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Our Heavenly Father, we pause the beginning of this training meeting tonight, and thank you for this technology that’s available for us to come together. Although we’re scattered physically,
we are grateful for united minds and thoughts that we can teach each other and for the subject matter that intrigues us and purges us to do things better and to serve them more.
seventh at the Orum Serra Center Theater, election integrity. It’s a public event sponsored by the John Burke Society.
Then launched into training. The training for the night was Christian rebellion to tyrants. Huh.
Only the people fearing government are bad guys. I’m not sure if I got that right. That’s the interpretation of Romans 13. Oh,
okay. Okay, the version of the Roman, okay. 13 interpretation, yeah. So you’re labeled a bad guy if you fear the government.
Is this true? Is that how I’m understanding it? That’s how it’s being interpreted. that people are scared into thinking they need to get vaxes,
but that these will kill. Ben commented on Exodus 2. The mother is Moses hit him for three months,
and Moses was willing to give up an ease of life in living in the palace with the king, and he was willing to pay the price to obey God. Samantha commented that we will be blessed with things that matter the most if we’re faithful to obey God.
Then talked about Elijah and the king wanted to kill him, and that Elijah was a troubler in Israel. Elijah was doing right and he charged the elders of Israel to kill those who go against God.
And talked about Esther 3, where Mordecai did not bow down to the king. A .A., I guess that’s Alan Arthur, right? Yeah.
Evil will try to wipe out all righteousness and how true that is. Ben talked about World War II where the people depended on the government food stamps and they weren’t getting the food even though they’d been promised it because one of their neighbors had a gun.
In Esther four, she wants to see the king. It’s against the law, but the Lord blessed her for disobeying the edict from the king. In Daniel 3,
What are the modern idols for today? And AC in Canada commented how it’s illegal for bishop to tell congregants to obey a commandment.
And that Fauci, he, A .A. from Canada said that Fauci is one of the gods,
the golden idols. Samantha talked about paying taxes to the wicked government and using the money for wicked things, and we need to build courage to legally disobey.
And she said that we’re still supporting Babylon. Wickedness is from the top down. Ben said that Israel is in bondage. There were only three that didn’t obey three guys that did not bow down to the king.
And he said that outside of the mainstream of regular members, lies are told to submit to evil because we’re afraid of man instead of God. The closing prayer was offered by Bobham.
Okay. Any questions, corrections? Yeah, I think there was a part there where it said, Oh,
yeah, there’s AC and AA. Oh, my heavens. Well, now, it would be worse if I was from Canada, too, because then I’d end everything with A.
Okay. And then you’d have a triple A. A, A, A. I better quit. While you’re ahead.
Okay. I just now. Today,
you should have already gotten an email, and we talked about it last week, but I wanted to remind everyone about the public event we have in Orem,
Utah, on the 27th of this month of September. So if you can make it, that’d be awesome. And please spread the word, even if you’re not going to be able to make it, or if you’re not from the area, if you know folks in Utah,
we need to want to get, we want to fill up the room. So it is a free event. There is no charge for the event. and just trying to get everybody. to do that.
Does anybody have any questions about the event or the book club? Okay, no questions. We’ll go ahead and get our spiritual thoughts. Samantha has been nice enough to do that for us tonight.
Samantha, I’ll turn the time over to you. Okay, so I have, you guys hear me okay? Perfectly. History of the Church by Joseph Smith. This is Volume 5.
So going and work and effort on building the kingdom of God.
So it’s a couple paragraphs, but I think it’s worthwhile. When Egypt was under the superintendence of Joseph, it prospered because he was taught of God.
When they oppressed the Israelites, destruction came upon them. When the children of Israel were chosen with Moses at their head, they were to be a peculiar people,
among whom God should place. They had God to make their laws and men chosen by him to administer them.
He was their God and they were his people. Moses received the word of the Lord from God himself. He was the mouth of God to Aaron and Aaron taught the people in both civil and ecclesiastical affairs.
They were both one. There was no distinction. So will it be when the purposes of God shall be accomplished, when the Lord shall be king over the whole earth and Jerusalem his throne.
The law shall go forth from Zion and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. This is the only thing that can bring about the restitution of all things spoken of by all the holy prophets since the world was.
Satan will be bound and the works of darkness destroyed. Righteousness will be put to the line and judgment to the plummet. And he that fears the Lord will alone be exalted in that day.
So as I read that and listen to Joseph and other teachings from, you know, the prophets and and apostles,
it’s so clear that there’s only one system whereby true universal peace and righteousness will reign.
And it is under the priesthood in the government of God. And all these other counterfeits and attempts have failed to fail in America,
unfortunately, had a good run in the beginning. But to put effort in these other governments that we know, there’s prophecy. We have prophet of God, the dispensation of fullness of times telling us,
it’s got to be the Lord’s way now. To me, that’s, it just seems so, it seems antichrist almost to put your energy towards things that will only promote Satan’s governments that he’s running and that he’s in charge.
prosper and to continue by giving it legitimacy, by spending our time, by spending our money in continuing it. Somebody asked me this weekend if they should run for office.
And my response to them was, right, was we should not be spending our time representing Babylon. We should be spending our time building the kingdom of God. And so I appreciate you bringing that up.
I think that’s really, it’s a really good, timely message for us. So thank you somebody else, have any comments or thoughts on that? I like Alan’s comments in the,
and then in the chat, peculiar people with the efforts to make the church more appealing to the world. Does that apply today? Well, I would say truth applies,
correct principles apply always. And if somebody wants to not apply correct to principles, that’s up to them. But as it says in Jeremiah, right, we’re going to, as for me and my house,
we will serve the Lord. So anybody else? Okay.
Thank you, Samantha. If anybody would like to volunteer to give the minutes or not the minutes, but the spiritual thought next week, please reach out. Otherwise, I’ll be reaching out to somebody. example of Daniel.
So, you know, what, what was, what I can just, just picturing people that I talked to today that are, you know, Mormons of one stripe or another, Christians of one stripe or another,
they would, you know, the typical response would be, well, you render under Caesar that which is Caesar’s, or you obey the laws of the land, you do whatever the government says. And you can still,
Daniel can still pray to his, to God. And He has a prayer in his heart. But Daniel didn’t do that. He opened the windows to his room.
And so that everyone could hear him. Everyone could see him violating the law. And so we see him as the exception to the rule.
I can Just imagine just because of the way it’s told that all of the other members of the church, right? The mainstream of the church was doing what the king told them to do.
And Daniel was the exception to the rule. Anybody else have any thoughts, comments? I do. Yeah. I just never noticed that.
It just is really standing out to me in light of present day that the king was. I just think that that’s super glaring to me.
Yeah. And they do use the word conspirator right there in verse 11, right? Oh, yeah. Those conspirators, they came and they found him praying against the law.
And to think how closely this reminds me of, doesn’t it say in the doctrine of covenants that the song of the heart is a prayer unto me.
Yeah. And to think that we went along with the prohibitions here in Canada on singing in church during the COVID pandemic.
Right. That’s crazy. So yeah, you actually were prohibited from praying, right, according to that definition of prayer.
Hopefully there were those that continue to do so in their home. that the Lord,
through his prophet, through his servant, condemns Daniel for doing this. Does he ever say, oh, Daniel, you’re so sweet, but you were wrong? No,
he was always blessed for what he did. He was never condemned. He was never given correction. He was not, nothing was said of how righteous he was.
What a good example he was or is to us today, which is important for us. And all these examples, what that’s the common denominator is not only rebellion to tyrants,
but it is that they were praised and blessed for their rebellion. So then we have the wise men we find in Matthew 2, verse 1,
in the time of King Herod after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea, wise And calling together all the chief priests and scribes of the people,
he inquired of them where the Messiah was to be born. They told him in Bethlehem of Judea, for so it has been written by the prophet. And you,
Bethlehem in the land of Judea, are by no means least among the rulers of Judea. For from you shall come a ruler who is to shepherd my people Israel. Oops,
let me go back. Oh, it continues on. Verse 7. the house they saw the child with mary his mother and they knelt down and paid him homage then opening the treasure chest they offered him gifts of gold frankincense and mer and having been worn in a dream not to return to herod they left for their own country by another road what sticks out to you guys what do we see here in this example Well,
obviously, they didn’t return and report they were supposed to. So they realized, yeah, disobeyed him and, and,
you know, made sure that they did not let him know where they had been and where they found the Savior. Were they rebellious?
Were they wicked for doing this? What do we see? Why did they go a different way? Why did they disobey the king? Yeah, is there a better example? Like, you’re literally saving the savior of the world by disobeying a worldly king.
Like, okay, I think that’s our model example right there, right exactly and then not only that but god sent an angel to tell them to disobey the king yeah just to make sure yeah so it’s not like you know they all this is the lesser you know that they were living a lower law maybe something like that no but god himself said hey you don’t obey king her like he’s teaching directly the principle of not obeying tyrants
yeah is there any better example like that this one would do filled with jealousy,
arrested the apostles, and put them in the public prison. But during the night, an angel of the Lord opened the prison doors, brought them out, and said, go stand in the temple,
and tell the people the whole message about this life. When they heard this, they entered the temple at daybreak and went on with their teaching. When the high priest and those with him arrived,
they called together the council and the whole body of the elders of Israel and sent to the prison to have them brought. But when the temple police were there, they did not find them in the prison,
so they returned and reported. We found the prison security locked and the guards standing at the doors, but when we opened them, we found no one inside. Now when the captain of the temple and the chief priest heard these words,
they were perplexed about them. what am I willing to do?
Am I willing to go to prison because I won’t be silent because I won’t proclaim the name of Christ and I’ll have to refuse him. And so I want to be one of those people that’s strong and is willing to be persecuted.
And the wonderful truth about it is, yeah, it would be hard in the moment. There might be serious repercussions and it could be years, you know, in prison or, or worse,
right? But the beauty of it is that you become like Christ and worthy to be a joint heir with Him when you,
when you make these choices. And so is it not worth it, right? To be acquainted with the Son of God to be like him in every one of these examples to suffer,
come what may, right? If I perish, I perish. live by that,
you know, we will be like these great men that we’re reading about. It won’t be a big deal for us to make the right choice if we understand that our lives are not that long compared to what’s common.
I mean, we’ve got forever in front of us. And we’ve got 60, 80, 100 years, whatever that is, it’s nothing. Absolutely. Yeah. Think Think about the long game as opposed to the just the short -term gains of going along with Satan’s kingdom while it’s in power.
Again, in this example, we have the apostles, again, A, resisting. This reminds me back when we were with the fake pandemic and they had the mask mandates.
And people were, you know, you had these fake conservatives saying, well, what about their property rights to decide? apostles that they were protected in one sense but they still suffered beatings and that were they complaining did they murmur right you have the example for those that believe in the book of mormon of layman and lemuel they were obedient they left israel they left jerusalem with their father but they
murmured the whole time and so these the apostles, they were obedient and they were, they gloried in their beatings.
They did not murmur about their beatings. They were like, we rejoice that we are considered worthy enough to suffer this dishonor because we preach the name of the Lord.
They were not upset that they were beat up for it. It was something that brought them great joy because they were glorifying their lord and what can that teach us today about these things as well so about our situation and the application of these things in our day when people will say you know what about you know i don’t want to suffer that beating i don’t want to have my children lose their father because they
were killed by the government or they were put in jail by the government because that’s not fair to them all these examples they every step of the way every single ounce of persecution that they received was not something to lament but something to praise god over and how does that tell us not only our actions of our attitude towards these things and examples of what it better to listen to you,
that’s up to you guys to decide. For we cannot keep from speaking about what we have seen and heard. We’ve made our decision. You guys can go pound sand. Right.
And so they’re not going to obey the law. These apostles of Jesus Christ are showing their fruits by their actions.
Number 12 of Paul and Silas in Acts 16, when they had brought them before the magistrates, they said, these men are disturbing our city. They are Jews and are advocating customs that are not lawful for us as Romans to adopt or observe.
So they were still seen as Jews, but the church at or the you know the the the Jewish church at the time since they restored it was the again Christ church was restored but they were saying that they were a part of us and they were going against the law of the land the crowd joined in attacking them and the magistrates had then stripped of their clothing and ordered them to be beaten with rods after they had given
them a severe flogging they threw them into prison and ordered the jailer to so violent that the foundations of the prison were shaken and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone’s chains were unfastened okay so any thoughts on paul and silas and their experience they weren’t given a a specific injunction to do anything and they were persecuted i mean it’s not like that suffer and for judgment to come upon
those that are causing you to suffer or take your life or whether it be that you are there’s a miracle um it’s it’s all up to the lord if you’re willing to be an instrument and to be able to you know follow um example of the savior so nothing’s impossible with the lord send an angel sent an earthquake week,
right? We were talking about this. And I’m like, oh, yeah, we got to stop bowing to Babylonian idols and stuff. I literally was caught off guard and did the wrong thing. I’m so embarrassed. So I took my son.
He takes electives at government’s indoctrination camps. He does music there. So unfortunately, I have to go and send him there. And there’s a problem in the office. So I’m in the office.
And right at that moment, they start, I’m talking to the lady behind the counter and they start to do the response,
right? It was embarrassing because I don’t do it when I’m in other situations when we’re at the, you know, events, you know, whatever sports. I don’t do it. I just let everyone else do it.
Anyway, care pressure, whatever, Pavlovian. And so I’m like, oh, I have so much work to do. Like, I really need to plan out all these different scenarios and to think now what I should do and start practicing and just really build up the correct responses.
to pledge allegiance to a physical piece of cloth? Yeah, we should only pledge allegiance to God. And there’s other things that are wrong with that pledge if you read it,
right? So. You actually did a training. If you want to go back on the website and look at the training on the pledge, I encourage you to do so. Sorry, I’m a Canadian. I don’t know about these things.
Oh, you’re good. Well, you just sound. Yeah, I don’t your what your pledge is but ours is terrible i i the only pledge i remember is from cubs scouts and something like uh i promised to do my best to do my duty god the queen in my country to keep the wolf cub pat while i wasn’t a scout and and wait every day so it’s sporting events and all sorts of nonsense you guys don’t have a pledge that everyone does when
you hear the anthem events is usually like the national anthem right oh yeah i guess it’s just now so anthra I got a hot Pledge of Allegiance tip.
You just stand there and you go, that’s what I usually do. And I like to do it just loud enough so that the people around me can hear it.
And then you get like confusion. People are like, is he pledging or is he just being ridiculous? Like what is because yeah i don’t know yeah i usually just stand and i don’t usually put my hand over my heart and then i’ll just mumble really loudly you just say something like ridiculous like i pledge obedience to the state no matter what you know there are other things that i i really do like about your manifestations
of patriotism in your country like the fact that you put in God we trust on your money you know whether or not that’s actually true or is a different than our money yes in name only right yeah I think it’s their God that they trust in yeah I don’t think it’s amen to now I just stand there and listen to them I don’t do anything I’ll stand up to just stand Thank you.
my belly because I’m looking for order to the food yeah we’ve got all of our different ways so what this all breaks down to though is the principle that i want to get to is that god is superior to governments and courts whatever is contrary to god’s law he does not command his people to obey but says they shall do his will that’s from the first presidency of the church of jesus Christ of Latter Saturday Saints in
July of 1886. That’s that’s the principle. And so it’s not about just being rebellious for rebellion’s sake. It’s not just I I’m going to be contrary and I’m going to do whatever I want.
It’s that it’s it is it is an idol just like we’ve been talking about with the pledge when we put something anything above God that is an idol.
When we spend our time, when we spend our focus, we spend our resources, our money on anything that’s more than God or that God has told us not to do specifically as well,
that is idolatry. And we are to obey him and him alone. And that is what this comes down to because we really, we all commit three felonies a day on average.
There’s been lots of studies that show this that laws have just so vague and that. There goes that lunatic again.
It just doesn’t really pack a punch or set an example. You know, this reminds me in Canada, we had a TV game show.
It was broadcast by our national broadcaster, Oregon of the Canadian government, called This is the Law. And it was broadcast during the 1970s. And it would show little incidences,
like they would show a sketch on, they would show this sketch of something that happened. And you were supposed to guess what was the violation of the law that these people were guilty of in this like three -minute sketch or whatever.
And it eventually probably became untenable for the CDC to broadcast because it cast disrepute on the justice system for how many silly and absurd things were against the law.
That’s funny. But if this is the case and we’re to obey God over government, my charge is that if we’re going to break the law anyways,
we should do it with intent. We should know what felonies that we’re committing and do it on purpose. I will do my part right now of opening my window.
In fact, my window. for your child.
And so that is that is that is one of the felonies that I commit. Another felony is that I drive on a driver’s license from a state that I do not live in.
That is a felony that is actually a greater felony than the than a DUI. So it would be less of a crime for me to drive drunk than it is for me to drive with an Arizona driver’s license on me.
And so those are, those are just two examples of felonies that I commit every day. And I do it with intent. I have picked them.
I didn’t, I didn’t just, I, well, I, you know, I said, and that gives us to our point is, is what do we have to ask ourselves, right? Is this just me being rebellious? And I do those things knowing window he sends you know calls me into the government i could go to jail tomorrow i i fully recognize the consequence and i do it anyways and so when i pick these things the things the felonies that i commit and and
i suggest that these are principles that we can all follow of choosing which felonies that we are going to commit is we ask ourselves is the government authorized to make a law in the Constitution on this subject?
Is this a delegated power that they have been given and legitimate natural law power they’ve been given? I might even take away the state constitution because I believe that especially the Utah,
every constitution after the war between the states is bogus anyways, but we’ll go with the U .S. Constitution. Is the government authorized to do this law?
can’t do myself. So if they’re doing something I can’t do, that means they are taking upon themselves an illegitimate power. They are usurpers. And then does obeying this law violate my conscience?
Am I putting government above God while obeying this law? And if we ask ourselves these things, we’ll be, I think this is a good start in being able to find things in our everyday life.
But I’m going to look for, I’m going to find these felonies that I’m already committing, and I’m going to realize it. I’m going to do it with intent because it’s not my accident. I’m going to show God that I am putting him first and that I do not have government as my idol.
And so the bottom line goes back to the Council of 50 in this and the the charge that we have that no other government kingdom dominion authority power rule or law than the kingdom of god shall be acknowledged by my people are we acknowledging another government another kingdom another dominion another authority another power another rule another law other than gods but does that Does that mean we’re not his people?
Am I not, am I not gods if I am acknowledging another one of these things? And so that is the,
that’s the charge. And that’s the principles that I wanted to cover with this, as we went in deeper into giving more examples in the scriptures,
scriptural examples of people of God following God’s will saying, no, I am not going to obey you. I am willfully disobeying you because I do not recognize your authority.
And then, you know, are we, can we find ways that we can make sure that we’re not just in this normalcy bias and just doing things just because that’s the way they’ve always been done.
Right. The old thing we, you know, in as in as, if our kids, when they were teenagers or when we were teenagers and our Okay.
Maybe not. Maybe you’re not available. Mary Jane, would you be willing to say the closing prayer for us? It’s not too bad. Yes. Thank you, Mary Jane. Can you hear me? Yep.
Okay. I do have my father. We thank me so much for this day and we thank you so much for the opportunity to gather together and to discuss these things and enhance our minds and our knowledge of the gospel and of the things that thou wants us to learn and apply in our lives and to defend and we help us to be able to apply them and and actually do them and please bless our efforts and please bless brother ben’s
efforts and um all
