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Our dearest Father in heaven, I’m so grateful to thee for the time that we have to be here and to be able to organize and to be able to discuss the things of liberty and the things that we can do about it.
I invite thy spirit to be with us that the words that will be spoken will be according to thy will and that those that are participating will have it enter their hearts in the way that that would have, That would have it done and that we will act upon these things and that we will learn the lessons that need to be learned and Pray these things in the name of Jesus Christ.
Amen Amen All right, you could give us the minutes for last week “Tree of Liberty Society Minutes” for Monday,
July 15th, 2024. The opening prayer was offered by Elior Walker. Ben gave the spiritual thought,
and it was about Cato’s letters, following in one letter 42. “What we do in self -defense is legitimate. Anyone who tries to destroy us should be destroyed.
You can’t tell where the wickedness will end if we don’t defend, we are as guilty as they. Alan Arthur begs Samantha to make hats.
He has a guy in a store that wants to buy hats. Ben talked about the activity for August the 3rd.
He said, “We have some members coming from Idaho and Montana.” Let me get this opened up.
Ah, I’m sorry. Ben talked about using Amazon to order things with and encouraged us not to,
but he said, “If you’re going to use it, go to the Tree of Life Society, Tree of Liberty Society.” I’m sorry,
Ben. go to the website first and order through there. You said it, the funds do add up and it’s worth it. Trading was,
excuse me, trading was about the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. It happened with Andrew Jackson, Robert Angolan.
Let me see, Lincoln, Gerald Ford, who has survived two assassination attempts, Reagan, Obama.
There are 11 presidents either killed or attempted to be murdered. Ben talked about the Marcher effect and said that Trump is someone,
the conspiracy is trying to silence him in a video Trump comment said, take the firearms first,
then go to court. Government is the ultimate authority to decide guilt or innocence. This is what has been said.
The abortion ban goes too far, and when the states do it, they’re going too far. They’re friends with the The Clinton, Sebs Tynes,
and Trump desires his daughter over his wife. Talked about Richard, mentioned the name of Richard Haas,
the head of the CFR. He showed a video of witnesses of the shooter On the roof,
Alan Arthur talked about wrestling matches and there’s blood all over these things and Bobby said he had never seen a flesh wound and grazing that hasn’t torn the ear.
Evidence shows no damage to the ear, just burn marks. Ben said there are possible scenarios. Diversity,
equity, inclusion. It’s a manufactured Publishing bogus state Newsweek already is publishing bogus staged unfounded news is was was saying that it wasn’t a staged event news we can see an end.
Okay, all right. They want to make people think it’s stage they set up strong and to dismiss it.
Social media is making it hard to control and to orchestrate a triumphant trunk.
Micah said it was like the Boston Marathon. Alan Arthur asked if anyone saw the head shooter and why not more people, why Were there not more people wounded?
Ben said one question not to have that it was not staged. He asked what is a manufactured event and provided the details.
Ben said to watch for public support and what happens in the culture. The White House is No, I said it wasn’t the official line,
whatever the whatever it is, it isn’t the official line. Oh, okay, I missed that then. The White House is talking about political violence.
Prime Minister talks about political violence. New Zealand, UK, Obama using the word political violence and it’s used to change the culture and to forget the tactics of the founding fathers.
Bobby said the shooter has relative with guns or is involved with government Somehow, Ben said he doesn’t have an opinion yet.
It’s a muddy view, but rather fishy. He asked us to save videos and be a good source of honest information.
He encouraged us to find materials and to put the pieces together. The closing prayer was offered by Carmen Turner. All righty,
Carmen. Thank you. Any questions, comments, corrections? Okay. Well,
if no comments or corrections, we’ll accept those. Thank you, Carmen, as always. Appreciate it. Let me know when you’re ready my Okay,
here we go. All right. Let’s go. Okay. I mentioned a few weeks ago And you know, I’ve got some heart issues and today it’s kind of hitting me and a little bit lightheaded and whatnot So if anything goes on,
you’ll know what’s what’s up. So just as give you that as a heads up also letting you know and roughly two weeks now it’ll be August 3rd again is our activity that we’re doing in Lehigh and we’ve got a great response so far.
We’re going to have a lot more people this year than we had last year. We’re excited about that. And if anybody please RSVP through email or text,
if you have not already. I’d love to have you there. Also wanted to kind of give you a little bit of update what’s going on as just as an organization.
We’ve talked about in the past how we’ve had some, you know, some different attacks on us that has led to a little bit of, you know, bleeding of, you know membership but we’ve started to we’ve we’re rebuilding and recovering from that which is great but our expenses with inflation and other things going on are also increasing and so I just wanted to bring that up to you guys if there was if you get if anyone was
able to increase what they’re doing every month even if like a buck five bucks whatever it is that would be really helpful Also, making sure that we’re doing what we can to recruit and build more members for the organization and see here,
I’m trying to think of things along those lines. Oh, yeah. A lot of banks have been just reissuing cards. There’s something of a new system to go along with this digital currency system that’s coming up.
I know my card just got, they just sent me a new one. They’re like, your old one’s not going to be able to be used and pass this date. And so what’s going to happen is your membership is going to just automatically lapse if that doesn’t get updated.
And so if you get an email from the automated system, letting us let you know, anything I can do to help you to update that really quickly and easily would be really beneficial and helpful.
So if anybody has any questions about any of that, any questions about how to do that. Please let me know. It’s really essential that, you know, ’cause we can’t do what we’re doing without the support of the members.
And so everything that you do is just immensely appreciated. And I can’t overstate how much I appreciate all of you and the support that you give. And I just want to say thank you. Anybody have any questions right now?
So far, anything we’ve covered? – Does that extend to debit cards? – Yes. So if you get an email from,
you know, if you get a new card from your bank, if you’re not getting a new one, then maybe your bank’s already done it in the past, I don’t know, but a lot of banks are having that issue. So you’ll know that your card is going to lapse because you’ve got a new one in the mail from your bank.
Does that make sense? Okay, anybody else? – What’s different about the cards?
‘Cause yours like not have a chip in it. – The cards are exactly the same. They’re just, I don’t know how the whole thing works, but basically when I talk to the lady, She said that they’re updating the system and the old cards won’t the old information The old number won’t switch over to their new system And I’ve heard this from like people from like three or four different banks that the same thing happening to
them The cards look exactly the same. They still have the chip Just going to the new system Whatever that means whatever that means Means you gotta go to a credit union instead of a bank.
I am that’s I was a credit union that did that for me. – I didn’t understand what Alan said.
– He said, that means you need to switch from a bank to a credit union. And I said, it was a credit union that did it to me. So it wasn’t relevant. Okay.
Anybody else? Okay. Well, then with that, let’s go ahead and get into training. Some of the things that I’m going to be going into more detail and things that I’ve gone into before in such a way that I really expect and hope that there will be comments or questions because it’s kind of really going into more detailed than we’ve gone before.
And so if you don’t have questions or comments, I’m gonna be really, really surprised. I’m gonna wonder if I’m putting things across effectively if that doesn’t happen. So just as a heads up,
if you feel like you’re weird for asking a question, don’t, I’m expecting it. So with that, I’ll bring it up.
Okay So we’re talking about compromise and this is something that the conspiracy does a lot is that they talk about how The Constitution came about because of compromise and nothing,
you know happens and you know for good without compromise and You know, there There are points and I want to talk, I’m going to talk about the differences between times for compromise and times when compromise is only used to be able to further us down the road towards tyranny.
And so we’ve got to lay, we’ve got to understand some basic principles so that we’re not fooled into saying, Oh, okay, this is the time that we compromise because, you know,
we’re not going to be able to get anything done. Sometimes it’s better to not get anything done than to do the wrong thing. And so at first I want to start off going to the scriptures.
We go to the Old Testament in 1 Samuel, chapter 15, verse 2. This is a revelation. Thus sayeth the Lord of hosts, right? This is the Lord talking.
He says, “Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have and spare them not but slay both man and woman infant and suckling ox and sheep camel and ass and Saul said and so that’s that’s the commandment from the Lord okay now we get into Saul is the king he was appointed by the Lord so what what does he do about this revelation from God Saul said under the Kenites go,
depart, go ye down from among the Amalekites. So instead of killing them, he’d let them go. Verse 8, “And he took Agag, the king of the Amalekites alive.” So he didn’t kill them.
Number nine, “But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them,
but everything that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly. So the Lord didn’t say,
“Save the good and get rid of the bad.” He didn’t say, “Save the bad, get rid of the good.” He said, “Get rid of everything.” Then came the word of the Lord to Samuel saying,
“It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king, for he has turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments.” So he says that it was wrong,
you know, that Saul should not be king anymore, that he has rejected Saul as a legitimate king over Israel because he did not obey him. The strict obedience of God was essential to being somebody that was ordained of God,
to be in that position. Again, feel free to jump in with questions or comments. Go to– Hey, Ben. Yeah, go ahead. Oh, wait, did it go away? You have a little banner or window that’s on the top that’s blocking the title of your slides.
So I don’t have something yet to close or – What it is. – The thing that lets me kind of control the chat and I’m trying to see what the problem is. – I don’t normally have problems, so I don’t know what it is.
Okay, if you can’t fix it, don’t worry about it. I don’t want to blow your growth. – No, you’re good. I just want to make sure you double check while you’re doing that, I don’t know, like that. There we ago.
Hey, there we go. Learn something new every day. Yeah. Thank you. Yep. Thank you. And now we go to Jeremiah. And the Lord says,
oh, the scripture says, “So Johannon, the son of Korea,” or Korea, I don’t know, Korea, we’ll go Korea. “And all the captains of the forces and all the people obeyed not the voice of the Lord to dwell in the land of Judah.
So God’s commandment was to dwell in the land of Judah, and the forces and the people did not obey it. So they came in the land of Egypt, where they obeyed not the voice of the Lord.
Thus came they even to Tepanus. Then came the word of the Lord unto Jeremiah in Tepanus saying, take great stones in thine hand,
and hide them in the clay in the Bricklin, which is at the entry of Pharaoh’s house into Panas, in the sight of the men of Judah. And say unto them,
Thus sayeth the Lord of hosts, The God of Israel, Behold, I will send and take Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon, my servant, and will set his throne upon these stones that I have hid,
and he shall spread his royal pavilion over them. And when he cometh, he shall smite the land of Egypt, and deliver such as are for death to death,
and such as are for captivity to captivity, and such as are for the sword to the sword.” So we see here that God commanded the people to be in a certain location,
the people did not obey, they left that gathering place, and because of that, God used a Gentile king to put the people of Israel that did not obey him to be under captivity or death under the Babylonians.
And so we learn that there is a consequence for compromising the word of the Lord, that when we deviate from correct principles that it leads to consequences.
That’s an important thing for us to learn that we don’t think that it’s, you know, that a little compromise here and there, oh, you know, it doesn’t matter, this doesn’t matter, that doesn’t matter, that as something as trivial,
supposedly of, you know, well, it’s not trivial, What the Lord told Saul to do You know,
that was pretty big deal. So he might have had the excuse of whoa, that’s the Lord’s too extreme I can’t go that far or in this example in Jeremiah Where he says, you know, make sure you gather together here and the people are like,
yeah Who cares where you are as long as you’re together with your own people that should be fine, right and And no the Lord was like very specific and there were of the examples and consequences for not obeying those commandments of the Lord.
Any thoughts, comments, questions? I’m guessing like a a kiln or something in the clay that artens because he hid them in the clay in the Something where it was stable.
I’m guessing. I don’t know I Don’t know the answer. I didn’t look it up. But yeah, yeah, I’m not I’m not sure why You’re using the Old Testament and stuff to teach us about what to do today.
I’m a little confused I thought that’s like all those prophets are dead And that’s all old history. And it’s kind of weird that you’re like bringing Principles and you’re gonna lead this in the government.
Aren’t you like I am I see where this is going So yeah Well, both of these examples are what he told the government of Israel to do and the Lord Himself when he appeared to the Nephites said greater the words of Isaiah Old Testament and that we should study them.
And so there are principles, right? You have there are principles that are eternal that never change. And so that’s that’s why I’m bringing these things up. And the principle of obedience is something that never changes.
And the principle of sticking to correct principle never changes. So we go back to the founding fathers, we have Samuel Adams. He said that perhaps some concessions will be made,
but these concessions will flow from policy, not from justice. And so he’s saying, you know, sometimes when it’s about implementing justice,
implementing correct principles, the policy and how to implement that correct principle might change, but we cannot make any concession that violates principle Says should they recall their troops from the castle or do 20 others similarly kind things?
We ought never to think their designs. Oh Seem what did I say seemingly kind things we ought never to think their designs are benevolent toward us While they continue to exercise the pretended right to taxes at their pleasure and Appropriate our money to their own purposes.
So some of these words are capitalized maybe when you think they shouldn’t be I’m just leaving it as it was originally typed So it says that the pretended right to taxes. So the the government’s gonna do they’re gonna put they’re gonna do all these nice things to get us into their confidence when they really have no intention of Changing the basic principle if they have a right to do something that they have no right
to do and we can’t capitulate, no matter how nice they are. And this they have certainly no thought at present of yielding up. So the conspiracy,
right? These evil wicked people have no real thought of going back to the bounds that the constitution has set up.
And so anything nice they do is a deception to get us to lower our guard and so that we are willing to maybe give up a principle because which we’re giving up the principle of allowing them to do what they’re not allowed to do because oh they’re being nice about x y and z when we cannot give up principle because then they allow them to continue.
So again Karl Marx lays out this same principle in the Communist Manifesto. He says, “In the beginning, these changes of building this communist government cannot be affected except by means of despotic inroads,
by means of measures, therefore which are economically insufficient and untenable, but which in the course of the movement outstrip themselves necessitate further inroads upon the old social order.” Anybody that’s been in my presentations has probably heard us a million times,
but it’s really vital for us to recognize this that these these changes do not happen. You know, they’re, you know, every once in a while we get our big COVID fake pandemic 9 /11 type stuff that,
you know, Pearl Harbor, right. Those are the rare exceptions. 99 % of the time it is a slow, methodical change, the boiling of the frog one small degree at a time so that we accept it and we are unreasonable if we don’t accept the change.
We are the bad person if we’re not willing to compromise. Hey, I’m coming towards you. Come towards me a little bit. Let’s meet somewhere in the middle. But it’s by design. They are admitting the conspiracy it’s that the changes that they’re doing are small on purpose with the intended long term reaction to get you to implement something that you would never implement all at once.
Hey, Ben. Yeah, go ahead. All right. I mean, can you go back to the last slide real quick, because this principle is a really huge one. So There is this tendency like oh,
they’re throwing me a bone. I should compromise, right? There’s this principle I think it’s called is it called loss leaders? So products that get you to shop at like Costco they have their chicken,
right? They’re roasted chicken like you can’t buy chickens those those big and juicy anywhere for that price, right? They know this and so they’re willing to lose money on that to get you in Their store right and why do they want you to start because they know you won’t leave without paying $300 when you go to get one chicken Right,
it’s impossible. So this principle of giving freebies or being nice and doing these things They will do that. It is an absolute Strategy by the conspiracy to appear nice and do these these gracious or free things right and free COVID vaccines right they will give you what because they know that it looks gracious it will soften you up butter you up and then they will give you the poison and and boil and crank up the
heat more because you have compromised your principles in in order to do that so any I mean it’s just there’s so many ways and places that they do this kind of thing.
Yep. Absolutely. Thank you. Anybody else want to chime in on that? That’s really important. So they do it nicely.
They do it slowly. Each of those is done for the same reason. They know that there are multiple ways that they can get you to do something and they can move you move you faster if they mix the two together.
And so we have to recognize that the changes are not as a means of making peace. They’re not being peacemakers. You standing up against them is not you not being a peacemaker because their intention is not peaceful.
Their intention is your absolute and total and utter destruction. And they admit this in their own statements. The carbonari.
This is one of the predecessors, I mean the predecessors, the ancestors of the carbon, of the Illuminati. And they say that their end is the destruction of Christian idea.
They want to get rid of anybody that believes in Christ. They’re not just trying to get rid of one church, they want to get rid of Christ, The real Christ they can preach a false Christ all day every day fine and dandy But if you believe in the in the the real Christ,
they want to destroy you The work which we have undertaken is not the work of a day nor of a month nor of a year May last many years a century perhaps,
but in our ranks the soldier dies and the fight continues So when all these people out there, you’ll hear people say well, you know, they’re doing X with the election, they’re doing Y with, you know, with this guy in office,
you know, or they would never do that because they can’t lose power. Well, you know what? Yes, they can because they don’t need it in their lifetime.
They are not doing this for themselves. They have, they believe this as in a religious sense where they are willing to make any sacrifice to be able to implement their program.
They know that it’s not gonna be done immediately. They’re not in a hurry like a lot of us on our side where we just get ants in our pants wanting to get this stuff done right now thinking we don’t have time.
And these guys are like, we got all the time in the world. We’re willing to take this as slowly and methodically as possible just to you a law,
whether it’s one step, two steps, whatever it is, it’s all good. As long as we’re getting you at least one step closer. Isn’t that what President Wilson did with the Social Security and,
excuse me, in the 13th Amendment and a few things like that? Yeah, income tax, right? It was never to be above 3 % and only the top,
top, top, top earners, you know, millionaires and billionaires, as Bernie Sanders says, will ever get to tax. This is not for the regular folks. This is only for the super rich. And even for the super rich,
it’ll never be above 3%. Now, obviously, that’s a lie. So they cut it in because 3 % for the ultra rich. What are you in favor of the ultra rich? You’re unreasonable. You must be on the side of the bankers if you’re against this 3 % tax on the super rich.
And so to manipulate you into doing something because it’s a small means and measures. And then the same thing with the New Deal under, what is it? Oh, I forget now,
which was during World War II. No, FDR, sorry, New Deal. FDR. Under FDR, he said, you know, we got the New Deal because of the Depression, which even,
which was a new form of tax that people didn’t see it. And they thought, Well, we’re going to have this retirement fund. Well, then what did they do in 1967 under a John,
when it makes Johnson, well, they took it out of the Social Security out of the special fund that it was in and it was created, protected and put into the general fund, which they knew they were going to do all along. Yeah,
from day one, they knew they were going to do it. But it’s that progressive movement to move us further to the left and take more of a writing process, which is exactly what this is talking about if I read it correctly.
Absolutely. Yep. So volumes one and two of the invasion, these are the cautionary tale of the people who refuse to learn the dangers of compromise.
I laid out the history of what they were told, why they were told to do it, how were they convinced to do it and they believe that if they just compromised with evil that you know that evil would leave them alone.
If we just took these different steps and we just hey they’re persecuting us so badly, if we just get we just do X and Y they’re going to leave us alone and we’ll be able to be free. And they were willing to compromise to be able to get them the relief that they thought that they were going to get that never came,
but because of normalcy bias, we don’t even realize what had happened. And so please, if you haven’t read those yet, they’re in the member portal,
order them, get them out. Compromise and politics, Hiram Smith. He explained that we engage in the election the same as any other principle. You are to vote for good men,
and if you do not do this, it is a sin. To vote for wicked men, it would be a sin. Choose the good and refuse the evil.
Men of false principles have prayed upon us like wolves upon helpless lambs. Damn the rod of tyranny, curse it. who use every man uses liberties according to the constitution don’t fear man or devil.
So much of the time we we because of our fear of man and what the other person will do will vote for the so -called lesser of two evils and we’re told here and I think history proves out that that is evil.
If you You know, if somebody insists on voting, they should make sure that who they’re voting for is not evil, that they are good, honest and wise men. Anything more or less than that comes of evil.
Because what happens when you do that? Because as I’ve shown before, as you go through the different individuals where we think, you know, X is gonna be really evil compared to Y,
but actually if you go down the list of different things that they’re involved in you know even though they’re both evil they’re both working for the conspiracy their their actual fruits ended up being the person everybody thought was going to be more evil was actually less evil and a part of that is because that’s how the conspiracy plays us they get the republican to do more damage than the democrat could ever get
away with it goes along with that idea that sentiment that only Nixon could go to China because Nixon had a reputation of being a staunch anti -communist. He led the charge against the Rosen bombs and getting them,
you know, in prison and murdered, they were imprisoned and killed for treason and supporting the communists. And so he was the tendee of the Bohemian Grove.
He was a part of, you know, he was definitely a globalist and helped, you know, favor the Federal Reserve and just everything you can think of. He was definitely moving us in that direction.
But because of the mentality of the people, they said, “Oh, Nixon can go to China because he’s not going to sell us out.” Whereas if Johnson had done it or even Kennedy had done it,
everybody would have said, oh my goodness, those communist Democrats helping out the Chinese communists. And so, you know, you get Mitt Romney and Obamacare and you get Trump and taking away the guns and you get,
what’s it called? You get Bush and the Patriot Act. All of those things that they were able to get through would have never been able to get through if a Democrat had pushed them.
The Republican, you know, grassroots would have lost their minds and burned the world to the ground, maybe if, you know, that’s what had been done. And so this is why this principle is so important is,
A, we’re usually, if we’re watching the mainstream media and believing what they’re saying about the candidates, we’re going to pick the lesser of two evil, first of all, I mean, the wrong lesser of two evil,
the one that’s actually more evil and their application and be when you when you vote for evil, you’re actually supporting the conspiracy and moving us further down the road.
You’re not actually preventing worse things from happening. The exact opposite of what you’re told to believe about what you’re doing is actually true. You’re making things worse.
I have a question. Yeah, what about third and fourth tier candidates because over the years I’ve seen some really good people that weren’t very popular, but yet when you look up their records and look up their history,
these were really decent men, yet they had no chance that ever went in because the conspiracy didn’t want them. But what are your feelings on the third, fourth, and fifth tier candidates?
What do you think about those? So, you know, I’m going to say 18, you know, 40, it might be a little bit different than 2024. So when he’s talking about voting for a good man and that,
you know, it’s possible that there was a good person running, well, first, you know, well, let me rephrase this. It might be possible at that point that the election was legitimate.
Today, voting in general gives legitimacy. even if you vote like you know this guy is you know as as good as a human being can get without being translated right and you’re like you know i’m gonna vote for him i would say today even voting for someone like that is what you’re doing is you’re giving legitimacy to the process you’re saying that i believe that whatever the outcome is is legitimate and i’m okay with that
and And so, and I reject that I don’t think that there’s any legitimacy, no legitimate outcome. And so I’m not going to participate in it and giving my, my seal of approval to the legitimacy of the process.
What’s that. I’m with you 100 % on that. It’s just when I was a little younger and a lot more naive, a little bit dumber than I am now. I believe in those third and fourth tier candidates because some of these people actually do quite well.
Yet I realized in my heart that it was not a chance, it’s not the most chance in heck that they would ever win. But now, with what I’ve learned from you and doing a lot of homework on my own,
I’m 100 % on board that I’m not going to legitimize an illegitimate system that’s designed to take away our freedoms and turn us all into slaves. That’s just not going to work anymore,
not for me. And so if somebody out there, though, is not convinced that they still think they’ve got a vote, no matter what, yeah, I would encourage you to find somebody that is, you know, one of the lower tier candidates that you believe is good,
honest and wise. When me and you had this discussion, the same principle that Hiram Smith is preaching here. Yeah. You quoted a scripture in the Doctrine and Covenants.
DNC 98. Okay. Could you put that text that on the, in the chat? Sure. DNC 98,
10 and 11, but yeah. Okay. I’ll do that when we exit out of the, out of the chat. Okay. I’m out of the screen. So the one thing that it’s taken me a while to understand and see is These people are always grabbing for more.
I when after we went through The history of the Jacobites I Think it was a couple weeks ago I mentioned something about well,
there must be some Stupid ignorant people run in for politics and then you pulled me up real short. You said no they’re all evil and We need to understand that they’re evil and treat and Approach it as such And I’ve been thinking about that since That’s that you pulled me up on it,
and I think that is exactly what it is someone was going to be good, they would be trying to repeal or nullify a bunch of these laws.
Yep. And there’s no one, no one approaching it like that. No one, yeah. Yep. Yeah, it takes a little time to soak in when we’re getting our paradigm shifted for sure.
My paradigm shifted and shifted gears when it took off the other way. – Yep. Okay, the next topic I’m gonna get into and what’s called the manifestos.
So, this is not, I’m not trying to, I’m just getting the history of it, what brought us to this point. That’s all I’m getting into. So, just as a little bit history,
what leads us to this point is in September of 1890, the church of Jesus Christ a saint’s issues, what issues, what is called the manifesto currently found in their scriptures under official declaration one.
The manifesto was announced, the manifesto announced the ending of plural marriage within the church. It was not the first time a manifesto ending plural marriage was presented or considered.
So if you’ve read volume one of invasion, you know a little bit about this, we’re going to be getting into more detail. Let me go back here. So again, it comes out in 1890,
but there were other times when a similar statement was presented and was giving consideration if the church leaders would adopt it or not.
So we’re going to get into some of that history. So As I quote in the book as well, you have a period of time where you have, of course, the federal government attacking the church as well as members of the church going after the church leaders,
where during the time of John Taylor, a member anonymously writes him a letter saying, “Why does not someone come to the front and save our people from division? If things continue in this way much longer,
there will be more danger within than without the Church. So he’s threatening that, you know, as big as the persecution is against the Church because of this principle,
it’s going to be even worse. The members are going to be turned against the leaders in a major way. And you did see that. You saw a lot of members of the Church actually turning in leaders over to the feds.
“You will do nothing for us,” he says. “How in the name of God, can you still claim to be a leader when you have ceased to be a leader, but instead become a divider? Why do you not do something for the people?
What hope have you?” So then he goes on and he says, “What is the solution that he wants President Taylor to engage in? If you do not want to take the responsibility of doing away with polygamy on yourself,
you can do this. Order an election of all the people let them say yes or no without fear or hindrance and you will see for yourself how they feel and you will be exonerated from all blame so just leave it up to the people let the people vote on it do they want does do they want to get rid of it or they want to keep it okay any thoughts questions comments this is one of the biggest signs for me of something
that’s evil they always want someone else to do something. They don’t. All this anonymous person had to do was leave the church.
Pretty easy, right? Yeah. You don’t have to stay in something if you don’t agree with it. The church shouldn’t have to change. Remove all, you know,
all persecution from you. And so there was a manifesto presented to John Taylor, just like very similar to the one that eventually got adopted in 1890,
but this is in 1886. So on September 26, 1886, George Cannon, Hiram Kloss and Franklin Richards and others met with President John Taylor and presented a document for President Taylor’s consideration,
a manifesto. They discussed the proposed manifesto at length, but we were, so this is from the first president, this is from an account of people that were there. We were unable to become united in the discussion.
Finally, George Q. Cannon suggested that President Taylor take the matter up with the Lord and decide the same the next day. President Taylor replied, do you think that I would decide on such an important matter as that without taking it to the Lord and get His decision and final word on the matter?” That night,
Taylor received a revelation stating in part, so it’s not the full revelation, but this is the gist of it, “I have not revoked this law nor will I, for it is everlasting,
and those who will enter into my glory must obey the conditions thereof, even so, Amen. Okay. The following day, he tells that those that were gathered together that he would not sanction the document of a manifesto.
Okay. 1886 presented said no. Then in 1888. So two years later, another manifesto is presented and Wilford Woodruff takes it to the entire form of the 12.
This is in the minutes of the 12. He says, “I have a matter to lay before the quorum on a subject that I wish the brethren to put their minds upon. There are times when we are called upon to consider matters which are for the interest of the church and kingdom of God.” At the time of the session of the last constitutional convention to draft a constitution for this territory to be met as a state,
our friends, I would put friends in parentheses, I mean the quotation marks, in Washington D .C. got up and submitted certain propositions for the adoption of the people of this territory.
I have now got a document to present. I just had a weird feeling. I brought this up a few weeks ago and I used a definition you you said the what’s the language a definition of a cow a calf stealing milk from a cow there’s a term that I used it sounds like father like son George Q.
Kennan’s been mentioned in the in the first one as well as his son writing it. Well, so I think the distinction would be his son,
Frank, is not a believer. He’s just trying to move the church towards the world, whereas George Buchanan is a believer and trying to come up with a political solution to the problem to get the government off of their back,
say one thing in the public and do something else in private. Does that make sense? Another poop head. I’m not going to say that about George Cannon,
but you can, whatever anybody else wants to think is fine. So as the minutes continue, President Woodruff said he would like this matter to be kept among ourselves.
This is a subject of great importance and is not known outside of ourselves, only by those who sent it. He wished the brethren to speak their minds freely, but to the point. Don’t go on and on,
right? Elder Francis M. Lyman said, “I feel that the Lord will take care of us if we observe His law. I cannot see that we can’t adopt anything of this kind.
We cannot say to the people abandon this or So this is they’re giving their opinion, right? Hey, Alan, you want to mute until you’ve got because I’ve got some background noise on you.
So then we have Elder Moses Thatcher says, I’m in hopes that I have a partial sense of the gravity of the subject. I have considered the past few years.
I confess I cannot feel that this document is from the Lord. We have not gained anything by our yielding so far, and there must be time to stop. So he’s like, yeah,
we’ve already given up stuff, right? We’ve already yielded, we’ve already kind of, you know, said, hey, you guys are demanding this. If we give in, you’ll leave us alone. He’s like, none of those things have worked so far.
Why are we gonna continue on with this? Joseph F. Smith says, there’s a point And we must not yield and then make concessions or else we may expect to be whipped and scourged until we cannot help ourselves.
So he continues on that thought that Moses Thatcher said of, you know, there’s, we can’t keep doing it because if we keep making concessions, there’s going to be a point where we’re just we’re done for.
And so President Woodruff says that document did not come by revelation. The Lord will never give a revelation for us to abandon plural marriage and if we had accepted this document we should have felt ourselves under condemnation.
Our enemies are laboring for our destruction. If we were to obtain this principle we will be required to give up other principles. So it wasn’t just about this, it was about the long term what Joseph F.
Smith was talking about. There would be other things that we would be demanded of to get rid of. We cannot accept this document. Our friends have gotten it up supposing it be for our good. And so that we can get a state government because they were told that,
hey, if you just become a state, then you can do whatever you want. Just do this for the short time, become a state, and then go back to doing whatever you want. And so that was kind of the way that this compromise was sold.
They’re saying, no, it’s not gonna work. And He says and then closing up the minutes said important document read an offer from friends which by adopting we might make ourselves and rapport with the government.
It’s simply counseled to obey the law unanimously rejected by the members. So this manifesto in 1888 was unanimously rejected by the 12 that were present.
And so a year later, November of 1889, the Lord talks to Wilford Woodruff and says, “Thus sayeth the Lord to my servant Wilford Woodruff. Place not yourselves in jeopardy to your enemies by promise.
Your enemies seek your destruction and the destruction of my people.” So again, that same thing the Lord’s telling them that when you compromise with people that are trying to do you harm, they are just going to destroy you.
If the saints will hearken unto my voice and the counsel of my servants the wicked shall not prevail So if we do what the Lord says the Lord’s gonna protect us Let my servants who officiate as your counselors before the courts make their pleadings as they are moved upon by the Holy Spirit Without any further pledges from the priesthood.
So don’t make any more promises. Just plead your case Don’t make any Don’t say you’re going to do X, Y, and Z. Just plead with them that they’re going to do the right thing. I,
the Lord, will hold the courts with the officers of government and the nation responsible for their acts towards the inhabitants of Zion. I, Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world, am in your midst.
I am your advocate with the Father. Fear not, little flock. It is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Oops, let me go back So this is a the and never was canonized meaning voted on by the members of the church But it was a revelation nonetheless a dot given to the present the church and accepted by the the quorum of the 12th as as a revelation from God saying don’t make any concessions Don’t make
promises. Don’t give in if you stay strong. I will protect you And so, but then just about six, six, you know, four or five, six months later, April 1890,
George President Cannon tells the Cullen -Strumble bill authors that he’s seen, whatever it has been praying, he thinks he sees some light and you’re authorized to say that something will be done so that they can kill the bill that was going after any member of the church,
no matter what laws that they were violating, it didn’t matter if they were monogamous or whatever that they were doing, that they were gonna go lose all of their rights as well.
And so they say, okay, April 1890, 1890 we’re gonna, something’s gonna happen, kill the bill, they kill the bill, September 1890 comes along and that manifesto that I mentioned a few slides ago is issued.
So we go to that point. So we see how one step at a time that certain things have happened and then that what they had seen right back in the 1880s of you give up one principle that it would be each there would it wouldn’t be the last time as we see today where you have trannies with first presidency authorization being baptized,
you have sodomites having special temple trips, you have sodomites being accepted as members of bishoprics, and so you can see over the years how much,
if you give up one principle, how much easier it is to move yourself, where as 150 years ago even, if those things that happened people would have lost their mind they never would have accepted it but it takes those small compromises so that you don’t look ridiculous so that you don’t look like you’re just being contentious that get you to become a people that you never would have become if all of those moves had
been done at once and so yeah go ahead where have you gotten that information about, you know,
the LGPWXYZ have been made, members of Bishop Rick have been allowed into the temple? Where is that? Where have you seen that?
It’s all public record. It was reported in newspapers, Deseret News, Salt Lake Tribune. There’s one of the members of the Bishop Rick, his name is Mitch Main in San Francisco.
We’re talking like 2001 that that happened. He was an open sodomite that was in the Bishop Rick. And then you have… Which one in Vern Sugarhouse?
Oh yeah, there’s tons of people that are holding callings. It’s been kind of just mainstream news Over the past few years last year there was one that just was he does interviewed on podcast made regular news But he was a guy that identified as a girl got baptized and his membership records List him as a female and he attends really society Well,
and I just want to add to that that we have a personal friend that dealt with Franny’s gays lesbians coming into the temple they had to make special arrangements for them to have their own dressing room because they couldn’t go they dressed as one dressed as a female that was a male and wanted yeah so they had to give them their own special room because they were a guy wanting to go into the women’s and they’re
like oh well you can’t dress in there but he’s like well I’m not a guy so they had to give him his own area and they accommodated him and then allowed him to go do a session in the temple.
So they’re in the temples and it’s been several years. Boy, I hope I was inactive during that time because if I’d have been active, I think I’d have made a fool out of myself in church.
I want to ask one question back on the manifesto. Yeah. in history they talked that it was only a small percentage of the people that lived polygamy.
Correct. I’ve been kind of ashamed of my ancestors wondering if they were some of these complaining and trying to get things changed.
Was it just gobbyites? – You had a mixture of people that, I mean, from all kinds of backgrounds, just people that wanted to avoid persecution and wanted to be able to get back to their lives.
– Well, they sure in the hell shouldn’t have joined the church if they didn’t want persecution. (laughing) – It’s the wrong club to talk about, right? – The thing that kills me is that we supposedly are a free nation.
First of all, we’re not supposed to be one nation. We’re supposed to be separate states that have their own laws, right? That you are supposed to uphold. But, but set that aside,
we’re supposed to be a free nation. People say that all the time is so grateful for our freedoms. We don’t have freedom of religion here. We don’t believe that you can practice plural marriage,
which is a holy ordinance, the end and people’s religions. And yet, and And so you have these members, even if you’re not living it, what really bothers me is,
so a lot of the leadership, there are a small percentage living this law that they must believe comes from God because they’re in the church and they’re going to meetings and whatnot.
And yet they won’t defend other people’s rights to live that law. That’s what kills me. You’re not even living it yourself, but you don’t even have enough courage and backbone to defend the rights of others to live this law and That’s that’s the part that that really upsets me and it makes sense How apostasy happens and how infiltration and you join the world and shake hands?
with sodomites at some point and with all sorts of other world governments and wickedness because you don’t have the courage to trust God, to defend you when you’re keeping His laws.
Well, that’s a horrible road to go down. I mean, it’s just gonna get worse from there if that’s where you stand. And here we are today. – It’s a thing to where their main job is to destroy Christians.
There was a guy by the name Tom like us. He was on radio in Arizona and he got the people all worked up in the 80s. We’re going to go up and rescue all the young girls in Colorado City and he just kept saying it was going to be a future date.
We’re all going to leave Phoenix and Mesa and Tempe and we’re going to go up and save these girls. The day that it was supposed to happen he came on the radio and he says now we’re getting ready to leave we’re gonna have a caravan going north but we don’t want any hypocrites we don’t want anyone that’s cheated on their wives had premarital sex uh all these little conditions and the whole thing fell apart but it
happened it’s something like this has been invited to California for another radio channel and he It was just a way to show how hypocritical people were in in in Phoenix,
but it’s It’s the same thing that he said then We’re going after the fundamental church,
that if someone from Saudi Arabia or a Muslim country came over with their wives, wasn’t the thing said about that?
It was just Christians or people living in pearl marriage that was against the law. So we can see that.
And then we look at what I want to get into the another government aspect of it of how they get rid of national independence. It’s also one step at a time. In Nelson Rockefeller’s book,
he writes that he says, “The long road toward unity of three nations lay through regional confederations. Western Hemisphere, Atlantic community, Africa, Middle East, Asia, progressing toward regional unities is steadily progressing.
‘Cause world government can’t happen at once. They have to do it one step at a time. The common market is Europe and Europe is an extending example, stunned through removing barriers of commerce ultimately to the gradual devising of political forms of unity.
So again, he admits it. It can’t be done at once. It’s gradual, gradual devising of political forms of unity through the guise of trade and regional confederations.
That’s how you get rid of national independence. Then the Alta Club, they wrote about the church, they said it played an important role in diminishing the bitterness of the conflict between the church and the world to a point which permitted the territory to become a state and function politically and in the national system.
So it was their role step by step, one small step at a time to bring us from persecution to merger and being able to be together with them.
And so Patrick Henry and his famous “Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death,” he talks about the importance of not giving up, not giving up principle, not negotiating,
not compromising. He says, “Shall we gather strength “by irresolution and inaction? “Are we just gonna wait, right? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and a hugging the delusive phantom of hope until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?
So just waiting means that your inaction is allowing the enemy to slowly step by step bind you. Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature had placed in our power.
There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations and who will rise up friends to fight our battles for us. So if we’re taking action, God is going to back that action up.
We have to know that we are not going to be alone. That if we give the Lord something to bless through our actions, the Lord will magnify that effort.
The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone. It is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. So, you know, how big your army is, how strong you are, how many guns you have. No, it’s to the people that are vigilant,
active and brave, meaning they they’re just they might not have anything but obedience to God. They’re just willing to be vigilant no matter what the persecution is. They actively engage in a matter of what the reaction is.
is, and that’s a form of bravery. They’re willing to do whatever it takes no matter what the supposed opposition looks like. If we were basing up to desire it,
it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat, but in submission and slavery. Our chains are forged.
So this is in 1776, But we see that same thing when any people try to be independent. That the evil one combines together to try and bind them in chains and slavery.
And then are they going to give in or are they going to stay strong? The war is inevitable and let it come. I repeat it, sir. Let it come. Gentlemen may cry peace,
peace, but there is no peace, the war has actually begun. He understood the score. We need to understand the score of where we’re at. The war has already begun.
And when the enemy of freedom tries to get us to capitulate, tries to get us to give in a little bit because they’re being nice, because it’s a slow merger, we need to make sure that we do not fall for that old trick because we can see we have the hindsight of history to look at,
that we can learn the lessons of those that came before us, those of the Founding Fathers who did remain firm. They were active, they were vigilant, they were brave, and we see another group of people that had even more blessings,
but they were weak and they begged for deliverance and they begged to have things taken away from them, and they begged to do nothing and to have their leaders remove the burdens from them.
And we see the consequence of that over time versus the two scenarios. So when we understand the score, we face an enemy that seeks nothing but our total destruction.
If we understand that thing alone, we are going to be a lot better off. History proves that any ground given is ground lost and the enemy has zero intention of reciprocating any ground that does not serve their ultimate goal of our destruction.
So any ground that they give up is just to get us to do something that will bring us further down the road to our destruction. Gradualism is the key to their success.
They know that it might not happen right now And that it’s something that they can wait for for multiple generations as they obviously have for hundreds of years They are dedicated to their cause and realize the battle is a long -term war not a short -term battle and They will gladly take one step back if it will lead to two of their steps going forward and They will gaslight you into thinking you are on the
unreasonable one for not accepting their gracious compromise. It is better to die fighting than not to fight and die like a coward. So with that,
that helps us to be in a situation where we are not somebody that you know that the government is comfortable with. We become a people that they’re afraid of because they know that no matter what they do,
no matter the bribes that they put forward, no matter the gifts that they put forward, no matter the concessions they put forward to get us to get closer to them, they know that we will not capitulate and that makes them afraid of us.
That means we’re on the right path. So I apologize for running over. We’re going to go ahead and just kind of close up and then we’ll have open forum. We can continue to ask questions, get into more detail or talk about other things,
I will try to make more time next time and make sure we have time in the meeting to discuss these things. But if we can go ahead and close up, Brittany,
are you available to give the closing prayer for us? Just unmute. Yeah. I’m here. Awesome. Thank you.
Okay. Dear Heavenly Father, we thank Thee for this opportunity to meet together with our like -minded brothers and sisters to be able to discuss the things that are surrounding us in these tumultuous times.
We ask that Thou may continue to be with us in our efforts to be able to find more like -minded individuals to help us with our cause and to be able to bring about the kingdom of yours onto this earth. And we ask that Thou may be with us in our seeking and researching that we may be guided by thee to be able to find the information that you would have us to know and to be able to help us to continue to do
thy work. We ask for thy help in these endeavors and say this humbly in the name of thy son Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Thank you.
