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Certainly, our Dracarine and loving Father in Heaven, we thy sons and daughters, thy servants, come before thee tonight to hear the messages that Banner has seen up there,
to understand the tyrants who are destroying our liberties and our freedoms and what we can do to make a difference. While we ask the special blessing and protection and guidance upon Ben and his family,
that they will be directed as to how to avoid those tyrants who would seek their lives, their liberty, and their sake around them. While we ask that blessings and peace be upon our hearts and souls and minds,
that we will be prepared to listen and to take action as thou would direct us to do so. We pray for thy blessings and peace to be upon our hearts and upon all those who will participate in this meeting tonight,
and that the messages will be shared or in line to get the message out, to bring light to what’s going on and how to defeat these enemies that are working so vigorously to destroy our freedom.
We pray for the blessings of peace and guidance and love to fill our hearts and minds according to their will. And we say these things and pray these things unto thee according to our faith in the sacred and holy name of Jesus Christ.
Amen. Amen. Thank you, Bobby. Go ahead, Garmin. If you’d give us our minutes for June 3rd. Um,
Tree and Liberty Society Minutes for Monday, June 3, 2024. The opening prayer was offered by Joyce Mitchell.
Minutes were given by Carmen Turner. Ben said there was a new feature on the website, Word of the Day. Communities to English Dictionary,
he reminded us about the book club for Wednesday night. Training was taking a deeper look at the scores, and this was pertaining to SRA,
which is Satanic abuse. Abuse. He said failing to recognize or training was going to be a critical look at this and a clinical look at the SRA.
He said it’s very disturbing. We’re failing to recognize the situation, who we’re facing, understanding where we’re at and we need to inoculate ourselves.
It is the protection of the Satanists. He did give a warning about the evening’s training and that it was very disturbing evidence.
These people are being protected in their crimes. Only two people are charged out of hundreds of people who testify against them.
And it’s not because of not enough prosecutors. It’s that they, there is no accountability for evil persons. Mentioned House Bill 196 of Ken Ivery Bill that creates SRA a crime.
And they chose not to make this bill, to introduce this bill, making SRA legal, illegal. Joyce comment, Joyce Mitchell commented that they did pass.
It did pass in committee. Um, been asked, are we going to vote harder now? We are wicked. If we allow this to continue.
Phil Jensen mentioned that the facts are there and they’re spot on, but they only scratch the surface. Joyce said to her,
it’s all sounds too common. Due to her background, Francie Gwynne also commented and said that all that Ben has said is true and worse.
Elior is sad, their time is coming to an end. He asked how widespread in Utah and the church. And Francy Gwynn said,
commented about a 1993 programmer that she saw in Burley, Idaho. And he said it was very heavy in the church.
Ben commented on the pacemamble. Francie Gwynn said that in the 70s, Levitt’s son was asking for help that he had been raped.
I think that was Biden’s son not Levitt. Okay, is this Francie?
The last Becky? No. Let’s ask Francie when we can get to her because I had a question about that and I think I asked the question and she said that it was Levitt’s son that was asking for help.
So let’s remember to ask her when we see her, okay? Let’s verify this. Becky talked about the video of a woman that she was abused in this.
She named Packer details of tunnels and rituals. Francie said she has lots of stories about that.
Alan Arthur commented that sexual deviants were working there. Ben commented about the Bohemian Grove using male prostitutes.
Alan Arthur said he worked with men in jobs, all Levitt supporters, and were Levitts involved as a family.
Ben commented probably in respect to Eleor’s comment about how they were initiated into this,
And the comment that Elior made was well passed already, but he did ask if it was intergenerational, and it appears right here,
Ben answered that question and said, yes, it was multi generational. Well, Francie said that, yes,
they wouldn’t be allowed to marry outside of the grid. The closing prayer was offered by Becky Connolly. So Becky,
let’s remember when we see Francie come on. Is she on yet, Ben? No, I don’t see her on yet.
Okay. Well, let’s see if we can ask her. Okay. Okay. Respectfully respectfully submitted by Carmen Turner. – Great. Does anybody else have any further questions or anything regarding either the minutes or just what they remember personally from last week’s training?
Okay, then yeah, we’ll make that official and we’ll go ahead and move on and go from there okay well we’ve got a couple of things I wanted to show off before we get started into training one of them got some breaking news here on in the shop we got as I mentioned before we have our nun shall none can deliver a shirt and then this has just been put up today we have a lion for the Lord shirt and different options
there. Fantastic artwork, lovin’ it. And then we have one, people have requested it, image on the back and so this one,
the image is on the back of the shirt and then you have the text on the sleeve and so that’s So some some great new things to help us to just make good conversation and be able to to be a light to other people So I appreciate and I know same and Samantha’s been working also trying to see what we can do for hats and so before you ask That’s it’s it’s it’s something being worked on so The next thing I wanted to
draw your attention to is a video that was just posted today on the website right here that I would really like to draw your attention to it.
It is it covers most of the material that we covered last week. But it is more. I don’t go and do some of the graphic details here for clear reasons.
I invite people to check out the documents for themselves if they would like to dig more into that. But I keep it more on the,
just the clinical, not going into the details, but exposing what’s really going on, showing what’s going on, having links to previous reports on that topic.
And and then three different recognizing that there is a likelihood that several different if not if YouTube doesn’t maybe rum you know if rumble doesn’t maybe YouTube will take off the video because of its content and so we have that one plus we have a direct link to my personal dropbox is embedded here so whether if If it will be there for anyone that wants it,
no matter what any of the platforms do. And so, and then we have the links so that people can look into it themselves. And then I even put up the transcript so that people could read and do word searches if they would like to.
So, Any questions on this? No,
okay. I would like to encourage everyone to share that as far and wide. This is a key element of waking people up and realizing what’s really going on and so they stop continuing on and following the same solutions that they’ve been doing for the last 50 years that are obviously designed not to work.
And this helps people to see why they don’t work, why voting harder doesn’t work, all those things. So this is an important piece of the puzzle that needs to get out there.
Whatever we can do to get it out there is very, very important. So tonight, I wanted to focus on,
you know, we’ve been talking about some pretty heavy things. And so I like to bring it back to what do you what do you do? Why? Why isn’t the things that you’ll hear on the corporate media or on alternative media?
Why aren’t those the solutions? Why are they distracting us with these different things like lawsuits and indictments and elections and rallies and whatnot?
Why are they focusing on those things and what should we be focusing on? So I wanted to bring it back and do it in a way where it’s not just a repeat of things we’ve done before But really helping us to see some some tangible things.
And there’s there tonight when I was preparing for tonight’s training, there was like a bunch of things I was like, we need to get into. But then I was like, at the same time, I was like, I didn’t want to have it be, again, information overload.
I wanted to kind of bring it down to bite size pieces. So, hey, here are some here’s it’s a multitude of things. So we can say, OK, I can’t do that right now but I can’t do this right so I’m not like oh I can’t do this so I just can’t I’m not gonna do anything but there’s gonna be a multitude of options but at the same time I’m hoping that it’s not so many options that we just get overwhelmed and then we go
back to doing nothing or going back to doing the things that we’re used to doing and so that’s kind of the the goal of you know what is the next steps right because I you I would see these things,
the natural moral reaction to the horrors of of these topics is just go lop in heads and not saying not to go do it.
I’m just saying that there are things that should be, you know, that might be done in tandem or in advance, you know, that we can lead up to the killing, no murder things in the book.
So I want to just bring about again, what do we always talk about? Right? Modern solutions don’t work. I’m hoping that if I repeat that enough times, those of us that haven’t had that sink in yet,
well, we’ll have it sink in. Of course, what does work is what the conspiracy is afraid of, and they are united left and right against. And that leads us to enforcement of those things.
Okay. This is what we need to remember. So, and of course, these modern solutions are designed to fail, voting, running for office, lawsuits, petitions, initiatives,
letter writing, these are designed to fail. They are designed to get you spinning your wheels, make you think you’re making progress while the same things continue on and nothing actually changes for the better,
but actually get worse down the road. Because People, right, we’ve looked at, you know, people have been happy about certain elections. What are we better off now?
You know, lawsuits, people have pointed out, oh, a victory, a victorious lawsuit over here. Are we better off still? No, we’re not. Petitions, initiatives, right, where we are continuing on the same direction that One step backwards,
two step forwards, when we focus on these things, not real victories. All of these are designed to give the conspiracy more power.
It legitimizes the conspiracy, it legitimizes their their power, legitimizes their authority, and it doesn’t put us in the direction of going on the offense. It’s continually on that hamster wheel.
And then, of course, what they fear, and these are some of the things that we’ll be getting into, but just to kind of have an overview of what it is, right, is it’s their afraid of separation.
They are afraid of your non -participation in their system, right? Their system of economics, government, and education, they are scared of those things.
Non -participation separation of that is just that’s why they make fun of it. It’s why they make it difficult to do. Nothing scares them more.
So I want to look at there’s different things, right? There’s macro. There’s the bird’s eye view, the high view. Those are the things I just covered. That’s the macro know,
what do you work towards of separating economically, separating politically and separating it on education? Education might be the easiest, but it’s still a macro.
It’s the goal. And but the, you know, the, the micro, we get down to the ground level. How do you implement the macro? Right?
It doesn’t just the thing we see on the left doesn’t just happen. You have people, you know, picking things, people planting things, people taking care of things,
and different things, and so I wanted to kind of focus more on the micro today. So the first things first is what leads us to that separation,
what leads us to an enforcement. Thomas Jefferson said no government can continue good, but under the control of the people and their minds are to be informed by education,
what is right and what wrong to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice. These are the inoculations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government.
So once we find out these things, we get a little bit of knowledge. I’ve said this a million times of, you know, education without action leads to frustration, action without education leads to fanaticism.
We we learn a little bit about currently those pesky corrupt Democrats. And so now we’re going to spend all of our effort getting Republicans elected. Did that help us at all.
No, it made things worse. And so we have to, we have to do the groundwork. We have to build the foundations. We have to do the non -sexy work that Jefferson is talking about here of educating,
of building understanding. Because if we don’t, we are not going to be able to have a solid and secure structure. George Washington said the same thing he says truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light.
We have to make the effort to bring the truth to light no matter how frustrating it can be because if we don’t then the lies will continue on and that they those lies will continue to guide the direction that people take the lies that lawsuits work the lies that elections or the lies that you know contacting a Satanist to tell him to do the right thing is going to work.
We have to tell the truth about these things, and when we take the pains to do so, we will be able to actually have effective action. Some great important lessons from many are called but few are chosen on this,
along these lines I want to bring out. It says, “No person can consciously obey a law unless he knows what that law is. Thus, the ability to obtain any goal is impossible without a knowledge of the pertinent facts and laws.
I would submit to you that a majority of people do not understand natural law. They do not understand the conspiracy. They do not understand the constitution.
They do not understand any of those things in a morality, any of those things that are necessary for a free government is not generally understood even amongst,
and I’m not even talking about the guy that’s watching your stupid reality shows. I’m talking, there is no knowledge amongst those that are political activists. And so it’s impossible for them to be able to take the read action.
So if one bases his actions upon false information and principles, his failure is certain. His efforts rendered futile and the exercise of freedom frustrated.
If that’s not what we see right now, I don’t know what that what is. This just lays it all out and why that hard work of building understanding is so vital. Consequently,
one who deceives or deliberately misleads is condemned by both the laws of God and man. The effect of perverting the truth hinders or prevents compliance with law and destroys agency.
These people that are out there lying saying that these things work, they are destroying agency. They are literally on Satan’s side, which makes them Satanists.
In contrast, one of the most approved and righteous of all callings is to increase agency by disseminating truth, thereby increasing men’s ability to reach their goals.
So when you go out there and you help build people’s understanding of correct principles, you are continuing on the battle that allowed you to get a body in the first place.
You are helping people to increase their agency. You are a warrior for Christ,
because you are increasing agency, which is what Christ fought for. That’s what you’re doing when you help to overcome those lies that are out there by these satanic conspirators. And then the scriptures lay out this principle as well.
We see in D &C 11, “Lord says to first seek to obtain my word, and then shall your tongue be loosed. Then if you desire, you shall have my spirit and my word,
yea, the power of God unto the convincing of men.” And so our job is to step one, is to gain more knowledge than we have. And then after we gain that knowledge, We can have the Spirit to have our tongue loosed to now share that with information with other people so that they can then increase their agency.
The Lord says in D &C 88, “Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becomeeth every man who has been warned to warn his neighbor.” So once we’ve been able to gain this information,
and you know, that’s not like, You know, we don’t have to say, oh, you know, as soon as I know as much as Ben or as soon as I know much, you know, as much as so and so, then I can go out and do it. Hopefully that’s not what I’m saying.
I don’t want us to, you know, paralysis by analysis. We don’t want to, you know, be ever learning and never coming to a knowledge with the satisfaction enough to be able to go out and preach.
No, we need to start learning. And then once we learn something, we start to share that. That’s an essential tool and that we start to do it immediately. Any thoughts,
questions so far? Comments? Okay, let’s go on.
So then how do we build our understanding, right? There’s things that we need to do. And so what we’ve done at the Tree of Liberty Society is build tools for you so that you can start to do that. The first thing is our website,
going through and reading the articles that are listening, reading the articles or watching the videos on the website. Go through our educational resources and listen to the audio,
read the text, read the downloads, watch the videos in each of those sections to build our understanding on natural law, proper role of government, the constitution,
the conspiracy, nullification, etc. And then of course go through our boot camp. If you’ve been had the opportunity to at least go through the boot camp, you are on your,
you are right there, you’re at that stage where you can start sharing with confidence and not feel like you’re going in the wrong direction. And then if you’ve gone through all of the educational resources,
you are an expert. Anybody, you should be, you know, confident that if anybody talks to you about a subject, if you don’t know the answer right then, you’ll know where to go find it. And so those tools are available to help you to start to build your understanding so that then your tongue can be loosed and you they’re,
you know, this, this knowledge with other people, you’ll know what, what they need. Next thing is go to the member training archive, go over past trainings, read our book,
you know, our books, invasions volume one and two, read the book, killing, no murder, reading is going to be essential. And then, you know,
at the, our audio, our podcast, when we’re on all the major platforms. So whatever podcast you have on your phone or whatever device you have, you just go look for the Tree of Liberty Society radio.
How’s that logo? And just when you’re driving, when you’re exercising, when you’re gardening, just whenever, if you’re listening, ’cause there’s gonna be, there are actually many,
in fact, audio presentations on that app, that aren’t articles and that aren’t videos.
And so you’re gonna get additional information there that you don’t get the other places. And so it’s a great tool to be able to help build that understanding. So then how do we help build the understanding in others?
‘Cause that’s the next step, right? We’ve started to build our understanding now. We wanna help build others understanding. And so the these are just easy steps for us.
So you go to our Facebook page, if you’re on faith, I’m not saying to go and start a Facebook page if you don’t already have them. But if you already got one, here’s an easy thing. Subscribe to the Tree of Liberty Society. And then when a new post comes up,
you go there and you like, you share and you comment. That helps the algorithms, The sharing part is really good because then people that aren’t on our page will now see the article that they wouldn’t have seen otherwise.
This is on Instagram. That’s the button for sharing. And then this is, oh, sorry, that’s not Instagram. This is Twitter. This is Instagram. So if you’re on all of those,
subscribe, share, and do what you can to help the algorithms there with comments and likes and that kind of stuff. And then of course,
you know, whatever platforms you’re on sharing. The next thing is to get our books and share those books, order these for other people. Just this just happened. Just I gave a presentation to a private organization like a group in Central Utah a couple of weeks ago.
And afterwards, the guy in charge of it was really excited and he ordered 30 copies of Volume 1 and 2. And now their group is gonna, every single week,
they’re gonna get together and they’re gonna study, their weekly study is gonna be out of Volume 1 and 2. And so now, you know, they’re, and so we have now an even larger group of people that are not gonna be just reading it,
but discussing it and studying it together. and just imagine what kind of understanding, and then because of that understanding, that new understanding, what is their action,
what is the change going to be in their lives to be able to start to apply these things and not to fall for the lies that they’ve had ingrained in them their entire lives?
What kind of changes that that’s going to have? And so if all of it maybe once a month. You know, we have a goal of getting finding an individual that will read these books that we can buy copies and share with.
You know, whatever it is, maybe your goal, you know, maybe that’s too much for you. Maybe it’s not, maybe you’ll increase it. Maybe you’ll say, okay, every other month, I’m going to find somebody. But whatever your goal is, set a goal, have copies on hand that you can be able to share with people.
That’s going to be really, really important. The next thing you can do to help build understanding is something a little less in depth,
and that’s our slim gyms. You can contact me and I’ll send you some. You can go on the website and download them and have a local printer take care of it for you,
but that’s a great tool because these are calls to action, things that they can do, and it That’s what we’re doing. We have our pass along cards again, the same same concept that it directs people to our website and then they can go and build their understanding.
And then we have our book club. And so if you’re inviting people to our book club, that’s going to, you know, even if they’re not reading the book or how about like after they’ve read the book, hey, come on the book club and we’ll discuss it.
All of these different things will help to build somebody else’s understanding, you can be the agent in helping to increase someone else’s agency by doing one or all of these things.
Another thing that people can do is, of course, invite people to an event that we have on a regular basis. Go to the website,
events and classes, bring them out. Share our educational resources page a lot of the things right that it would encourage you to do for yourself Just do the same thing is share it with some just somebody else Share the the bootcamp with somebody else share an article from the website with somebody else Building their understanding and then another thing that we can do is take action by not acting that can seem
counterintuitive But but that’s what nullification is all about right? Satan the Satanist in government say you know obey us do we say and we’re gonna be like hey, you’re you’re a Satanist No,
how much easier is it to? They’re not doing something That’s that’s the natural course of things and that’s that’s what we need to do more of Nothing we need to do more nothing and then another action item that we can take is of course getting into that independent.
So I talked about, you know, how do we separate economically? Here are some ways. Grow a garden. And this is along the lines of saying no as well, because in most jurisdictions across the country,
as you know, it’s illegal to grow a garden without a permit or without, you know, and so the permit license, I think it’s permit. And so if you just go and build a grow a garden, You’re nullifying and you’re becoming more independent from the economic system,
homeschooling. You’re saying no, I’m not going to be a part of your government church and you are building a new generation of individuals that will not be brainwashed by the government school system.
Start a small business so you’re no longer an employee, you are more free in many ways in regarding taxes, regarding regulations, regarding your schedule, regarding, you know,
what you can do to be able to further the cause of liberty. Getting yourself, you know, the, every single major hour company and gas company across the country is a conspirator country.
I mean, company, they are, they are spending your money that you are paying them were electricity and gas to further the globalist agenda, the anti -family agenda. And so things that you can do to be able to get off grid,
whether it’s getting a well, whether it’s getting solar, whether it’s getting wind, whether it’s getting, you know, whatever it is, finding different ways to get off grid is going to remove money from their system.
It’s going to make it so you’re more independent. Can you imagine if you know you have a what’s it called a branch Davidian style standoff and the government is not able to cut off your power because you are separate from the power grid.
How much you know free are you going to be there and how much more of an advantage are you going to be able to have? I’m homesteading just leaving the city. Cities,
I’ve talked about this before. Cities are where slaves are made. We need more of us to leave the cities if we want to be truly free and separate and in a position to actually defend yourself.
It is much easier to defend yourself when you’re outside of the city than when you’re in the city. And then learning a new skill, right? Gardening is going to be a new skill.
If you learn to garden, that’s a new skill that’s going to help you be independent. If you have a skill of building something, you know, you learn how to build something or how to repair something, those are going to be important things to help you financially and politically be independent from the system.
So these are just a few things that we can look at, say, okay, I can pick one of those things, I can pick two of those things, and then have those others as goals to do it. Another action thing that we all need to do is do more of is be willing to shock people,
right? Sometimes it takes a good whack across the face to wake us up. We’re asleep to what’s going on and we just need a good smack to the face to realize what’s going on.
They, you know, it’s it’s shocking the intelligent among us to the realization of what’s really going on. We shock people with images. We can shock them with facts.
Look at this, right? We shock them with images of our elites worshiping Satan. If that doesn’t shock them, move on. If this doesn’t horrify them and shock them,
what is actually done to babies that babies have their brains sucked out of their heads of the vacuum and that or dismembered and murdered and tortured in this way. If that doesn’t shock them into standing up for what’s right,
nothing will, and they’re just monsters and bad immoral people and they just move on. Shocked them with economics. That the fact that the government has stolen so much from us through inflation.
Now I don’t know what to say about taxes through inflation. Just ignore taxes. If you don’t make $30 an hour, you’re making less than a McDonald’s employee in 1963.
Somebody’s not shocked by that. And that’s just, the theft that’s going on with that is just, these are things that can shock people to the situation that we’re in. And this will help us then to identify who we’re dealing with,
right? Because these are people that you can’t have a reasonable discussion with. So kind of going back to who do we share these books with? Who do we share,
you know, we’re spending money to, whether it’s a book or whether it’s a pass -alone card, that’s still money. So is it worth the investment? Okay, just ask yourself this question.
Someone who thinks it’s reasonable to tear a baby apart and suck its brains out. That’s somebody after you talk to them and they think that’s, you know, hey, we just, women need to have the right to do that. Don’t waste your time.
Or they’re a monster. Someone who thinks it’s reasonable to be ruled over by Satanists. Don’t waste your time. Someone who thinks that we can’t hold people to their oath to God,
right? Every single state legislature said Legislator, every governor, every city council, every county council individual, every elected official has sworn an oath to God and they’re blasphemers.
And if somebody doesn’t think that it’s a big deal to blaspheme God’s name, move along. Someone who thinks it’s okay to have men in girls locker rooms or men dressed as horrors or satanic circus clowns reading If somebody thinks that that’s normal and that’s okay,
nothing big deal about that, just move along. Don’t waste your time, don’t waste your money. And then someone that wants to have a seat at the table with those that think the above.
You know, maybe they think that all those things are bad, but hey, we need to have a seat at the table with people that are at that table. Otherwise, we won’t be able to make an impact. They’re going to compromise,
They are going to support there. They if they don’t they’re more afraid of losing a seat at that table than they are of doing the right thing. They’re immoral and and we need to call them out for that.
And we need to realize that ourselves and we need to use that information to to identify who does not need to, you know, to have our time and resources wasted on them.
Ben yeah Yeah, that reminds me of this Satanic stupid campaign that governor Cox keeps pushing and all the favorite,
you know Conspirator businesses go along with it’s to disagree better He’s been doing this like his whole his whole tenure because they’re anticipating What’s coming down the line and that people are going to get fed up and people are going to start recognizing this as satanic and unacceptable and must be stopped and they’re going to be righteously angry.
And so how do we, you know, how do we calm the raging mobs before they get whipped up, right? So they’re brainwashing and programming us to disagree better and be civil and talk in nice calm voices and and just eat eat it right eat the garbage and eat the insanity.
And so we can’t we can’t play along with that kind of propaganda and brainwashing. And I see it in the church and I see it in other churches I see it just in older generations where they just.
It hasn’t worked. We’ve tried that decade after decade after decade. It doesn’t work to compromise and talk nicely to Satanists and plea with them or write certainly worded letters to You know reason with them.
These are not reasonable people. They hate everything God and Those that love Christ stand for. So you can’t disagree better with them.
You literally make a note of who’s for Satan and move on like you’re saying to, you know, enlist people on our side to take a stand.
But it just they’re going to try and stop you from doing all of these things preemptively. And we have to see it coming. – Yeah, yeah,
I like what you said there because they’ll tell you to disagree better, but do they follow their own rules? Of course they don’t. Cox himself calls anybody that disagrees with him a right wing extremist.
So is that disagreeing better? If that’s disagreeing better, then everything we’re doing here is right on board. But of course they’re you into thinking that, oh, you know,
pointing out the fact that they’re, you know, in favor of vacuuming out babies’ brains. Oh, you’re, you know, you’re an extremist. You’re the one being, you know, you’re not disagreeing better. You need to be more rational and more calm with your discussion.
Yeah, you’re anti -woman, right? Anti -choice, or you’re, you know, prejudice or racist and all the ugly words. You’re right.
They own those. They’re allowed to give themselves permission for that. So just own it. Like I just, you know, and I know you do, obviously. Just own it. Yep. I judge all the time.
Yep. I am anti -evil women. Yep. I am, you know, anti all that stuff. Just own it and expect it. And they can be the ugly ones and we can get,
you know, get business done. You know, yeah, the double standards always been there. We know that. Yep. Can you hear me? I’m at my kid’s house.
I’m using earphones. There’s background noise. I apologize. Sam said that older people are more adapt to being passive.
I don’t think we’re adapt to being passive. It’s just that some in our family have made mistakes and we’re scared to death of coming right out and condemning them where we’re stamped with a thing of being extreme and not negotiable.
And I think that comes because What we learned to be right We don’t want to compromise on it We want to stay with what’s right keep a hold of the iron rod quit talking about bending it but when your kids have made those mistakes,
it’s really hard to to say things to innate your most loved ones.
Yeah. Yeah. I didn’t I didn’t need to point fingers at all. I think it’s just decades of anyone like I’ve been you know, propagandized for decades. I just think you just have heard it more.
I think it goes to you can’t force you can’t force these principles and teachings on people. You can throw it out there and invite them. If you see they’re not interested or fighting back,
like you really do, you really do have to back off and give people that space. You can’t force your true principles, what you’re understanding on anyone.
And that’s a really hard thing to do, especially when I’m sure we all have remember when we’ve awakened and we’re like learning these stuff and we want to like talk to everyone like, did you see that do you see how satanic they are and point it all out and it freaks out everyone around us but it’s like our our therapy you know like to talk about all this stuff with everyone in our family and save them and it’s
and I’ve made a lot of mistakes as well in sharing things with people who are no nowhere near ready to hear them and so like Ben saying here.
And I don’t see it, but you mentioned it. Like if people don’t even believe in like morality and like certain concepts of being free and liberty and whatever it is,
I mean, this is this is a good list. But there’s there’s other things. Absolutely. You just you have to just back off and give them the space to figure it out. And pray that God will touch their heart and that they can learn in time.
But this is hard stuff. Like just backing off is really, really hard. – Yeah, especially if you,
you know, the close ones, right? But I think that, you know, part of this, what I’m trying to share here is, what did the Lord say about who He loves? He says, “I love whom I,
I chase in whom my love. And so we have this, we’ve been lied to about what love is. And so we, does the Lord just coddle us in our,
you know, in our wickedness? Or does he, you know, lay it out and say, what is the consequence for that action? And then, you know, re, re prove them with sharpness,
and then with a, with a fall to the increase of love so that they don’t esteem you as an enemy, Of course show them that you’re willing to help them to do the right thing if they want and if they don’t You set hard lines of what those and you know in the cause of liberty what I’m speaking out here of people that you’re going to Share this material with you know that these are some some things that you’re just
going to be like, okay I just don’t share these things with you because you obviously it’s casting pearls before swine And we’re just going to move on and find those individuals, be hunters of men,
and find them that are going to benefit from you sharing and you building their information and you expanding their agency.
But I agree it is hard, especially when it’s, we have an emotional attachment to family members and whatnot. And so I definitely don’t disagree with and it’s it can be very that’s one of the most difficult scenarios.
Thank you both. Yeah, I think all those things were important to bring up. And so what we’re talking about, these are drastic proposals, right? This is not a cream puff or we need to realize that what we face is real and it’s dangerous.
I think the our failure to grasp how truly dangerous this conspiracy is is preventing us from take the net taking these drastic proposals that need to be taken if we actually want freedom.
This is not a pillow fight and we cannot treat it like it is. We have to face squarely the fact that unless we are willing to take drastic steps and a lot of them and very drastic indeed,
we haven’t a chance in the world of saving our lives, our religion and our families. We need to really. And that’s why I’ve really taken the time to be a little bit more hard with these subjects recently,
because we’ve I’ve been to cream puff. I’ve been to pillow of fetish on what it is that we’re facing. But we are facing a group of violent,
deadly Satanists that are in a death cult that want to destroy everyone, the land, you know, the freedom of all lands, nations and countries and bring destruction to all men.
That’s that’s not that’s nothing small. That’s not light. And that’s not far away. And if we start to think of it as,
oh, that’s somewhere else, then we’re going to not take the drastic actions that are necessary. And so there’s a call to action when I’m asking everybody,
you know, just, you know, out of all of these things, at least do this. If you’re on social media, share this new article that we just video that we just put out on all the social media platforms that you have that you have with those that are of in any of the social media groups that are relevant to this like you’re not going to show this maybe in the gardening Facebook page,
but if you’re in a political Facebook page, this needs to be shared there. If you, you know, if you are on an email list of people that are in like -minded groups.
This article should be this, this link should be sent to those on those on those specific email groups and lists. You know, just the different ways that you would share videos that you,
you know, all of us share videos that we like, whatever it is, and in different, you know, telegram chats, signal chats, whatever it is, wherever we’re at, I’m asking you to as many applicable ones that you are aware of to share them with all of them.
Hey, Ben. Yeah. This is Elior speaking, by the way, for the record. Thank you. Thank you. You bet. Would Troy,
from last dispensation, even consider having this discussion with you? We’ve had it slightly, and the last time that we talked about it, he had his,
he had the video removed and so a strike. So he, he, his, that’s like his, I don’t want to get too much in his personal life.
It’s not fair to him. That’s where he wants to make his money. And he is afraid of anything that would take away his ability to make money on YouTube. And so he does not want to touch this?
Well, man, that stinks, because there are some very big Latter -day Saint YouTube channels like Quick Media or Ward Radio. And an amazing thing would be to have this discussion right here on Quick Media,
Ward Radio, Last Dispensation. So, man, I hope at least one major Latter -day host is, you know, willing to do this kind of thing because it’s the right thing,
you know. Yeah, you would hope so. Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see what the reaction is. I think it’s really important because the evil people do not back down or slow down at all.
They’re pushing this homosexual crap in the schools. It’s all over TV. People need to wake up.
Any acceptance or as you said earlier, a seat at the table, there should not even be a want a seat at this table.
It should be they’re evil. You’re wrong and should be shunned and done everything they can to break these people and take them off that side.
Absolutely. Yep. So that’s the that’s the call to action for tonight. And let’s have a few this will bring us to the point, right?
Where some people will say, this doesn’t matter. There’s other things that we need to be doing. But I would say to you that you don’t do these things that’s happened to me to someone that is ineffective and it’s not a threat to them.
You don’t see this happening to those that are pushing for elections. You don’t see this happening to those that are, you know, wanting to fund lawsuits and petitions and have rallies.
This is, you know, as small as we are. Clearly, we are a threat. Otherwise, these things would not be happening. And if as small as we are,
we can have that as much of a we can instill as much of a fear into these individuals that they are willing to take this these actions against me. Clearly,
these things are effective. You’re not scared of something that’s not effective. You You give equal airtime to things that you’re not afraid of. And so it really shows that,
you know, this this is the solutions. These are the things that are proven throughout history. Natural law shows that these are the things that work.
Natural law shows that the things that we’re talking about that don’t work don’t work. And so I hope that gives us also the the courage to be willing to make the sacrifices to do these things because we know that they work.
We’re not afraid of spending, you know, twenty three dollars a month, you know, a month on distributing books because we know that it’s something that they’re afraid of.
And, you know, something that’s completely free of sharing these videos to help build understanding is something that they’re afraid of. And so this will bring us to the point where the government does fear us.
And that’s when we know we’ve got liberties because they are afraid of us, they are afraid of what we’re doing, they are afraid of what we’re saying. And we will be on that path of going on the offense.
And that’s what we’re doing here is going on the offense. We’re not the political aspect, the voting, the lawsuits, the rallies, that’s defense. You’re always going backwards on defense.
What I’m talking about here is going on the offense, moving forward, taking back lost ground, and that’s the only thing that’s going to work. And it’s the only thing that’s ever been proven to work. And so with just a few minutes that we have left with the time before the official close of the meeting,
do we have any more Questions, comments, thoughts that we’d like to share on this topic before we go into the open forum. The boot camps are really important.
I went through that quite a while ago and still go in and look at different topics from time to time. I think that’s one of the best, easiest resources that people can use to start their understanding and start sharing.
I mean, even if they just took a screenshot of a, you know, a statement or a meme that you post in there, yeah, that does so much good.
And the number of people I’ve shared it with, just sit back and like, where did you find this stuff? And it’s, it’s And that’s when you get the opportunity to teach,
in my opinion, and it’s a pleasure. Yeah, thank you. Absolutely. Hey,
one more question. This is Elior. Um, when spreading the word about this, which I plan on doing tomorrow night on some pages I’m a part of,
is it accurate to say that you do have hard evidence? I mean, do witness testimonies and things like that or victim testimony,
does that count as hard evidence? What would be the best way to word that? Yeah. So what, well, I would first watch it that will, you know, that would definitely help in making sure that you know how to word it accurately.
I watched it. Oh, you did. So I’ll watch it again. So the thing that I focused on was the government felt that it was enough evidence to charge these two individuals.
The same amount of evidence exists for David Levitt and dozens of others. And so if if they felt there was enough evidence, I would say that, A, that means there probably is,
to at least file charges, right? And so they’re saying that there’s enough evidence. That’s number one. Number two is what Glenn Pace says in the memo,
is you have this many witnesses that are not connected together saying the same thing about the same people. That doesn’t happen. And so,
yeah, so we have victim statements and the victim statements aren’t. I would really as uncomfortable as it is to do so,
go through the victim statements. The things that they say, they’re not things that are just made up. Nobody makes these things up. That’s not what you say when you’re making something up. I’ve talked to people that I do believe are making it up.
And it’s a totally different feel language accusation than what these these official victim statements are.
And so there and so just another thing I brought up and the I know I’m not wording it simply for you to be able to, you know, I’m not doing it concise, but just giving concepts that you can then utilize is that there are all kinds of people that are convicted,
not just charged and brought to trial, but people that are convicted with nothing but victim statements. And so. So victim statements are considered legally enough evidence.
So hopefully that answers the there’s hopefully that’s enough to get you going. I would. I would – I would echo the reading,
the victim’s statements. I think there’s something important. Oh, can you guys hear me? – Yep. – Okay. I think there’s something important in understanding at the ground level what we’re dealing with here.
And it tends to be whitewashed every step of the way. Definitely, by the time you hear through the news media, what we’re dealing with is a fraction of what really,
really happened. And so when you read the victim statements, you realize, wow, this was every day for years, multiple times a day, 100 people,
perpetrators, like dozens and dozens of perpetrators, so it is really upsetting and shocking that only two people who have mountains of acts that they perpetrated.
So it really is important to go to read, to get in the weeds on some of this stuff so that you’re not, so number one that you can speak intelligently about it when people go,
Oh, you know, victim statements are reliable. These weren’t done decades later. These aren’t, you know, memories found after a therapist or anything like it. This is very credible stuff.
And the victims are very thorough and very detailed. So stuff like that matters so that you can speak intelligently about that because you’ll get all the naysayers that just trot out all the arguments against,
without even understanding what they’re dealing with. As horrible as those victim statements are, by the way, you know, it really makes you cry.
– It’ll be changed after reading them. – After reading the second book, and I keep getting scared about saying some of the things I learned in it because of the book club and everything but my my feeling was after reading the second book was all these sex all of these elitist people that are trying to take power treacherous treasonous guys are all sexual perverts to one.
All of this stuff goes into sexual perversion. One of the things that I remember reading in church history was Joseph Smith,
who might have been an apostle. He called him an adulterous person, an adulterous person. And the guy said,
“No, I don’t worship idols and I’m not an adulter.” After they held a meeting on it,
found out that he was an adulter. It’s a situation where, now this is, like I said, come from after reading your books.
These evil people all go into sexual predation. And brought up in this meeting as well as last last week about the name of Packer.
That was hard for me because his son was a seminary teacher in Escalani. And I thought the world of a son. but I think last week someone brought up President Nielsen in it and at first I was shocked and then I thought wait a minute here’s a guy that takes an oath to Satan in college and to think you wouldn’t stoop to that you take an oath to Satan and participate in it long enough to where you start making up
the initiations. To me, it makes sense that you can go that far. You start to see the implications.
It starts to open our minds. Well, thank you, Alan. Thank you, everybody, for your comments. We’re going to close up the official meeting after our closing prayer.
We’ll have an open forum. I’m going to ask Samantha, would you be willing to say the closing prayer for us? Sure, thanks. Thank you.
Our Father in Heaven, we are grateful that we’ve had this evening, this time to be able to be a part of this training and learn some important principles that Ben has prepared and that has been on his mind and that are necessary at this point in time in these last days.
We are grateful for his hard work and courage and bringing to light darkness. We’re in. We know that it exists and grateful for his example and us blessing on him and his family and all those that are being brave and being bold and risking security in order to be true and faithful to the commandments and to the gospel and We’re grateful for our knowledge and grateful for thy spirit that teaches us what is true and
to reject Satan and his counterfeits and the lies that are pervasive. Please help us to be discerning. Please help us to be wise, to separate ourselves from evil,
to find those that are like -minded and desirous to build thy kingdom. We’re grateful for our Savior and Redeemer who showed us the way and who bled and died for us and was persecuted and took on all and ransomed us all that we might live again and be free.
We’re grateful for that goodness always and generosity. And for this company and us blessings on everyone in the name of Jesus Christ, amen. – Amen.
