Member training from January 27th 2024. This nights discussion focuses on the scriptural principle of dealing with civil authorities even when those authorities are acting outside their authority or even if they are officers of an invading and occupying force. There are three steps to dealing with these officers, none of which involve treating them as legitimate.
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TRANSCRIPT
Our dear Father in Heaven, as we come before Thee this night, we’re grateful unto
Thee for the opportunity to have a group of like -minded people who can get together
and talk and teach and learn together. We ask Thee this night that we might have
Thy Spirit to be with us, to guide us and direct us, that we might learn and
understand the principles that are laid out before us and that our minds might be
clear and our courage great. These things we pray for in the name of Jesus Christ.
Amen. Amen. Thank you, Linda. Go ahead, Carmen. Hopefully you all got either an
email message or you saw it on Telegram or you saw it on the member’s Facebook
page, but I just wanted to bring it up today. I saw we’ve gotten some responses.
I’d just like to encourage more responses to our activity report here.
Let’s see here that I sent out. If anybody has any questions on it, it’s twofold.
It’s to help you kind of have more ideas of things that you can be doing to be
actively involved in promoting the cause of liberty. And then it also helps us to
see where we’re all at. Because if I’m assuming that you guys have all done X,
Y, and Z, but none of you have done X, Y, and Z, then I’m going to be saying
things that are not helpful because that’s not something that you’ve covered before.
And so it helps me to say, okay, what is it that you like doing? Where are you
at? what don’t you like doing? And then also the last question goes over,
what have you done to nullify? Or what are you working towards in nullifying any
illegal laws? So that way we can have what are some successes people are having in
being able to actually live liberty? And we can share that with others.
So just real quick, just the question question of what bootcamp classes have you
completed if you’ve been able to go through them or not? How far have you gotten?
And then also, how many people did you share Tree of Liberty Society links with
this week? I needed to clarify that just specifically with us. What things of ours
have you shared? Or not, I’m not sorry, what, but how many and then what specific
ones have you shared? And then how many pass along cards have you passed out? Have
you encouraged anybody to go to the boot camp? How many member trainings have you
attended or watched? How many, what volumes of invasion have you read?
How many have you been able to distribute? And then of course the action on
notification. So hopefully you all got that. But again, I encourage you all,
whether you have or not, now you’ve seen it. And if you have any questions about
it, please reach out to me. But I’d really like filled out every week,
once a month minimum, it will really help me out. And I hope it’ll help you out
as well. Does anybody have any questions about that? Two real quick questions. Yeah.
Our weekly activities are from Monday to Monday. That’s how we were looking out.
Okay. And it says completed classes. So we can complete them either in person or
online by reviewing a piece. So the boot camp is specific. It’s different than the
training. So there’s training and then there’s the boot camp on the website. And so
that’s separate. Those are six classes on the website. I see. OK. And you you’ve
gone through all those because I did that. You were at the St. George where we did
all of them at once.
I would like to say that I accidentally pasted the link to the Facebook link form
and I should have copied and pasted the actual form into my calendar.
So I have a reminder in my calendar that the meeting is coming up. So I want to
have it filled out by Monday afternoon, but I did it minutes before the meeting
because I was out and everything. But Anyways, so it was, I found it very helpful
to rack my brain about what I had done and I actually felt good about myself and
so it was really cool. Yeah. And if, you know, it’s not something to make you feel
bad about if you, you know, maybe you didn’t do as much as you had hoped or that
you realized that you didn’t do, you know, much and it’s, it’s not to make you
feel bad or, or anything like that. It’s just to help us all kind of see what are
examples of things that we can do. And then let me know what is going on because
it helps us to be able to track things like that. Any other questions?
So just a little bit of background, right? We wanna look at, we see there’s, these
are common ideas on how do we react to civil authorities, elected officials, people
in government. You have the extreme on side right of you’re just a bootlicker you’re
doing you just love the government and whatever they’re going to do you’re just
going to love it and then you have maybe some especially after some of the
trainings that we’ve done maybe they’ve recently read killing no murder and they’re
just going to go and they’re ready to lop some heads off but usually these these
two extremes are not the the average person this is kind of more along the lines
of what, you know, an individual would think they’re going to write a letter to a
legislator and they want to be as, you know, kind as possible. They don’t want to
offend them. They’ll say, you know, they’ll, they will address them as in some kind
of honorific and they’ll write them to request that they support a bill or that
they oppose a bill. And then they’ll, you know, they don’t want to be offensive,
they don’t want to offend the guy in hopes that maybe they can change their mind
and get them to do the right thing. And so they’ll, you know, say something along
the lines of, you know, it’s okay if we disagree, but hopefully we can work on
something in the future. And, and, and they think that’ll be an effective way to,
to talk to a legislator. And so, really, all, especially at the point that we’re at
right now.
All of these are are not the way that we should react or act interact with And
elected or in a government official and so go ahead. I’m gonna disagree with you I
like it. I like the second approach. You like this. I know you would Allen. I know
you would
So, you know, and that’s something we’ve gone over and so, you know, and And it is
important for us to not treat them as legitimate. And so what I’m gonna go over
tonight is not treating them legitimately. It is not treating them as they are
something special if they’re above us or that we’re worried about it. But I do want
us to understand that there is a point where we do have to do these things, right?
– Excuse me, Ben. – Go ahead. – Something close to the first one. I’ve seen this a
lot. I really saw it real heavily in a congressman’s talk once.
And that is there’s this reverence that some of the population has towards the
choice of a mob, the elected officials. I’ve seen it in these settings several times
where they are, this is though they’re talking to Peter or Paul or Christ,
it’s just so sickening. These people are a harmingist, a cruel opposing tyranny
everywhere you look on us, and they had reverence. And this is really trained,
obviously in the schools and elsewhere, that you’re supposed to have reverence for
somebody that was elected to office. And it’s so anti
That’s such an anti -freedom attitude. – Like almost you have to kiss their ring to
be able to, you’re just so grateful to be in their presence. – Yeah, I confronted,
when congressman about it, all his unconstitutional voting reckoning, he got really
mad and, you know, he couldn’t answer the questions and so forth. And one fellow
looked at me and said, “Well, you don’t understand politics.” No, I just– – Right,
of course. – In political science and studied it for 50 years. But, you know,
they’re trying to tell you, you’re supposed to have reference towards it. It’s so un
-American. Yeah. And then an example of the letter is what I see a lot, especially
with some groups out there, where they are just so desperate to have a so -called
seat at the table that they’re afraid that if they do something like you just
talked about, call them out, that they’ll lose the so -called access that they have.
What they don’t realize that is if they’re not a part of the conspiracy they don’t
have any access that they have is just pretend access to make that person feel good
and and and uh you know give lip service for that elected official and so it’s
important for us to realize that. Real quick example Ben, I was at a protest of
the president of China was here and this is LA and a protest in his meeting with
the governor and so forth and they had a lot of different protesters and I was
standing next to some time when these people and was so sad they were so desperate
to have the other nations of the world allow them to you know because the Republic
of China was kicked out of the UN because they replaced them with communist China
and it was like that was the ultimate goal to be part of the the world community
in the UN and I did my best to try to tell them, no, it’s us that need to
follow what’s happened to you. But they wanted to seat at the table. Exactly.
So what I’m going to be sharing with you guys are examples of people in captivity.
And so, you know, just this is what we see ancient Israel and dealing with Egypt.
And then you have ancient Israel dealing with Babylon. And then you have the ancient
Christians in dealing with the Romans, and then you have the Mormons dealing with
the invasion of Utah. And being occupied territory, just like we saw in the previous
three examples, where you have a people that are in captivity and how do they
respond and how do they interact with their invading forces?
Because it is very tempting, right, just to not even do anything but go on the
physical attack, like one of the examples I gave in the previous slide.
And so I want to show some principles, right? Because of our captivity,
there are times when you scripturally should engage with civil magistrates, because
there are times that we do engage with them. And so I want to cover what is the
scriptural example? What’s the mandate? What is the what are the scriptures show us?
How we interact with officials, government officials that are illegitimate,
that are a part of an invading force? And so do we just do the scriptures show?
Do they do we just go after them? Or are there certain things that we is there a
way that we interact with them? And because I think it’s really important for us to
understand principles to be able to see Specific application of those things and I
think the scriptures are the the best example for us And so I want to do that and
the first thing is is the example and the parable of the woman and the Unjust
judge that we read about in the New Testament. There was in a city,
a judge, who feared not God, nor regarded man. So it’s laying the foundation,
it’s laying the groundwork of who this guy is. He’s not a good man.
He’s a wicked man. He doesn’t care about God, and he doesn’t care about the people
that he’s supposed to be serving. That’s laying that foundation, right? Who is this
guy? He’s a bad guy. But what happens? And there was a widow in that city,
and she came unto him, saying, “Avenge me of mine adversary.” And he would not for
a while, but afterward he said within himself, “Though I fear not God nor regard
man, yet because this widow troubled with me, I will avenge her lest by her
continual coming she weary me.” So yes, it was out of selfishness that he did,
that he avenged the woman, because he didn’t care about her. He was a conspirator.
Basically, if he didn’t regard God, he obviously was a serving Satan.
She was able to get a bad person to respond to her.
And that wasn’t her treating him as, you know, begging him for anything. That was
her harassing him, basically saying over and over again, do this right thing, do
this right thing. And so he finally just did it just to get her off of his back.
So I want to, that’s just, that’s a parable. So I want to go through maybe some
specific examples as well. So we go to Moses and how he demanded Pharaoh let Israel
go. So I think this is a really good example. We know the story, but I want to
go through and show you the principle. And as we go through it, we’ll see exactly
how this was handled. Now, was Pharaoh a good guy? Did he care about the Hebrews?
Was he worried about getting reelected? Did he serve God? Did he fear God? No,
no, no, no, to all of those things. He was their slave master. He was an evil
guy. And an evil guy. So did Moses just say, “Forget Pharaoh,
Israel. We’re just going to either go lop his head off or we’re just going to take
off.” That wasn’t what happened either. We see in Exodus 8,
it says, “And the Lord spake unto Moses, Go unto Pharaoh and say unto him, Thus
sayeth the Lord, Let my people go, that they may serve me.
And if thou refuse to let them go, behold, I will smite all thy borders with
frogs.” So list some of the plagues that he’s going to put upon the people of
Egypt and upon Pharaoh. So Moses is told by God to go and tell this to Pharaoh.
And then what’s, and then the consequence? And then did Pharaoh do it? No, he
didn’t do it. He ignored Moses So he goes on and the Lord said unto Moses rise up
early in the morning and stand before Pharaoh Low he cometh forth to the water and
saying to him thus say at the Lord let my people go that they may serve me Else
if thou will not let my people go behold I will send swarms of flies upon thee
and upon thy servants and upon thy people and into thy houses and the houses of
the Egyptians shall be full of swarms of flies and also the ground whereon they
are.” So again, he goes to them, he goes to Pharaoh and he tells them what he
wants done and he says, “If you don’t do it, this is going to be the consequence.”
So did he go to Pharaoh and say, “Oh, thou honorable Pharaoh, thou art wonderful,
you know, your holiness the Pharaoh, please, I beg of you, do this thing for us.
Although, you know, and if you don’t do it, I understand completely, it’s okay. No,
he said, do this. And if you don’t, this is the consequence. And of course, but
Pharaoh did ignore Moses. When we go on to Exodus nine, again, the Lord tells
Moses, go into Pharaoh, tell him, thus say, the Lord God of the Hebrews, let my
people go, that they may serve me. For if thou refuse to let them go, and will
hold them still. Behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thy cattle, which is in the
field. Upon the horses, upon the asses, upon the camels, upon the oxen, and upon
the sheep, there shall be a very grievous moraine.” Pharaoh ignored Moses,
though, again. So did Moses say, “You know what? Pharaoh is not going to listen to
us. We should just go either raid his house and kill him. We should just escape in
the night.” No, he goes back and the Lord said to Moses, “Rise up early in the
morning. Stand before Pharaoh and say unto him, ‘Thus saith the Lord, God of the
Hebrews, let my people go, that they may serve me. For I will at this time send
all my plagues upon thine heart and upon thy servants and upon thy people, that
thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth.'” and Pharaoh again
ignored Moses, right? And then we go to Exodus 10. And Moses and Aaron came unto
Pharaoh and said unto him, “Thus saith the Lord God of the Hebrews, “how long wilt
thou refuse to humble thyself before me? “Let my people go that they may serve me.
“Else if thou refuse to let my people go, behold, “tomorrow will I bring the locust
into thy coast?” Okay?
So we see again, did Moses say, “Oh, man, I must have done it wrong last time.
I should be nicer to him.” No, he’s like, “You’ve got to do this thing.” And
again, something bad is going to happen again if you don’t listen. It wasn’t like,
“Oh, me doing the mean things to you before or that God did to you before that
didn’t get you to listen so maybe I should change my my method and I should just
be nice to you no he said if you continue to ignore me this is what’s going to
happen to you now so Pharaoh ignored Moses and Pharaoh dies
no go ahead what he doesn’t die no he doesn’t die he threatens him with the
firstborn yeah well the next one Right. Yeah. So, but after all these things are
done, he chases them into, oh no, I’m sorry, you’re right. Pharaoh doesn’t die, but
Pharaoh, thank you for the clarification. When they do chase after Israel, the armies
of Pharaoh die. A lot of the people, and they are crushed by the Red Sea when the
Hebrews go through. So there is even more death and destruction. Another consequence
comes on onto Egypt for disobeying what Moses told him to do.
That’s the main point. So now we go to Elijah.
Elijah is on the run. You have the king and you have Jezebel killing prophets and
Elijah is on the run. And when in Kings 18 it says,
“And it came to pass after many days that the word of the Lord came to Elijah in
the third year saying, “Go show thyself unto Ahab who was trying to kill Elijah.”
So God doesn’t doesn’t tell him to stay in hiding. God doesn’t say, “Go and sneak
in and kill Ahab.” He says, “Go and present yourself to this guy that’s trying to
kill you. Go talk to him.” And Elijah said, “As the Lord,” so he’s now he’s
talking talking to Ahab, the Lord of hosts liveth, before whom I stand, I will
surely show myself unto him today, unto Ahab. And when Ahab solidized you,
Ahab said unto him, Is it you, you troubler of Israel? And he answered,
I have not troubled Israel, but you have, and your father’s house, because you have
forsaken
But anyway, so you have this guy he says you’ve forsaken the commandment. So Ahab
is in is as a Hebrew Ahab is is part of the He is the leader of Israel and he’s
trying to kill these true prophets of God and He’s saying that the true prophet is
the troubler But the prophet says no you’re the troubler because you’ve gone against
God. So is he bowing down and saying, “Oh, please don’t kill me. Oh, I’ll be nice
to you if you just leave me alone.” No, he’s right in his face. And he’s right
there saying, “You’re the bad guy.” And Elijah came unto all the people and said,
“How long hault ye between two opinions? If the Lord be God, follow him. But if
bald, then follow him.” And the people answered him, not a word. They’re like, “Oh,”
They didn’t want to say anything because they of course they didn’t want to say
that they didn’t want to openly defy You know verbally say that they didn’t believe
in God, but they also didn’t want to go against the priest of Baal And so Eliza
challenges the priests right they were the again these guys were the priests of
Israel and of Baal So they were church leaders as well as servants of the
Babylonian false idols to see whose God will light the different piles of wood on
fire And the priests of a ball fail while of course Elijah succeeds And so after
right you have this you have again Elijah presenting himself before the king Says
let’s do this thing. They do it and they fail And so the scriptures say and then
when all the people saw it They fell on their faces and they said the Lord. He is
the God the Lord. He is the God and Elijah said unto them take the prophets of
Baal Let not one of them escape and they took them and Elijah brought them down to
the brook of Kishin and slew them there so
Ahab wasn’t a problem anymore the priests of Baal weren’t a problem anymore They
that that was the consequence just like we saw with with Egypt was they did not
follow God And so the consequence of they they had the chance they Elijah came to
them and gave them the final opportunity. Who do you serve? Who is the real God
and?
Because they did not repent of their ways the result was death
Now we go to Nephi, and we see that he went to go ask for the plates.
Nephi, right? Laman was,
I’m sorry, Laban had the basically the four books,
the five books of Moses, and on these plates, and they were told to go to Laban
and get them. Now, because they knew that who Laban was, as a bad guy. Did they
go and they say, you know, we just have to sneak in and we have to grab the
plates and steal them in secret? Or did they go and try to talk to Laban and try
to present things to him? And so we see that Laban went under the house of Laban,
and he talked with him as he sat in his house. And he desired of Laban the
records which were engraven upon the plates of brass, which counted the genealogy of
my father. And behold, it came to asked that Laban was angry and thrust him out
from his presence and he would not that he should have the records. “Wherefore he
said unto him, Behold thou art a robber, and I will slay thee.” So he threatens to
kill them. They go and they ask for the plates and the response that they get was,
“I’m going to kill you.” So now that they’ve escaped Laban and now did they say,
okay, now Laban’s not going to give this to us. So we’ve got a plan some way to
be able to sneak in and get them. No, they go back. And they came to pass that
we went down to the land of our inheritance. And we did gather together our gold
or silver and our precious things. And after we had gathered these things together,
we went up again into the house of Laban. They came to pass that we went in unto
Laban and desired him that we should that we would give that he would give unto us
the records which were engraven upon the plates of brass for which we would give
unto him our gold, our silver, and all our precious things. And it came to pass
that when Laban saw our property and that it was exceedingly great, he did lust
after it in so much that he thrust us out and sent his servants to slay us that
he might obtain our property.
And then we know, after that, the Lord opened up a way for the consequence,
right? There was, for not doing what God told him to do, Laban was then killed so
that a nation would not dwindle in unbelief. And so he was given those two
opportunities to do the right thing. When he refused, then the consequence happened.
And we have Moroni. He writes to a chief judge He says and it came to pass and
it says that and it came to pass that he wrote again to the governor of the land
For behold, I have somewhat to say unto them by way of condemnation So Moroni
doesn’t start out this letter saying man. I really appreciate all the good work.
You’re doing. Thank you so much for X Y and Z But can we do this thing better?
No, he starts off with You’re you guys are doing garbage stuff. I’m condemning you
for what you’re doing and now behold We desire to know the cause of this
exceedingly great neglect. Yay We desire to know the cause of your thoughtless state.
So it goes on to be critical. Why are you guys leaving us not doing the right
thing? Why are you guys, you know, totally ignoring what you’re supposed to be
doing? Can you think to sit upon your thrones in a state of thoughtless stupor
while your enemies are spreading the work of death around you and so he calls the
night it’s like everything is getting worse these enemies are coming and having and
gaining ground and you guys are just sitting on your rear end not doing anything
and so in this example it was actually a righteous leader and he says you know he
writes back tomorrow and I saying you know forgive You know, forgive us that we’re
dealing with stuff on our own. He doesn’t get all mad at him and get all offended
and say, ’cause he’s a righteous leader. So he didn’t get offended by being called
out, being condemned. He explained the situation and said, you know, working to help
you guys out. But we still see, even though he was a good guy, Moroni wasn’t wrong
for condemning
And so and and for calling him out for what was going on And so we see that
Moroni was still right for doing what he did, but the righteous a righteous
Government official is not going to be offended by being called out So that’s that’s
one way we can tell because if we’re afraid to call out somebody for doing
something bad because we might not have a See the table we know right off the bat
that that individual in government is bad. And so because a good person in
government is going to respond with, “Hey, you know, I’m sorry for what’s going on,
and he’s not going to, you know, be mad at you for doing so.”
So let me go back to another version of the parable of the woman and the unjust
judge going into the warning and the consequence. We see in D &C 101 Verses 81
through 93 it says now unto what shall I liken the children of Zion? I will liken
them unto the parable of the woman and the unjust judge for men are always to pray
and not to faint Which sayeth there was in a city a judge which feared not God
neither regarded man And there was a widow in that city and she came unto him
saying avenge me of my adversary And he would not for a while, but afterward he
said within himself, though I fear not God nor regard man, yet because this widow
troubled me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. Thus
will I liken the children of Zion. Let them importune at the feet of the judge.
And if he heed them not, let them importune at the feet of the governor. And if
the governor heed them not, let them importune at the feet of the president. And at
the present, heed them not, then will the Lord arise and come forth out of his
hiding place, and in his fury, vex the nation. And in his hot displeasure,
and in his fierce anger, in his time, will cut off those wicked, unfaithful, and
unjust stewards, and appoint them their portion among the hypocrites and unbelievers,
even in outer darkness where there is weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth pray
therefore that their ears may be opened unto your cries that I may be merciful unto
them that these things may not come upon them so again we see the example that
we’ve shown throughout all these scriptures you warn them you give them the
opportunity to do the right thing and we have some examples where they will say,
“It’s in my best interest to get them to go away and to avenge them,” and then
you have other examples, you know, of, “Yes, they will ignore you,” and so we have
the same example of the consequences for those that will not heed the warning that
was given to them. And in all those examples we see, they were Um praise they were
not you know, they weren’t worried about getting a seat at the table They were not
worried about offending them. They were just doing calling them out Explaining the
situation Telling them what the right thing to do was and then explaining what the
consequence is for not doing the right thing
And can I mention one example? Yeah, please there are others in this But what one
of my favorite is Jeremiah and how he courageously condemned the Hebrews for the
pagan worship and so forth and warned them. But his standard was God’s law,
his standard was God’s guidance, and he went altar from it. That’s another one of
the messages and one of the things we learned from the message you’re giving us.
But Jeremiah did exactly that and what happened? They didn’t listen to them and what
happened to them. We have limitations that tell us. – Yep, absolutely.
Anybody else have any comments before we move on? Any other thoughts?
– Well, just other quick thoughts. The reaction to authority. So what kind of
authority we’re really talking about here is is totalitarian authority and these men
were courageous living in Moses and so forth to stand up with somebody that can
just as snap of his fingers have you killed.
And also one of the messages here is being nice, being kind is not a godly
response to And, you know, I’ve,
especially if you live in here in Utah, I’ve been following politics and fucking
people for 60 years, and I’ve seen this kind of a cultural thing where kindness is
above everything. And what we’re saying here, kindness doesn’t play a role in the
godly response to these unjust tyrants, these unjust authority Yeah,
because you’re you’re treating illegitimate people as legitimate and that’s ungodly
Yeah, look what happened to the J6ers, you know, they’re ushered on to the lawn and
the the The barriers were removed and they’re like come on over and then they’re
thrown in prison Their life ruined for years Yep,
so we we don’t We don’t treat illegitimate leaders as legitimate.
We don’t try to get a seat at the table. We don’t put, as Mark said, kindness
above all. We put God above all. And this fake idea of, you know,
of not — we are lied to believing that contention,
meaning contending for truth, is bad. They say that all contention is evil. Well, we
see that, no, you know, that maybe they would call Moses contentious or they would
call Jesus contentious for turning over the money changers. But that is a
counterfeit. That is a lie to get people to not oppose evil and to bow down and
just wait and hope that these bad guys will do good. There is a process of,
you know, you’re You know, we’re not waiting and I’ll get I guess I’m getting ahead
of myself. But we need to make sure you think of something. Yeah, the in first
Samuel chapter eight, the people conspired to correct the prophet Samuel because
Samuel was allowing his sons to be bad judges. And they’re like, we need a new
form of government. They wanted to be just like everybody else. Yep.
So right so we ask ourselves how did they address the civil authority in the all
of these examples? Did they butter them up saying you know your your great
honorableness? They didn’t do any of that. Did they flatter them? Absolutely not Did
they act like the authorities were good guys, you know, hey, we just you know,
you’re a good guy We just need to help you understand this a little bit more. No,
they didn’t do any of that. They called out the leader and they demanded action and
then said this is what’s going to happen if you don’t do that thing. So those are
the three steps. If you’re going to address a civil authority,
that’s what you do. That is the scriptural example. And that’s not just when you
don’t have a government that’s not controlled
No, these all of these examples that I gave were they were in captivity. They were
ruled by by a conspiracy They were ruled by conspirators whether within their
religion or not they that these are all examples of They’re in a bad situation and
they didn’t use these examples to try and make sure and that they buttered them up
They demanded action and said if you don’t do this, This is the consequence to your
actions one of the easiest ways I got to keep Perspective on is the word talk of
stalker C The worst type of people is the ones ruling us Which leads leads me to
think that those that voted for him are more ignorant than well the negative IQ
people. If we realize that these people are arrogant,
power -hungry,
manure heads, that’s for the women in the group.
Then we’re not going to be tricked into
calling the mirror on her or, yeah.
– Yeah, any kind of honorarium. – And Ben, what’s your point here, and the point
which was just made, is that you’re implying that they do have authority. And if
you do that, when they don’t have legitimate authority, you’re actually enabling them.
You’re actually supporting the evilness. So that is so important. I’ve had about 4
,100 calls that were taken by Keith Dolling on radio show for the last nine years.
And one thing that puts one difference between my calls and almost everybody is when
she has somebody on that’s evil, I outright have no revered,
I have expressed disdain for what they’re doing and openly honestly talk about it.
Many of you are probably aware of Alan Dersewitz, Harvard, and he was on,
and she wouldn’t take the calls when he was on, which is what she often does, but
she took me right afterwards. I just tore about six points of his deceit, his
unconstitutional positions, his contradictions, I mean, irrationality.
So if we get informed, it’s really important that to carry out God’s law, we got
to take advantage of the knowledge we learn and not show any sort of respect for
wicked people carrying out their wickedness. Yeah. Yeah, well,
it’s a form of idolatry when you’re treating someone legitimately that is not
legitimate and God has called them. We have a standard of what is legitimate or
not. Now we’re saying that this this thing that is not godly, that God does not
approve of, that God says is illegitimate, and then we’re treating it the opposite
way God has told us to. We are putting them above God in God’s law. I think
that’s a violation of the Ten Commandments right there at the top of false idols.
Exactly. Yeah.
So I want to look at the underlying principle and give us a few examples of what
the Lord told the Apostles when they were going out and They were doing the same
thing, but to the masses as it put just to the people We look and the scripture
says and this is Matthew and when you come into a house Salute it and if the
house be worthy let your peace come upon it But if it be not worthy let your
peace return to you and whosoever shall not receive you you nor hear your words,
when you depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet for a
testimony against them. And verily I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for
the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city. Behold,
I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be therefore wise as, I guess
it didn’t, wise as serpents, I thought, and harmless as doves. But beware of men,
for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their
synagogues. And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake,
for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.” So again, it’s that thing.
You give that voice of warning, and then if they reject it,
then you bear that testimony, and then the consequence will bear upon them if they
refuse it. And then we see another example of that in the Doctrine and Covenants.
It says, “And in whatsoever place you shall enter, and they shall receive you not
in my name, you shall leave a cursing instead of a blessing, by casting off the
dust of your feet against them as a testimony, and cleansing your feet by the
wayside. And it shall come to pass that whosoever shall lay their hands upon you by
violence, “Ye shall command to be smitten in my name, and behold, I will smite them
according to your words in my own due time. And whosoever shall go to law with
thee shall be cursed by the law.” So they will be returned. And so again that
consequence for their actions. So again, look at all these examples,
right? Was Moses worried about being effective? Suppose like in today’s terms, right,
is, Oh, you’re not effective because you didn’t get this bill passed, or you’re not
effective because you didn’t stop this bad bill. That’s where the focus is in the
world, is about so -called effectiveness and having a seat at the table, being able
to get things done. And that’s kind of going back to what you said in the
beginning, Mark, about you don’t understand politics, right? This is not how you’re
effective. This is not how you get things done, but these all of these examples are
not people that we’re looking for effective to be effective They were talking about
accountability. They were going there to tell the truth and To give that last chance
of warning, right? You’re not begging them Moses didn’t go begging and waiting. They
weren’t waiting for permission They were giving them one last chance to repent for
what they had done. And if they refused to do it, then the consequence was going
to come upon them.
They still went on, right? Moses still left. Elijah still killed the priests.
All those examples we see
what God wanted to be done was still done. And so when we think that we have to
compromise truth and we have to treat an illegitimate person as legitimate so that
we can be so -called effective, we are engaged in idol worship, we are rejecting the
pattern God has set, and we are putting our own wisdom above God’s wisdom, which
will lead to destruction. And so we can’t be so worried about short -term, so -called
effectiveness because the conspiracy controls the government. And so there’s only going
to be a few examples of what we see with the parable of the unjust judge where
harassing them gets them to do the right thing. Most of the time it is what we
see in most of the examples that I gave today where they reject it and they
receive the punishment. But it is our job is to give them that last chance to
repent and then have the consequence fall upon them if they choose to reject that
call to repentance into doing the right thing.
And so it’s important for us to realize what I’m talking about here today, is that
when we write, you know, when we are corresponding with them, it is that it is
giving that opportunity to repent and we’re not begging them, we’re not hoping that
a sternly written letter will get them to do the right thing. It is about giving
them that last warning shot and that we are engaged in nullification. We are
ignoring them. We are not obeying an illegal law. We are definitely standing up and
we are, you know, applying the principles that the Founding Fathers did of, you
know, resisting and interposition in stopping tyranny from being implemented. But we
are giving them, at the same time, we are giving them that opportunity to repent or
to be destroyed. And so we again go back to the namesake of the society of what
it will take and that sacrifice that we need to be willing to engage in to be
able to make sure that these things happen and that we can be in good standing
before the Lord by following correct principle of yes you do engage but it’s an
engagement of of warning And of calling them out for their evil and hoping that
they do the right thing But then you doing what’s right no matter what not trying
to get not just thinking that if we Follow and in gain the the favor of evil that
we will be able to have the favor of God as well because that is That is not how
it works as we’ve talked about before The apostle Paul said that you know they
hated you know that they hated you, they hated me first. And so that is what we
will receive for doing those things. And so it’s important for us to not be fooled
and lulled into thinking that we will be friends with evil because we’re not here
to be friends with evil. We are here to call it out and stamp it out. So– – Our
judicial leaders are judges on that. They’re so evil.
I brushed the cuff of my pants off
a couple times out in Mission Field, but when I was having my legal problems,
and when the friends in the court, he says that his brush and his speed off
against
uh, one of the friends that was the cop there said, no, he’s just kicking manure
off. You know, they, they know what, what you’re doing when you dust your feet off.
They know that you’re bearing test on against them. Absolutely. And they’re so evil
that they make a joke, uh, trying to turn that you’re,
that you’re off your rocker. Um, Then one thing where you’re teaching us,
and I think it’s important to focus on, is that we’re supposed to carry out God’s
law and promote God’s law and advance God’s law. And that law includes the Founding
Fathers understanding of political philosophy of free society and the legal
understanding of the Constitution they gave us. But when I do this,
I’ve confronted about a dozen senators and congressmen in town hall meetings and city
councilmen and all these sorts of things. And when I go into this, I’m focusing
only on one thing, myself. I’m focusing on being educated on the subject I’m going
to address and promoting God’s principle, promoting liberty, promoting justice and
individual rights. And then I concentrate on trying to do a good job. I have a
responsibility to do it. If I do a bad job, I can actually do more harm at trying
to advance Godly principles. But I don’t care at all about the response.
Only to the extent I care about it is to be able to rebut Godly what they have
to say. So it’s important, and if you know your subject well and you can reason
well, you can rebut And so that’s one advantage to they expose these evil people
expose themselves and their responses to you often. And I’ve gotten more education of
people at these meetings from the way they responded and my ability to collapse
their arguments. So we have to be at well educated when we do it. But focus on
doing our job is to promote godly principles and don’t care about their reaction
other than to be able to collapse the arguments. – The results of God’s, yeah.
– Yeah, I think Godly thoughts are important and try to think Godly was that way.
But I, the more we study, the more I think T. Ancom was right on.
– So T. Ancom, like all the examples that we have, they still went through these
scriptural steps. So I’m not saying that there’s not, all those examples that I gave
ended up, well not all of them, not the unjust judge, but we have, you know,
Elijah, and we have Nephi, and we have Moses, the leader ended up being killed.
And so I’m not saying that that’s not,
obviously we’ve gone over that in the past, that is a godly solution at the right
time. What I’m showing tonight is what is it that you do leading up to that?
And so it’s something that we talked about last week and the previous week as well
of not doing shortcuts, because shortcuts cause problems. And so if we just start
off with saying, oh, they’re evil, they’re not going to do the right thing anyway,
so I’m just going to go do XYZ. Then we’re taking the shortcut that is not
something that God has laid out for us. He has warned them, just like with the
Savior and the turning over the tables. He spoke in the synagogues. He warned them.
He called them vipers and he called them children of hell. But then he had to go
and do the next step of turning the tables because they wouldn’t repent. And so we
need to make sure that we are going through the proper steps, the godly scriptural
steps before we follow the inspiration to do anything other than that.
And this is a great example, but not only is he risking his life and life of
others as well, every time he confronted the Pharaoh, but it was a lot of trial,
a lot of work, a lot of coming in before him and every time he did so he could
have lost his life so it’s it’s it’s not confronting these people it’s not an easy
thing to do and that’s why you know cutting out their heads that’s that seems like
an easy solution no confronting these people you have to get well educated you have
to be courageous you have to be do it repeatedly over and over again.
It’s not it’s a lot of work and it’s a lot of courage necessary. Well, I but when
I was reading Killing No Murder, I was also reading the first of the book of
Mormon, and I was also reading Jesus the Christ. I was trying to make sure if I
went off the deep end, at least I was reading something spiritual to hold me on.
But the Come follow me book for kids and that that was with the Book of Mormon
said that Laban might have been a relative of Lehi. They were and for him to
refuse to give the oldest son the plates was questionable.
Then for him taking all of the all of the the gold in that and then sent in his
50 to to wipe him out. That was flat ass theft, that out,
flat out theft. And just like our political leaders now with the taxes they charge.
So reading Killing No Murder, it mentions that it’s easier on the people and easier
on the person to cut their heads off. Whenever I talk to a police officer judge,
even my lawyer friend, I bring up that when these people go against the Constitution
and try to make things up,
I’ve been watching those videos on YouTube about the people being approved for their
offices. Every time I see shirt lift, he doesn’t do nothing. He’s just trying to
set people up. Every time Schumer says something, he’s not – they’re just evil.
They’re not saying anything. They’re just trying to prove their point. AOC is Dumber
in a Box of Rocks. It would be more humane for the American people to see them
dangling from a marquee than it would be to have them keep going like they’re
going. And I think this is a good point that you need to have a good consequence.
You can’t just, I mean, we need to have an inspired consequence whenever we’re going
to go offering one to them. I don’t want to be telling them, and if you don’t do
it, I’m going to go door to door to every constituent in your district and
embarrass you because that’s just too much work for me. It’s like parenting. I
better not give a consequence. It’s too hard. It might not work either. Yeah,
exactly. Yeah, make sure it’s an inspired consequence. Yeah, absolutely. Alan, one of
the points that Ben’s pointing out to us is that the short term solutions like
that, you have to look at what is likely, how much you’re likely to benefit from
it. I mean are you going to kill almost every congressman and senators because
they’re all carrying out evil consistently? There’s only one congressman I could say
that’s not… After listening… After listening to the president and then they just
replace him with another one like him. So you have to look at how much benefit
you’re going to gain from trying to kill him as opposed to you know the hard work
of educating people book and getting them out of office listening to Ben and if
you’ve been paying attention over the years Ben says if we get the right ones the
rest of them flee like cockroaches So you expose them you turn the lights on and
they and they flee and that’s Kill some of them But I was saying expose them and
they run like you turn the lights on when you expose them and they run like
cockroaches. Absolutely shirtlip and Schumer have had the light shown on them so much
that it just don’t make a difference. When they’re that evil and a lot of our
elected officials are right there, I mean, I’ve named Schumer and Paul C.
and Schertlup. Well, all of those examples that you’re giving for current, those all
apply to all of the examples that we gave tonight
with with you know the the priest of ball you just go down the list they all
apply to every single one of them but all those prophets followed the same pattern
and so what I’m saying is we have to follow a pattern and we can’t take shortcuts
I’m not disagreeing with you I think all those principles laid out that’s why I
recommend the book that’s why we sell the book killing no murder but they follow
the pattern and even that book killing no murder lays out that pattern of like Mark
was talking about of the benefit. And so we have to look at what are those steps
that we need to make sure that we’re following, that we’re not taking shortcuts,
because taking shortcuts causes us problems every single time. No matter what you do,
whether it’s cooking, whether it’s sports, whether it’s business, whether it’s freedom,
taking a shortcut is actually a longer path in the long run than just doing the
right thing from the get go and following that pattern that we find in the
scriptures. So it’s 10 o ‘clock. We’ll go ahead and close up officially. Then we can
have open forum talk about anything. In open forum, we can talk about whatever we
want to talk about this topic or anything else. Let’s go ahead and have a closing
prayer though. And I’m going to ask Bobby,
would you say the closing prayer for us? You’re okay. Thanks. Dear Father in Heaven,
we thy sons and daughters, thy servants, and before they desire, thank the King for
the opportunity we’ve had together tonight and to discuss these principles and the
patterns that have been established in thy scriptures and throughout the history of
this world we ourselves created. We thank you for the messages that were presented
and for those who put put input in tonight. And we thank you for the things that
we’ve learned. Father, we ask that blessings of the law help us to find a way to
amicably apply these principles into our lives, into our communities, and into our
social circles, with those that we know and come in contact with, and to find ways
to open a conversation and dialogue with them, to teach these principles that we’ve
been instructed with tonight and in other meetings, that we may be that servants in
all things, and be thy witnesses in all things. We pray for that truth to be upon
us tonight and help us to be safe in all things that we do, wherever we go.
We ask thy blessings to the Lord, have the winners of heaven, and throughout that
knowledge we shall hast upon our heads to know what to say and when to say it.
Father, we thank thee and we go to with all of our love, with all of our
strength, with all of our mind, might, and love, to glorify that holy name in all
things, and we say these things according to our faith, in the sacred and holy name
of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Thank you.
