Member training from January 13th 2024. This nights discussion revolves around the theme of restoring and preserving liberty in the face of perceived governmental overreach and conspiracies. We emphasize the importance of understanding historical methods of resistance, such as nullification and interposition, as well as the need for citizens to recognize and reject the legitimacy of those who violate their oaths of office. Ben encourages a shift in mindset towards viewing current leaders as usurpers and advocates for building a community of like-minded individuals to effectively challenge and resist oppressive actions. The conversation also critiques the ineffectiveness of traditional political solutions, such as voting, in addressing systemic issues, suggesting that a more grassroots approach is necessary for meaningful change.
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TRANSCRIPT
Our kind Father in heaven, we’re thankful for this opportunity to meet together and
to learn how to fight these secret combinations like we have been warned to in the
Book of Mormon. We ask you to please be with us and help guide us to do thy
will. And this is our prayer in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen.
Thank you so much, Carmen. Go ahead.
It loses the sight of the big picture and so we kind of focus on on that one
thing and so I wanted to kind of pull back a little bit and
Show exactly again why we don’t focus on the things that we focus on and then some
different angles of you know why they don’t work that we haven’t covered before and
and then getting into, which will lead into why we focus on what we focus on and
what are those first things first? And so a lot of just going back to last week’s
book club night as well, there are some things that we talked about that are gonna
be probably necessary in the future, but we’re just not there yet.
So that’s another aspect of one of the things that help us to get where we need
to to go. And so I wanted to cover those things tonight. Please,
if you have questions, comments, please feel free to chime in. So question regarding
the title of the presentation. Yeah, restoring liberty. I assume what you’re going to
be discussing is how to help sustain what liberties, few liberties we still have
seemingly few. Sure. It’s not Sure. We want to be able to preserve the liberty we
have and restore the liberties we’ve lost for sure.
So the first thing is, you know, this is kind of typical of what people talk
about. So if there wasn’t a conspiracy, these are the things that we would do,
right? So if Congress or the president, if they act unconstitutionally, the first
step is to get a state legislature to pass nullification legislation, just like was
done with the Kentucky resolutions and other examples in the early part of our
history, state legislatures, they were guardians of the Constitution and their job was
to step in and say, “Hey, you know what? You guys aren’t allowed to do that. We’re
not going to enforce it here in our state.” And then the next step would be to
get them to interpose, which is the known as the doctrine of the lesser magistrates,
where they actually go in and they prevent an unconstitutional act from being
implemented. So that’s kind of the, you had the first step, right, of saying, Hey,
you guys aren’t allowed to do that, we’re not going to enforce, it’s kind of more
passive, where then you the next step is to actually, if they continue to act in
that way, you step in and you actively stop them from implementing their anti
-constitutional agenda. And then the third one is you vote them out, right? You’ve
done all these things and then once the election comes up, then those people that
tried to do those things that led to steps one and two, you remove them. So if
there wasn’t a conspiracy, these are the things that you would do.
But Hopefully if you’re on this call tonight, you know that there is a conspiracy,
right? So there is a conspiracy and so there are additional or other steps that
need to be taken In addition to and instead of okay,
so what did the founders do they they understood these principles and these ideas
they started off with You know Did they vote harder, did they say we just have to
make sure that the king doesn’t get re -elected next time? No, of course not. Did
they take the king to court? And hopefully the courts will decide if the king has
violated their rights. No, they didn’t do that either. Did they wait for the savior
to come to fix all their problems for them? And no, they didn’t do that either.
They knew that they had a duty to God to make the world better than it was when
they got here. And so they didn’t use these as excuses to not do the right thing.
They organized together in groups of people like the Loyal Nine or the Sons of
Liberty, where they built the understanding of the people. We have examples of people
going to Samuel Adams and saying, you know, the people are lost, you’re wasting your
time, there’s nothing you can do about it. And And Sam Adams said, “No, the people
are not dead to liberty,” and when he sees people that are at least a little bit
interested, he’s going to like those brush fires of freedom inside of them and tell
that they can take more actions to be able to preserve and restore their liberty.
And so they started off with that building of the understanding. And then they
engaged in physical resistance, things like the Boston Tea Party and other things
along those lines, where they interpose, they said, no, we’re not going to, not only
are we not going to obey this, but we’re not going to allow it to be enforced in
our community. And then the next one is they said, you know what, we’re not going
to be a part of you anymore, they separated themselves because they knew that there
was nothing, there’s no common ground left for them to be able to stay connected to
England. And so those are kind of some of the basic steps, an overview of the
steps that they took to be able to preserve liberty and restore lost liberty in
their time. And So we can look at what things work versus what things don’t work.
Why didn’t the Founding Fathers work supposedly within the system? Why were they so,
you know, what people would say you’re either a trader or you’re an anarchist, you
know, but they weren’t anarchists, they weren’t, they were people that wanted to
live, you know, have government follow natural law. And so they took steps to be
able to make sure that a government that they were under would do those things,
recognizing their natural right of separation. Ben, before you move on to this next
topic, just staying with nullification a little bit. I’ve studied what James Madison,
the father of the Constitution, had to say on that in Jefferson quite a bit as
well. And resistance was one of the forms of nullification. There’s a vault,
There’s a myth out there that only, and you’re not supporting it based on what you
said, but a myth that it’s only the state legislature that carried out just because
that’s what Jefferson and Madison and Kentucky and Tennessee did.
But excuse me, James Madsen makes it very clear, and I think you were going to
download the document or he talked about the four forms of nullification. I don’t
know. Did you download that from 10th Amendment Center and post it? I did not.
I did you send me the link because I was waiting. No, you I think you were just
going to go there. You said but it’s it’s very easy to find a different thing.
It’s a different thing. I’m going to be working on just go to the nullification
section there and you’ll find it. Okay, good. Thank you. For steps to nullification,
but resistance it nullification is a role for has a role for every American. And
every American. And also he stressed one of the forms of it is executive branch
nullification by the governors, the state legislators and resistance by the citizens,
including demonstrations. This is where he said to demonstrate it is a value,
but nullification is left up to your representative. It’s a role of all of us. And
then, of course, our role is also to encourage our legislators to nullify with
resolutions and so forth. But so I do recommend looking at that document. Maybe you
can find it. If you can’t find it, I can always send it to you. Yeah, thank you.
Absolutely. We need to follow those steps. And so, yes. And so there are some
people that would say that it was just the states that had the authority to do
that, which is obvious. He was stressing all these could be done simultaneously. They
don’t need to be done in an order right well, and especially if the conspiracy
controls your state legislature You can’t say oh well now we we’re stuck with the
with the evil and tyranny That’s of course not the case you can only if government
has the power That means you had that powers individual to delegate to them So if
the government has the power to do something legitimately that means you as an
individual have the right from God To do that very same thing And it’s also
legislature’s responsibility to recall the governor if he doesn’t go along with it.
Yeah. Which tells us a lot, right? No matter what state we live in right now, did
you have a state legislator in your state that introduced articles of impeachment
against your governor? If they didn’t, that means you don’t have anyone in your
legislature that cares about freedom and enforcement. You Don’t have anybody to vote
for is what you’re also saying.
Among incumbents. Go ahead. What was that? Among incumbents. Oh, yeah.
Well, yeah. There’s only people that you have records for of that specific thing,
but you can look at other things for sure. So why do — why — I want to get
into why we dissolved our union and then look at that. So I want to give those
those examples. And if you’ve been to the bootcamp, you’ve seen these. And so I
think it’s, but I think, if you haven’t this, I want to encourage you to do so.
But even if you have, I think this is important for us as a reminder, because we
are always bombarded with these different things, you know, if, you know, if we
don’t win this election, you know, this is the end of the Republic, and they say
that every four years. And so we need to look at, well, what are the reasons why
I’m just gonna I’m not gonna go over every reason I’m gonna go over some key
reasons Why the founding fathers said it was time for them to not just try and fix
England but to say you know what we’re we’re separating ourselves. So the first one
The the king has erected a multitude of new offices and sent hither Swarms of
officers to harass our people and eat out their substance. Okay So So now today we
have over 345 federal agencies, government corporations, quasi -official agencies,
boards, commissions, which claim authority to write rules for individuals and
businesses. Okay, so do we have that same thing that the king had?
I would say we have it even more so than the king even did. We could see it
happening with our farmers and their horrible crime of selling raw milk, something
that people have consumed for thousands of years. All of a sudden is a crime
against humanity. We have to put them in jail. Of course, you have OSHA finding
people for not going along with COVID restrictions, fake pandemic restrictions. So we
see them eating up our substances. The next thing is, is he affected to render the
military independent of and superior to the civil power? So the founding fathers were
very much against the idea of an executive being able to command the military on
their own. It was something that was left up to the civil power, meaning Congress,
as the only one that was authorized to authorize the use of the military,
but because of what they saw in history of giving that power to one individual. But
today, do we have that? Of course, this is just using Biden as the example, but we
could use any president would suffice. He on his own accord sent thousands of
thousand troops to Afghanistan. He boosted US troops in Europe. And then we see the
war of Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, all the way, you know, Nicaragua, Panama, Chile,
Bolivia, all of these different wars that we’ve been involved in or military actions
that we’ve been involved in illegally. They violated the constitution as much as the
king violated the English constitution by absorbing that power to himself.
Yeah, he left And so out of that list there, yeah,
the list might fill up the page more than I had room for. So that’s why some of
you included the excedris.
So the next one is the king has combined with others to subject us to a
jurisdiction foreign to our constitution and unacknowledged by our laws, giving his
assent to their acts of pretended legislation. Okay, so we have the World Bank,
the UN, International Monetary Fund, USMCA, plus more than 83 other bodies that we’re
subjected to that are completely outside of the Constitution. Their acts are pretended
legislation, but they have the guns and so people submit to them.
And so we have the same thing and well, we have more of a problem with this than
even the founding fathers did under the king.
Next one is for the king transported us beyond seas to be tried for pretended
offenses. So we have the same thing where US citizens are being held prisoner in
Guantanamo Bay and other foreign prisons throughout the U .S.
citizens are being held without any kind of due process that being held without even
being charged in many cases. And so, again, another example of the fact that we
have had the same, if not worse, problems with our government that the Founding
Fathers had with theirs when they decided to declare independence. They had to
separate themselves From them and we have here.
He’s excited domestic insurrections among us
This was even during a Republican and Democrats where I was able to document that
The the state well, this was nationwide the same thing the same.
This was during 2020 the spring and summer of 2020 And every state,
this is a coordinated effort if the same thing happens in every single state. And
so I was able to document it in the state of Utah where the city police in Salt
Lake City as well as the state police at the capital were working to set up these
and support these riots. And so If that coordinated effort was in Utah,
I guarantee you that same coordinated effort happened in every single state.
Otherwise, they would not have been able to happen. And so we have the same thing
with our government coordinated throughout the country, exciting domestic insurrections
among us,
Republicans and Democrats. Now, And if we think we’re going to have a political
savior to fix all this for us, I want you to go and read the article I have up
on the website about Ronald Reagan and his, you know, what his pretended record was
versus what his real record was. And so that we can see because as Reagan is kind
of an example to a lot of people of a political hero that was there to, you know,
stand up to international communism and make America great again and so if we
understand that history we can see that that same principle applies watch the video
I have on there about the about Hopium those will show you the the record on these
so -called political saviors and that the conspiracy produces political saviors to make
sure that we do not actually engage in effective action against them. Okay,
so now we have to ask ourselves with this, if we have a conspiracy that is in
effect in these things, and I asked this question in the voting presentation that I
gave, hopefully we’ve watched, right? If the conspiracy is controlling the elections
in every aspect of them. If we fix the voting machines, I mean, can we get the
voting machines fixed? Will they stop ballot stuffing if we vote harder?
If we vote harder, will that get people throwing out votes to stop throwing out
votes? Will it get judges
To stop supporting all of the above and of course, I would hope we would all agree
that no voting does not fix those problems Getting new because if the conspiracy
controls the elections, what does that mean about who we vote for about? What does
that mean about who gets elected? all of those suggestions there though could be
quickly fixed if the county People that are counting the votes All of a sudden saw
their likeness hang up and on the tree like it like they did the tax people during
the Revolution
So like you’re talking about like the battle of Athens?
No, I Hate to beam up that crackpot, but I bought all of his kids books.
Connor Boyack, this history said that they just hung in the effigy,
all the tax collectors, and then fled back to England.
Go and cut me. So, so being out there in force, so it wasn’t voting that got
those people to do the right thing. It was getting them to fear, as Thomas
Jefferson says, when the government fears the people, there is liberty. And so it’s
doing things that makes the conspiracy afraid is what gets conspirators to short -term
do the right thing, because that helps protect their position. It is not doing what
they’ve told you to do. That does not get them to do the right thing. So if we
vote,
if you stick in the voting system, does it change any of those things?
I think the answer, I hope the answer. If anybody disagrees with me, please, I
would love to hear your argument. But I think it’s clear that voting doesn’t solve
those problems because the people that are in power or the people that are part of
the conspiracy are going to ensure, because they control every aspect of this, that
whomever is elected is going to support the system that got them elected and they’re
going to make sure that nobody gets elected or nobody, right, no matter how many
votes you cast and where those cast, those votes go, the people that are making,
that are counting the votes are going to make sure that only the people within
their system are elected. Therefore that means everyone we have an office from the
president on down is somebody that the conspiracy wants in there.
Yes, there’s two ways that happens. One way is they work very hard to tell us the
candidates we have to vote for. But the bigger way is they teach us to vote for
tyrants. They teach us to vote for their people. They teach us to vote for people
that are destroying liberty and violating our rights and our national sovereignty and
so forth. And so I think a great deal, what you’re also saying here is we didn’t
have any voter prod at all. We’d still be electing people that are doing the
bidding of the conspiracy to enslave mankind. Oh, with our current understanding,
absolutely. Go ahead, Alan. I think with the 15 million that went up in the rapture
after the election before this one. 15 to 20 million people that they lost or
decided not to vote. That just really shows that 2000 mules must have really had a
lot of names in their bag. unless we hold these county clerks accountable and the
people that uh here in Utah that was checking checking the counties and finding out
there was so much fraud here in Utah amaze me and then the government threatened to
throw them in jail if they didn’t shut up we need we need to Scared the hell out
of the people that’s counting the votes Alan you realize Ben’s point is that even
if they’re we stopped all the voter fraud They would still be electing the same
people. No, well, I I’m not I’m I never disagree with them but the problem but the
problem is if Instead of hanging them in effort to you if there was a couple of
on the high school marquees. I I doubt that I doubt that they’d be so open in
their cheating. And then the cheating is only one part of it as Mark I think is
pointing out is our lack of understanding of correct principles because we look at a
lot of the so -called patriots throughout time just loved Ronald Reagan and he was a
part of the conspiracy. They loved and defended George W. Bush, Bush, and when he
did the Patriot Act, they would accuse people that opposed the Patriot Act of
supporting the terrorists. And so because of the conspiracy and its control of the
election, and because of our lack of understanding and supporting of correct
principles, we end up supporting bad people as much as they control the vote.
And so it’s vital for us um take a multi pronged approach that yes we have to um
strike fear in the hearts of the conspirators at the same time that we build
understanding in the masses because if we only do one of those we are going to
have the same results we have right now but if we do at least both of those
that’s when The change starts to happen. So that’s That’s where I was I was the
sucker for Reagan Not it was Not I was worse than I was a sucker for bob dole.
That’s ridiculous And so I needed to bring up how stupid I was with that Well, my
father liked bob dole because he was world war two guy
but uh Reagan and
I’m probably gonna get shunned on this one Reagan and Trump. I yeah, I’m suckering
right in on both of those Well, hopefully you’ll read the article on Reagan. So I’m
gonna check it out
Quickly address the principles you’re talking about your talk tonight is basically to
summarize is one of the steps We ought to take to restore liberty, but we can’t
take any of those steps effectively if we don’t know what liberty is. We’ve got to
know those principles. Of course, you don’t know what liberty is if you don’t know
what tyranny is. You have to know what individual rights are. So you have to have
that kind of knowledge or there’s no way in the world you’re going to restore
liberty. Most Americans, the great constitutionalists that You’re you have an
association with a moving 10 Liberton that stated that most Americans don’t know what
liberty is. They play no, but we know what we know what tyranny is I mean you go
fishing now. They allow you for trout if you’ve got grandkids and and family you
want to Get food for for trout you’d have to have a little bit of the savior in
you where you could be the multitude by yeah they only seem to understand tyranny
when it’s a democrat imposing it but when there’s a republican imposing it then all
of a sudden they think it’s the that that tyranny is good yeah identified in
principle an ideology and most americans can’t do that well just because you give an
example like you just did doesn’t mean that you or anybody understands what the
political ideology and the principles of liberty are and talks to the Hubert, all of
the Utah governors have fit right in there. I’m going to jump in and say,
I don’t think we do understand tyranny. If we did, we wouldn’t be in the situation
we’re in now. Absolutely. Yep. Absolutely.
All right, let’s go ahead and continue on. So, Of course, we have these false
solutions promoted by false patriots. And I’m gonna give Obamacare as an example.
Mark brought up the 10th Amendment Center. So I wanted to kind of, here’s another
voice showing you what doesn’t work. And so I’m gonna bring up the 10th Amendment
Center. They did a great article right here. The top five ways to fail at
eliminating Obamacare. So you could use these same things. Top five ways to fail
going, getting rid of bad legislation, whatever the bad legislation is, and
implementing something good, these are the ways to fail at it. And so they, and
they lay out why. So the, right, this was written in 2012. So we have hindsight of
history to show how right these guys were, because they were following principle
instead of personality. So number five, they, you know, there was this idea by
certain take talk radio hosts that was, we just have to wait for Obamacare to
collapse under its own weight that it’s just going to fail on its own and so we
don’t need to worry about it. And so their response was for decades people have
said that American foreign policy can’t continue on this path. It does. We’ve heard
that the Fed can’t keep printing and printing and printing, but it still does. Or
that the next violation of individual liberty is going to wake enough people up to
bring things to an end, but yet “constitutional violations continue unabated.” Yes,
Obamacare is certainly an economic monstrosity, but waiting for it to fail under its
own weight won’t help even when taking responsible steps for your own emergency
preparation. And guess what? Tomorrow never comes. So we’ve had the Federal Reserve
since 1913. Is that gonna, are we just gonna wait for that to fall on its own
weight, that’s our children and grandchildren and great grandchildren that are having
to deal with this. The same thing as we’re having to deal with the results of the
Federal Reserve still in existence, people waiting for it to collapse on its own
weight. So this is not a way to fix or to solve a problem or to make a problem
go away. – Then your example of Obamacare, that there’s some really quite relevant
information. It was kiltering towards possibly collapsing until President Trump
intervened. And what he did is he took a lot, I mean, with the Congress’s
cooperation, he took a lot of taxpayers’ money and they increased subsidies for both
the insurance company and the unemployed, you know, those people that were being
forced to have to pay for their insurance by the original terms of the public care.
And so he took the rest of our money to pay for their insurance on top of that.
He increased subsidies. That’s part of that huge deficit occurred while he’s a
president. And so that stabilized it. And so this is an example of the other party
cooperating with the Democrats all working together in this conspiracy. Yeah.
Thank you. So number four is eliminated by executive order. Now we’ve been through
three presidents or one since I mean two presidents since then. And we can see just
all on its own that hasn’t worked. All presidents have made a mockery of
constitutional restraint with their use of executive orders. And of course, both sides
of the political aisle make excuses for their president when he’s been in office.
All of this is part of our never ending path towards an executive dictatorship.
Look, there are many ways that executive action could theoretically put enough
roadblocks in the way to bring the affordable care act to an end. But to any
constitution loving person, the idea of a president eliminating law by executive order
should be considered extremely dangerous. Here’s the big problem. If we accept the
idea of one person deciding whether or not a law will stay or go, what’s to stop
the next president from reversing those decisions? This would be a temporary band -aid
at best. So this really gets back to like a lot of the, my mindset when I was
first starting to wake up, this was right, we had after 9 /11 and they have the
introduction of the Patriot Act. And I looked at that and I said, wow, that’s, you
know, I wouldn’t, I don’t think that Bush of use this. But what about the next
guy? And so I oppose it on those grounds at that time, not knowing who Bush was
at the time. And so but now we can say, okay, nobody has, nobody’s allowed to
violate the law number one, only Congress is allowed to pass and repeal laws. But I
think overall that the history proves that waiting for a president to get rid of
bad law has proven in addition to not wanting them to violate the Constitution.
It’s proven to be futile. You know, Biden, of course, didn’t repeal it,
and Trump did not repeal it in four years, but even through executive order. And as
Mark has pointed out, he actually made sure that it was stabilized and use on and
there is there is no Republican talking head Trump during his entire campaign for
president. Nobody was talking about eliminating Obamacare. They were only that was
that is that is a dead issue now. All of those people are just accepting it as
the law of the land supposedly. And so waiting for that to happen is ridiculous. I
thought the reason we still had Obamacare is because that guy from Arizona,
McCain, McCain, I thought it was him giving his thumbs up to shut everything down.
I just figured that they didn’t want to bring it back since it was just hanging on
John McCain’s vote. Well, he’s been dead for a few years. Anybody could have run
back. He couldn’t have died quick enough. Alan, you need to know this. That was one
vote. The president of the United States, Trump, had equivalent to 17 senator votes.
He had equivalent to about 100 congressional votes if he beat the vote. He had much
more power than McCain did to stop it. But nobody’s telling you that. The Senate
has had dumb dumb people like flake and and Mitt Romney and uh Rikowski it seems
like uh when it hung by one vote I think uh I think I’ve just decided that
there’s too many idiots in there on the republican now Alan you’re ignoring what I
just said it wasn’t one vote the president had equivalent to 17 senator to the
electoral votes he had equivalent equivalent to about nearly 100 congressional votes
to end it. But he didn’t. He didn’t veto it. He signed it into law.
Yeah, but you didn’t listen to me. There’s too many rhinos. There’s too many rhinos
for it to ever get passed. That’s always been the excuse during the Bush
administration and during, you know, every administration, frankly, every administration,
it’s always, oh, we just need to vote harder next time We got to get more
Republicans in there because we just can’t get our agenda passed and so And so we
have here over a hundred years of tyranny being implemented because people are saying
we just need more Ours in there to get the right thing done Instead of recognizing
the fact that we are under a conspiracy and that those in power are a part of it
because they’re not As you brought it before the call even started Allen. Trump
isn’t waiting for, you know, all the rhinos to go along with stuff. He’s signing
executive orders all day today. And wasn’t waiting for these things to happen. So
they they are not doing executive orders to do this. And even if they did, they
shouldn’t, because that’s not how it works. And so let’s go on to number three, go
back to the Supreme Court, right? We’re going to sue our way out of Obamacare. Some
people, the legal scholars and so -called experts believe that a proper next step is
to go back to court. Yeah, right. They’ll get to write more articles about it, get
more attention on the legal discussion in advance, the importance of their profession.
But that’s about it. So, you know, we can sit, we can, it was a Republican
appointed Supreme Court Justice, John Roberts, that kept Obamacare in there.
That is not going to change. The conspiracy needs centralized control of medicine.
We have it on our our website Medicine leads the way. It’s a talk by Robert Welch
and it was written if it was given thinking back in the 60s or 70s And it is an
essential to understanding why the conspiracy in the federal, you know The judicial
branch the executive branch and in Congress will not take steps steps to repeal
Obamacare, or any other part of the conspiracy’s major tent polls.
So the next one is “Boat the Bums Out.” Blowhards like Bill O ‘Reilly tell us that,
quote, “If Obama goes down, so does the liberal movement in America,” end of quote,
obviously ridiculous, Obama’s been out for a while now, and look at what we still
have. This one could easily have made number one because it’s so idiotic and
ignorant, not only would the current alternative give you much of Obamacare under a
different name, but there’s virtually no reason to trust Republicans in general when
it comes to eliminating the so -called liberal movement in this country. They have
been part of it for a long time. We saw that with Mitt Romney, which everybody,
you know, when he ran against Obama, they were, you had people like Glenn Beck
saying he was the next George Washington. Literally, he said that. And even though
he was the one that was got Obamacare started in Massachusetts under,
you know, Romney care. And when he was running for president, all these so -called,
all the talking heads and all these so -called conservatives were all saying what a
great guy Mitt Romney was. But now that he’s, you know, a senator and especially
now that he’s out of office, now they can say he was a rhino. But they all
defended him and supported him and made you out to be a commie if you didn’t
support him.
Republicans gave us the biggest expansion of government, run healthcare in three
decades, when they passed Medicare Part D under Bush. They played a significant role
in the new record number of people on food stamps. And twice in 2012, they voted
to keep the program that gave us cylindra. But it’s not just Republicans who play
this game. Democrats are equally guilty. The election of the peace president brought
us new wars, an expansion of the Patriot Act, indefinite detention, and much more.
So because the conspiracy controls the elections, that means whoever gets elected is
the Republican or Democrat, as Carol Quigley said, is going to continue the same
program. Voting the bums out is a proven, now over 12 years,
proven way to fail at eliminating Obamacare. Right?
We’ve got the same thing, right? Crowd cheers, locker up. He says, “That plays great
before the election. Now we don’t care.” So, you know, what they say when they’re
trying to get elected is one thing what they do once they’re in office is
completely different Now the number one repeal and replace. That’s what What’s his
name? Sean Hannity always talks about or used to always talk about the federal
government should not be managing the health care industry period Doesn’t matter if
that management is done by someone named Obamni Obamni Obama, Romney Bush or Clinton
or Trump. I don’t want a new name for Obamacare. I don’t even want a lesser
Obamacare. I want the feds to butt the hell out and follow the Constitution. Okay.
So that’s right. Repealing and replacing is not a solution. It is just a way to
continue the tyranny from one era to another. Every Republican Senator or virtually
virtually everyone, including Senator Mike Lee is important, the replacement bill for
Obamacare. The replacement bill was equivalent to the greatest increase of socialism
in America in 80 -some years. It was the only bill that the law that was worse was
Obamacare itself. So that replacement makes you practically one of the worst
communists in Yep. Yeah. If a Democrat had introduced that in,
you know, 2009, everybody, all the Republicans would have lost their minds. Yeah. So
what does history prove, right? There’s the Obamacare is still in the books. No one
is talking about getting rid of it. And Republicans, they’re not even, they, they
promise not to repeal it. Just like they do with Medicare, which is our medic, I
mean, I’m sorry, Social Security, which is also a part of the socialist program that
constitutionalists suppose when it was first implemented and as a mark of socialism.
And so we need to understand that following the talking heads,
traditional solutions to so -called fixing the problems, they are designed to fail.
You can’t do it every time on accident, it’s on purpose. – Yes, it’s actually
destructive to call it Obamacare. Because once Obama was out of office, it was
really Trump care, because he put it in his budget. And so it was, then once he
was out of office and Biden was in there was Biden care and Congress. And now it’s
Trump care again as of today, because he’s keeping it in his budget.
– If It would be simple. He doesn’t even have like even if there was a problem in
the Senate or the House All he would have to do is say I’m gonna veto this every
single time you bring it to me until this is out. Absolutely
But people get this notion once it’s passed the next Administration can’t do anything
about it. They can it takes five seconds for Trump to Bollish it with a veto and
And that threat, the threat you just gave, and just not sign up any budget as it
is. – Yep. – When I went in to sell in life insurance,
’cause they told me they were gonna pull my health card drive and truck. And when
I was in insurance, we always talked about social security was the rottenest thing
ever. You could buy in disability insurance and health insurance and have more money
than you would through Social Security and President Benson was given a talk where
he said don’t participate in Social Security and when he give that talk,
I thought to myself, what the hell are you talking about? Your employer takes it
out, you don’t have nothing to say about it. How could you not participate in it
unless you’re self -employed and even then they make you pay self insurance,
self -employment tax, which is social security. Now that I’m old and on social
security, I don’t know what I’d do without the thing stuff. So they get you
trapped. They’ve enslaved you both Yeah, yeah, what you benefit from or not benefit
from is an argument utility to argument actually the average person would have way
over a million dollars waiting for him if they invested in conservative investments
Uh, but it’s not a personal matter. It’s also a matter of theft for all all other
americans You’re forced to go into this. You’re forced to pay taxes It’s another
social welfare bill, uh, And so that’s immoral. So nobody should be supporting theft
according to God.
And as well as coveting other people’s stuff. That’s right. So I don’t want to
always be like, oh, this doesn’t work. No, no, no, no, no. I want to be able to
show you, well, then this is, but it does lay the foundation of why we focus on
what we do. I want to show you why the other people are lying to you when they
promote these other ideas. And so what does work then, of course, we need to first,
number one, we need to change our mindset about these people. I’ve talked about this
before. We stop seeing and treating those whom the founders would call tyrants as
legitimate because they have violated their oath. Therefore, they are usurpers and
they are illegitimate. And we needed to think of them that way, and so that we can
start to treat them that way because they depend on you thinking that they are
legitimate for their power and they fear you seeing them for who they are because
they know once you see them for who they are you can start acting in the way that
you should. Yeah, Kay, go ahead. The way I remember it when they were starting to
implement Social Security, President Benson told the people you voted for freedom
before you came here don’t change your vote here absolutely and I have seen where
over and over and over the prophets did warn us from public school to everything
else but we always wanted free so we voted for free so just remember every time
they for you stuff. For free, you’re getting more and more in debt and change.
Yep. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Absolutely. And one of the problems we call it free when
it’s actually looting.
So we’ve got to change our mindset. Number one, the next thing is we have to let’s
go over those first steps, right? Before we get into any of the, you know, the
hanging folks, let’s Let’s talk about the first things we do is we have to build
understanding and including exposing the evil as as Marx talked about tonight is if
we don’t do that what we do what we set up afterwards will be just as bad as
what we have now. So if we if we skip the foundational steps were a couple of
weeks ago I talked about you know showing the clip from karate kid we want to We
always want to skip the hard work and just, I want to be a ninja today, right? I
want to have liberty today. Well, we’re in a position where because of brainwashing,
because of government schools, because of talk radio, because of the news that we
don’t understand the principles that would allow us to have freedom if we got rid
of all the the bad guys today. And so if we got rid of Social Security today,
we’d have 95, 99 % Republicans opposing us and wanting the new guide to make sure
we have another retirement and disabled income where we steal from people today to
give to people, you know, from one guy to give to another. Rob Peter to pay Paul.
And so that’s just one example. And so we’re in a position where just skipping to
the end would not solve the problem. We have to do the hard work of building our
own understanding of building the understanding of those around us. And part of that
not only is understanding good, but we have to understand evil as well. And we have
to expose the evil and call out the evil. We have to do that hard work. And then
the next hard work that we have to do is we have to build a geographic area of
people. We have to get our neighbors either move to a place where everybody already
agrees with us, or we build an area that, you know, help change the understanding
of those around us to understand these principles. But if we’re the only ones that
want freedom, then everyone around you is going to demand you to go to prison. I
want to give an example of that. I know a guy that grew up in Germany during the
national socialist reign there in the 30s and 40s.
And they had free food. Every week they would get these stamps that were sent to
them to go and collect their food. And every week it was sent And one week,
and if you’ve heard the story, just bear with me, the stamps stopped and people
said, “Oh, that’s weird, what’s going on?” And they just kind of dealt with it.
Another week goes by and their cupboards starting to get pretty bare, and they’re
wondering what’s going on. The third week goes on and their cupboards are pretty
much bare, and they’re wondering how they’re gonna feed their family. And in the
following week, instead of the food stamp coming in the mail, they get a letter
saying so and so down the street has a gun until that man has his gun turned in.
You’re not going to get your food. And so the entire neighborhood gathered together
to get that guy to turn in their guns. The government didn’t need to go door to
door collecting guns. The government just got the people to do it for them.
And so, if you do not set that standard, if you do not get a community of people
around you that will support liberty, you are the only one in your community that
supports liberty, and everybody else in the community is in chains, and they want
their free handout, they’re going to go after you, and you’re going to be all by
yourself because of that, and you’re going to be all alone, which is going to be
much easier, not only for the government to pick you off, but for the government to
use your neighbors to pick you off. And so we’ve got to do the hard work of
building a community of people that will have your back and that you will have
their backs. That is the hard work that has to be established first. That is a
second part of the foundation that before we do anything else has to be done. The
second one is to nullify, right? And again, and I agree with what Mark said that,
of course, enforcement, I mean, actively interposing is a part of it, but I wanted
to kind of separate the steps with two different words. So for today’s reasoning,
we’re gonna say nullification is just the refusal to obey or to enforce,
okay? So that’s the first step is I’m not gonna obey this illegal law And if you
are a cop, if you are an IRS agent, whoever, if you’re a person in authority,
you’re not going to enforce it. You’re gonna nullify it by not enforcing it. The
next step is interposing against the enforcement of illegal acts. You interpose, you
actively prevent its enforcement. If the conspiracy didn’t control government,
you would have a police officer stopping an IRS agent from confiscating your home or
from collecting money out of your check, you would have a cop preventing a CPS
agent from kidnapping your child. You would have a cop or somebody at some level
preventing OSHA from invading your business.
But because if a government has the right to do that, of course, you have the
right to do that. The next step after ignoring it is to go out there and yourself
physically prevent someone’s rights from being trampled. And then after you do and
then and so I want to give an example of interposition. We have in Georgia,
there was a court case of Warchester versus Georgia in 1832. And the Supreme Court
ruled against Georgia. They said, you guys were violating the Constitution. And the
because, because, of course, the states and the individuals are the final arbiter,
according to the founding fathers of what the Constitution says. They passed their
own law that said anyone that comes to Georgia to enforce the court ruling will be
hung. And so they were saying, not only are we not going to ignore you, but we’re
going to kill anyone that comes into our state to enforce this illegal act of the
ruling of the court. And so that’s an example of interposition,
standing in the way, preventing an illegal act from being implemented.
It was regarding private property. I was afraid you was pausing to see if I was
going to comment about hell, yeah, that’s why you had to do it. Moses was asking
me a question. So what was the law? I can’t remember specifically. It was something
about private property. And the courts were trying to enforce the idea of removing
someone’s private property. And so Georgia said, no, you can’t do that.
And so, right, so the next step is to defend yourself, your family, and your like
-minded community against acts of aggression. So getting into those final steps that
we find in killing no murder and we see what the Founding Fathers ultimately did.
But your ability to do that, so if somebody, of course, attacks you immediately
right now, you don’t say, “Well, I don’t have enough people with me.” No, of
course, you’re being attacked right now. You need to defend your family. That’s a
God -given right, anybody that criticizes you for doing that right now is, you know,
insane, they’re evil. And so, but to actively engage in such a thing without having
the groundwork, right, if you if you go to the end, you’re if you if you go to
the last step, first, before doing the other things, your odds of success are
greatly diminished and so it’s essential that as we build up to the final steps
that we lay that foundation and so that we have a solid ground to stand on for
success. And so we have to make sure that we don’t fall into the temptation of
skipping those steps that are hard and just wanting to to do the end, because in
fact, it’s gonna be easier. Sometimes, you know, we, I think of a recipe,
right? And we don’t want to mix the dry ingredients together and then separately mix
the wet ingredients together and then combine them. We wanna do, well, I got time
for that. We’re gonna mix them all together at the same time. And you know what?
You didn’t actually save time because the end product, you’d have to throw away.
It didn’t work. It wasn’t what you wanted. And so you had to start over and do it
right. You had to do it right in any ways. And so you never save time by taking
a shortcut. We have to recognize and be committed to actually doing the hard work.
And so in the beginning, I mentioned the importance of going into the member portal,
using that to educate ourselves And then using those tools to print off cards to
pass along and help people know about these principles of liberty and know about the
Tree of Liberty Society, that’s that groundwork that has to be done before we can
get to the stuff of nullification, interposition, and defending ourselves against acts
of aggression. And so, of course, we need to — what is the Tree of Liberty
Society named after is this great quote by Thomas Jefferson. And I hope that we
would understand these things and be willing to have the moral fortitude to not skip
the necessary steps. And that we understand why those solutions that are talked about
so much that are so tempting don’t work, that they’re wrong. And that those that
study like the 10th Amendment Center have studied with the founding fathers said they
know why those don’t work and why those talking heads that are telling us to do
those things are wrong and time has proven them to be wrong and they’ve proven the
methods of the founding fathers to be right. And so we need to stop falling for
those shortcuts and so that we can start doing the thing that actually works instead
of wasting our time and having to throw everything out and start all over again.
And so with that, we are way over time. I need to make a comment on you’re
throwing things out. Okay, you don’t you don’t throw it away. You just claim that
that’s Dutch or Italian food. You just feed it to the kids anyway.
All right, let’s go ahead and have a closing prayer and then we can get into more
details. I’ll go over the comments during the open forum.
But I’m going to ask, Rulan,
good to see you. Would you be willing to, I don’t know if you’ve an opportunity to
say the closing prayer for us?
You just got on mute if you can.
Yeah, awesome. Thank you.
Our Father in Heaven, heaven we come before the infirers we thank thee for the many
blessings you have poured down upon us and we thank thee for
looking after our families and we ask that these blessings in the future that we
will be able to build up thy kingdom that the wicked governments of this earth will
be destroyed and wrought down and thy kingdom established and we pray that we
can stand in holy places and be protected and we offer this prayer in the name of
thy Son Jesus Christ, amen. Amen. Thank you.
