Member training from July 14th 2025.
In this training, Ben emphasized the foundational truth that nullification, interposition, and even tyrannicide must be grounded in God’s law and personal morality—not emotion or rebellion. We reviewed how liberty without morality quickly degenerates into lawlessness, and that legitimate authority must be obeyed when aligned with God’s will. I drew from scripture, history, and principle to show how righteous resistance looks when applied correctly—from the Hebrew midwives and Captain Moroni to Jehoiada’s overthrow of tyranny. Rod followed up by exposing the false savior narrative promoted through figures like Reagan, Obama, QAnon, and Trump—highlighting how the conspiracy uses these puppets to placate the people while advancing global tyranny. We discussed how vital it is that we take personal responsibility, vet our sources, and stop waiting for someone else to save us. True change comes when we repent, get informed, and act according to eternal principles—because the conspiracy will never just give up power.
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TRANSCRIPT
Dear father in heaven. I’m grateful to thee for this time We’ve had we have to
get together and to discuss the things of liberty and how we can better serve thee
and build thy kingdom We ask thee for thy spirit to be with us that we will
receive the things in the spirit But that would have us that we can apply them in
a way that will help us to be effective and that we can further thy cause We ask
thee to bless to bless us that those that are seeking to overthrow our freedom will
repent and that they will turn away from their wicked ways, and that we as a
people will return, will turn away from our wicked ways, that we repent of our
sins, that we can be worthy vessels for thee. And I pray this in the name of
Jesus Christ, amen. We are referring to the portion of the manual, “Nullification,
Interposition, and Tiramiside,” which we’ll be discussing next week. So one thing I
wanted to bring out and hopefully that you noticed is before we even covered the
need, the nullification and the resistance in tyrannicide, we covered the need for
understanding natural law and being moral before we covered this topic. So it’s very
important and it was put in this order for a reason because if you do
nullification, If you just do interposition all these different things without morality
and God’s law You are simply they your foot breaks down to an anarchist or a
liberate somebody that’s involved in libertinism and They’re basically a law unto
themselves They’re just like oh if you don’t have morality and God’s law You are
just saying I don’t like what the what you’re doing, so I’m not going to do it
I’m gonna do whatever I want. And so we have to be moral and we have to be a
people that know and understand and are willing to defend God’s law before we can
get into this position. Otherwise, we will be falling into traps that the conspiracy
has and will lay. And what we have to understand, this is not liberty. Just doing
whatever you want. You don’t like what the government’s doing and you ignore them,
that is not liberty. We need to understand that. And so that’s why we really
covered the importance of morality in God’s law in the foundation before we get to
the enforcement portion of defending liberty.
So getting into James Madison in Federalist 48, he says that words don’t enforce
themselves. He says, “The conclusion which I am warranted in drawing from these
observations is that a mere demarcation on parchment of the constitutional limits of
the several departments is not a sufficient guard against those encroachments, which
lead to a tyrannical concentration of all the powers of government in the same
hands.” So parchment, right, these parchment, demarcations on parchment, parchment
barriers. What he’s saying is, Barriers written on paper do not prevent people from
doing bad things by themselves, right? If they did, everyone would be moral,
because the Ten Commandments are written down on paper, and if paper enough was
enough to stop people from doing bad things, no one would be committing adultery,
nobody would be worshiping other false gods, nobody would be stealing, nobody would
be murdering, right? But just like with the Ten Commandments, the Constitution itself
cannot enforce itself, it is not, it’s being written down is not enough to protect
it, those provisions. And so we need to understand that it is not paper that
enforces itself, we have to enforce these principles ourselves.
Okay.
But what about gun free zone Signs, yeah free speech zone signs,
right signs things are written down on metal plastic anything They do not enforce
themselves. They have to be enforced And the example I love is crosswalks for some
people actually think they’re gonna protect you from a car hitting you Oh, yeah
Well, it Micah tells a story where he went to the bank and they asked for his ID
and they they looked at his Driver’s license and they showed They saw that it was
expired and they wondered how he got there because clearly you can’t drive if your
license is expired
so So right it doesn’t mean just do whatever you want Okay In the in the book
downfall of tyranny we read if the magistrate command us to do anything Which he
hath authority from God and the people to command we are bound to obey him
actively. Okay, so if those things are things that God has authorized a government
leader to do and the people have granted them that power and they they they’ve
apply that power or they implement that power, we are duty bound to obey it. We
don’t just get to ignore things that we just don’t like. Indeed, the very light of
nature just subjection to such governors as punish vice and praise virtue.
And to resist the magistrate in the due punishing of vice or praise of virtue is
not only a violation of the law of God written in the scriptures of truth, but of
the law of nature written in the hearts of all mankind. So I am definitely not,
you know, as much as I preach, you know, against tyranny And in favor of
nullification and interposition and tyrannicide, I am not against a legitimate
government fulfilling its godly duty and role. And so we want to make sure that we
understand that it’s not just, you know, I want to do donuts in I -15. I’m going
to go do donuts in I -15, right? And I’m going to commit tyrannicide on any cop
that tries to stop me. That’s not liberty, that’s not anything that I am promoting
of any sort of any kind, right?
Let’s see here. Yes, Mark. – Yes, generally,
nullification falls in two categories. And this is consistent with what you just
said. One is legal, enforcement of legal laws that are godly, like the US
Constitution, and that’s where we need to be using it most. The other is godly laws
like justice. So what is just justice according to principle, political principle,
and according to God’s law, and those are the areas of not only nullification, but
tyrannicide as well. Thank you.
Okay, so nullification is a godly principle seen throughout scripture and we’ve seen
and we’ve done trainings on this. We have the Hebrew midwives disobeying Pharaoh’s
order, Moses defying Pharaoh demanding the release of God’s people, Shadrach, Meshach
and Abednego, Daniel Lyonsden, Peter and John telling government officials they’re not
going to follow the order to not preach Christ. Captain Moroni threatens to replace
the Nephite government if it failed to support liberty and resist oppression. Okay,
so this is a godly principle. This is an eternal principle. This is something that
we need to internalize. And so that we, you know, we have to first understand and
internalize before we can really start to do it well.
Well,
I want to have your statement. I like what you said. Go ahead more. I could be in
revolt. Yes, absolutely. Lots and lots and lots of examples that could take up pages
and pages and pages.
So how do we identify if a law deserves to be nullified? So just in some points
that we need to keep in mind and we can refer to and these are in the manual,
right? Does the law, does it go against the glory of God, right? If I follow this
law, will I be doing the opposite of glorifying God? Does it violate God’s laws or
their specific application is a violation of God’s law? If you were to able to do
the same thing, if you were to do the same thing that the government is doing,
right? If you were to, if you were to implement this law, would you be punished by
the same government that’s doing that same thing? And then does this law violate
your conscience if you obey it. So these are some principles that you can consider
as you look through different things that are going on, new things that pop up, old
things that you look through, say, you know what, does this put government as an
idol? Ask yourself these types of questions and identify things that should be
nullified privately. So now we get into interposition, right? To place between to
make intervening an intervening yes mark. Yes, just on that fourth category You know,
we’re not talking about psychopath sociopaths conscience because there’s obviously Yeah,
people’s conscience. Yes. Yeah godly conscious consistent with God’s law. Absolutely
And that’s why we have that foundation of morality first before we get here
So to thrust in as an obstruction, interruption or inconvenience, right? So it’s your
to interpose between a tyrant and a victim, you are standing between them.
Okay. So now we get to it’s, you know, another way of putting it is standing in
the gap. And in the scriptures, we find the story of the king saying that if
somebody does this, does X, they will die. They will be put to death. And then and
but and then one of the king’s sons, Jonathan, did the thing that was illegal and
everybody had an uproar. So the scripture says, “Shall Jonathan die who hath wrought
this great salvation in Israel? God forbid, as the Lord liveth, there shall not one
hair of his head fall to the ground, for he hath wrought with God this day.” So
the people rescue Jonathan that he died not So we have the king saying he’s going
to die and
Then we have the people of Israel standing between the king and Jonathan to make
sure that that sentence is not executed
Rod So this is one of those things that I’ve told my wife for a long time I’ve
kind of complained about that you know in like places like India when things happen
that the people are pissed off about They will all in this giant mass Go down and
stand up and get in the way, right? But we don’t do that in America, you know, we
just sit back and shake our heads and whatever, you know If we’re even paying
attention, right? But that’s the thing, the people rescue Jonathan. And that’s the
way it should be that we should be, we should take these things personally. And I
mean, that kind of ties into the lesson I’m going to be talking about in a few
minutes here. But we have a personal responsibility and we need to be taken that
upon ourselves. Absolutely. Thank you. Yeah, it’s kind of interesting, right? We have
this kind of
these opposites where you have, in one case, Israel as a whole demanded a king.
would be the most uncomfortable to implement and so which is why it’s so important
that we have a moral people and that we have a people that understand natural laws
so that we do this that we don’t put off doing this but we also don’t do it in
an appropriate when we’re not ourselves in a position where God would support that
effort and so giving this account again in Again in I think it’s in Kings the
killing of attire on all Chronicles. Sorry in second Chronicles King Isaiah of Judah
influenced by his mother Aethelia in the corrupt house of Ahab Reigned wickedly for
one year before being killed by Jehu gods appointed agent of judgment And then
Aethelia seized power by murdering the royal heirs except for one infant Joe had Joe
ash Was secretly rescued and hidden in the temple for six years by his aunt
Jehoshiba and her husband, the priest Jehoida.
And in the seventh year, Jehoida orchestrated a bold coup frowning Johash as king
and leading a revival of covenant faithfulness. So you have this righteous Jehoida or
Jehoida who not only does he hide the legitimate king, but he makes sure that when
the timing is right, he kills the wicked leader, the wicked king, and makes sure
that the legitimate leader is put into place. So the king was executed, ball worship
was abolished, and the rightful Davidic line was restored, reaffirming God’s
sovereignty and the triumph of righteousness over tyranny. So it’s a fantastic story
in the scriptures learning about actually implementing tyrannicide in a righteous way.
And it’s interesting how Baal worship was abolished. So, you know, in a truly free
society, that doesn’t mean that people can just do whatever they want. There is
definitely limits in a godly society of what people can do. And we have lots and
lots of examples of that and the proper example of tyrannicide. And so we can see
that as one example, but it’s important that we can read through the scriptures and
through other books that bring these things together to help us to understand these
principles. And so that when it is right, we will know it’s right. Okay,
so I guess I goofed up on the right. These are proper applications starts with
understanding right we need to learn about notification interposition and tyrannocyte.
So, of course, we start off with the scriptures is just fantastic stories. We know
these are godly examples of when people do these things. And then another book,
which we’ll be doing the book club in August, a defense of liberty against tyrants,
killing no murder, a great example of tyrannicide, and the downfall of tyranny, which
will be out very, very soon. And so I encourage everyone to go through those books
and get copies of it for yourself and go through them and study them for fantastic
examples of how we implement and what are the principles that show these things.
Downfall of tyranny as well as a defense of liberty are two fantastic books that
are just giving a scriptural account after a scriptural account of people doing these
things and so just answering people that say don’t we have to obey tyrants no
matter what and then going through and showing One after one example after another
where no, we don’t have to do it. No, this is a scripture example of how we don’t
do that and so these are
Fantastic resources for us to make sure that we are studying with this in mind,
right? When you read the scriptures especially, it’s important to read it with a
topic in mind that you can glean out of specifically because otherwise it’s just
like, okay, there’s lots of different layers in this. And so it’s important where
you’re, if you want to understand what the scriptures say about this topic, to think
about this topic and look and search it topically to find examples of these
So I encourage you to get those books, write those books and study them on your
own as books to be able to better understand these principles. So with that in the
coming week, please go through that section. I’d love to get your questions and
thoughts next week as we have it be your discussion on this topic. But with that,
I will turn the time over to um over to Rod.
Yeah, give me just a second get my screen set up here.
Okay, can you see the right one? I sure can. member training. Yep.
Okay.
Excuse me. Stay cool. All right, then. Let’s see over here.
All right. So, you know, we frequently have these people presented to us as heroes
of the left and the right. And Reagan, we all recognize as one of these,
right? He’s Yeah conservative hero. In fact, we’ve got this book here published by
Princeton University the rise and fall of modern American conservatism and They put
out they put out this book chapter five of which is called Ronald Reagan the
conservative hero, right? So it’s not just me saying this and I mean that should be
obvious, right? We all recognize Reagan as this conservative hero and you know he’s
got a lot of provocative quotes that seem to espouse patriotism and conservatism and
a couple of examples are this one here it’s when people are helping one another not
because they’re taxed or coerced into it but because they want to that concern for
one’s fellow man becomes part of a nation’s soul That’s just beautiful and it sounds
great and golly Reagan sure hated taxes and I hate taxes too So he must be our
man, right? Now I got this one here It’s people not government who create wealth
provide growth and ensure prosperity It’s another great one. I love the sound of
that. I love the words that are used and You think to yourself Gee, Reagan sure
hated socialism. I hate socialism too, so he must be our man, right?
Well, this lesson is entitled Do the Facts Bear Out. And we’re gonna talk a little
bit, like I said before, about our personal responsibility when it comes to liberty
and opposing tyranny.
we have this problem in our society and it’s a it’s really a human problem and
That is that we as humans want somebody else to fix our problems for us We would
rather not do anything, right? I think I don’t know what it was we were talking
about a couple days ago But Ben and and I and I think Samantha they’re talking
about how,
you know, people just wanted Moses to go up the mountain and talk to God for them,
right, on their behalf. They don’t have to do anything. They wanted him to take
care of it.
Well, a lot of you are probably aware that on the Tree of Liberty website we’ve
got several articles talking about Ronald Reagan. The one on the left here, Reagan
made me believe in conspiracies, describes how Ben came to realize over time that
Reagan was part of the Bohemian Grove Sodomite agenda, that he was working to thwart
the activities of the free Chinese government
and to support the Chinese Communists and that he was filling his cabinet with
globalists. And then the one on the right there, the Reagan deception,
a at Wolfen sheep’s clothing, talks about, in detail, about Reagan’s long history
with the Trilateral Commission and Council on Foreign Relations, among other things.
And Reagan appealed to people by speaking out against these groups, right? But as
soon as he could, he pulled people from those very groups into his cabinet to
advise him and to guide his actions in the presidency. So, saying one thing and
doing another, and really, here’s the key, right? All of these people,
if they are allowed to hold positions of influence, they know how to tell a certain
portion of the populace exactly what they want to hear, which earns them the trust
and admiration of the masses, despite the fact that they rarely if ever followed
through on their promises. And I’m going to share you an example here. This is from
the Annenberg Public Policy Center. And I know this, you know, Annenberg group is
garbage, but they documented the fact that Reagan ran for president on a platform
that included abolishing the Department of Education. Okay. That made him really
popular, made Americans really excited, because they knew the government had no
constitutional mandate to be involved in education. And at that time, anyways,
they didn’t want the government brainwashing their children. But what happened after
he got elected? Well, let’s just read it. It says in his State of the Union
speech, President Ronald Reagan calls for the end of the Department of Education.
Reagan says he believes that decisions about education should be made at their local
level, and that the federal government should play only a minor role in the nation’s
schools. The speech stirs up a debate in Congress, in the end the department is
funded although at lower levels than in the past. So you’ve got the government
deciding that golly, their indoctrination program was just too important to
discontinue. And you can see at the end of there, it says at the end of the
article that the education toward of education was funded now funded at lower levels.
But we all know what has happened to it in the intervening years right between 82
and now. It’s got, I mean just absurd amounts of money being thrown at it.
And we might sit back and think to ourselves. Golly it’s too bad that Reagan didn’t
get what he wanted, right? But that’s one of the points that we want to make here
is that he got exactly what he wanted. He got the praise and the worship of the
people and he got the continuation of his puppet master’s will. They wanted
Department of Education, there was no way they were going to get rid of it, but
they needed somebody in power that they could control. So Reagan came forward,
got the people on his side, and pretended that he was going to do away with
something that he knew, of course, they were never going to do away with. And so,
you know, you might ask yourself why did the people continue to follow after and
support Reagan even after he had committed such a blatant deception, and here’s the
key. They knew something was wrong, and he claimed that he would solve the problem
without any effort on their part. So here’s this thing, we need to get rid of it.
And what G, golly G, what are we going to do? This might be a big difficult fight
for us to get rid of. Here comes Reagan. He’s presented to the people as their
political savior. I’m going to get rid of this thing that you all know is wrong.
And he
doesn’t, right? right? Nothing happens and things never change. That’s a thing. The
conspiracy does this for both the left and the right. So I’m going to share another
couple of examples here about this political savior condition.
I don’t think anybody’s going to be surprised at who the next one is. And you may
recall during 2008 era that nearly every image that was taken of Obama was
intentionally presented to put him in a religious light for his mostly Irreligious
audience. So here you’ve got the light shining in his hands, right? And you’ve got
this you can see the effect this had on people over here on the right spray
painting around town Obama is God look at these other images though. You’ve got you
know the This poster on the left with the sun beams all shining out of his head
and he looks like he’s made out of gold. The Newsweek article referring to him as
a god, presenting him with all these arms like a Hindu god, right? And then the
one on the right where all these people, the White House journalists and staffers
would constantly make it a point, and in fact I read somewhere that they were
actually told that they were supposed to do this kind of thing where they would
frame it with the light behind his head or the circles behind his head like a halo
and again, you can see I put the Caption on there on that image on the right this
came from white house .gov. This is an official photograph of Obama at the time So
you can see that they were complicit even the White House was complicit in this
deception We also have QAnon and this wasn’t a person that people knew but it was
somebody quote unquote that they could look up to right trust the plan it was the
exact same purpose they were waiting for somebody else to solve their problems and
so this they the government the conspiracy
put this QAnon guy forward, or presented this character forward,
and all these people, especially among conservatives, got on board. Hey, there’s this
guy. He’s going to solve all of our problems for us. We know there’s all this
stuff wrong. He’s going to deal with it. And in fact, QAnon was,
I remember, at one point talking about how our next person here, our next savior,
was going to save the day. Remember, he was telling everybody he’s going to drain
the swamp behind the scenes. Remember, January, what is it, 20th, when he gets sworn
in, he’s going to have everybody else arrested and all these deep state people, and
none of this crap ever happened, right? But what it did, it served the purpose of
placating the people and making it so that they wouldn’t take any action.
They would just sit back thinking that somebody else was handling it. These pictures
are ridiculous in my opinion, every one of these. So looking at Trump,
part of the game here, part of the game is that placating the people,
getting them to sit back and do nothing and like I mentioned with Reagan,
Reagan’s promise was that he was going to get rid of the Department of Education
and then of course knowing that the other people on his team weren’t going to allow
that to happen. Well we’ve seen some of those same things with Trump and one of
those was recently I remember a little while back he pulled us out of the World
Health Organization if I remember correctly. And then just the other day, a few days
ago, I saw that I think it was a Supreme Court came in and nullified that.
Dog on at work. They’re not just not going to let it happen. Sorry. But oh,
Trump’s our savior, though. And he tried. He told us he was going to do it and
darn it didn’t happen. But he tried. So he’s still our savior. He’s going to do it
for us. You know, it’s almost like it’s a pattern, right? Gosh,
you see these things happen over and over again. Different people, same story, over
and over and over again. They might let a few things go in a positive direction,
and sometimes they concede some small things, but these concessions are usually touted
so loudly that the masses don’t see what the other hand is doing. So they’re
pretending to give you session and they it’s all over the news and you’ve got the
for instance in this case you’ve got the the so -called right -wing tucking heads and
whatever touting this thing that he says he’s gonna do he’s pretending to do and
then you’ve got the left side over here pretending just being angry and they hate
it because golly he’s taking away our freedoms and all this stuff. But at the same
time, he’s got other stuff he’s pulling on us that we don’t even know about because
we’re so distracted with the stupid thing that they, the little game that they were
playing here. One of those, one of the things that’s interesting here with Trump,
wherein we know that he’s not the political savior, is that we have a story that
we worked on at the beginning of the year and then didn’t finish up and get out,
which we still need to, which is about the fact that pretty much all of Trump’s
cabinet is just filled with these globalist shills. He’s got CFR members.
He’s got trilateral commission members. He’s got sodomites. He’s got people that have
sworn their allegiance to Israel, which shouldn’t come as a surprise the way things
have been going lately, but we could have all known this ahead of time how things
were going to play out had we paid attention to who it was that he was calling
into all of his cabinet positions. So if you look at that, then you step back and
ask yourself, did Jesus really put this guy in power for us?
Did Jesus really make sure that Trump was going to sit in the seat here so that
all the good things would happen for us and bring us back to God. Of course not.
The only way that’s going to happen is how. It’s going to be by the people
themselves repenting and turning themselves back to God. There’s not a political city
that’s going to do it for us. And we have these examples that Ben was sharing with
us a little while ago about Israel and he mentioned there were times when all the
people supported like Jehoiada right and they all turned back to God and then there
were other times when they turned their back on God and the Lord told the prophet
let them have a king they’re not rejecting you they’re rejecting me. Does that sound
familiar? Look at what we’re doing today the only way that it’s gonna turn around
is for us personally to repent but we don’t like it. Let’s talk real quick then
about how we can avoid being deceived again by this kind of stuff.
Step one is ask yourself when these things come up, is this too good to be true?
This isn’t a new thing right? This is a principle that’s been around for a long
long time. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. This is a principle
we need to follow, and it’s the first one you should start with. Does it sound too
good to be true?
Step two, ask yourself if the proposed solution abdicates personal responsibility,
or if it usurps the natural rights of the citizens. This is another pretty solid
principle, I think, because what makes that personal savior to show up where we’ve
been talking about so popular, is that people are lazy, right?
They’re lazy. They enjoy being wicked. They want somebody else to solve their
problems, so they can personally avoid the discomfort that comes with A, repentance,
and B, having to step up and do something about this. We’ve allowed this secret
combination to get above us, And boy are they, they have so much power over our
lives. We know it’s gonna be uncomfortable to do anything about it. And there’s
really only a few of us that are looking at that and seeing what it is for what
it is, right? We wanna do something and now we see how big the problem is.
On this point, I would say we need to look at the Founding Fathers, right? They
set an excellent example for us of taking personal responsibility despite incurring
tremendous losses. That’s part of what makes me sick. Hearing about what is being
taught about the Founding Fathers in the public schools these days, talking about how
they were just a bunch of, you know, racist, misogynist, and all this kind of
nonsense, right? And they just wanted perpetuate slavery and perpetuate the patriarchy
and all this kind of stuff. Okay, nonsense. These guys lost their businesses,
lost their power, lost their money, lost their lands, and you know some even who
was it, Gouverneur Morris or who was it that lost like four of his sons were
killed because he wouldn’t remove his name from the Declaration of Independence,
right? That’s not what you do if you’re just
Gee, this is my responsibility. If something’s going to change,
I’m going to have to do it. And of course, as Ben pointed out a little while ago
as well, we’ve got a bunch of examples from the scriptures, and I believe that the
apostles from the New Testament all give us excellent examples of that. They knew
things needed to happen, things needed to change, they had to personally do something
about it. The next point is this. You have to ask yourself if you have enough
information to properly make a judgment. And this part’s difficult, but it’s important
nonetheless because you know we’ve got on daily basis we’ve got all kinds of things
that get shared in these conservative groups or from our friends on Facebook and we
want to click like on all this, you know, the picture of Reagan with the quote
just like what I showed earlier they sound great and you know raw rock conservatism
and patriotism and whatever but you hear things like what Reagan was a national hero
JFK was killed because he was trying to fight the national or the Federal Reserve
right and those sound great but the problem is they reinforce a lot of false ideas
in our mind because we don’t stop and do any research personally. We look at this
stuff and we say yay yay and we just we support it and promote it we may even
share it without knowing enough about the issue to say whether or not it’s true.
Do we know anything? Can we actually back up the assertion with some data? If not
we probably shouldn’t say anything at all. Instead, it ought to go on the shelf and
it should be something that we do some research about. Again, we’re talking about
ways that we can avoid being deceived here. And a big part of it is, these last
three steps together, it’s about personal responsibility. We have to do something
about it, ourselves. Part of that, again, is the fact that a lot of this stuff
that’s out there comes the memes and the websites and a lot of these groups. A
large measure, they come from people that are themselves ignorant about issues. They
saw a thing and they assumed they knew what they were talking about and they were
promoting it.
Kudos to them for trying to promote good principles, but at the same time,
it’s an unprincipled approach. You need to know what you are talking about.
And then on the other side, you’ve got people who are actually spreading these
things on purpose because it promotes, well, it keeps you distracted from what’s
true. And like I said earlier, it reinforces false ideas in our minds and promotes
falsehoods. One of the last things here That we need to remember all the time.
I think this is the most important from principle here
Make
sure you’re muted, please one of the most important principles here that could
protect us from Things like this political savior deception is to remember that there
is a global conspiracy That controls the outcomes of elections and wars and they’re
not going to cave into the demands of the righteous. They play a good pretend game
but in the end it always goes the way they want to. You may have noticed it
doesn’t matter which way the pendulum swings between the false left or the false
right, the conspiracy always gets what they want and we continue to move forward
towards globalism and this global tyranny. It doesn’t matter.
We have to stop playing the game, stop buying what they’re selling. An example I
wanted to share was that back in, I mean, it was 2008, somewhere, I don’t know
what it was, around there, around the time Obama got elected, I think. We were
living in California and they passed Proposition 8, which legally defined marriage as
being between a man and a woman in their state constitution, okay? Well,
it immediately went into a legal challenge and the people were told it can’t be
implemented until these legal challenges are decided upon. We sent it to the courts
and let them decide. So here’s what you might call the right side of the issue.
The people voted for it. It should be law. We can’t do it. We can’t let it be a
thing. However, on the other side of the issue, the wrong side of the issue here,
the definitely wrong side of the issue, I would argue that the other side was wrong
as well, but that’s for an argument for a different day. The argument here on the
other side with gay marriage, well, you know, there’s legal challenges right now,
so we have to allow this to happen.
They immediately allowed and commanded all of the state employees to start performing
gay marriages and allowing them to come in and getting these marriage certificates
signed from the state. You see how it works? It doesn’t matter what the people
want. They’re going to make sure that what they want happens.
Mark, I’m almost done, so I’ll get to questions and just a minute.
It didn’t matter. It didn’t matter. If the people voted, it should have immediately
become a law. They’re well over the specific date set, but it didn’t become a law
when the date came around because they put it into a legal challenge. But
immediately after it got voted and then went into a legal challenge, they didn’t
even wait for the day to come around, they immediately started to perform the game
marriages. Whatever they want, it’s going to happen. They tell you they’re going to
do the right thing. Sometimes there’s another part of the game that they play that
tells you that they’re going to do the right thing. But, you know, it’s scheduled
to be implemented five or 10 years down the road, right? Well, what’s the point of
that? Number one, they hope you’ll have forgotten about it. Number two, they’re
hoping that the minions in the court system will have overturned it by then. And
number three, it’s somebody else’s problem at that point, right? If I’m Trump today
and I say, oh yeah, we’re gonna go ahead and XYZ in five years, he’s not gonna be
the president any longer. And guess what? The way we allow them in the conspiracy
to play the stupid game now is that we it’s a different it’s a new king every
four years and they start implementing their own personal policies and likes and
dislikes right so whatever Trump does now the next tyrant comes in and overthrows
and overturns so it doesn’t matter whether they give you the concessions in word and
in name but rarely ever indeed, and these things always get flipped back around on
their head. They get overturned on technicalities as well.
Here’s the thing, the conspiracy has not spent the last 250 years building up to
this moment only to cave in because the people voted against them, right? We’re not
going to sit here and ask them nicely to give it back our freedoms after they’ve
been working at this for 250 years. They’re not going to just roll over. And that’s
why I want to point out why the Tree of Liberty Society exists. Think back about
what Ben was just talking about prior to my presentation here
in a position.
And I mean, all of those three steps, Those are the things that are going to have
to happen. They’re the only things that are effective. They’re not going to just
roll over because we ask. And treat liberty society exists also because we were
trying to awaken people to a sense of their awful situation like the Book of Mormon
describes it and to shake them to a realization that if they, or I should say we
don’t take personal responsibility, we’re going to ultimately lose everything. So the
final thought I want to leave with you tonight is this one. “What can I do while
I can still do something?” And with that I want to open it up for questions.
Mark, you had your hand up. Yes, well just comment on what you just said.
We better not do anything until we’re radically educated so we know what right or
wrong is. And much of what you covered was examples are occurring because people
don’t know what right or wrong is. They don’t judge based on whether they support
tyranny or liberty. They are pulled in and fooled by the media.
But a few points. One really important one, and these are mostly real brief, is
regarding the federal courts telling Trump he can’t to this or that,
that’s all a ruse, complete con job, completely. >> You are correct.
>> I ask everybody here to tell me, anybody here to tell me where the Constitution
gives the federal courts, Supreme Court, any authority over the President of the
United States is actions. >> And that fact right there actually is what tells you
that they are part of Part of the con game. Yeah, that’s exactly it right there.
Yeah, and it’s the conspiracy This is evidence of the power of the conspiracy that
all the media and all the people are have less than a fourth -grade education
Regarding civics thinking that the federal courts all there Knocking him down when he
was trying to do something good and that’s the con game to make it Appears though.
He’s doing something good. This has happened about eight times between his first
administration and this one, the asylum, remember when they said, “Oh, you can’t keep
people that are asking for asylum on the other side of the border,” and so forth.
None of these so -called good things that he wants to do that he says they tell
him he can’t do are constitutions. Any godly president that knows even a fourth
grade level civics would the president would should be saying you have no authority
over me site in the constitution were the power to restrict my action and by the
way if they had power how are they gonna enforce that what if trump says no i
don’t want to do that they have no way enforce it how did the founding fathers
give a power to a branch of government that has no way of enforcing their power
power. Yeah, you are exactly correct. You reminded me though of one of the other
things that bothers me is that recently Trump’s been talking about revoking
citizenship of all kinds of people left and right, right? Now, are there any talking
heads, I haven’t seen any anyways, calling them out on that? No, they’re not going
to say anything because they’re going to just let them get away with it. It’s
another constitutional constitutional thing that they’re gonna allow him to usurp.
Alan, you had your hand up a minute ago. Did you have something you still wanted
to say or
did we lose you? You still here? Alan Porter.
I couldn’t get the mic turned back on. Oh, gotcha. Come here. I was gonna,
I’d left for a little while, So I didn’t hear what Ben had said,
but I think one of the things we got to do is even in ignorance is to stand up
and tell people how we feel. Tell people what we think is right, even out of
ignorance. I don’t,
a bold person
It’s people’s attention and someone else will say yeah, I kind of believe in that I
When lot was looking for one righteous person or Dan or whatever. I don’t think
there was that many unrighteous people There was just a whole bunch of sheep that
wouldn’t make a stand that didn’t want to get involved Alan, let me ask you a
question. So you put in a plane to flight you have no experience flying a plane at
all hey cuz you’re ignorant and you’re gonna be bold you’re gonna try to take off
is that a sound strategy ignorance is never of course well I would say maybe like
in that giving that same scenario and I’m not it’s a balanced thing to me it’s
there we don’t want to just do nothing, you know, because we’re afraid we don’t
know enough. Like, let’s say the the pilot has a heart attack, and there’s nobody
on the plane up in the air that knows how to fly it. I’m going to do my best to
try and get us down to the ground alive. Yeah, but I don’t know anything. There’s
a good chance I’m going to kill everyone, but I can’t not do something. And so
right, but but that’s a false. That’s what What do you call the that’s not the
situation well situation Alan said
Without necessity of trying to save lives. Can I do a little clarifying maybe? Yeah.
Yeah go for it When I went out in the mission field in north, Texas There was a
church Christ minister going around and chewing up the green elders and they’d get
they’d go home
This guy approached me and I unloaded on him and Elder Cannon and my trainer,
he says,
“Brother Porter,” he says, “You’ve coded the Book of Mormon, the Doctor and Comments,
Pearl of Great Price. The guy doesn’t know a damn thing that you’re talking about.”
And my response was, “It was all the Word of God. That’s all that matters.”
the guy didn’t get nowhere. I was creating missionary scriptures and seminary
scriptures. So even though we don’t know everything, the little bit we know,
if we know truth, we’ve got to stand up and say the truth that we know,
because it does make an impact. If that was the church of Christ minister coming,
I’m sure he had to go nurse his butt when he left.
Well, I definitely, I definitely want to agree with you. I think that the way what
we have to remember is do what we can with what we have. And I think that’s the
point that Ben was trying to make a minute ago. We, you know, we can’t wait, like
Mark was saying earlier,
Until we know everything we know that we’re ignorant, right? We don’t know everything
So we can’t just sit around and not do anything until we know everything and
that’ll never happen So you you are correct. We have to do what we can with what
we have But I never said we have to know everything No,
I know I know but I mean you were talking about what we were we don’t know all
this stuff And that’s that I was just kind of Exaggerating it a little bit but the
point is again we can be frozen because we know we don’t know everything but I do
agree with Alan that we need to be bold enough to do what we can with what we
have but the counterpoint I wanted to make and I think it’s a super important
principle that scriptural is that at the same time we have to be humble enough to
be corrected so if that minister had been correct about something and corrected you
on something you said, then you should have accepted that, right? And I was a
missionary too, and I had those things happen to me. There were times I spoke out
of turn. I said something I didn’t really know enough about and I was corrected.
And we have to be humble enough to accept that. And I think that it goes with us
in Politics as well so bear what were you gonna say you look like you had some I
was gonna say it’s time’s up Let’s get to we’re gonna get to the open forum and
close up the meeting Thank you, Rod. I appreciate the effort that you put in
tonight’s training. I appreciate everybody’s comments and Let’s go ahead to have a
closing prayer Linda stole would you say the closing prayer for us?
If I can get You’re good. You’re unmuted. Oh, I’m unmuted. Awesome.
Yes, I will.
Okay. Our dear heavenly fathers, we can be for thee tonight. We’re grateful for the
discussion that we have been exposed to and the thoughts and the purity of hearts
of the man who are and the men and the women who are trying to find truth.
and as we move forward trying to find the way to follow thee and follow correct
principles that we might have thy guidance and thy spirit to be with us. We ask
thee to bless us that we might be brave and that we might be wise and that we
might be holy that we might be able to determine how to save our country,
how to reach out to those we love and have them join with us and that we might
see the direction to go. We’re thankful for all of those who have helped,
who are teaching, training, sharing, and supporting one another. We ask you a
blessings that we might have thy spirit to be with us and these things we pray for
in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Thank you.
