of course, you look at during Joseph’s day, it was taken away because of the reasons of the saints. And then even when we came to Utah at its peak,
not even half of the people entered into the system. And so all efforts in the church to do United Order and consecration were seen. by the mid 1890s.
Lots, you know, we have the 1890s to 1920s was a big transition period. And so,
but there was an idea that they didn’t want to, they wanted to respect agency while teaching these principles. And so they, you know, we’ve all heard the term of,
you know, Joseph Smith saying that he, you know, you govern them. I mean, he teaches them correct principles and they govern themselves. Apostle Franklin D Richards talking to local leaders that were going were told to teach the local members.
These principles wanted to lay that out this idea of teaching them correct principles and then letting them govern themselves. He said, do not crowd. it,” this idea of consecration at order on the people,
“with a law which is imperative. I would just lay it before them and let them be reminded of it. Present it beautifully and do not crowd it on the hearts of the people,
and you will understand the measure of faith the people have in their hearts. Say it before them, not by commandment, but by permission, and you will see the workings of the spirit in them.
It is the best weather cock of their feelings and the faith that is among them. So weather cock is the weather main, right? It was a rooster.
It was a metal rooster that was on top of a building, and it showed which way the wind was going. That’s what he’s talking about, right? So their obedience to this principle was a good,
you know, they were able to see where their feelings were going and where their faith was among them. And it will tell you another thing. It will not only tell you who are the first born,
but it will show those that are not going to do the works of righteousness. So, you know, we’re going to teach in the principle, but we’re not going to harass them about it,
and we’ll see who is going to do the works of righteousness. righteousness and who are those that are going to be slothful and not do those things and so you know I think that’s an interesting principle that I that I try to implement of just kind of here you know inviting showing what we’re supposed to be doing what what is the what is the goal what is the principle behind what we’re doing and invite all of us to
move in that direction and then leave it on you to decide to do so. And so that’s what the church leaders did with this, was we’ll teach the principal, we’ll explain it and encourage it,
but leave it at that. And they were able to see who were those that were willing to keep their covenants and those that treated them lightly. And so another church leader David Calder wrote a letter to William Miles.
in 1857 about the Reformation that I was referring to and talked about the members of the church and where they were at. He says, “The members measurably became wearied and fell asleep because of all the persecutions,
and thereby neglected the performance of many important duties, tending to hasten on the time when the Lord will more fully acknowledge his people before the eyes of all nations.
And therefore, the Lord will more fully acknowledge his people before the eyes of all nations.” if therefore became necessary for them to arise and shake off their lethargy and no more rest until the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of the Lord.
And so he was talking about how the people themselves, they were, you know, they were generally moral. There were no houses of ill repute. There were no murders. There were, you know, there, there was very low,
all the problems you would think of in a society drunkards and whatnot. not very low but what their problem was is that they were lethargic they were slow to do their duty it’s not like they were out there horn around they were just slow to do their job and so they the reformation was needed as a way to stir them up to get them to shake them off of their laziness and to cease resting to get to work and work
ceases ceaselessly until Zion and the kingdom of God was fully established. Any thoughts, comments with questions with this? I don’t think they were lazy.
I think they were getting too conflicting. Abundant additions from the Prophet. Wasn’t the Brigham Young said that we’re not going to build up for Zion anymore?
or build up for Babylon anymore? Wouldn’t build anything if we thought that the government was going to take it over? Here we are with appointed governors.
I think the reason it might have failed is they didn’t feel safe working with each other.
other and the government was picking on them so hard that they the government was gonna use legal things to throw them in jail where each other they didn’t have anything to hold them together for fear of being thrown in jail you clarify I’m not sure what I’m sure what you’re saying bring them young kind of not to build things up.
So they’re kind of slow on On following the program because other people were Stepping in and I’m taking advantage of it building what up.
Oh, you mean like talking about the Salt Lake Temple when they buried it again Or what are you referring to? No, just Living the law of consecration The the people had the reputation of being becoming rich in Ohio,
in Missouri, and in Abu. When they come here to Utah, they’ve got the government stepping in and trying to sabotage everything they did so they couldn’t live the law of consecration or deep magnet order.
– So, I mean, there is a bit of that, but that really got started and heavy right after the Reformation. And so as we see in the Reformation itself was really this hot and heavy trying to get people to understand and gain a testimony of these principles and come together because as they’re building the kingdom of God and Zion,
we know that Satan’s kingdom is gonna try to put a stop to that. And so, they want to… to make sure everybody had the spirit with them as much as they could so that they could resist such things.
And so I would say that during this period, there was a strong unified message of zero tolerance.
I mean, there was a point where, yeah, if you repent and you confess, then there was forgiveness. But if you are. are, you know, pretending and trying to cover up for your sins, there was basically a zero tolerance and keeping people to their covenants.
And so I think that there was a pretty unified message at this point. And it wasn’t until you have a lot of the God, the influence and the invasion stuff going on that that started to change.
And so you’re staying there with the God. between the time that they came here to when things weren’t working out anymore?
So, I mean, you have when they first got here, right? With the Treaty of Guadalupe Heldago, the federal government claimed it only a year after they got here.
But we were basically left unharmed. unharmed for five to eight years, basically. And so we were,
you know, the first decade or so, we were just kind of laying the groundwork to try and make not starve to death because we, you know, didn’t have a lot of stuff growing out here.
And we had to establish the land. And so, and there was no, the feds had no, you know, forts here or anything like that. And so the saints,
they were just kind of living their life. And as David Calder talks about, is they just became complacent because there was no opposition, real strong opposition. And so they just got kind of complacent in things.
And then when the feds started to about this timeframe, frame, 1858 ish the feds start coming in and start building, you know, these different routes and sending the army in and whatnot.
That’s when you start to have the outside pressure as well. So you start to mix these things in. Does that make sense. Yeah,
I. My understanding of history is. though the now I hadn’t heard of God be until or the one that raised Heber J.
Grand I hadn’t heard of them till I joined yeah liberty, but I I was under the impression that when they first came here Well,
I’m bring them sent an amount Several different places that they had had that they were set out in a united order in a uh he called certain people so they’d have a community that could function and and uh and take care of itself so I I thought uh history of Garfield County it was a community herd way up until the late 1800s when the Houston,
poor Houston brothers, but brought in the first private herd of cows in. Everything was communal. A few people started bringing their own animals.
animals in order bill and that was a communal until the general authorities told him to stop it right so I’m not you can I’m not I’m not understanding I’m sorry I just I’m not taking in it in that they were left alone they had done not completely,
but generally speaking, there was no real strong influence from the feds until, you know, just under a decade in. There were several years where there was not,
I mean, there were some that were sent out here, but it was very small for the first few years, because it was just, it was too far out in the middle of nowhere. So it took a while for them to do that.
And so Jen. generally, they were left unmolested for a few years from the feds, and it was all just within. With a few exceptions, I’m just talking about the general kind of,
you know, bird’s -eye view. And so this was something that was continued to be explained by church leaders.
They said, Brigham Young says, “Many are talking about the members of the church.” church the member of the Latter -day Saints Many are stupid careless and unconcerned their eyes are like the fool’s eye To the ends of the earth searching for this that and the other They have become greedy or slow to fulfill their duty or off their watch neglect their prayers Forget their covenants and forsake their God and the devil has
power over them Some some people say that they believe the gospel who never lived it. They did not embrace it for the love of it, but because they knew its truth They will not give up their carnal selfish devilish dispositions and traits of character They will hang on to their evil feelings and evil deeds with greater tenacity Then does the terrier dog to his prey or antagonist?
It is almost impossible to separate them from evil it continues on as For making saints of those characters characters we have no such anticipation we wish to make saints of those who sincerely desire to be saints who are willing to sacrifice their carnal sinful devilish feelings to forsake them all together and to strive to become saints and to establish the principles of honesty within them we expect that such persons
will be saints and we feel like doing all that we can to aid them in a righteous course So those are some things that we’ve covered before kind of about people who write ignorant people that are,
you know, misinformed versus conspirators. And so the same kind of principle, if you have some people that are just, you know, stupid and not willing to do the right thing, and then those that are just,
they want to do the right thing, they just need, you know, help and encouragement. People kind of moving them in the right direction. And so just kind of going off that idea that we were talking about a second ago of just that sloppiness within the saints.
And so, but they’re laboring, right? They wanted to get their, they wanted money. They were, you talked to going back here to what Brigham Young said here.
Let’s see here, they have become greedy, are slow to fulfill their duty. And that’s what they wanted to do. And that’s what they wanted to do. mindset is not for the long term goal.
And so they wanted to get rich. And so that’s some of the things that we saw, how come Godly was so effective, was because he was talking about, you know, bringing in things from back east to make the people more prosperous.
But we learned from the scriptures, the laborers. and Zion shall labor for Zion, but if they labor for money, they shall perish. And so the going back to the intention is very important,
right? Is our is our laboring to be able to get rich? Or if that is our intent, then we’re not going to make the sacrifices necessary to establish Zion.
And so when we when we live up to it, this is what the Council of the 50 was talking about what they were doing with the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom will be a protector of the innocent, a shield for the defenseless and impenetrable ages,
meaning defender for the honorable of all nations, uncorrupted by the usurpations of designing men, the contaminating influence of the love of gold, and the lawless intrigues of inspiring demagogues will be free of those things.
And so these are the fruits. This is what we’re going to see. when we are willing to sacrifice what’s necessary and pay the price that other generations were not willing to pay. Joseph said,
“Where God and the people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteousness, and where liberty, free trade, and sailors’ rights, and the protection of life and property shall be maintained in violet for the benefit of all.” And then he says,
“The counsel, the king of men, the king of men, the king of men, the king of men, the king of men, the king of men.” Council to 50 was to seek out a location and a home where the saints can dwell in peace and health and where they can erect the inside and standard of liberty for the nations and live by the laws of God without being oppressed and mobbed under a tyrannical government without protection from the
laws. And here’s Arrasta Snow in General Conference talking about about what else to expect when we start to do these things. He said, “God does not reveal to us everything at once,
for our minds are not prepared to comprehend it. Like children, we must have experience as we pass along. One thing is sufficient for us to understand,
and that is this order has made all nations and peoples who have entered into it and practiced it prosperous. So there is a sacrifice,
right? We’d go back to the book of Acts where those that had the had property and had things sold it so they sacrificed what they had. What’s the Greek definition of prosperous?
That’s a terms, flourishing financially. There you go. And so they were willing to sacrifice on the altar what they had,
realizing that the Lord would, you know, would return it to them. You know, on a multiple scale. And so, but it’s that that’s that blind faith of saying,
you know, I have a testimony of this, willing to take those steps, willing to be do the scary thing of giving up what you have, going back to nothing, realizing that the Lord will then make up the difference.
And I like what he says here is God does not reveal to us everything at once. Our minds have to be prepared for it, right? We have to have experience along the way. So all of the answers right have been revealed.
You look at during this time period that I’m talking about, where not even half of the saints even lived consecration. But those that did, there were over 200 different United Orders,
up and down desert. And they all did things in different ways. Some, you know, and because the specifics were not revealed yet.
And so they were practicing it out. But right, not all the answers have been revealed, but as we apply what we learn, and we work through those sacrifices and those tests,
the Lord opens up the way line upon line. And so I think, you know, there are some things as we look at this that we can do. And there are other things that we have to do.
to apply what we know and what we can in our circumstances Without you know proper authority and Then as you do that appropriately and you you show that you are willing to make those sacrifices We show that we’re willing to pay the price of the Lord has asked us to pay that the Lord reveals more He opens up the way.
He shows us the next step And I’ve seen that in just what we do here with the Tree of Liberty Society, just each applying what I know and then the Lord opening up the next steps.
And so we’ve got several, we’ve got a few more minutes before the time’s up, but I really appreciated the individual that asked that we cover this topic.
And I hope that it’s been beneficial. I hope it’s been beneficial. that we’ve opened up new lines of thinking, new understanding to be able to know what lettuce and what the dangers are the pitfalls. So that way when we see them happening that we don’t fall for them.
We’ve had our own inoculation against false ideas and false principles. We see the goal and we get excited about what it is that we’re working towards.
and we dedicate ourselves and we’re willing to put everything on the line to accomplish this because that’s what it’s going to take. And understanding the importance of morality in this,
the laws of the celestial kingdom that is essential or what this is, this prosperity, this freedom, this true liberty that it is that we need to build cannot be built without it.
I’d like to open it up to specifically, since we’re still in the official meeting, questions, comments, thoughts. Can I share a thought?
This is Elior Walker. Yeah. Yeah, it sounds simple enough to just labor for your neighbor, but the Saints in the latter days have never been able to do it.
And that’s because we try to implement the economic framework, the United Order of the law of consecration without actually having internalized the law of consecration.
We’ve all covenanted to internalize it. We’ve all covenanted to live, or most of us on here, I’m guessing, have made a covenant that we will live the law of consecration right now. So I just encourage everyone to pray.
to become a person who is fully consecrated or fully sanctified and to be using all of your time and resources for the building up of the kingdom of God.
And obviously, that includes like family leisure, you know, to an appropriate degree, obviously, it includes, we don’t have the livelies dole Puritan lives. And that’s not a dig on the Puritans either,
by the way, but yeah, you think you know where I’m getting, you know, I think you know where I’m coming from. So that’s all. Thank you. Yeah. Well, as you’ve been doing the series with everything you’ve done so far,
I keep learning so much, and how to apply it. And that has been a tremendous blessing for me anyhow, and a motivation to do more. So from that perspective,
this has been a huge benefit that I couldn’t have gotten anywhere else. And being in the Liberty Movement for close to 55 years, you are the first one to break,
to make it make sense out of it, and to make it understandable to anybody that listens and easily understand it. And I appreciate that. Thank you,
Bobby. I appreciate that. It means a lot. lot. Most people in the Liberty movement got it all wrong,
and that’s why I don’t participate with them anymore. It’s hard. We’re a lot of confusion in the world today. Yeah, well, everybody’s following the thing that sounds good.
And if it sounds good, it’s got to be good, but ice cream made the wrong way tastes pretty good, but but the next one you wish you hadn’t eaten it. Yep.
All right. Well, no other comments, questions, thoughts? We can go ahead and finish up the official meeting and do open forum. Eliar,
would you be willing to give the closing prayer for us? – I got you, brother. – Thank you. – Our Father in Heaven, we’re so grateful to be gathered together in Thy name.
Grateful that Thy Spirit has witnessed these truths unto us, which we care so deeply for. Please let us internalize them and embody a fullness of truth by following Jesus Christ,
and please let us be staunch defenders of liberty as our Savior is, and let us become consecrated together and in the name of Jesus Christ,
amen. Amen. Thank you.
