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Okay, making sure I’m on here. You’re on. Okay. Our Father in Heaven, we’re waiting for this opportunity to meet together and to discuss and learn the things that are important.
We pray that we may understand and have Thy Spirit guide us. We pray that we may understand and have Thy Spirit guide us. in our doing that we may be effective.
We’re grateful for all the blessings that we do enjoy and we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Philip. Take it away,
Carmen. We’ve got the minutes for our first March meeting on the 4th. If you’re ready. I’m ready. Okay. Tree of Liberty Society, minutes for Monday,
February 27th. Land is the one that offered the opening prayer. Ben reminded us about the March 30th meeting coming up in St. George.
He encouraged our use of an upcoming script to give a boot camp where each person lives. Training for that night was key principles that keep us from being as effective as possible.
Oh, excuse me. The Supreme Court talked about how the Supreme Court was blocking Missouri’s rule that prevents Christians from serving on jury duty because they’re unfit due to believing in the Bible and they would be limited labeled as bigots and treated as such by the government.
Talked about the Alpine School District report about gender diversity that they will not report to the parents about a child’s gender identity that it can be hidden from the parents because parents are a safety concern,
a threat to the child. – The ACLU protects, is very protective. of students’ rights to privacy. The child has a right of privacy from parents.
He talked about the government school’s danger to children. And if this is happening in NEVO, it can happen anywhere. Again,
the Supreme Court decision decision, government officials can’t be held accountable for violating laws. It’s called qualified immunity.
You cannot sue the government to protect your rights. Talked about where Weiler protested the bill to enforce this and then voted unanimously to advance the bill.
The bill is restricts access to statements made by. public employees. These are kangaroo courts and they can’t use a discovery access for evidence for self -defense.
Is this the minutes from the fourth or is it from the 26th? oh oh my heavens as last week I thought the minutes you know we’re gonna be really short because it was kind of an open forum type of a deal oh I didn’t go back I was supposed to go back and write and listen to the meeting and write the minutes down and I totally spaced it I’m sorry So because we already did these minutes,
so we don’t need to redo them again. So no problem. Yeah, let’s not do it again. Okay. Oh, I’m sorry, Ben. That’s okay. Happens. I’m ready for the minutes now.
Ready for this week’s minutes. Okay. Yeah, that was, oh gosh, I remember now. Okay, let’s go. Okay, let’s go. So this will, this will free us up some more time for discussion.
So. So I’m really excited actually for tonight’s meeting and I hope we get a lot of discussion and some back and forth. But before we get into the meeting, there is some stuff I just want to kind of bring up and that is going to be just a reminder for those of you that are available to be able to get to Southern Utah on the 30th.
Encourage you to get your tickets as soon as possible. At what way, if you get the… tickets that are associated with ordering the books, it’ll give you the time to be able to get the books and time for you.
If not, it’ll have to be, you know, you’re not guaranteed to get your books at the meeting itself and also give me time to make sure that the catering has the notice that they need. So the sooner that you’re able to do that,
the better for planning purposes. And let’s see here. here. I can’t remember if I mentioned it last week, but just another reminder, I’m actually teaming up with Kate Dahle for a regular show that she wants to cover more local topics.
And so this will be something since she was, they were, she was forced off the air on the local hour part of her program. She wants to do this kind of do a simulcast on several different platforms.
And she wants to kind of have me be one of her main guests for that guest hosts to do that with her. So that’s pretty exciting that we’ll be able to have that kind of reach again and be able to kind of really start to rebuild what we’ve been doing.
And great. So we’ve got that coming up, which is pretty exciting. Just we’ve got a lot of good folks that we’re working on teaming up with that will really help us to really spread.
spread ourselves out and so I really appreciate those of you that have worked to develop those relationships with us and encourage all of us if we know people if we know groups that we can start to you know that we’re on the same page as and we can start to network with you know have me come and speak to their organization or come and speak to your homes things along those lines that’s really important.
Another thing as well, I’m about finished up with the scripts for the boot camps that you can start to do on your own. Of course, we have them pre -recorded,
pre -filmed for people on the website, but it’s also nice for people to be able to see you. They know you and to be able to have you magnify ourselves, right? The more that we’re able to do that, we can magnify the efforts that I’m doing at the Tree of Liberty Society,
the more that we can reach. And so that’s why we have 24 -hour access to the boot camp on the website. But then the more of you that are doing the boot camp as well, the more we’ll be able to reach because it’s you giving it.
And so I’m excited about that. Keep an eye out for the the scripts and be glad to work with you to practice and to get yourself comfortable and that you can start doing the boot camps yourself and start building the understanding of the principles of liberty in your own community that face to face does so much more than anything that I can do online.
Does anybody have any questions on the topics of the event on the 30th or teaming up with Kate or with the boot camps on your own in the middle of the script? Any questions, thoughts,
comments? Okay, if not, feel free though to put them in the chat if you don’t want to speak up or to reach out to me anytime,
cell phone, email, text message, whatever it is that you– however I can help you, please feel free to chime in and let me know. Let me make sure that I’m not– forgetting anything on the list of things that we’re covering.
And I think that’s, oh, I’m working with the lawyer where the things that went on with the raid back in November isn’t stopped. It’s just kind of we’re in the data collection mode.
And so things are progressing with that. It’s important for us to be able to continue to get our message out there, because that’s the thing that they’re trying to do is to silence what we’re doing.
They’re afraid of what we’re saying. They’re afraid of what we’re exposing. They’re afraid of the solutions that we’re telling people about, and so they want to silence us. And so everything that you can do to help our message grow is very important,
whether that’s through, of course, your financial support or through sharing our materials on a regular basis, inviting your friends to become members of the Tree of Liberty Society,
whatever it is that you can help to be able to magnify our voice, that is something that we need. So everybody, of course, their talents and abilities are different, but what you can do to magnify is something that we should always be thinking about.
So let’s go ahead and get started. If there are no further, if there are any questions or comments on that. and again for fear.
This is your first time as a reminder that feel free to Somebody’s talking. I’m sorry I’ll mute you Carmen So if you have a question or anything,
you know, feel free to interrupt or if you don’t feel like Interrupting feel free to put it into the chat chat and I’ll address it afterwards. And so I can share mine.
There we go. Okay. So reminder, that’s the link for the website on the on the training. And I want to go over, it had been mentioned and it’s brought up before,
you know, we’ve, we’ve talked about the issues that we face. And, you know, the seriousness of the fact that we face a conspiracy And I’ve talked about how the solutions that are promoted by,
you know, the mainstream and corporate media and even some of the so -called, you know, alternative media has been all along the same lines. And why is it that those things don’t work?
And so, and I, you know, of course always like to focus on what it is that we’re supposed to be doing as well. But, you know, I’m focusing on some of the things that are going on in the world. presentations, talking about why these things don’t work,
and then get questions of ask, well, what does work? And so, of course, we cover that in the bootcamps, in the books and the invasion of volume one and two, and in the third book of “Killing No Murder.” But tonight,
I do want to focus on, what is it that we should be doing? But not just really kind of just as a list, right? I don’t want it to be a list of things that we should be doing. I want to lay down the principles of why,
because hopefully the more that we internalize the principles, the less that we have to be commanded in all things, the more that we can catch the vision and be excited about what it is that we need to be doing,
and excited about not getting trapped in the hamster wheel that modern solutions offer, that we go back to principles that are tested throughout time that need to be applied again today.
And with maybe a modern twist. And so we talked about what doesn’t work just to kind of recap of voting and running for office and taking the government to court or writing certainly written letters to these Satanists,
rallies, right? maybe new to you,
but these are important things for us to really grasp, is that the things that the conspiracy is promoting through their outlets is the thing that gives them legitimacy.
We’re saying that they’re legitimate by saying that when we’re voting, we’re saying whatever the outcome of this election is, it’s legitimate. When we run for office,
we’re saying when we lose, the outcome is legitimate. We’re taking to court. We’re saying what the court says about our rights being violated or not, you know, if they say that they haven’t been violated,
then I’m willing to accept that as legitimate. Or, you know, if we think that Satanists are like just wanting a little bit more information, they just don’t quite get it. We’re not getting it,
right? And if you think that they care about you holding up a sign that says what you don’t like what they’re doing, you know, it’s maybe rallies are good for finding others of like mine.
mind, but for actually changing things right then and there, that’s not what’s going to work. What you’re doing is you’re saying that the system is legitimate. It just needs to be reformed or tweaked a little bit.
And so what we understand with the conspiracy and what it’s done is that that is just perpetuating the problem as we have seen where things from the last 100 years,
are they getting better or is the the conspiracy accumulating more and more power? And if it’s accumulating more and more power, why? And so that gets us into what does work.
And that’s what the conspiracy is afraid of, is what does work. And they want to poo poo and make you not think is legitimate. And that’s, of course, non -compliance, nullification, not paying any attention to what they’re doing,
being self -sufficient. -sufficient. The more that you’re independent, the less of a grasp, you know, grip that they have on you, non -participation. So that’s different than non -compliance,
it’s kind of an expansion of non -compliance. But you’re just, I’m not, you know, like sending your kids to government school. That’s not participating in their system as an example. An exposure of them and eradication,
that’s why they try to poo poo the idea of conspiracy because Because they want you to not believe in the exposure That them being exposed and the the truths that are being told That is exposing their lies and their participation and it’s not just ignorance that they’re doing what they’re doing on purpose Because the more that we expose them and who they are The less that the masses are going to be willing to go
along with them the more non compliance that we can get The more non participation that we can get as well, and then of course eradication, right? Anything just getting breaking it down to the principle is anything that takes away a legitimacy to Satan’s kingdom and moves us towards God’s kingdom.
That’s what does work. So things that don’t work, legitimizing Satan’s kingdom, what does work is things that adds, you know, takes away legitimacy from Satan’s kingdom and moves us and others towards God’s kingdom.
kingdom. Any thoughts, comments, questions before we move on from here? Yeah, I’ve got one. Yeah. So the elephant in the room is the issue of seeking justice for the courts about the known upgrade that you experienced.
Yeah. Any comments? Oh, oh, oh. so that was something that I said from the very get -go of With the lawyer himself.
I was like you can go take care of that if you if that’s something that you know you enjoy doing You know, that’s that’s fine and dandy But I have no I have zero expectation. I have no that is not you know my Desire of the outcome with working with the lawyer my my intention is that we are with people in their mindset of like,
oh, you have need to have a professional, right, kind of working with a two wronged exposure of the conspiracy and what they do to try and silence critics.
So you have me just stating the plain words of the Constitution and how they violated clearly the fourth amendment of the Constitution. Just. just added just plainly as plain as day exposing the aspect of the Of the collection the affidavit the collection of evidence and how they were spying on me with no cause and how they admit that and And then using a lawyer that you know for the other side that you know those
that just don’t take plain English very well that that if there’s some folks that will say, okay, well, this guy has studied and become, you know, certified in understanding the law.
And he’s saying the exact same thing. It’s the mouth out of, you know, out of two or three witnesses, shall the truth be established as the, as the idea to further to expose them as illegitimate.
And if, you know, somehow they, it is benefits, you know, there’s some somehow something slips through the cracks. It’s not about justice and expecting justice.
It’s about exposing the weakness of the structure of the conspiracy and of the system and how much they, you know, just a small, small fry like me that they’re still afraid of.
Why would they be afraid of me? You know, just being a small guy, if what we were doing and saying. saying wasn’t the truth and wasn’t a threat, a serious threat to them, why would they keep going after me in the ways that they have is as clear as needed for them to understand.
And so using these two tools together, I think is important to be able to raise awareness and then be able to raise the resources that are needed because what we do to get our voice out there is resource intensive.
And so the more resources. that we have, the greater that we can get the message out to more people. And so that’s the intention, I guess, is not thinking that justice will be had in the courts.
Does that make sense, Alan? Yeah, just very briefly, I don’t want to dwell on this too long because you have a lot of material to cover. But I think it’s important to make sure that we understand before we move on.
Sure. So is a lawyer that the U .S. considered an officer of the court? An officer of the court. Not necessarily.
No, a judge would be or the prosecutor would be, but not a defense attorney. Okay. In Canada, that’s one of the problems we have is that a lawyer will try and plead you off because they’re an officer of the court and their highest obligation is to preserve the appearance of of integrity of the justice system.
Man? Hold on. Yeah. But Alan finished, Carmen. Hold on. Oh, I’m sorry. Okay. Sure. And the other question I have is, would technically you be representing yourself or are you actually entering into an attorney -client relationship?
Would I be representing myself? Yeah. Oh, in this case, he would be. be technically if he decided like he was like, you know, I’ve got time my hands. I want to make them squirm.
That’s kind of the things that he said is that it does make them squirm. They don’t like this kind of exposure. And so, yes, you’re, you know, he was saying that I was right that expecting the government to say the government violated my rights is a far -fetched idea.
But it does make them squirm. That’s what he wants to make them feel as uncomfortable as possible. possible. But going back to your original point, there are lawyers that they recognize that if they have a bad relationship with a judge,
that they are less likely to get favorable rulings. And so they try to play as nice as possible. But this specific lawyer is, he has a reputation for just trying to cause as much trouble as possible.
– Okay, cool. – Ma ‘am? – Yeah. – When I first joined this group, I was reading somewhere that most people are not aware that in the United States,
lawyers are considered officers of the court and their first responsibility is to the judge. judge and the courts that he is operating under,
not his client, and most clients don’t understand that. I don’t remember where I read that, but it was when I first joined this group.
About five years ago, there was a bill put forward that was going to make the defense attorneys attorneys independent and they canceled that.
If you get a point, a court appointed attorney, yeah. – Yeah. – He’s an officer of the court, yes. But if you have a private lawyer,
they are subject to the bar and those types of things. So to an extent, yes, but not fully. There’s a fuzzy area. These things that you showed doesn’t work.
Is that a progress? Because I went through all of those myself. Say that.
Those things you showed didn’t work. Those are all things that you’ve done. You mean? – Yeah, is that a process that we have to go through before we start talking about nullification and– – No,
no, I’m saying that these are the things that we don’t even bother with. You skip those things because they’re designed to waste your time and money. – I know, but I, myself, I’ve evolved through all of those.
– Oh, yeah, yeah, it’s a step process that an average person goes through before they realize that and some of them give up or some of them kind of say, “I’ll give up.” this is what doesn’t work. So we need to move to what does work.
– Okay, one last thing and I’ll shut up. – You’re good. – My kids, I’ve been talking to them and telling them to don’t apply things. And they started,
see what was Chase Allen? – Sovereign citizen? – Sovereign says it sounds like you’re trying to be a sovereign citizen and reject the rule of law. Government I said I’m rejecting the corporation of the government.
Oh, I don’t want to hear that. Yeah, what you’re doing is the reject in the government Is is sovereign citizen something that they’re They’re kind of it’s like a messy area like they it’s an area where they like where they are still accepting it and treating it as legitimate because They’re saying that if they fill out this paperwork if they do these these these that they jump through these hoops then this illegitimate
criminal enterprise will then leave them alone and let them be free whereas what I’m saying is that we’re dealing with satanic a satanic criminal conspiracy that the only thing you can do is to go to war with them because they they they will not let you you,
if you were not a part of them, let you go, just like we saw with Chase Allen, right? He followed all of the so -called rules and these government officers just murdered them. And so that’s kind of the distinction.
Sovereign citizen is a loose term with loose definitions, but that would be the distinction I would say between what I’m saying and what a sovereign sovereign citizen does and says,
if that makes sense with some nuances, of course. Okay, but we’re still under the same threat of suffering with Chase Allen. Absolutely 100%.
Okay, that was the difference though is that we are entering it fully understanding that that is a possible consequence. Whereas Chase felt that if he just explained it to them enough that then they would live.
him go. Does that make sense? That’s like trying to talk to my grandkids. It’s a waste of time and energy. All right.
Well, any other questions? Don’t don’t don’t say what we want to move on. If anybody has any, you know, before we move further, we need to kind of make sure we’re on the same page. Any questions? Okay.
So we talked just kind of bring up some key principles. We have the constitution of the Council of 50 that they wrote. And in there, this right here, I think this is something that we need to have tattooed on the inside of our eyeballs and embroidered on a pillow,
put it on a poster in your living room, whatever. We can get this principle in this. into us is that no other government kingdom, dominion,
authority, power, rule or law shall be acknowledged by my people. Okay. Because right in that same document, we’ve gone over this before. It is said that every single government on the earth right now at this moment,
because I’m going to say at this moment, because I believe that it’s gotten worse, not better since 1844 has has received their power through your serpation blood shed and fraud. Okay,
so that means that it’s illegitimate. Therefore, the only legitimate government is God’s government. So we’re told that no other government except for God’s shall be acknowledged by people that are calling themselves God’s people.
Okay, so what actions do we show that we acknowledge a government? How do we What do we do that show that we’re acknowledging a government as legitimate?
And that we acknowledge it as something that we should obey? This is this isn’t just rhetorical. Maybe I’d like I’d like some comments. You know, what are some things that we do to show our allegiance and our acknowledgement of a government?
Maybe want to grab a rank? What’s that? grab our ankles, grab our ankles. Okay, that’s that’s a graphic way to put it but sure pay taxes pay taxes okay we got people let’s uh let’s use the raise hand feature i guess we got too many people talking over each other that’s good i love it but let me just so we can do in order I couldn’t see who was talking.
So I otherwise I Who said pay taxes? Who said that? That was an idea. Allen. Allen tree?
Yeah. Okay. I’m ready to go on. Alan C raises hand again.
Awesome. Thank you, Alan boat boat. Okay. What happened to everybody talking? Let’s let’s bring it back This stupid protest that don’t mean anything and had no authority and patricians that don’t Have any work on this We’re showing right?
We’re petitioning that way, we want to do that. I like that in the comments, we got Cat Conspiracy saying, “Putting magic stickers on my vehicles.” Yep. So when we’re doing those things,
those are ways that we acknowledge, right? So let’s look at the idea of competing governments, you know, when it really breaks down to, we see here in First Nephi, we learn that behold,
there are saved two churches only. The one is the church of the Lamb of God and the other is the church of the devil. So there’s two churches Here we have Oops.
Oh, we got Wayne. I’m sorry Wayne. Yeah We got Wayne with his hand up and Alan with his hand up. So we’ll go Wayne first I was just saying supporting our elected officials and going to caucus meetings things like that as well or yeah absolutely Alan.
Oh Alan, did you have your hand up again? I’m good. Okay So we see here. So there’s two churches only and then we have this principle back in the council the 50 is that all nations Have obtained their power rule authority and usurpation by rebellion bloodshed tyranny and fraud and no other government kingdom dominion authority power rule shall be acknowledged by my people.” So there’s two governments there.
Then we have here George Washington who says that government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force, like fire is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. And so there are two governments. They have the same basic powers,
you know, how to enforce their will. And so if there’s two churches, then we see here there’s two governments. It’s either God’s government or it is Satan’s government. It’s really what it all breaks down to.
And so we have to ask ourselves, is the government that we’re acknowledging as legitimate, is it God’s government? Or is it Satan’s government? And what does that mean? And then how do I react to that?
Because there are going to be, right, there’s only two kingdoms. We need to understand because as we do that, we acknowledge these things, there are are steps and actions that we will take in response to that.
And I think that, you know, that those, you know, specific actions will be hopefully laid upon by principle, but also by revelation,
personal revelation. Where do I, where does the Lord want me to start in this process of only acknowledging his government? and not recognizing and acknowledging Satan’s government.
Okay. Yeah, absolutely. Ramon, thank you. Alan, go ahead. Yeah, I think that even if we do things that are Satan’s government.
It’s more a lot of the times it’s more like turning Turning the other cheek or loving line enemy, you know that despitefully uses you we’re not You know we have to I mean they’re certainly there’s a point where you have to,
there’s some would feel necessary to exercise the options available in, for instance, the Declaration of Independence, cast aside the government that’s over you.
Right. But where do you draw the line there? I mean, I really think that we should be.
be walking softly and hearing a big step. Yes. Yeah. There’s wisdom in that.
Our government has taught us to be passive and to be open -minded and look at both sides. We’ve got to start taking the attitude that right is right and stand up for it.
Thank you. and totally say the other things like the LG alphabet soup stuff is evil and there and take the attitude that they’ve taken our liberties away piecemeal we want them back and we don’t want them back piecemeal we want them back back.
And so I think both of those, I think, I think you’re, so this is going to sound wishy -washy, but it’s not. I think you’re both right, because I think, A, there’s,
there’s principle in both of those. There’s, right, there’s a season for everything, as the Old Testament says. And so there, in Dr. In Covenants section 98, the Lord lays out is,
you know, you know, what is the process of what do you suffer until you suffer? no more? And then, you know, and then you’re justified after that. And then you go to DNC 103,
where the Lord says, okay, those things have been fulfilled. You’re now free to go. And so, but even within that freedom to go, whatever that means, is wisdom in each circumstance.
And so we need to be living in a way that is righteous, right, you know, morality is essential to liberty. We have to be able to live in a way where we can receive the spirit of the Lord to inspire us of which action is necessary and when.
So that way we’re not going where we’re not sent and on one end, right, going going somewhere too far too fast. And then on the other end, we’re not being cowards and not taking a step that needs to be taken under the guise of of turning the other cheek.
And so I think there is wisdom in both sides and I think that there is folly in doing both of them. If you’re doing either one without understanding the principle and without revelation on the circumstance,
if that makes sense. Ben? Yeah. I’d just like to address the issue of having an open mind. mind. Just having an open mind doesn’t mean that you condone evil,
you know? Yeah. Oftentimes being able to understand how and why people are deceived involves using an open mind to see the sophistry and the arguments presented by the side of evil.
Yeah. Yeah, and that’s why I think that we we have to be it’s like when I was a kid and I did something wrong, right? Well, it wasn’t a learning experience.
If my dad just said, you’re bad, and go to your room and didn’t, didn’t try to understand why I made the mistake I did. Right.
No. So that’s why I’m concerned about us just being reactionary to evil without trying to understand whether or not the evil is malicious and comes from forethought or comes from ignorance and somebody being deceived.
That’s why I understand the conspiracy and the as much as we can will help us us to be able to discern that as well. Because yes, you’re right, there are individuals, but what are their positions and how do you get into those positions?
That helps you to distinguish their levels of ways to be able to work through identifying those types of people and which ones know what they’re doing and they’re making you pretend like they just need a little bit more information.
And then there are others that legitimately, if they could just be, treated patiently, that they would come along with you. And so that’s another example where we need the more understanding we have,
and the closer we are to the Spirit, the better we’ll be able to do exactly what we were saying, Alan. I don’t disagree with that at all over these comments. Yeah,
okay. So only two kingdoms, gods and Satan. so which one are we perpetuating? That’s really what it breaks down to on each of those things. Are we perpetuating one or the other and So these are some warnings that that will help us to put things into perspective.
I think in one way this is during the Constitutional Convention in 1789 and we have here George Reed at the talking about emitting bills of credit into the Constitution.
And he said that if those words were not struck out would be as alarming as the mark of the beast in revelations. Okay. And so some people would say that that was alarmist or reactionary that just allowing the government to emit bills of credit,
meaning fiat currency. Then that would be the same or as alarming as if not the same. same as, the mark of the beast. It’s a pretty strong statement to have.
So what is the mark of the beast? I think it’s important for us to look at that. We have one scripture, it’s Revelation 13, that talks about the mark of the beast that is mentioned there in the Convention,
article of the Constitutional Convention. It says, “And he had power to give life,” starting in verse 15, the relevant section, that no man might buy or sell save he that had the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name.
Okay so I want to focus on the underlying principle as opposed to the and it may be that I want to focus on the principle as opposed to the specific issues a lot of times people like to focus on Well,
what does the number mean? What is the mark? And you know, what does it mean to be in your forehead? What does it mean to be in your right hand? People, you know, if I just avoid the chip being implanted in my head or my hand that I’m not partaking of the beast right if if I don’t have if I if the chip as long as the chip doesn’t have the number 6 6 6 on it then then maybe it’s okay,
you know, then I’m not partaking of the beast. And so that’s, I don’t want to get into that kind of, you know, molasses right now. I want to kind of get into the principle,
the underlying principle that we can identify of what it does. And so that’s really what I want to get into right now. So what is the mark of the beast,
okay? Okay, so looking at that, I’m going to go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and those principles, he says that everyone, no matter their position, receives the mark. So it doesn’t matter if you’re rich, doesn’t matter if you’re part of the elites, if you’re a poor, if you’re a free man,
if you’re in bondage, everybody is getting the mark, okay? If you don’t have the mark, you’re not going to be able to buy or sell. And if you refuse,
you refuse the penalty is death. Okay, so then what’s a mark a mark was something to say something.
Yeah, I’m just thinking about the buyer cell thing. Now I’ve always looked at that quite literally. I better let you go I’ve got so my guest has arrived apparently so hold on.
Okay. – Okay, so we’ll go ahead and move on then. So Mark, something that identifies you, right? Is the mark is identifying?
So are there identifiers that we must have today to be able to buy or sell? Can, is there anything that’s required of us if we wanna buy something or if we wanna sell something?
Some people would say no, some people say yes. So why would one of the founding fathers identify fiat currency as alarming as the mark as that identifier? Because we all use it to buy and to sell Yeah,
okay. Yeah, absolutely Well the credit card there’s there’s things like you can’t even rent a hotel room without a credit card You’ve got to have some sort sort of a card.
– Okay. – So. – You have cards, you have currency that you can’t buy or sell without, something without, right? – There were places you had to have the jab to buy and sell. – Right,
yeah, there were people that were requiring that. I don’t know if they still are, but at least at one point there was for sure. Are you aware of any that are still doing that? – No,
they won’t buy. them. They will go back. Okay, but yeah, absolutely So what are some things that we need to buy or sell to buy we need federal reserve notes,
right? That was mentioned So how do we get federal reserve notes? We have to have employment, right? We have to have some way to be able to get an income and we have to have it a bank account to be able to cash a check or and then to get employment,
we have to have an ID and a social security number. Yeah, somebody gonna say something? Yeah, I was gonna say social security number. Oh, got. So to get employment,
right, you need those things, and then you need to file your taxes if you’re an employer, I mean employee, sorry. When numbers fit, be in there too, because that’s the very first thing you get.
Yeah. – Yeah. – What is that? What did you say? – Bersh certificate. – Bersh certificate. – Oh yeah. – Yeah, I mean, absolutely. It’s actually a felony, not a felony, is it a felony?
Yeah, it’s a felony, at least in the state of Utah, to not get a Bersh certificate when you’re born. And yeah, for jobs, it’s one of the things that you can bring with you to prove that you are who you are in addition to your social security number.
– Well, I think that in order to get your certificate, security number. – Yeah, you have to get, yeah, you have to virtually get to your social security number, yeah. So to get a bank account,
what do you need your ID, your social security number? So to be able to buy, are we required essentially, right? To, if you wanna go to,
if you and I have something to exchange, we can get around this, but, But generally speaking, to pay our electricity, to pay our mortgage, to pay our rent, to buy the most of our groceries,
you have to have some form of Federal Reserve note. So to buy the bulk of our things that allow us to live, we have to have these things that the government gives to issues to us,
saying that we are a part of that government. So we’re contracting with them when we use our social security number? Yeah, we’re at least saying that we acknowledge them as the entity that allows us to do the things that we do in our life.
To sell, right? We have to have a business license if we want to have a public business to the world, have a storefront, you know, we have the business license and you have to have a bank account and you have to deal in federal reserve notes.
which gets us out to those other things on the other on the left side. To get a business license, of course, you need an ID. You need to go with social security number and EIN number. Multiple other hoops,
right? Each, each different business has different hoops that you have to join with that you have to go to jump through. But the top three are pretty much universal. And then,
of course, if you have employees, you have to require that they all have. social security numbers and IDs. And so I’m not trying to reveal or state what the mark is specifically,
but if we look at what do we need to buy or sell, we’ve all taken the mark. We’ve all taken things that if we don’t take part of, right, what will happen if we get a job?
Oh, let me go back. So reporting our revenue. and our earnings to the IRS. And so what happens if you don’t? Okay, if you don’t, if you own a business, or you know, if you get a job and you do it under the table,
you can get a fine. If you if you own a business and you don’t follow these rules, you’ll get a fine, right? You’ll be issued a fine. So what if I don’t pay the fine? I’ll go to jail.
Eventually, right? What if I don’t cooperate? in my imprisonment and I try to defend myself with force? The government will do all in its power to imprison you, including killing you if you resist and with defense.
And so that reminds us, right? What is it that as many as that would not worship the image of the beast should be killed? So these are the seals, you know, we can almost think of these as marks on our driver’s licenses.
These are marks on. our licenses, our business licenses. These are seals, these are marks that are on those things that tell us what government is the beast that we’ve submitted ourselves to.
So we know that these things don’t work, these things have been tried, and what it’s doing is giving legitimacy to this system. Very clear. So what does work is and these are just starting points.
Okay. Each of us is going to have to see what’s the most comfortable for us. We are going to have to figure out, you know,
what is our risk potential, you know, our our pain to risk aversion. What is the spirit to us that we start with? You know, where do we go?
Where do we begin? Where is what is the person? What is the Lord telling us that we me personally? Right? Ben is not going out there telling you that you should rip up your driver’s license and your social security card and,
you know, all of those things. I am saying that these look at these put look at these things that seem to fit that criteria. criteria and Then go to the Lord to say how do I implement that? and So right the first thing is what what we’ve been doing publicly is exposing them and That obviously is something that they’re afraid of and so it helps work it works because it helps more people understand the conspiracy that
we face which in turn leads to the loss of legitimacy and among those in power that have been proven to be a part of that conspiracy and So that hopes to that helps to diminish Satan’s kingdom we have to recruit.
That’s another another thing is a part of our exposure is increasing, right? How do we? Get more people to multiply our efforts efforts?
I produce a video and it’s up there on the website, it’s up on one of the video platforms, and then people watch it, and then somebody shares it,
and it spreads out from there. And then we can all do those types of things and help that. So, and if those, we have 18 on the call tonight,
if all 18 of us do that, then somebody else sees it and a portion of those that see it, those 18 see it. And then how we have there are many people connected to those 18 see it.
And then a portion of those share it and it just grows and grows. So the more of us that are recruiting to be able to be people that are building our own understanding and then sharing that understanding with others,
we’ll then be able to do that. that exposure and then separation and non participation in their system of economics that builds our freedom their system of Government their education system pulling our kids out of government schools And of course like I talked about and I think it’s just something we cannot overemphasize.
We should not gloss over But is our morality we have to be a people that can receive receive the blessings and protection and The revelation that it’s going to need to take to have the success in doing these things In in at least a an amount of time That will allow it to bear fruit right as opposed to just being taken out immediately And so there will be points where you know,
it’s there is the the Where we have to look at the why is that? of a principle and then a willingness to, to take action upon those things.
And then of course, as we start down that, there are going to be things that we know are right, but they are not right right now. And so we don’t know how to do it right now,
right? I don’t know how to provide for my family without going to a satanically owned and controlled. controlled supermarket and so as I work to Become self -sufficient right and grow more food and find people that produce things that I can’t produce myself I’ve proven myself that I’m done everything that I can and I don’t know how to do more The Lord will then open up another way that wouldn’t have been opened if I
hadn’t began the path to begin with. We can’t let not being able to do everything stop us from doing something. And I think that’s the key point for what we’ve gone over tonight.
We’ve gone over some pretty heavy things. And so we want to make sure that we don’t get this whole thing. We’re like, oh my goodness, I have to swallow this whole pill at once. It is the it is the doing everything that we know how to do.
do and then that’ll give us a courage to do more Because we’ve gotten used to it and then be the Lord will open up the way For us to do things or show us ways to do things that we thought were impossible before That we wouldn’t have been able to do if we weren’t moral if we weren’t starting down the path of already implementing the things that we knew how to implement and And so,
you know, not just going had you’re not running for than we have strength, but doing the things that we know how to do and that we can do the Lord and then and then being the type of the person that can have the spirit so that they can have the revelation needed to take the next step and know when that step is to be taken and have the courage to take the step because just because we didn’t we weren’t told to
do that thing at first. first doesn’t mean that the Lord will never tell us to do that thing or that he won’t tell us to do it until it’s easy. No, there might be a time that he tells us to do something and it will still be difficult.
We just need to have the courage to say, “Yes, Lord, you will provide for me if I do that thing.” And so, but we won’t know that if we are not moral.
We’re not in a position to have the Spirit tell us those things. Thank you very much. us to go this or to go or to not to go because it’s not ready yet. We have to have those things.
So the bottom line principle as we look at what does work versus what doesn’t work is our actions legitimizing God’s kingdom or Satan’s kingdom. In the long run,
if what we’re doing is legitimizing Satan’s kingdom, it is not going to work. It is not going to be. long -term fruit. And as difficult and as hard as our actions are legitimizing God’s kingdom in the long run,
that is what is going to work. As unpopular, as unknown, as that is not talked about, it is what is going to work long -term.
As what’s proven to work, I’m not just saying this, this is looking at history. This is looking at the founding fathers, the pilgrims, the early saints, the ancient saints, the ancient Christians, and then the ancient saints in ancient Israel.
And on and on and on, this is the only things that have worked. And we have to be willing to do that. And so in more detail, of course, this is where these things are laid out.
These are where the references are that we can study more, look at the documents that are referenced in the books. And of course, they’re in the member portal. If you want the PDFs or encourage you to get the physical copies,
these are the materials that will help us to build the understanding if we will get them and distribute them to others to build their understanding. And so we’ve had good conversation and I am so glad that we’ve had comments back and forth,
but I think it’s it’s good now We’ve got a few minutes left before the finish of the meeting. What are some questions? What are some thoughts? What are some ideas that you’ve had as we’ve gone through tonight’s training? I’d like to get some some comments and some feedback and some thoughts questions Go ahead So first of all,
I’d like to announce that that my guest is here. Terry is, as I told Ben earlier, a member of my stake,
and I’m glad he could be here as a guest today. He has some insights into some of the challenges and conspiracies that are unfolding in the world today,
and I’m glad he was able to be here for this. I know it’s a bit of a a meaty presentation. So, but I want to thank you for that at any rates. – Thank you,
Alan. Thank you, Terry. – Yeah, thank you. But yeah, I think that one thing we have to remember is that is that scripture I just posted.
My yoke is easy and my burden is light. Like when we are in a… a position where we’re faced with doing something we’ve never done before or stuff, if we actually just plain do it,
we often find that it’s a lot easier than we think it is. Absolutely. And we have to be at the point where we can be in touch with the spirit ourselves and I not depend on others to get more and more important.
Absolutely. Vital. Philip, you’re going to say something? Oh, I just had to go pick up my scriptures because I’ve read Revelations a few times and marked it up.
In chapter 14 of Revelation 9 through 11, there is a consequence of it for individuals that take the mark of the beast.
And you’ve got it open. I’d love to have you read it for us. Sure. It’s first nine. And 10, I’ll just read that. And the third, third angel followed them saying with a loud voice,
if any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead or in his hand. The same shall drink the wine of the wrath of God,
which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation, and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Now, that’s no big deal. Yeah, it’s a big deal. I said, so no, it’s no big deal. Who cares, right? Yeah, but if you put if we flip to chapter 15 verse two,
and it says for those for those who resist the beast and the mark, it says verse two, and I saw it, and I saw as it were a sea of glass.
mingled with fire and them that had gotten the victory over the beast and over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name stand on the sea of glass having the harps of God.
So there’s blessings, blessings and cursings depending on our actions. Exactly. pretty serious stuff thank you anybody else love to hear your questions or thoughts Ben you mind going back to the yeah two lists right mm -hmm mind going back to those please Yes.
So the what does and what doesn’t work? Yeah. Okay. Let me go. Let’s see here. No,
I was looking at these two lists and I was thinking of there’s a quote from Joseph Smith and I’ll paraphrase it. and I think we all know this but he pretty much says if if you’re doing the right thing then you can expect opposition yeah um and if you look at these two lists that you have here what doesn’t work like go back to that side if you don’t mind yeah please Ben what doesn’t work none of these cause any
opposition right right? Like if you vote real, I mean, you have like opponents, right? But yeah, no real government opposition. Yes, correct. Right. And if you go to the next list,
the ones that do work, these ones will cause opposition. Yeah. Right. I mean, well, I mean, you know better than anyone in the group,
I believe once you start exposing it. Yeah, they’re gonna, they’re gonna come after you. If you start actually actually forming a group, recruiting, yeah,
you’re going to have some problems. And I think this even relates to, I think it’s in Peter somewhere, he says, you know, you can’t expect, if you’re going to follow Christ,
you can’t expect trials to be some kind of strange thing. We have to expect those. And it goes along with that quote from Joseph Smith. if you’re going to do the right thing,
the right, the real right thing, there will be opposition. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Alan. I’m just thinking though that you have the occasional rare exception though of people to run for office and,
and really do you make a difference. I, I, I would throw out. out and suggest that maybe in the U .S. Ron Paul was an example of somebody that did make an impact within in a roundabout way by his participating,
was he legitimizing Satan’s kingdom? You know, there’s, you know, there’s I think there’s arguments that are made on both sides.
You get to what was passed. Did he pass anything? I would say the answer was no. So did anything happen? Or did it just give more people hope, you know, what they call “hopium” that,
hey, Ron Paul was able to get in and he said a lot of good things. And so, you know, if I just vote harder, then we’ll get more Ron Pauls out there. And so, you know, was he.
he, you know, ignorant in that? Was he there just to kind of perpetuate that idea? I don’t know. And I don’t even want to kind of tend to speculate.
But I think even if there are exceptions that are like with lawsuits, there was a recent lawsuit where somebody was, you know, had a similar circumstance where they were arrested falsely.
falsely and they won a lawsuit. I think that’s the exception to the rule that gives people that hopeium to keep continuing to give legitimacy to Satan’s kingdom and and not focus on the things that will actually the long -term solutions because even if it does work that’s a short -term solution that’s that’s not fixing it that’s a short -term little fix that or help that makes you feel more comfortable.
But it is not a long term solution. I would contest, though, that his very presence in Congress. He acted as a touchstone to what really was true and brought exposure to the conspiracy because of his willingness to educate people on things that they were.
unaware of, like the private Federal Reserve or fiat currency or a lot of these other aspects. – Okay, fair view.
Wayne, you’ve got your hand up, we’ll let you talk and then we’ll finish up and then we’ll have open forums. So go ahead, Wayne. – It’s actually his wife, Jen. – Hey, Jen. – We’re sitting here together.
So I love the scripture that was brought to you. up in revelations and it And I just kind of wanted to make a few points here. So Ben you were originally talking about the mark of the beast and I would just like to,
you know, open this up a little bit, but I look at that as, you know, as all of us have to live in Babylon, right? We all have to provide for our families. We all have to have a shelter and food and something.
way to provide for ourselves and for our families. So yes, we are all a part of Babylon, whether we like it or not. But I think that the scripture that popped out to me when it was read in Revelations tonight was,
it’s not so much the mark of the beast, but the worshiping of the beast. And so that’s what I kind of noticed. And myself, even, you know, like when things were period that the norms and the comforts of life and even just the rhythm of life had been so rudely interrupted,
right? Now, you know, we can go into like, you know, our freedoms were taken away and I wouldn’t disagree with that at all. But what I’m saying is it was a wake -up call to me to realize that I’ve learned to like Babylon and it was good because the Spirit was telling you and it was trying to teach me that,
you know, could you leave your home, could you leave your classroom, could you leave your car, could you leave, you know, your ward, could you, and when you do go to your ward, do you go for me,
you know, meaning the Spirit or our Savior Jesus Christ, or do you go just to see your friends and and like really honestly? It was like well both So but it’s it’s been a good wake -up call for me to to realize that I need to I Need to be ready for the bride room,
right? And I need to be able to pretty much divorce that that balloon in order to do that. – So it’s been a good thing for me to kind of think,
okay, you know, even I like to escape sometimes in shopping, you know, just to waste time or to look at things, to get some variety in my life or whatever,
you know. But, you know, these are the things that we need to ask ourselves. Who do we want to ask ourselves? really worship, you know And it it could be our TVs. It could be our computers or our cell phone.
It could be our jobs. It could be So many different things and they’re all good things, right? Like they’re not necessarily evil but the Lord is saying come unto me and I think that Anyways,
I just wanted to kind of open that up and see if there’s any other thoughts about that that. Appreciate that. Thank you. Denise, got your hand up. Go ahead. I just had a question about the same idea with Ron Paul being out there.
What about the concept of trying to get constitutional sheriffs in every county so that, for instance, is back on the mask mandates?
mandates or the closing down businesses where a constitutional sheriff can come in and say,
no, we’re not following that, you’re safe in this county. Like, what about the concept of that, in the voting realm and whatnot?
So I think there’s several layers, too, to that aspect. of it and I think so yeah the first one is you know is well I guess maybe even backing up for that that the first thing is did any of the sheriffs that went through sheriff max course to become a guy and got certified as a constitutional sheriff did any of them anybody that consider themselves a constitutional sheriff did they arrest any official that enforced
or put out an illegal mandate against the people that closed down businesses? Was there a single sheriff that opened up a business and that and then arrested those criminals in office that put those in there?
The answer is none of them did that. And so none of the ones that call themselves constitutional sheriffs, I would say are constitutional sheriffs just because they didn’t enforce mass mandates,
you know, they came in and they enforced trespassing statutes, you know, and trespassing against people that didn’t wear masks. And so they were there to enforce the people that were enforcing the mandates.
And none of them enforced the Constitution on those that were violating the law. So that’s I think that’s the first thing. And so those that even though they’d run on those positions,
none of them them have acted on those positions. Secondly, elections. I think it’s very clear there have been, you know, documentaries, there have been testimonies given,
there have been demonstrations given that mail -in voting doesn’t work, that the electronic voting doesn’t work, that, you know, private voting doesn’t work, that vote.
And then just, just right, the propaganda says on one hand, mail -in vote is safe Then next to you have an article that says the United States post office says don’t put your bills in public mailboxes So is it safe or is it not not not safe for you?
It’s safe for elections, but not safe for you know your bills and so the elections are a fraud The only people that get elected are the people that are safe or the conspiracy whatever level the conspiracies are at at,
they’re at least safe for the conspiracy, okay? And then you have the levels that we’ve been talking about of, is it perpetuating? Or is it saying that Satan’s kingdom is okay as long as these guys are helping me in this thing that I want to help with?
And so what’s the long -term solution as opposed to maybe a short -term fix? I think we need to, as tempting as… short -term solutions are, it’s the long -term solution of what we’re trying to build,
not the exceptions to the rule. It would be my final statement. We’re over. Let’s continue this into the open forum, but we’ll close the official meeting. We’ll have a closing prayer.
I will ask, who do I want to invite? Linda Stowell, will you be willing to give the closing prayer for us? if you’re able to unmute?
Maybe not. Um, Ramon, would you be I don’t know if you’d be wanting to say the closing prayer force? Maybe not.
Okay. Give you a couple seconds to respond. Linda, you’re unmuted. Are you available? Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. I can do it now that I can speak to you.
Okay? Sure. All right Our dear father in heaven as we come before thee this night. We’re grateful unto thee for those in our lives who are seeking truth and sharing and giving leadership and a forum for discussion.
We ask that they bless us all that we might have thy spirit to be with us, to guide us and direct us, and that we might be able to recognize truth and have the courage to act upon it and the wisdom to know how to best do that.
We’re thankful for Thy sacrifice and we’re thankful for the revelations that Thou has given us, blessed us that we might be able to understand and take it.
comfort and courage from those things. We ask you, bless us this night that we might have thy spirit to be with us. These things we pray for in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
Amen. Thank you, Linda.
