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Our dearest Father in Heaven, we are gathered here for the express purpose of involving ourselves in the cause of liberty.
Father, we continually need thy help to move forward, to have the courage to do those things that thou prompts us to do.
for we know all good is from thee. Father, we do ask a very special blessing on Ben and his cohorts.
Bless them all, that and all of us that we may be sustaining in his this vital work that he has engaged in and has engaged us give him strength and safety and health father beyond his his own bless our minds with courage to do those things that he asks of us in the name of Jesus Christ.
Amen. Thank you, Carmen. Go ahead and give us the minutes, please. Tree of Liberty Society minutes for Monday, August the 12th.
The 19th, Ben was somewhere conducting another meeting. Otherwise occupied. Otherwise. three where Tiancum slayed Amalekiah.
They could have slayed all the guards where they were drunken and asleep, but they did not, because Maroni was compassionate and filled with love for these who were his brethren.
So the Book of Warmen can aid us in seeking these gifts of discernment when to destroy the enemy and know when to kill them and when to lead them,
let them live. There’s a fine line. We need to ponder and seek revelation. Ben commented that there’s a good balance between the two desires to kill and get rid of our,
destroy our enemies and to let them live. Training for the night was about the Bohemian Grove and understanding importance of being effective and that we must take action.
Names were mentioned, James Madison, Richard Price, Monoskew, Thomas Jefferson, a comment taken from that particular segment was misinformation is used for evil.
Well -informed people can trust people. Wait a minute. Well -informed people can trust people to keep their own government.
We need to stop the tyrant before they get started. Elior commented about the powers that we’re pushing to eliminate our pattern of recognition. When we know history,
we avoid following the pride cycle. Alan said, why they don’t read, oh,
the found, he commented about the founding father says and answering why they don’t read newspapers. One of them, whoever he was quoting, said that I’d rather be uninformed than misinformed.
Ben said we need to understand if something is being a distraction. Ben commented that on the website to preserve the nation,
it’s important to be well informed. Talked about the Bohemian Grove that was formed in 1872 and the deviants that inhabited that group and that association.
And they were allowed to talk only about New World Order and the UN was formed there. He shared a video about the Bohemian girl,
the actors and the speeches. Alan questioned whether this was just a rehearsal. And he said they got in there with a good camera equipment at night without being detected.
Ben thought that this was very deep but dark. Micah comment about Albert Pike who exposed Jacobinism.
you come here to enslave men personal cares are put on the back burner the religion is full of zealots becky asked about talking about dollars don’t they worry about riches and elliard commented that ritual dramas are ancient things and satanic counterfeit of the holy temple is what they’re doing ben talked about participating in satanic stuff,
how does this change our actions, thoughts, and comments? Okay,
I’ve got Alan C. I’ve been quoting Alan C. So now evidently we’ve got AA. That’s a different one, right? Correct. Correct. All right.
A .A. commented about wolves and chiefs clothing are still camouflaged. They still look like sheep. And Elyor commented that he cannot trust movements of the world.
A .A. talked about President Nelson’s skull and bones and things encouraged. listening to mass communication,
lead things that distract us, and get to the real solutions, which are always presented here in Tree of Liberty Society meetings.
The closing prayer was offered by Pamela. Thank you. So many comments, corrections, questions? I think we need to start practice from Jay Golden Kimball’s thoughts.
He’ll kill all of them and then do work in the temple for the dead. Okay. I’m almost ready, Ben,
just a second. Okay. Let me know when you’re ready. I don’t. All righty,
I am ready. Hey, Becky, is Scott there? I don’t know if you guys got my message or… Yes,
we did. No, we didn’t. Are you available? So Scott, I hope, Scott’s got the spiritual thought.
I had a spiritual thought. I have a spiritual thought. Okay, so it’s actually a few thoughts all strung together.
But the first one is the first one. or hot.
So then thou, or so then because thou art lukewarm and neither are hot, I will spit the out of my mouth. That’s a wonderful scripture, isn’t it? The second one is James chapter 2,
verses 14 and 17. I know there’s something that I think, funny, I know it’s that.
All right, muted it. There you go. I don’t know who said what. It’s okay. I had to mute it. Go ahead, Scott. Somebody was swearing. What does a problem, brethren,
though a man say he has faith and have not works, can faith save him? And And 17 says, even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead being alone. And then there’s another scripture,
but we’ll get to that one in a minute. So when I was a kid, this is another thought,
but it’s all, I’m going to bind it all together here in a minute. But when I was a kid, I found it very, very difficult to sit and watch football games.
My dad loved Monday Night Football. of TV,
we would kind of glom onto it. But, you know, if it was during the, if it was during the day and we didn’t have to go to bed, I couldn’t sit and watch it because I always wanted to play it,
to do something rather than just sit there and watch all these guys exerting all this energy and trying to get that ball over the, over the line. Because I always thought, you know, if I was playing with a bunch of my peers,
give me wall. I can run it across that line. I’ll knock everybody else on their can. I wanted to be in the action and doing something. And so there’s that.
And then I think about what we’re doing every Monday night now. Ben’s trying to train us on the different activities,
what we need to do. And I have a terrible time listening to Ben. Not because, well, it’s a lot of times when I’m sitting in church or even in,
I don’t know, motivational speaking, anybody that I connect with that my mind kind of glams on to what they’re saying and thinks that they’re good ideas.
I have a hard time sitting and listening to them. I want to get up and go do something. And I’m not casting blame and I’m not judging.
I know everybody’s in their own mindset. Everybody’s in their own status in life, their own worthiness, their own equipped with their own talents.
They have their own confidence, different levels of confidence in themselves. But at the same time, as we listen to Ben or as we listen to anybody that’s teaching us or trying to motivate us to do something,
we need to. are of like mind,
join with them and teach our children, you know, whoever will listen. But you’ve got to do it with wisdom and you’ve got to do it with the spirit because,
you know, there is the fire hose treatment where all you’re going to do is just get them sobbing wet and angry. So there are specific ways to go about it. But,
you know, there’s also a call to action and just donating in your 25 bucks so that you can hear Ben every week donating your 25 bucks a month.
You know, that’s a start. But there’s thousands of excuses out there as well. I’m too old.
I’m too busy. I’m running a company. I’m trying to retire. Whatever. My kids are Helions. Whatever your distraction is. Satan’s got as many distractions as you’ve got reasons to engage.
But we’ve got to figure out at some point how to engage. And we’ve got to find out what our version of engaging is because mine is going to be a lot different than anybody else’s.
And that goes true, that’s true for every single one of us. So that’s, oh,
I’ve got one more scripture. It’s one of my favorite scriptures. So I had to put it in here. I had to work it in here somehow. fight for my liberties that are being taken from me but uh this is uh this is maroni 48 or this is alma 4817 and it’s talking about moroni and also the sons of um uh heelman but It says,
yea, barely, barely, I stand to you, if all men had been and were and ever would be, like a Maroni, who didn’t spend much time at home. Behold,
the very powers of hell would have been shaken forever. Yea, the devil would never have power over the hearts of the children of men. That is, those are my thoughts.
thank you scott i think that’s important i appreciate that does anybody have any thoughts any additional comments on what scott shared with us okay well thank you scott i appreciate that yeah i hope i hope we are all doers and not just hears of the word right okay well we’ve got some neat our first our next book club for the new book we just finished up with um what’s it called with invasion volume two and so the
next book club is going to be this book right here so you can get either a PDF or a physical copy it’s it’s a very affordable book and you can just pick which option you want if you’re outside of the united states uh give me a shoot me an email with your address and I’ll get you a quote we can do the order over the phone if it’s a PDF you can do it anywhere in the world you want automatically and so hope you
hope all of you can join us for the book club and you’ll be reading along with us so we’ll be again starting that September 18th so if you get your orders in if you You don’t already have it.
Everybody’s got plenty of time to order the book and get it in time for the book club. Anybody have any questions about the book club or about the book or anything? 7 p .m. 7 p .m.
Mountain time, yep. Same bat time, same bat channel. Yeah, I love that book. It’s one of my favorites in my collection. Awesome. So the next announcement is September 27th.
at And so it’ll be,
it’s actually, another organization has invited me, but it’s a public event. Anybody can go. And it’s the John Birch Society. So they invited me on the 27th.
That’s an Orem, Utah on 7 o ‘clock. And as soon as I get, I don’t know what they’re doing ticket reservations, but as soon as I get all of that additional data for you,
I’ll, of course, send out an email and we’ll make more announcements on training as well. But I just wanted to get. Okay,
great. Let’s go ahead and get into training tonight. So I don’t think I’m going to be able to finish it tonight,
but we’ll get started and we’ll get a lot of it taken care of. But I’m not going to rush through it and just skip over stuff just because I want to make sure that we fill the time.
I’m going to make sure that we’re going to make sure that. the 12th article of faith and um you know we only give like you know just a one or two examples just trying to lay out the the principle and i’ve had several people in training as well as in comments on videos ask me for you know what are there more examples are those and so is it just an outlier or is this a a real principle that has just you know
overwhelming overwhelming evidence for it or overwhelming examples for it. So that’s what I want to cover tonight. So I’m going to cover just real quick the idea we have in Romans 13 of obeying government no matter what.
So I’m just going to put all those out there. You have the King James version, which is one of the most widely read versions of the Bible. And then you have the new inspired version,
I’m sorry, new international version, which I would say is kind of like the New World Order version of the Bible. But it really gets into, right, if you go through it, especially in the international version,
it says, it says some things that it is, it is translated in a way to make those that are reading it really believe in obeying government.
you would fear government is because you are evil. So anybody out there that’s afraid of what, you know, the government is doing, it’s because they’re the only people fearing government are bad guys.
And that you’re supposed to do what the government says and that you’ll be rewarded on earth as well as in heaven and that you need to pay your taxes too. That’s a big part of it, it’s paying your taxes.
And so these are the way that they’re being interpreted by a lot of Christians, a lot of pastors, even within the LBS faith, a lot of people are interpreting it in these ways.
And so, but of course, we at the Tree of Liberty teach that the rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. So are we just resting the scriptures,
right? Are we just making stuff up so that, you know, we can justify our, our evil nature to want to rebel against God’s creations, or is there something more to it?
So I want to go through 12 biblical cases of civil disobedience. Feel free if you’ve got questions, comments, chime in.
Love to hear it. The first one is the Hebrew midwives. So this is during, right, in Exodus chapter one, starting in verse 15,
it says, The King of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, one of whom was named Safar, Shifra, thank you, Moses, and the other Pua,
when you act as midwives to the Hebrew women and see them on the birthstool, if it is a boy, kill him. But if it is a girl, she shall live. So the government says,
kill all the male Hebrew children. But the midwives feared God, and they did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them. But they let the boys live.
So the king of Egypt summoned the midwives and said to them, why have you done this? And allowed the boys to live. The midwives said to Pharaoh, because the Hebrew women are not like the Egyptian women,
for they are vigorous and give birth before the midwife comes to them. So God dwelt with the midwives, and the people multiplied and became very strong.
And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families. Then Pharaoh commanded all his people, every boy that is born to the Hebrews you shall throw into the Nile but you shall let every girl live so there’s several things that I think are important to bring out there but I’d like to hear from you what are some things that you that stick out to you what are I’m just I’m just imagining that the Egyptian birth
wives, or midwives, they were very, very human, and they could not stand the thought of murdering a newborn child,
for they themselves very likely had given birth to children. And This is me talking. This is how I would feel that how could I even kill somebody else’s child?
When I, you know, I would never kill my own child. The woman, the mother would be horrified killing a newborn,
a baby. And, you know, I would suggest that these Egyptian midwives were extremely human and compassionate.
They were there in the business of assisting life into the world, not murdering. and And maybe they couldn’t get past their,
they couldn’t get past that saying, I can’t kill this child. That’s how I would feel.
Wait a minute, they told me to kill the child. No, I’m not going to do it. This is like my own baby. Why would I kill my own baby? So that’s what I say. that’s what I see from the perspective of one woman to another.
Thank you, Carmen. Who else? This shows that the Jews hadn’t become Democrats yet or they took care of it while it was in the womb. One thing about being human,
though, if the Egyptians would have just decided to sacrifice the boys after they become teenagers, the mothers would have been pushing them in the Nile.
Oh, man, you’re horrible, Alan. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Hey, anybody else? Your thoughts?
What sticks out to you? So they did. Oh, go ahead. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, as I read this.
about Saturday’s warrior and especially one song there called zero population. He told me the history behind that and we’re seeing back then they were thinking that same thought and same line that if there’s zero population and then they can control the people and make them do what they want.
And we’re seeing that today. We’re seeing a zero population mentality with all the poisons and our fruit and everything else. And so it’s like what this is saying was kind of a similitude of things that were to come and we’re living through it right now.
Women are murdering their kids in an unbelievable rate with the abortion. And state funded, heavily funded, and internationally funded, it seems like. And putting infertility to yeah i agree uh we’re making people uh giving them taking away the right to to bear children or make it impossible to bear children because we’re sterilizing our children from birth with all the drugs and poisons that we’re putting in our bodies so
i i can see how this is being fulfilled then and now yeah absolutely Thank you, Bobby. Samantha, you got your hand raised? Yeah. So the war on men,
righteous men, was going on way back when, right? Satan’s been at it for a really long time, try and destroy men before they’re even born. And clearly,
he’ll try and destroy them after they’re born. But it’s interesting, that’s the greatest threat right what is the greatest threat it’s it’s um righteous priesthood and what that can do absolutely thank you yeah you guys bring out a lot of good you know other there’s like all scriptures there’s many levels to them but in regards to the the idea of civil disobedience they they feared god and so they disobeyed the king.
So that’s the exact opposite of the interpretation of Romans 13 was that says that if you fear, you know, government, well, that you, if you do,
if you fear God that you will obey government. But this is the exact opposite, saying that they feared God and so they disobeyed the government. And then not only did they disobey the government, what did they do after that?
He said, the king goes to them or the Pharaoh goes to them and says, why did you do this? And the women are like, oh, man, those, those, those, those, uh, those, is those Hebrew women. They’re just vigorous and they just,
man, they had those, they pop those babies out really fast. And we just couldn’t get there in time. So they lied to the Pharaoh to do so. So, and then, so in both of these examples,
they lied to Pharaoh and they disobeyed fair so with a lot of people they’re going to say that they are liars and that they are disobedient and so that these women were evil but um there was a reward in verse 21 it says and because they feared god god gave them families so families big families lots of children that is a reward that god gives us for obedience to him And so that,
I thought that was really interesting. The 775 number, you got your hand raised. Go ahead. And if they can’t, you get you, nowadays, if they can’t get you to abort it,
they’ve got you scared into thinking you need to give them all these stupid vaccines, which is killing them also. Absolutely.
Is it the vaccines or is the additives in our… I was wondering if it was in the food or the vaccines or…
Well, the vaccines cause autism and the vaccine caused autism. And it’s actually there’s been babies that die from the vaccine too.
They do the high pitch screen. They were perfectly normal, went into the doctor, checked out everything they gave him a shot this happened to a lady in blackfoot idaho many years ago she got home and her baby she went to a relief society thing and when she got home her baby was dead i just figured the i pitch scream of my grandkids is a clue to hurry up and leave Yeah,
but it’s because it’s causing their brains to swell, and they are in a lot of pain. And sometimes kids will walk on their tippy toes.
That’s the sign of brain damage, too, caused by the vaccines. Yeah, let’s go on to number two. We have the parents of of Moses.
So we go to Exodus 2, says, now a man from the house of Levi went and married a Levi woman. The woman conceived and bore a son. And when she saw that he was a fine baby,
she hid him three months. So the mother of Moses against the law hid Moses for three months. And so in Hebrews,
so in the New Testament, we have during with the new covenant, we have, you know, are they saying that, are they going to go back and say, oh, what they did in the Old Testament was wrong or are they going to say what they did was right?
So by faith, Moses was hidden by his parents for three months after his birth because they saw that the child was beautiful and they were not afraid of the king’s edict.
By faith, Moses, when he was grown up, refused to be called a son of Pharaoh’s daughter, choosing rather to share ill -treatment with the people of God than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin.
Any thoughts there? What sticks out to you guys? Hereditary is stronger than environmental control.
Say that again, Alan. Hereditary control is stronger than environmental control. Okay. Well,
I think it’s much more than just their desire to keep their children. They were desiring to obey God, and that’s what we learn in Hebrew. these cases so far is always endorsed the actions of disobeying the government edicts.
And it takes faith to do that. It’s called faithful when you disobey evil edicts. So don’t just look at it as you necessary or reluctantly but no that you’re more faithful and like you mentioned in the last example you will be blessed greatly with the things that matter most so we go to number three Elijah so in this just kind of giving you back around the king of Israel is looking for and wants to kill Elijah and
so so the king of Israel right this isn’t like he’s in some occupied country he’s not like some this is the king of Israel like the the average member of the of the church of that time is like this guy is given to us of God and so the king of Israel wants to kill Elijah one of the prophets and Elijah presents himself after a while after hiding.
He was illegally hiding. He was breaking the law. And then he wants to present himself to the king. Wasn’t this? Go ahead. What was that? Wasn’t this the biblical leader that goes along with the Bill Clinton’s?
Wasn’t it Jezebel and Ahabelle? Absolutely. Yeah. Clinton’s modern day. Well, Clinton’s not, wasn’t the head of a church either.
I mean, so it’s kind of this crossover. Yeah. right he’s he’s he’s he’s somebody that’s always causing them issues and so that’s why the government wants to to get a hold of him and kill him and elijah answered and said i have not troubled israel but you have and your father’s house because you have forsaken the commandments of the lord and followed the balls So he’s correcting him.
He’s like, you’re the rebel, not me. I’m being faithful to God, as you should be because of who you are. But you guys are causing problems. And so,
you know, he’s he’s saying that he was doing God’s will. And of course, we know Elijah was blessed as we see further on in the story of God recognized him.
And then later on, he was, he charged the elders of Israel to then go kill the wicked priest of the church of the time because they were worshipping false gods.
And so, and he is seen as a hero. He is not seen as a rebel, an evil man going against God’s, you know, sanctioned government. So number four,
we go to Mordecai in verse Esther 3 verse 1 it says and after these things King Ahazarus I’ll just go with that Ahazarus promoted Hammond son of Hamadatha the Agagite and advanced him and set his seat above all the officials who were with him and all the king’s servants who were at the king’s gate bowed down and did OBS Thank you.
But he thought it beneath him to lay hands on Mordecai alone. So having been told who Mordecai’s people were, Haman plotted to destroy all the Jews, the people of Mordecai throughout the whole kingdom of Ahazurus.
So what are some things that stick out to you guys here in this account? Some of it needs context with later on the story,
which we’re going to cover. But just what do we see here? If a person’s evil,
he wants to wipe out all of the righteous. It’s just not the one troublemaker. He wants them all gone. Right. The evil person wants to, yeah,
just He’s like, I can’t handle any rebellion. And I’m not just going to take care of this guy, but anybody that’s like associated with him. Why would, so there’s, I think there’s the pride issue, but what would be another reason why he would do that?
Why would the king go after the rest of the people? Because of Mordecai, do you think? What’s an additional reason? Any thoughts? Teach him a lesson. Okay,
teach him a lesson. It’s your cockroach. It’s your cockroach theory in reverse. all of us,
right? Yeah. There’s a, there’s a guy I know that, or knew, he’s dead now, but he grew up in, in Germany during World War II. And they didn’t need to really ban,
well, they didn’t need to go, they didn’t need to go door to door collecting guns. They, at that point in time, they had killed, you know, the economy was so poor that that the people became dependent on the government for food rations.
And so every week, everybody would get these stamps where they could use the stamps to go get food. And there was one week,
the stamps didn’t come. And they’re like, oh, I wonder what’s going on. There’s no stamps. And then another week goes on. Again, no stamps. third week again no stamps fourth week happens and instead of the stamps happen they get a note saying george down the street there has a gun still uh your food’s gonna start up again as soon as he doesn’t have a gun anymore and so because everybody’s dependent on the government
for food right george down the street his actions aren’t just affecting himself they’re affecting the whole neighborhood so they get the whole neighborhood to get George to send in his gun.
And so that’s, you know, that’s how a tyrant gets obedience to their decrees is by weak people that are being pressured to obey him.
And so if you are afraid, right, if we’re afraid of man instead of God, we are going to give you this type of pressure.
But I’m going to get into, but we know Mordecai was a righteous man. The Lord blessed him. And we see that further on in the next chapter. We have Esther herself in Esther 4. Verse 11 says,
all the king’s servants and the people of the king’s provinces know that if any man or woman goes to the king inside the inner court without being called, there is but one law.
All alike are to be put to death. I and my maids will also fast as you do.
After that, I will go to the king, though it is against the law. And if I perish, I perish. What do we see?
What sticks out to you guys about Esther and this one? Courage. courage absolutely so we know that god did bless right did bless her well and blessed all of israel because they all together they fasted for her and she says right it’s against the law she knew she was going against the law and she was willing to pay the price if i perish i perish if i die i die That’s just the way it is.
I’m going to do the right thing no matter what, even though it’s against the law. And, of course, the Lord did, right? The Lord didn’t say, oh, you broke the law. You know,
you are, you are disobeying me. No, the Lord blessed her for disobeying this edict from the king. So now we go to Jeremiah.
Jeremiah 38. I know we’re doing a lot of reading tonight, but I think it’s important to have as much context of this as possible. It’s going to be much more intellectual as opposed to just having bumper sticker statements.
So let’s go to Jeremiah 38, verse 1 says now, Sheffatia, son of Matten, Gadalia,
son of Pasur, Jukalya, son of Pashur, Jukal, son of sword by famine and by pestilence,
but those who go out to the Chaldeans shall live. They shall have their lives as a prize of war and live. Thus says the Lord,
this city shall surely be handed over to the army of the king of Babylon and be taken. Then the officials said to the king, this man ought to be put to death because he is discouraging the soldiers who are left in this city and all the people by speaking such words to them for this man is not seeking the welfare of this people but their harm.
King Zatakaia said, here he is. He is in your hands. For the king is powerless against you. So they took Jeremiah and threw him into the cistern of Malachiah, the king’s son,
which was in the court of the guard, letting Jeremiah down by ropes. Now, there was no water in the cistern, but only mud. And Jeremiah sank in the mud. Okay.
So we have him going against the edict of the government, and he is willing to pay the price. And of course, he’s blessed for this. Again,
another example of him going against what the government wants. was 60 cubits and whose width was six cubits,
he set it up on the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon. Whoever does not fall down and worship shall immediately be thrown into a furnace of blazing fire.
Therefore, as soon as all the peoples heard the sound of the horn, pipe, liar, trigon, harp, drum, and entire musical ensemble, all the people’s nations and languages fell down and worshipped the golden statue that king nebuchadnezzar had set up there are certain jews whom you have appointed over the affairs of the province of babylon shadrach meshach and abed -nego these pay no heed to you o king they do not serve your
gods and they do not worship the golden statue that you have set up then nebuchadnezzar in a furious rage commanded that Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego be brought in,
so they brought those men before the king. Nebuchadnezzar said to them, is it true, O Shadrach, Mishak, and Abednego? That you do not serve my gods, and you do not worship the golden statue that I have set up.
Now, if you are ready, when you hear the sound of the horn, pipe, liar, trigon, harp, drum, an entire musical ensemble to follow down and worship the statue that I have Shadrach,
Mishak, and Abednego, that his face was distorted. He ordered the furnace heated up seven times more than was customary, and ordered some of the strongest guards in his army to bind Shadrach,
Meshach, and Abednego, and to throw them into the furnace of blazing fire. Then, King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished and rose up quickly. He said to his counselors,
was it not three men that we threw into the Bye. servants of the most high God come out here so shadrach meshach and abednego came out from the five so that well we’ve got a few more minutes okay i want to get some thoughts what are some things that you know i’ve covered i did cover this in the romans 13 video um but we we list a few more verses and i want to kind of just get a discussion on what sticks out
to you besides you know just me and they feared god more than they feared the power or the authority of the king and they loved the lord so much that they were willing to serve him even if it meant them losing their lives and they challenged the king according to their faith to let him do whatever he wanted and let the chips fall where they may in other words and they were strong in their faith and the lord
proved it to them by protecting them And everything, when it would have killed any normal human being, they walked out home without any danger or any harm to them.
Mm -hmm. Yeah, absolutely. Anybody else? Yeah, I think this is probably the most extraordinary of the examples that you’ve given because I think if it came down to life and being asked to murder a baby,
like I think I think that I think it would be easy I hope it would be easy for all of us to to resist and subvert you know the tyrant but as you move along it’s this isn’t about saving anyone’s life it’s just about just kneel down and and bow for a little bit it’ll be really easy right everyone else is doing it and clearly your your life would be taken in a horrible what a horrible fashion if you didn’t go
along with it. So how pretty. appreciates those that that put him first.
I just I just love this story so much because it is such a dramatic example of how what the courage that it would take to do something that in our day and age,
I just think would be extremely, extremely rare. And I hope that us, you know, all of us here would strive to be like these righteous men um but it’s it would be it would be really extraordinary and i you know when i grow up someday i want to be just like them and and to be that brave in the face of you know there’s only three of them like there’s no precedent before these these are the first three they had
every reason to think they would die and like esther were willing to but it’s not to save anyone it was literally just because they’re keeping the first great commandment.
But that is the one that matters the most, right? Yep. I think you tested upon something too. So what would be some modern idols, right?
Because, you know, your governor or the, you know, you’re not going to have Biden come out and say, worship this statue of me. So what would be some modern idols that we that the subjectors is a modern extreme example we’ve got this conversion therapy bill that passed here in Canada that makes it illegal for instance for a bishop to tell a minor member of his ward that they should obey the precepts of proclamation of
the family in accepting the gender that the sex that they were born with to do so, to affirm that, is considered an offense in Canada,
and you can be thrown in jail for doing that if somebody has doubts about it. If that is as extreme as some of the Old Testament examples, I don’t know. You know? Yep. Yeah,
these boys were more than just show -offs. It’s testimony to what kind of people were the founders of our government. When you, yourself,
put all your wealth and your life in the hands of a principle that you’re willing to die for. And lots of people took that same motivation when it comes to COVID.
They just refuse to get the shot because of the spirit. I think it’s, once we realize that it’s a personal testimony thing,
then Shadrach and Eishak and Abindigo, there’s lots of people like them. We don’t have to get us hot, though. But with the COVID,
with Fauci, there’s your statue of God. the government feels like they’re in charge and you do what they say or the jail is the easy part.
Yeah, I don’t know. I feel like we fall away short. So when you’re bowing down, you’re paying tribute, right? So how many, what are all the ways you can pay tribute?
A big one is to pay money, right is to support financially to pay tribute is a financial thing so when we pay taxes to wicked governments wicked leaders is it really that different i feel like um i’ll speak for myself in many ways that i am paying tribute to people i know are using that money for wicked and um for just straight up evil i know i know where it’s going and in horrible horrible places so i i i know
that i need to repent to this i need to work up to have the courage to completely uh civilly disobey and and and be like uh shadrach mishak and bed and go because their tribute yeah no one is asking me to bow but people ask me to give money.
And is that any better? I, you know, I feel like that’s actually asking more and I’m doing it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the tax.
Is going to jail any harder, right? Are you going to say, oh, but, but I was going to go to jail. And then you’re on the other side and Shadrach, Mishak and Abedigo are staring at you.
Oh, you’re going to go to jail. Oh, okay. One of the things when we talk about taxes, I only had five kids at the time,
but I had a side business. I worked for the Teamsters, and it was always, if you get this over time, all it goes to is taxes. When I sold insurance and did financial planning,
I just kept telling people, you can’t make enough money to become rich. The only way you can be wealthy is by using tax breaks,
thwarting the tax, using the tax law to save your money. It’s not making more. It’s being wise use, wise steward of it. Having a self -employment thing on the side.
Having a large family. You’re still supporting a Babylonian system,
though. It’s a wicked top, top down. So there’s the issue is… By not bowing down, right? Yeah, you really just, we just got to get out and figure out an exit strategy whereby we’re not supporting pure evil and Gadiattans and all the tyrants that are literally trying to you know end us in multiple ways every day one one thing that um as just kind of wrapping up um like oh i didn’t see that there were comments one
thing that really stuck out to this story to me that we haven’t talked about is how right this is when israel is in bondage right the the rest of israel is there and they are the only three that are pointed out that tells me that they were the only three that didn’t obey the king and so the main stream of the church was to submit and worship a false idol everyone else was was clearly worshiping this false idol
and that’s you know that’s he was so furious because he these guys were a part of you know they they were in positions of power and they they did not bow down to him and they were outside of the mainstream of the rest of the members at that time and so they would have been seen as extreme and they would have told you know hey you know you just you know where you render under caesar that which is caesar’s you
know that kind of an idea and And so these lies that were told to get us to submit to evil and to bow down to false idols because we are afraid of man instead of God that tells us a lot of where we’re at.
So we are out of time. And so I’m going to finish the rest of them next week. We can talk a little bit more in open forum. Yeah, I like how they offered no defense as well.
So lots of good comments in the chat. Let’s go ahead and have a closing prayer. And then we could have open a forum.
Bobby, would you be willing to say the closing prayer for us? Absolutely. Thanks. Our dear kind and loving Father in heaven, thy servants bow for the thanking me for the opportunity we’ve had to be present in this gathering tonight of like -minded souls.
Father, we thank you for the lessons that were taught and the scriptures that were used. The police help us to decipher how they actually apply to us and how we can use them in our lives with so much going on in this world right now.
Well, there is so much deception and so many dark and evil entities out there that are seeking the destruction of my church, destruction of my people,
the destruction of the gospel, and destruction of our faith, and everything. Father, please help us to take a stand for our liberties and for our freedoms,
whether we agree or not in what those liberties might be. It’s blessed that our voices will be unified and stand against those evil entities, that they will know that our voice will be heard,
and that it will not be silenced by them. This help our enemies to know that we do not fear them, but that they should fear us. The power is with us through the Holy Ghost,
through our faith in Jesus Christ, and through our love for thee. Father, we pray thy spirit to attend us this night and to protect us in the coming days and There’s so much going on. I would pray that.
