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record and then go ahead. Go ahead,
Carmen. Okay, dearest Heavenly Father, we’re here to start our meeting with the Tree of Liberty Society.
We invite thy presence that we may all feel it. Father, Father, there is problems going on that we are seeking to fight with righteousness.
And we do ask thee to bless Bim, that he will be highly inspired to make sure that he will be blessed. the choices that are necessary to prevent the silencing of him and the Tree of Liberty Society,
of which we are all apart, bless us now, Father, that we may jump in and hit the ground running and accomplish the purposes for which we have all been called to this society in the name of Jesus Christ.
Amen. Amen. Thank you, Carmen. Yeah. Now give us the minutes, Carmen. I forgot to open that up,
but I will do so immediately. Ah,
the Tree of Liberty Society Minutes for Monday, April 1, 2024, the opening prayer was offered by Elior Walker.
Walker. Ben talked about last week the fake conspiracy, the JK assassination, and pushing for a new world order.
Alan Arthur gave an overview of the event in St. George for the Saturday before. Ben said it was a full room.
room with more than 100 % in attendance. And he said most of the members, most of the attendees were not members of tree of liberty.
Training was how to respond to attract to a tax. Uh, need to expose fake freedom leaders organizations.
organizations, identify what a tyrant is, and that we are different from all other group, liberty groups. And he talked about the previous harassments that he has endured,
roadblocks to his home, way out in the country. They burned his house down. There was an attempted medical kidnapping. kidnapping of his daughter,
known to operate on the house, and all during this, there was a lawyer watching, and Ben was able to get his help,
and they did a 45 -minute recording of an interview with him and what to do from here. So, the lawyer who is from Bountiful,
he was piqued by Ben’s case and he contacted him. Ben got a copy of the affidavit after many delays and it showed that there was no description of suspicious activity that verified the complaint.
Thank you. Unless you count that Ben might destroy the evidence between the knock on the door and going downstairs. He’s fast. It is common here in Utah that most citizens who are LDS have a deference to society and they will defer to them.
Yeah. They’ve said Ben’s a troublemaker and they want to shut him up. This lawyer came to the same conclusion.
Delia Walker commented that he’s been following this for a few months and two years ago, he lost his fear of death and he’s willing to die for this cause.
He said we all need courage to fight the beast. Mr. Sal commented, made an observation that the officers didn’t have an urgency to arrest him.
They approached calmly. And Mr. Sal said that shows that the action did not not make sense. We must help Ben by silencing him.
We are different. We’re not a club. We’re not a think tank. The things that we need to do is call to that are called to action, share links with everybody, order more books and distribute them,
invite people to your home, go to boot camps. Invite friends to join Tree of Liberty Society to Magnify. magnify our voice. Talked about how he’s going to be with Kate Dolly for a national audience and needs to raise money to advertise on her program.
The sacrifice will pay long -term dividends. Ben said the institution.
is unfollowing our followers and shadow banning us. Elior commented that he would love to get people excited in Billings,
Montana. Ben said that in the Invasion book, it’s a case study and it’s happening everywhere in all states. Elior came in again and said,
he’s willing to talk to people. There’s a big potential and the closing prayer was offered by Mr. Sal. Thank you, Carmen. Anybody have any corrections or certifications,
comments, questions? OK, if not, then we’ll count those as the official minutes. Thank you.
As always, Carmen, appreciate your efforts there. Oh, you are definitely welcome. Glad to do it. Yeah, let me know when you’re ready. Okay,
I’m going ahead. I’m ready now. Okay. Sounds good. We’ll go ahead and get started. I want to let’s see here. We don’t have an official date yet, but we’ll be doing, we’ll have a presentation in the month or two on elections.
And so. And so I think that this is gonna be something that is, it’s a new, it’s an updated presentation of something we’ve done in the past, but it’s something that is, I think new to most people.
And we’ll be, I think it’ll be very relevant to this being an election year to help people understand the nature of what we’re dealing with with elections. And so just kind of just keep your ears open and,
this will be this will be something you’ll definitely want to bring people to and it’ll be something that we will be able to make available it’ll be both a live one and we’ll live stream it so if you’re not in the Wasatch Front you’ll still be able to get access to be able to view it so.
When will that be Dan? We don’t have an And so I just wanted to let people know that that is something that’s going on.
Another thing that we just that I just finished was the recording of the audiobook for volume two of Invasion. It’s in the editing process right now. So within the next one to two weeks,
that will be available on the website to be able to order as well. We’ll let people know about that. It’s it will have it available on CD or as a digital download for the audiobook. And then I’ll be working on killing no murder as an audiobook.
And we’ve got some other things that I’ve been able to discover along similar lines to those books that we’ll be working on in the future.
So any questions on anything so far. Okay So tonight’s training it is a result.
Well before we do it tonight before I get into that There’s another thing that’s on the power point That will share and that is an update.
I mentioned that to as a part of our not just not being silenced but in being able to magnify and grow our voice is with the national ad campaign,
as well as the state and national political, what is the party? What do they call those?
The convention, sorry, mental break conventions that will be at at, talked about raising the money. So in the last week, I appreciate everybody that has responded.
We’re at 1450 right now. So that’s a lot of you on the call tonight have been a part of that and helping that. And so in the coming weeks, if you’re able to help out, you haven’t had a chance to so far,
we’d greatly appreciate you doing that. We will definitely update everyone on our progress from week to week. And so anything anybody can do. from contributing to sharing the links,
I just posted today a new article on the website and with a new video that shares the video that I shared in training last week from the lawyer and then the call to action on what we’re doing and encouraging non -members,
people that watch the videos that because it’s very small percentage of those that watch the videos. and read the articles on our website or in the video platforms are actually members and so just trying to get the word out to have more people be able to help out with this project and so if you can share it with others that would be fantastic and then on the donate page right there um it also has that um
thermometer gets people to see what where we’re at and what we’re doing and what the progress is and then has the video on there to share with people I mean that people can watch on the donate page as well to give more background so hopefully there’s enough information for everyone to be able to know what’s going on why we’re doing what we’re doing and why we need your help so please continue to share that and if
you can help out please do any questions on this before we move on? Okay.
Then, with all the, not a lot of chatter tonight, hopefully, so. You want to do the spiritual thought? You have that on the, on the menu. Oh,
I did. I need to remind myself to make sure and assign that. I don’t have a, I don’t have a spiritual thought assignment. tonight. So we will get back to that. I need to remember doing that, thank you. So,
but we will get into tonight’s training. So tonight’s training is the result of a request. A member reached out to me and said, hey, I would like to have more information on this. And as I was putting it together today,
I realized that there was really no way for me to be able to actually do it in one night. night’s training. So this is a part one. We will be continuing this possibly into three parts actually as things come along.
I think it’s important that there’s enough data where you just it’s important to cover it all that you can’t cover it in one night. And so I do want to be able to give this the coverage that it needs.
if that makes sense so as we move up so especially you know as as always it is okay to you know I don’t want to be like hey don’t ask questions because we need to finish this tonight but you know tonight especially because it’s going to be to be continued anyways feel free that if there’s a question that you have something that you think is it’d be helpful to add please feel free to chime in either with with
just, you know, speaking up or leaving a comment in the chat. And so an individual called and asked me, a member called and asked me if we could do a training on some more information on Deseret,
you know, and the Kingdom of God and the independence and what they were doing and why didn’t it get fully accomplished? How did it kind of of go from being a kind of peaking and then really as a culture,
especially winding down and being more, more dormant today than it was back, back then, excuse me. And then also getting as a, you know,
as a extension of that, of what it is that we’re trying to, you know, with a Zion society. What does that mean? What does that look like? And because that is, you know, when you’ve been an independent,
you know, when you’re building the kingdom of God, Zion is an inseparable portion of that. And so that is a part of these two to three part trainings that we’ll be getting into more depth in tonight.
And a lot of, you know, some of it will be recap, I think, which is important. There are parts that have been in our boot camp or other trainings that I’ve covered before. But but I didn’t want to leave them out because I felt that they were important aspects to the bigger picture that I didn’t want any of us to forget that I thought would be good and important for us to have a refresher on,
if that makes sense. So the first thing, I don’t know why I have the things. So these are the sources. I’ve used more sources than this, but these are some of the main sources.
So if you would like to be able to… see where a lot of the information that I was able to glean these things from. Joe Smith papers Council of 50 that those are documentary histories and so they’re just minutes of what happened,
whereas the Mormon, the Mormon rebellion and Rocky Mountain Empire. Those tell are you know are more of a storytelling of history. And they,
I wouldn’t call them anti, but they’re definitely not written from a perspective of someone that is a believer. And, you know, things that these, you know, are things that we should do,
but they’re good data, right? As, you know, I wouldn’t say that we should come to the same conclusions that they do, but I think that they provide a good amount of data that we can gather together to make our own.
conclusions. And then using their words through that we can, you know, of that time period from the Journal of Discourses. Just as an FYI of where I got a lot of this information.
So, going on. So, bringing up this point, why independence? This is an important principle that I hope that we can not just see it in a historical perspective,
but that we can apply it. it to ourselves. Orson Spencer saying men of congenial interests should separate themselves from those of adverse interests and pair off each to each,
and that the promiscuous intermixture of heterogeneous bodies for the purpose of unity and strength is alike, distant both from pure religion and sound philosophy.
And so that’s found in the Council of 50 Minutes, that if you have a copy of that, or you can access it’s actually on the Jill Smith Papers website, so you can you can read the entire letter yourself,
which I would highly recommend. But I think this right here is one of the main points that we apply the application of the Scripture of,
you know, of if you’re not unified, you know, that you shouldn’t be together. And so that is what, especially with government, you, as Pufendorf says,
you cannot have peace in government if those engaged in it are not unified in the principles, the proper application of government, what the powers of government are.
And that if you are an atheist, you should pair off with atheists. That if you are a believer, that you should pair off with believers. and so forth. Because if you don’t,
if you have these people intermixed with the powers of government, then you will have, it is just the natural reaction. You throw a ball up in the air, it’s going to fall down, you intermix these people together, you’re going to have problems.
And I think that is a self -evident truth in the society that we have today is that because we have not followed this advice, that we have the contention contention in our society and in our culture today.
And so this is something that people that understand and learn these truths should apply as best as they can. And this goes back to Thomas Ford,
the governor of Illinois during the 1840s, 1850s. He says the Mormons openly denounced the government of the United States. as utterly corrupt as being about to pass away and to be replaced by the government of God.
So of course he didn’t say that as a good thing, but it does illustrate this isn’t like this isn’t like a twisting isn’t like what the people say will be all that’s just an anti Mormon he’s upset and he’s twisting no.
This is what they, and this is a restating of what has is stated openly by. by others in and not so openly in but but definitely clearly in the Council of 50 minutes as we see here with Brigham Young saying that very same thing he says that when we go from here meaning Illinois we don’t count or in the United States we don’t calculate to go under any government but the government of God because as Lord says that
yes the government United States is was and is utterly corrupt and That if we are working towards a point where the kingdom of God as Daniel says Will crush the nations of the earth right that stone?
crushes the feet and crushes the the nations of the earth and Which is represented in in Nebuchadnezzar’s dream as that statue made of different elements and so that is definitely what what the early saints taught and felt and believed.
And continuing on that idea of independence and that principle is the kingdom of God cannot rise independent of the Gentile nations until we produce, manufacture, and make every article of use,
convenience or necessity among our own people. And so just getting into more detail of what that means right at that point. They got to to a point where they were roughly estimates at 80,
85 percent. They were self -sufficient. There was only about 15 to 20 percent of the things that they needed that they had that they couldn’t produce amongst themselves. Now,
today, at least, I don’t know what where all of you are at, but I’m, you know, at about 99 percent not being able to.
produce my own things, right? And so maybe 99 .5. And so we’ve gone, not just a complete opposite, but we’ve gone from a point where we were mostly able to produce everything that we needed to a point where we are virtually 100 % dependent upon our enemies for our day -to -day substance,
our groceries, our clothes, our homes. Just you name it. We are dependent upon the enemy or our sustenance and the problem that that is is that if We can’t rise above that,
you know, we can’t rise independent and We’ve gone from 85 percent independent to 99 .9 percent dependent We’re obviously moving in the wrong direction and not at a slow pace,
but exponentially so. And that is, and so we see what they were doing is and they were working together, they had, you know, co operations and they had orders where they were working together to become more and more,
you know, as time went on, was the goal was to become separate and become more independent in that in that. 15 to 20 % that they were dependent to become more independent in.
And so, you know, this is a gut check to see where we’re at. And so when we fled the United States, we came out west and we established a new nation of desert. And you see where I have those,
you know, star looking emblems there on the map. These are outposts and. basically amongst major trade routes that we had forts and protection.
And so that anything that was going through here, we had established by claim, this is a natural law principle of claim use,
defend. We were claiming land, we were claiming territory. We were using it and we were defending it. And so these were outposts where we had peace. people that were combined together to be able to a part of trade routes,
a part of defense routes, military routes, exploration routes that we had claimed that land. And so it was it was technically claimed by Mexico,
right? At the time. But when we came here and we established this and we set out these boundaries and we put up these posts. these posts were They were not challenged. Mexico didn’t say hey wait a second.
You need to talk to us You need to you know, you’re under our jurisdiction or you need to you need to make a deal with us You know you need to negotiate you need to make a treaty to either take the land or go to war with us to take the land or But it was even though it was it was technically claimed it wasn’t defended it wasn’t used and it was unchallenged and so just like when the pilgrims came to Plymouth
Rock they didn’t buy it from anybody they didn’t they they claimed it it was theirs. And just like that you know the other outlets in Virginia, you know as the people from Europe came to the United States.
There was they just took it was there it was they claimed the land it was on it was either unused permanently. and they claimed it or it was the Indians were nomads and they didn’t claim it as their own permanent outposts and so the the white settlers and to claim the land and defended it and the Mormons did the same thing they’re established by 1847 and so but then the following year we have here the the illegal
treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo So I say illegal because they went to Mexico to make the treaty when Mexico did not claim the land anymore.
They gave up claim to the land because the Mormons came here and claimed it and established it as their own. And so, but through that fake treaty, that illegal treaty,
the United States now claimed the land of Deseret as their own. And so we see here, they didn’t just do that to us, they did that to the Mormons.
They did that to Texas as well, where they were disputed areas of the independent republic or the later to be independent republic of Texas. And so we have this land that was now claimed by the United States and claimed by the people of Deseret.
Deseret it was a disputed claim and so you have, of course, the United States Army later going and sending, you know, the Johnson’s army to Utah to quell the Mormon rebellion,
which, you know, is as preposterous because you can’t rebel against an invading force. It was literally, in the United States, literally invaded Deseret and occupied.
it and stole it and took it over and so during this this this period of time Brigham Young talked you know they they they preached about this and they explained this principle and Brigham Young said that the US should abolish that odious tyrannical and absurd system of colonial government which emanated from the British throne and so treating Utah desert as a colony,
basically, of the United States, they were able to tyrannize the people of Utah. And so the people of,
and so the Brigham Young and the people of Utah would defend themselves. There were governors, so Brigham Young was deposed as the legitimately elected governor of Utah.
And he was deposed and he was replaced by a puppet from the federal government. And the people of Utah were not allowed to elect their own officials. And,
but when they would send people out, there was one governor, I’m blanking on the name right now, that when he was sent here, he was deposed. tried to take advantage of a single sister and so you had members of the people of the society get together and they castrated the guy and they ran him out on a rail.
Awesome out of town. And so, you know, we were working to continually work towards independence and because of different actions you know,
there was a it was kind of a multi pronged approach to gain independence because this was pre war between the states. And so you have the the mindset of the founders was that each state wasn’t a subdivision like a county or a colony.
Each state was an independent nation that joined a union with limited delegated powers. And so you have. the independent nation state of Deseret,
you would have. Or you had the independent nation state of New York, Virginia, right? Georgia, these were all until the war between the states were all independent sovereign nations that got together on a few delegated powers to a general government.
And so they were working on one hand. They set up. you guys are oppressing us you guys have invaded our our territory and you are saying that we’re not allowed to elect our own officials and so we are either working to form an independent state within this union and so that way we can gain our end we can gain our sovereignty again or we will just have form an independent nation separate from you and um and deal
with you again. And so it was this enemy outside force, just like the founding fathers thought of England as they were colonies and they had declared independence. And so we had come out here and declared independence and you have this invading force claiming that it was theirs and that we didn’t have any right to it.
And so we have, you know, there was there were individuals that were united in a common cause to undermine this effort to be independent economically,
having our own ways of producing things as well as our political independence. And so as I’ve mentioned in boot camps and in meetings before,
we have William Godby coming into the situation who was, he called himself a Robert Owen Mormon and Robert Owen was trained by Helen Blavatsky. who formed the Lucifer Trust, which turned the Lucius Trust,
which turned into what we know as today as the Theosophical Society. And so this guy was, you know, his mindset, his philosophy was evil.
And he brought that when he came to Utah, where he was engaged in seances and he was engaged in a Ouija board type activity and different things.
And so one of the things he did was, he was engaged in seances and so one of the things he did was, he was engaged in seances and so one of the things these things, an evil spirit came to them as Heber C. Kimball and spoke to them and said that they couldn’t trust the scriptures.
They couldn’t trust the words of Brigham Young. They couldn’t trust the words of Joseph Smith. And so what he needed to do as a member of the church was to use his influence to get the members of the church to read.
all of this talk of independence and of economic as well as political independence and to merge with the world. And so he wanted to write he supported economic development that we see that a lot today,
and emerging with the American mainstream. That’s what he was using his influence to do. And so we have Brigham Young again.
He won the election. he did during this time, because of the invasion, he knew that because the saints had become lax in a lot of different ways, and because of this influence from people like William Godby,
you had a lot of opposition to building the kingdom of God, to building this independent nation politically and economically that he said that we need to repent. And so he actually,
for a period of of time, he discontinued the practice of the sacrament. And he said, we need to spend this time repenting.
And this was, we’ve heard of the Reformation in Christianity in general, but this is the Mormon Reformation during this period of the 1850s. And so he said,
you know, no more sacrament for a little while. and then when he started to re -institute it, you had, he said, you know, people needed to be rebaptized as a way to re, they were recommitting themselves to the gospel,
and to the ideas of, you know, the United of Consecration, and of the kingdom of God, and of Zion. And so they were rebaptizing,
and they were those that chose to be rebaptized, then, and they also. as a part of that, he was encouraging an increase in dedication to the gospel and repentance,
of course, and amnesty for everyone who confessed and dedicated their lives to the kingdom of God. So if you are a part of things that we’re trying to undermine, what not, he was like, “That’s fine. You know, if you repent and you confess and we move on,
we’re all good. Everything’s fine. And let’s just move on.” from here, rededicated to the cause of God. And because of all of this, they saw an increase in miracles from the miracle of the crickets and the seagulls to the individuals seeing,
having visions, and they were able to be protected from government forces. They got to see a large increase in miracles in their lives,
the fruits of God. Spirit, from healings, to all kinds of different miracles that they were able to see because of this rededication to the Gospel.
I don’t know if this is something new to people. Any questions, comments? Anybody wants to chime in at this point? I don’t know if it’s just too new and we’re all in shock.
and we’re just soaking it in there if we think that bends just off as rocker But a couple of things here. Yeah One of the things I’ve been doing I’m just trying I don’t have a whole lot of money first of all sure But what I’ve been doing to distance myself is you know from the system like pretty many had councils here Was one that I buy all my clothes used I don’t buy anything brand new anymore I use the thrift
stores which gets me out of that system yeah many ways another thing is that there’s another group that I just joined Utah beef growers it’s an independent group that have totally distanced themselves from the government they’re building a new plant up in richfield Utah yeah I know the guy that owns that What’s that?
Yeah, I know the guy that owns that I’ve started subscribing to that and as soon as they start producing beef that gets me away from the Process crap that we’re getting in most grocery stores.
Yeah And there’s a few other things like that that I’ve been doing. It’s like, you know, I’m probably right now about 50 % out of the system Social security,
I don’t pay taxes or anything So I don’t have to be a part of that system anymore. So I’m working on it. And it’s little things.
It’s not big things that get us out of the system. And little baby steps sometimes have the most impact, I think. Yeah. So just just for thought. And I agree with you on this.
We need to start doing more. And we need to start listening to what we’ve been taught. Because if we don’t. one day We’re going to regret what we didn’t do. Yeah, I think the main point and what I think part of the request to have this done was that We want to learn from the mistakes of the past like what were we trying to do and you know whether not to beat ourselves up for not Doing or you know not being
independent, but to see how what was the goal and how did we get away from that? and I we see what got us away from that, we can say, okay, we’re not going to fall for those pitfalls anymore.
And so we can learn and start to improve and do better. So but thank you, Bobby, I appreciate that. So going back, we have Vice President Shuler Colfax at the time,
he came to Utah as a part of an effort to decide, are they going to do a second invasion? because those dang Mormons, they weren’t getting in line. They were still fighting for independence.
They were still not merging with the culture and the economic system of the world. And they were still rejecting and still talking about building a separate government.
And so do we need to do a second invasion to get these guys in line? And so we have several accounts. of this time period that I felt were really important. He says Colfax,
in fact, had resolved on the entire overthrow of Brigham Young and the denomination and the domination of the Mormon heart hierarchy over Utah. Colfax coming was a warning to the Mormon people or a proclamation of the war intentions of the government.
Godby Harrison also entrusted Colfax that secret and influential elders were actually on the eve of revolution to get the members to reject the principles of consecration in the political kingdom of God in favor of what they saw as progress through making Utah more like the metropolitan centers in New York and San Francisco.
And I guess I repeated that one. twice so we can see how serious what this was really all about that this wasn’t a thing to be able to protect people as was the guys in some areas but as we see in these efforts it was a revolution and that they were at war with us and that they were just trying to destroy the leadership.
Of the church and so God be comes to hit them and says they they form a newspaper that eventually becomes what we know. today as the Solid Tribune to build support for his agenda,
including becoming a state in the Union under the future, guys, right, of being a subset of a national government as opposed to being a confederation of independent states.
And so let me go, I guess, and so working with Colfax, he said, don’t do the the full -on war,
but work with me. Support my efforts with this newspaper because of this revolution from within that we’re working on to be able to undermine things from within so that because then from the enemy within it’ll be much easier for the members to fall like rotten fruit and to accept these things that that we’re doing.
and we’re working on. And so at this point, you see what’s going on with the people of Utah, see what’s going on back east with the war between the states.
And a leader says that the Virginians, or this is an observation of conversations with leaders, the Virginians are preparing to seize the capital at Washington and where it will end, they know not,
but the saints know and understand it all. Brother Brigham spoke of the things in the east, said he hoped they would both gain the victory, said he had as much sympathy for them as the gods and angels had for the devils and hell.
So just an interesting observation of what they were looking at was, what they were seeing with the Civil War at the time was they felt that the war between the North and the South was the beginning of the end of the nations basically that you know that we’re in a safe spot because they’re just going to go and destroy themselves and a lot of them actually believed that 1890 was going to be the year that the Lord
was going to return or somewhere around there because of the Doctrine and Covenants talking about it you know Joseph if you reach the age of of 85, I think it was, if I remember correctly, that that’s when the Lord was going to come.
And so that was around the year 1890, 1891. And so you had a lot of people really feeling that, hey, you know, we don’t have to worry about what’s going on right now because we can see the beginning of this unraveling.
And we can kind of be lax, adesical, because… because we’re not going to have to worry about these things. And so we can make our life easier by not being so resistant,
because it’s all going to get taken care of anyways. And so, but they were warned, they said God will make the people free as fast as we are able to bear it.
And so that’s really what started to happen was because the members were, were being subjected to the influence of God be as an. enemy within and what they were pushing and then they were Feeling that they didn’t have to worry about it because the second coming was going to happen you know just in a few short years and so you and then you also had the Persecution that was coming from the federal government and so
you had a lot of you know pushback from the members and so they weren’t They were going back from the ref from this reformation reformation to now Oh, we have this this invading evading force against us and life is rough and so we’re This opposition against us from within and from without made it so a growing numbers of members were Not being as faithful as they as they should be which made it more difficult for
them to receive the help From the Lord that they needed to be able to be free of this invading force and So but you but you did have the leaders as giving the example of an independent people still they they keep teaching this point of You know when the government tries to push things that are wrong and unconstitutional We’re not going to subject ourselves to them.
I’m not a lawbreaker, you know, he says I don’t just ignore the laws of the land for no reason. I’m not going to be driving down I -15 doing donuts just for kicks and giggles because it’s against the law. No,
if it violates correct principle, I’m going to go against it and we’re working to be an independent people. And so, but you had the efforts in addition to the Godbies,
the enemies within writing letters and trying to convince the leaders of the church to capitulate and to give in. to the government. And so this is just an example of one of those letters that was written from a member to anonymously to John Taylor.
He says in part, he says, “Why does not someone come to the front and save our people from division? Something should be done. By your course, you are not uniting the people,
but you are setting one apart of the polygamists who want to obey the laws of the land against those who will not obey them.” them. You will do nothing for us. How in the name of God can you still claim to be a leader when you have ceased to be a leader but instead become a divider?
And so, like this Penser strategy, essentially enemies from within, enemies from without, working together on the leaders to say,
you know, we’re not, basically, we’re not worthy because we’re weak. on the end, you know, on the inside problem, we were weak and we’re wanting somebody to deliver us from these problems as opposed to standing up and doing the right thing no matter what the price on one side.
And then on the other side, you have, of course, all of the persecution where the you’re on the run, you are, you know, the government has confiscated all of the church’s property that the government has dissolved the church as a legal institution and taken their money and their resources and they are making rewards to put the leaders in prison.
And you have the members saying, we’re sick of this, let’s just go along so that they’ll leave us alone. And then with the mindset of, oh,
the Lord’s coming any day now, we don’t, don’t need to be that valiant because these problems of this persecution is going to go away soon anyways. Is that,
am I making sense? Any questions, comments, thoughts right now? Yeah, I’d like to make a comment. Yeah. Can you hear me now? I can hear you, Alan. Okay. I,
the two history books. Is this Alan? Okay. Yeah. Alan. Yeah. – Thank you. – The two history books I’ve read were Essentials of Church History and Restored Church by Barrett.
The Essentials of Church History was by Joseph Fielding, and they just leave a hole. They just leave you the impression that it was people within the church not following the leaders,
but they just leave you the impression that it was people within the church. When I would read things in the journal discourses, I would say these people have had relations been taught by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young,
who’s had visitations that they’re on a different level. That’s why we have trouble understanding. And I just felt like the people just kinda fell away when I joined them.
the first group that you was in and some of your lessons at first. I was shocked to see that there was just a group of people trying to get the members to reject the gospel.
And I would ask professors that at Southern Utah State College, because I took a lot of church classes,
and no one, it was just not important. Since I’ve been in your groups, this is very important to see that we were,
had our legs cut out from underneath us. How did you fall into these? How did you fall into the knowledge that there were so many enemies of the church working against us?
So a lot of collection of I guess data, there was different books on different topics that in that, you know, it would, I’d I would just be putting pieces together as I was read,
as I would read books on different topics. And I would say, oh, it wouldn’t be on the topic in front of me. But I would say, Oh, these other pieces from these other books,
you know, and the peripherals put together made a lot of sense. And so somebody would, you’d find in one book, they’d put something else. And then I’d go to that other book. And that was,
have a reference to you know an original document, a letter, a talk, whatever it was that would you know give an entirely new broad you know context to what some of the more commonly known books you know left out like you’re talking about and so it was just kind of like just going on a treasure map of finding one thing and then you you get to that thing you open up the box and it leads you to the next thing.
And it was just not really knowing where it was going, but finding all of these different things of, oh, that wasn’t the big picture. And so just trying to find and put those things together.
And then I’d ask questions of people that knew more than me and I’d say, oh, where’s this? And how do you find that? And like these letters right here took me a while to be able to actually find. find the scans of the original letters.
And so just a lot of digging, asking questions, and trying to read and find out is, I guess, the long answer to your question.
I double -check things, because I don’t, I don’t, but within Paul Bayes and Gospel Link. everything that you’ve taught is there.
That you can find, yes. It’s spoken indirectly and hinted about, it doesn’t come right out and say this, like your book,
has Gentile League and, yeah, nobody talks about the Gentile League and the Loyal League. It’s impossible to find it in modern books. But, but sure. essentials of church history,
the Protestant churches and the Catholic churches moved right in. And I think it was even before the United States came out here and declared war on us.
– Yeah. – Weber seems like they just didn’t leave us alone. They had to, they came right in the state right behind us.
And I think it helps to see the big picture too because there are People trying to make enemies of good men and you can see well all the conspiracy was attacking bringing young Oh,
the things that you know that modern people want us to say. Oh, he was bad Helps us to see oh the conspiracy didn’t like him. They were going after him. They were trying to go out This was a war on what he was doing.
Why would the conspiracy be going after a bad guy? That doesn’t make you know, so it helps us to debunk a lot of the modernists, you know, reconstruction of history. Well,
thank you, Alan. Go ahead. So William Godby, he’s excommunicated in 1869. And just giving context for what I get into,
and you guys will remember from the presentations this part, Heber J. Grant’s father dies when he’s a young man, and his mom works for William Godby. So Heber J.
Grant spends a lot of time with William Godby, sees him as a father figure of sorts. And so when William Godby dies in 1902, Heber J.
Grant is asked to give the eulogy. And in one of the, the, uh… of the eulogy, he says that he never knew a more generous, bigger -hearted,
or more faithful man. And so we start to kind of see how the shift starts to happen. And then we see in 1904,
we have the Reed -Smoot hearings. So I don’t know how many of you outside of Invasion Volume 1. have read about the Reeds -Smoot hearings, but Reeds -Smoot was a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints,
and he was elected to the U .S. Senate while being a member of the Twelve. But the Senate meets together and holds hearings to decide if they’re going to actually let him take his seat in the U .S.
Senate. [BLANK _AUDIO] so as a part of that there is a back and forth between Frank Cannon which is George Q. Cannon’s son and a senator and so in those hearings Senator Payne asked the question would they meaning would the new with the youth with the younger people in the church would they have the power to amend the creed of the church and Frank Cannon says they they have not the power and And Senator Payne says
if they had the power, would they do it? Meaning would they change it? And Cannon says, I think so. And so you start to see this shift amongst, you know, the members of the church, the growing up,
the next generation wanting to get away from the old ways and follow basically the program of William Godby. And so you see an even growing number of members really starting to adopt those things and demanding changes and demanding to to move on.
And so we see by the 1920s you see Hebrews a grant in conference saying my greatest happiness I find in the goodwill and friendship that has developed among all classes of people at home and abroad for the LDS church during my lifetime in place of early years.
day persecution and bitterness, we now enjoy high regard and happy associations with all denominations. And then a history written in 1990 says that during his tenure,
President Heber J. Grant moved us into the modern era. We were no longer in isolation, we became a part of the world. The business community, the intellectual community,
that was a major corner. that we turned. And so it is something that is recognized in his own talks as well as in the histories that that is the period where we really go from being on the outside and being persecuted and trying to,
having outside forces put a stop to us, to being the outside of the outside of the outside of the outside. of where now we are friends and they’re not going after us. And, um, and that,
and now we are a part of the business community, the intellectual community of the world. And so that is what I thought we’d be able to cover tonight.
See, it’s nine. So we got five minutes. So I was pretty close. Thank you, Phillip, for having that link to the Corbett. CoreBet report. But I’d like to leave the next five minutes up to just kind of making sure we’re all up to speed on the things that I’ve covered because we’re going to get into more detail next week about what it,
you know, just really solidifying the push of what we were doing, really solidifying how we go from that to how we lost it so we can start to understand.
But I hope, right, we have that scale to stretch structure right now, where we start to see what was being done, why that was important, why that was following correct principle.
And then we threw pressure from without and from within that we we come to a point where now we’re no longer working towards those things and what the results are on both sides from persecution to friendship and and then then what it is that you know what it is that we’re You know that needs to be done.
What’s what’s what is the good? What is the good, right? We don’t want to just be depressed of oh man, we kind of blew it to like okay Well, you know, let’s let’s move on from that and say okay We want to learn from mistakes and we want to in our own lives start doing the right thing And so that way I think it’s almost like a reverse Samuel principle where we instead of demanding a king,
we say, okay, you know what, we need to repent, pay the price, and then move back to kind of like during the original Mormon Reformation of the 1850s of saying,
okay, we need to sacrifice and we need to start saying, okay, what did we do wrong and start doing the right thing again? So,
any questions? that will help us to be on the right, on the same page, on the right page, and I get a couple of clarification questions, please. George Q. Cannon was a counselor to Brigham Young.
Correct. Was Frank Cannon kind of a shithead? Got mixed company, man. Let’s he,
you know, he considered Brigham Young to be a tyrant, and he was not a member, like, he was, I guess what we considered a Jack Mormon where he wasn’t a believer, and his basic job was the liaison to between the government and you know he still loved his father,
but he was trying to be an influence to get us to go along with Godby’s program. program of merging economically and politically with the world. And you think he was the one to rope manifesto?
He was, well, I don’t think so. He said so. He was amongst the several authors of it. And who was that you were talking about, Alan? Frank Cannon, George,
George Q. Kenan son. Okay. The second thing, I mean, he was talked about this and I’ll try to watch my language. It’s that cowboy language. Jay Gold and Kimball just said they couldn’t help it.
When I’d study the prophets, by the time that Heber Jay Grant come along, all the prophets had talked about visitations and great spiritual meanings,
but Heber Jay Grant, everything was secular. I’m going to paraphrase the saying, so if I really screw it up, then… someone else can clear it up. But performing a habit,
the habit gets easier to do. He’s known for, he couldn’t sing anything, so he sang, sang to people all the time.
They’d get into an argument, and he had sat there and sang church songs. The other thing he was known for, and just Golan Kimball had a lot of fun with this, he was kind of a family thrower.
And so he would practice throwing the baseball until he became real good, real good about it. Jake Golan Kimball said he still couldn’t pitch and he was a terrible singer,
but everything is secular with Hebrew Jake Grant in his teachings. teachings. He leaves out a lot of spiritual things when he was first put in.
He kind of gets more spiritual as time goes on, but if you study the prophets, he was one that there was a great big change.
And when you said that he brought in secularism and tried to merge, that really jumps out in his teachings. Thank you.
I didn’t say anything bad that time, hopefully. No swears, thank you. It’s just cousin, not swearing. Okay. Anybody else?
Questions? Comments? comments? I’m still a little bit about them castrating somebody. Yeah. Can you talk about that again?
So there was an older there was an older lady that the governor came in and he tried to basically tried to rape her. And and so some some brethren found out about it and they chased him down and cut up.
one of his testicles and Ryan I’m at it said you better leave here and never come back. They said you don’t, you can’t treat women like that here. I love it. Who is this?
Hey, Deacons. Say again. K -A -Y Deacons. J -E -N -K -I -N -S. Thank you. You’re welcome.
welcome. I vote we bring that back. I do too. I should just shout them in the head. You won’t get any argument from me on that one either.
Well, all right, we are at 10 o ‘clock, so let’s go ahead and we’ll get into more details next week. So hopefully we’ve we’ve got some time to soak in maybe if you need to go back and watch nights training feel free to do So but we’ll go and close of the prayer and and then we’ll go into open form Becky Conley,
would you be willing to say the closing prayer for us? Sure. Thanks Our dear father in heaven. We are so very grateful grateful for this time that we have to meet together to be taught and to learn the things that have been erased and forgotten of how we are to stand and fight against the evil that wishes to enslave us all.
all. We ask you to please bless us that our minds and eyes and our hearts will be open, that we will be able to see Thy way of regaining our lost liberties and to bringing forth thy kingdom.
We ask you to please bless us to know and be led to those who are of like mind that we may help gather and increase our numbers.
We love these so very much and are grateful for the blessings that Thou bestows upon us. We pray for these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen.
