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Yeah, let’s do this. Dear Heavenly Father, we thy sons and daughters come before thee at this sacred hour of the night. On a special day to discuss the matters pertaining to our liberty and our freedoms and the things that we need to learn to preserve those rights and liberties that thou hast granted unto us.
We thank thee for the opportunity. We have to be friends with the others here and to make new friends with those who join in. We thank you for all thy blessings and all that other than we thank you for thy commandments and the opportunity to live in such a great area and such a great country,
to allow us what we have, even though it’s under threat. All the police help us to have the courage to stand for that which is true and to fight for that which is right in our sight.
– I know we might always go ahead. the Holy Nick River. We would pray for that peace and guidance upon Ben and his family and by protection upon them for their righteous efforts and what they’re trying to do to educate us and to teach us the way to fight and win.
Well we pray for that blessings and I will always guide the righteous into that which is true and I’ll have to victory when the day comes. Well we pray that I will. always be done and we ask the court to our faith in the sacred and holy name of Jesus Christ.
Amen. Amen. Thank you Bobby. Carmen for the minutes for the 26th of February. The Tree of Liberty Society minutes for Monday,
February 26, 2024. The opening prayer was offered by Lynn. Ben gave us a reminder about the March 30th meeting coming up,
and he said many updates will be given, especially about the no -knock warrant that the lawyer’s been working on. He encouraged us to, he encouraged the use of the coming script that he’s putting together so that people can give boot camps where each person lives.
Training for that day. Last Monday was that the key principles that keep us from being as effective as possible mentioned about the Supreme Court was blocking Missouri’s rule that prevents Christians from serving on the on a jury that they up the Supreme Court upheld the blocking of Christians serving on a jury.
Yes, that did not come across as I wrote it down. Okay, the Supreme Court was upholding Missouri’s new rule that prevents Christians from serving on jury duty because they are unfit because they believe in the Bible.
They will be labeled as bigots and treated as such by the government. Ben talked about the Alpine School District that they this has to do with reporting on gender diversity of a child and that they will give no report to the parents about the gender identity and all things pertaining to that can be hidden from the parents.
parents because the parents are a safety concern. They are a threat to the child’s safety and the ACLU is protective of the student’s rights to privacy.
Ben said that the government schools are dangerous to children and if this is happening in the neighborhood school district it can happen anywhere. anywhere. He went on to talk about the government officials cannot be held accountable for violating the law.
It’s called qualified immunity. Talked about Weiler and his proposed bill to enforce this. They voted unanimously to advance the bill.
bill and the bill is specifically meant to restrict the access to statements made by public employees,
and that bill was advanced in the House. The, there’s a called hangar reports where a person cannot use discovery to access.
evidence for self -defense. The first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court said the conspiracy is more exposed than people realize.
They don’t understand they are– Not more exposed, larger than people realize. Are larger than people realize and they don’t understand they are facing a conspiracy.
conspiracy. The masses refuse to accept a conspiracy. But they say, Yeah, there is a conspiracy, but my guy’s different.
It is akin to pornography, being an utterly devoid of any redeeming virtue. The masses are being told what to do,
who to vote for. for, who and who to donate to, they need to listen to radio TV. People are looking to.
Just the correction is to make sure it’s, I wasn’t saying that they need to, I was saying that they feel the need to. They feel the need to listen to radio TV and they are looking to someone else to tell them what to do.
what to believe. The Lord has given principles and to act on those principles. Are we acting appropriately? Do we do self -evaluation?
Alan Arthur commented that all government people are wicked. And we need to, he does, I think he said, he’s the one who said that he, he has to to he’s got how to decide not to vote and Carvin said that she didn’t want that on her record that she voted for wickedness the closing prayer was offered by Becky Connelly.
Okay thank you very much I appreciate that anybody have any questions? or comments? Just make sure it’s zoomed in any corrections. I’m ready.
You are ready. Okay. Awesome. We’re just trying to figure out why my camera turned off. Is the battery just dead?
What’s that? Yeah. Yeah. Is it? We’re going to just plug this one in. Sorry, this one, right? Right down the grain.
Yeah, that one. One second. We’ve got some technical difficulties that shouldn’t be there. That’s not the wrong. That’s the wrong side -scored. Grab the phone charger.
charger cord it’s upstairs Cuz it’ll be long enough. Okay, well, we’ll just go without picture for a second while we’re getting the cords, but Tonight is going to be a little bit different than normal where I you know,
I spend several days after the previous training really just praying about it and you know just pondering and thinking about it what are the things that you know that I feel like would benefit us the most and I’ve just honestly this last week I haven’t felt prompted on any specific topic and so I felt that today might be a good day to do kind of an open not an open forum the whole time but you know I mean it’s
an open forum but like um I guess more of a Q &A type of a thing And, oh, that’s, I forgot about that. That’s a problem,
USB, we need a USB. One second. Ben,
you’re not having anybody do the spiritual thought? Oh, I’ve been forgetting about the spiritual thought a lot lately. So, uh, yeah, no spirit. Unless somebody has a spiritual thought they’d like to. Okay,
we’re just giving the camera so no so sorry. Let me just get back to my thought of so we’re just really I’m gonna try this just gonna have it kind of if you have questions about something and,
you know, specifically if there’s something that you think that, you know, I haven’t brought up that might be good for us to cover. And if it’s something that needs more time, I’ll write it down and that’ll be like a future training.
And then I’ve got some things that I want to share that will be what’s it called. You know, kind of conversation. conversation starter,
some things that are are worthy of bringing up, and they elucidate an important point for us to understand. But they don’t. But it’s not long enough to do a complete training on if that makes sense.
And so I’ll so I’ll just start with with a couple of those real quick. And then, you know, as we’re going through, what’s that? Moses?
Okay, no problem. Just, you can use this to charge them. We’ll just have that going. And so we’ll just start with that. And while I’m going through this, if you guys have any thoughts or other things that you want to bring up,
we’ll just we’ll go from there. So the first one is so right now, a lot of the state legislatures across the country are either meeting or…
they’re wrapping up or have just recently wrapped up like in the state of Utah. We just wrapped up our session in the state legislature and we had a record number of bills once again passed that we just couldn’t have done without be just chaos without them.
And I wanted to bring out one in particular, which right here we have a major red flag by who introduced it. But it’s one of these bills that looks on the surface to be something that we would like It’s the Utah constitutional sovereignty act and What the bill and this guy right here?
He hates the idea of nullification. He said so personally he said so in Um, committee hearings things like that And,
but he’s supposedly the sponsor on the house of representatives of a nullification bill on its surface, right? So what this is the highlighted provisions. This is what they’re telling you what it does.
That it establishes a framework for the legislature by concurrent resolution to prohibit the enforcement of a federal directive. So if they pass a concurrent resolution, that means state officers.
officers are prohibited from enforcing that specific federal legislation for federal order.
If the legislature determines the directive violates the principles of sovereignty, describes the ways in which a federal directive violates the principles of state sovereignty, limits the authority of requesting concurrent current resolution of the bill requires a legislative to consult with the attorney general regarding the potential impact,
specifies the required contents of a concurrent resolution, clarifies the effects of a concurrent resolution upon adoption. Excuse me, establishes requirements for the termination of a concurrent resolution and clarifies the effects of legislative inaction on a federal.
federal. And we can’t hear you. And so I just want to go through…
You can hear me now, right? Yeah, now, but last year. Okay. We got it. Okay. So I want to go through some of the language of the bill and see what you guys think.
Like, what are some things that you guys say, “Oh, that’s a good thing,” or maybe, “Hey, look at this. this is something that we should be concerned about. And just kind of see what you guys are thinking as as we read the actual language,
right? Because this is promoted as a great way to maintain state sovereignty, to nullify unconstitutional acts and to make sure that an unconstitutional act isn’t enforced in the state of Utah.
So, though, but we have to start to kind of, you know, that we have to see is, is the actual language go along with what the rhetoric is, right? So it’s not a huge bill there.
And so it’s not going to take up a whole lot of time. Hopefully we won’t have any eyes glaze over reading legalese. But we’ll go clause by clause real quick.
So just the legislative legislature may by concurrent resolution, hopefully you guys on your phones can read this, prohibit a government officer from enforcing or assisting in the enforcement of a federal directive within the state.
If the legislature determines the federal directive violates the principles of state sovereignty in accordance with subsection two. Okay. Any thoughts?
so far? Yeah. Right now. Okay.
So basically it prohibits the government officer from enforcing something from the feds. A federal directive violates, so subsection two, right, so if it violates the principles as found here. a federal directive violates the principles of state sovereignty if the federal directive restricts or infringes upon a power or a right reserved to the state by the 10th amendment to the United States Constitution or the state’s rights
or interest to provide for the health safety and welfare and promote the prosperity of the state’s inhabitants so we can do this if right,
if the federal initiative violates the enumerated powers of the Constitution. So good. So far, so good. Yeah, you know what this reminds me of?
Our Premier here in Canada passed a piece of legislation we call the Sovereignty Act. And it didn’t make any sense to me that they passed such a Sovereignty Act because the things that we wanted to do,
she might have wanted to do were within the scope of the Canadian Constitution anyway and her provincial rights in our confederation and I thought that by creating a state sovereignty act or or in this case it would be a state sovereignty act but we’re creating a provincial sovereignty act she was essentially painting a target on on,
or what do you call it, a straw man legislatively that our Supreme Court could strike down excusing her from being able to execute rights that she already had under the Canadian Constitution and that were being exercised by the problems of Quebec.
Quebec anyway. So I don’t know if that gets to where we might maybe I’m getting ahead of ourselves here, but that’s where I felt things were leading with our counterpart to this piece of legislation.
Right. Isn’t that funny how we just kind of assume you’re like, okay, what’s the catch here, right? What’s so why would they be doing something like that? Oh,
exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And to me, as you’ve already enumerated this, these sections here are just basically restating that Utah has the authority to do this anyway.
Right. Right. That’s the one thing, right? We don’t need a bill to give us the authority to do so. We could just pass a bill to do so. So it’s a lot. Yeah, up front,
it’s basically just with nothing else. It’s just talk. So let’s let’s go on. So how do we get this resolution? It can request for a concurrent resolution may not be filed and less.
So we can’t even think about nullifying federal legislation unless the request is approved by the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President of the Senate.
OK, so you’ve got to you’ve got to take take your your idea for legislation to the hat, the conspiracy controlled head of the House and Senate.
Or let’s say, OK, maybe there’s a loophole. We can get around it. Or while the legislature is convened and conducting business on the floor, identical motions to approve the request are made to each member of the legislature and both motions.
motions are approved by a two -thirds majority of the members present in each chamber. So you have to have a supermajority vote on it or the heads of the House and the Senate.
So this legislation is tying. It’s tying the hands of Utah to be able to pass constitutional legislation in the first place.
That’s amazing. That’s not, I mean, that’s, you know, there’s right up the bat. That’s what they’ve done. But it gets, it gets even, it gets even worse. The legislature shall consult with and consider any recommendations provided by the attorney general concerning the potential impact that a concurrent resolution may have on current or anticipated legislation.
So kind of maybe scare him away from doing it. But that’s not a, that’s not anything huge. Upon the filing of a request. request for a concurrent resolution, the legislature shall provide notice of the resolution,
including the short title and proposed objectives to the representatives of tribal governments listed in subsection nine. So you’ve got to send it to the heads of the Indian governments within the state of Utah.
Doesn’t it just as file it so I don’t I guess you don’t need their permission, which is, you know, whatever But I don’t know why we have to tell the Indians what we’re doing a Concurrent resolution under subsection one Let me just hold on real quick.
I’m gonna pause for just a second Yeah.
Okay. No problem. Okay. I was hoping something worked,
but didn’t. Okay. Okay. Six, the concurrent resolution under subsection one shall identify the federal directive, the legislature has determined violates the principles of state sovereignty, include the information or findings upon which the legislature has made the termination,
specifically the government officers to which the concurrent resolution applies, explain the effect that the concurrent resolution would have on the applicability of the federal directive within the states.
states, within the state, including a description of any — oh, there we go, all righty, we got a camera,
okay. explain the effect the concurrent resolution will have on the applicability of the federal directed within the state, including a description of any activities or forms of assistance in that a government officer specified in subsection 5C is prohibited from conducting in connection with the enforcement and describe any other requirements for a government officer specified in subsection to comply with the concurrent
resolution. resolution so giving orders to the the feds and finding out what kind of impact is going to have concurrent resolution takes effect under adoption and has the force of law.
After taking effect may only be determined by concurrent resolution. The requirement so hat only one way to do it the requirements for filing a request for a concurrent resolution in subsection three apply to concurrent resolution.
resolution described in subsection six the inaction of the legislature in determining that a federal directive violates the principles of state sovereignty by concurrent resolution under this subsection under this section does not apply or create a presumption that the federal directive is lawful under the united states constitution and there’s no effect on the attorney general’s authority to pursue so we can still sue we can
still take it to court um and then it has to be approved so this bill was approved by two -thirds of the state legislature so it was it was passed and it was signed by the governor so do we think that our governor is actually gonna pass a bill that actually does something good so I think you know it’s clear as Alan’s point out some some things that this is a prevent nullification from happening bill this this isn’t
a this isn’t a promote nullification this isn’t to develop a process of nullification this isn’t to ensure no future nullification bill comes through because they have to before it can even be submitted it has to get the approval of both the president of the house that the president the senate and the speaker of the house any thoughts or comments along those lines and anybody want to kind of throw in their two cents?
What it basically says to me, they’re playing the same old card from the same old playbook all along that, you know, on the surface, it looks like,
you know, we’re getting something. But why would they give us anything when they’re the ones that sell it in the first place? Right. It doesn’t make sense for you to give you back your property after you took it from me.
It doesn’t make sense. sense. And that’s what this sounds like. Yep. Well, they’re riding league with the federal government anyway. It’s not like they’d ever do anything in opposition to the federal government.
It’s retarded. Yeah,
it’s similar to like what everybody was complaining about Mitch McConnell being the gatekeeper on everything so now we have It’s just more it’s like what Mitch McConnell would do he was always the gatekeeper what bills would get and The firm as Mike Lee calls Yeah,
and now we’re gonna have the firm utah version with the steward Adams the president of the senate and I can’t remember who the speaker the house guy is but uh, it’ll be the same thing Run everything through those two gatekeepers Yeah it’s a little bit that way already because you have to,
you know, because they’re in charge of assigning the bills to the rules committee and then, you know, working on which committee those go to afterwards. But yeah,
it’s even more so now with this. It’s openly making gatekeepers as opposed to a little more in hiding. hiding Yeah,
well, you know, you’re not getting any equal representation, you know, these two these two guys these guys these two are More equal than others Hey,
you know thoughts thoughts, okay Let’s go this other one. I thought was pretty interesting is is this this PR news wire.
That’s a It’s a place that you just put out, you know different press releases from different places, but It’s you know, what they call most effective states and most effective states according to this are the states that you know put out a lot of legislation.
And it’s a, it’s a link that if you can ignore the propaganda, it gives you some good data of kind of what is going on with,
you know, different states and their legislature and how many bills they’re passing. And, you know, which ones passed the most legislation, which ones passed the least.
It’s interesting how they actually said even California and Utah have the highest percentage of bills introduced that actually become enacted.
We’re right up there with Utah and California. Yeah, and it. it other states like Idaho,
even though it was interesting how they they tried to say this idea of states like Utah, where we we have basically a short session,
right? 45 days. And then California, they virtually are like Congress where they meet all year long. And so even with that, we still have the equal percentage with California but then you have states like Idaho where their Legislature is a little bit longer.
It’s still part -time, but their percentage of bills passed is lower than the percentage of bills passed in Utah and California and it’s also to me.
It’s interesting is that you know some states and the data just kind of goes through there there of the committees are rubber stamps. Like, if a bill goes to a committee,
it’s like almost 100 % it goes to the floor, but once it gets to the floor, then it generally, you know, there’s a much larger disparity between passing and not passing.
More bills don’t pass than, you know, than they would be otherwise. And then, and so there’s a lot of different a lot of different data. So it’s helpful, you can kind of look at where your state is on,
on the gambit, because each state legislature is has a little bit of differences. And you kind of see where, you know, some states are maybe more entrenched with the conspiracy than other states.
And that can help you to identify some things that you can be more effective in. Because the more you understand how the conspiracy has infiltrated your state. of course, the more you can realize which areas you need to tackle and which ones you move on from,
because it’s a rigged game. So that’s a couple of them that I thought would be fun to bring up. Any thoughts on those, or any thoughts on anything else,
any questions you wanna bring up, or thoughts that you guys would like to have tackled on training? – Hey, Ben. – Yeah, I just said, you an email from representative of Matthew Gwynne.
He sent this out, he sends, I don’t know how I got it in his email. I think he’s a rep from Martin, just because I was a Republican delegate, I think I get it. But he would send this thing out every week. So this is the one he sent out for this past week as they were wrapping up the leg player session and just scroll down.
Look at all the bills they passed this week. And it’s like, how the heck? heck could you even read that, understand it, and think, I don’t know if you want to show it on the screen. But it’s towards the bottom of his email.
And I don’t know, we can look at some of the titles of him. And that’s probably– that’s not even all of them, because– Oh, that’s just for one week. Yeah.
That’s one week’s worth of pieces. On the last day of the session, there’s usually the most bills are passed on the last day last couple hours Yeah, and you just read through and look at some of the titles of some of those things It’s just it’s ridiculous of what?
Of what the states involved in and things they need to regulate they there was a bill I I saw on on somewhere about Regulating Utah’s passing an ordinance to the denounce China’s Oregon harvesting program.
Like, how does that affect the state of Utah? It probably failed anyways. Even though it was non -binding, it probably still failed. I don’t understand.
I mean, why waste our time? Yeah, okay. I was going to mention one piece of legislation that was interesting.
interesting. Yeah So it got a lot of hype Trying to remember just exactly what What the bill number was Just second and sorry But the back story to this so it was a bill that was passed by someone that is near and dear to this group’s heart one of the heroes,
and that would be Jeff Steinquist. And I think we all remember Jeff because he seems quite innocuous until you look at his backstory.
And we all remember Greg Hughes and how he managed to bring the UTA under the state of Utah purview and along with that,
bring almost five billion with a B in debt to the state of Utah. One of the ways as Greg Hughes stepped out,
as we all remember, out of seemingly nowhere, this gentleman by the name of Jeff Steinquist, whereas we like to refer to him as Steini or Jeffy,
made his point. way in and so this year he decided to run an interesting piece of legislation which you got a lot of circulation it was HB 303 and the interesting thing is you know if you follow what was said in kind of the general news this was supposedly a bill that was all about banning the LGBTQ presence in our public schools.
until you read the bill, and it actually has not even anything to do with that. And even more interesting is, as I took the time, which I wouldn’t recommend anybody do,
but the bill was debated in committee for almost an hour, and then it was debated on the House floor for a half hour. Of course, they needed to go to lunch, and then they came back and debated it for another half hour.
But during that time, you start to figure out that because this is being run by a very bad person in Jeffy, can we expect good fruit from Representative Stundquist?
And absolutely not, right? So the idea that this guy suddenly wanted to be a champion for freedom and for defending the public.
public against the sodomite invasion. We’re all just pretending, you know what I mean? If we get sucked into that. Because the interesting thing is, as you go through it,
it was online 51, if you have a chance to pull up that bill and I know it’s kind of difficult, but if you go to the general session and get it was– – What was the bill number again, just real quick? – 303,
so 303. And then if you scroll down– to, um, it was line 51 and you’ll love this, right? So this is what really caused so much of the headache for the bill.
Um, and I think ultimately one of the lessons that for all of us that are on the phone call, uh, or that participate in these meetings, uh, words definitely have meaning.
And so if we scroll down and we look at line 51 and we look at line 51 and we look at line 51 and we look at line 51 and we look you know it’s it’s rather telling where it says invite suggest or encourage and the trouble with those words are what are those words even mean today you know and it was very interesting because it was actually the Democrats up at the House of Representatives Representatives that seemed
to have a lot more where with all is they were looking at this, you know, and one of the worst guys up there from Representative from Midvale, I forget his name, he’s been there about 20 years,
but he made the, you know, and he used to be a school teacher in political science at a high school. Anyway, and he was saying, you know, I like to take the Socratic view when I was teaching,
which means I would adopt, you know, opposite of the argument to really challenge the children and see what the children would think and have them defend their position.
And his point, which I thought was a good point, although he’s a terrible human being as well, is he’s like, depending upon the parent and the student, if I’m asking people for critical thinking,
could it be, you know, thought that I am suggesting or inviting or even encouraging a student one way or the other?
So again, from its outset, it was just a horrendous bill, you know, similar to another good friend of ours who with such bravery and grace that needed to step away from the legislative session because of…
you know, just so difficult on himself and his wife, and that was Representative Steve Christian said, right, who chose to try to run a piece of legislation against abortion.
But it was just a horrendous piece of legislation that had absolutely nothing to do with abortion. But again, the news media picked it up. So I apologize for delaying our meeting this evening with all of this,
but I thought it was poignant to at least help us to understand that bad people are simply bad people and to anticipate or expect that maybe just maybe Jeffy was going to be running something noteworthy and it’s just foolhardy on our part.
Now, of course, every now and then these conspirators get together and based on maybe the ability for somebody to get a work. they probably draw straws and say, hey, you know, this time you get to be the freedom guy.
And, you know, we’re gonna make sure that your bill looks amazing. And it’s gonna go nowhere. It’s gonna, you know, do absolutely nothing. And this was,
was really the ploy of one of the greatest conspirators that we ever had leave public office. And unfortunately, I just blanked his name. He was down in kind of your neck of the woods there Ben. Ben and in Lehigh.
What was that Senator? He was the one with the beard. No, no, if he just, Oh, Andrew, Greg. Yeah. Yeah. Jacob, Andrew, right? And Jacob,
Andrew, every single year, the news media would pick up a bill about how amazing it was and how freedom it was. And even unfortunately, I would look at what he was proposing and I’m like,
holy crap, maybe I got this guy wrong. But unfortunately, all that happened is the bill got numbered, never made it out of rules, never made it through committee,
never, never, never. And in the interim, he’s running 25, 30 pieces of legislation that are a utter disaster. But anyways,
for those of us that are still, just can’t help ourselves, which I guess I’m one of those, and you just have to have the legislative session going in the background and you can’t fall asleep till two,
three in the morning so you’re reading these bills like an idiot. Words have meaning and it’s always interesting how these guys sneak a may in where otherwise it could have some teeth behind it and not to belabor this issue further,
but what would have been better? when they were first coming out with that disaster of the inland port? And as they were creating that inland port, that other disaster of a human being,
the big fat guy from Utah County, that’s, you know, high up in the IHC here locally.
What was his name? Anyway, but anyway, so he ran a piece of of legislation. That was crazy. It had over 15 ,000 lines of legislation 15 ,000 right impressive and the interesting thing is the entire Yeah,
and the entire piece of legislation if you read it, it looked like it had some teeth It looked like it was pretty cool until you went all the way back from very beginning of the bill and it all hinged on one word And the one word that that particular bill hinged on was the word may,
M -A -Y, which meant maybe we will, and probably we won’t. In fact, we never will, but it’s in there as a may, and then for 15 ,000 lines,
it was just dancing through a unicorn, rainbow, wonderful fairy tale of magic and bliss. bliss. Which again, never, ever,
never, ever, never happened. All because again, we have conspirators that are running the show and made absolutely certain what words we’re going to bind them down or free them up.
So, anyways, I just thought that was kind of an interesting example of the power of words, but also the power of perception in our news media, both what the news media chooses to allocate and not.
Unfortunately, I was also listening to the floor debate of the previous bill that was brought up briefly about organ harvesting. It was hilarious, right? Because another idiot legislator,
her name is Candace Perucci, who was so brave because she had her four -month -old daughter there with her and was praised for being such a brave, new -aged mom. Wow. Wow. But anyway,
so she’s there, and she’s presenting the bill, and when asked by another amazing human being, um, Ken Ivory, where he just simply asked the bill sponsor,
“How does this relate to Utah? Is this something that is happening in Utah?” To which Representative Perucci had to, like, stumble and bumble and flip pages and then admit.
no this actually has nothing to do with Utah and this really won’t do anything to curtail organ harvesting but we’re sending a strong message and ultimately ladies and gentlemen like that’s our do nothing legislation these days where 80 % of the bills that you see run are quote cleanup bills meaning they make such a mess of things that the next year they they just can’t help themselves,
just come back and dial it up even further. But anyway, we could go on and on, but I probably should stop there. – And the Republicans and Democrats vote 90 plus percent of the time together.
So it’s, you know, it’s a show, like you said, with the media, how they decide to spin it. You brought up May, that’s an important word that’s in bills. And then another bill that,
I mean, another one of them that’s important to look at in bills is the word accept. So accept in every case. You’re not allowed to do this. And so, yeah, they are, they are masters.
They are master wordsmiths. And what was it? Yeah, and what was it? I mean, I think we all love a good Babylon be me these days because I just hit it so well,
but it was it was interesting where the other day. they published a meme that said you know republican plans foiled by republicans. Yep yep another just another weird pattern I pattern I noticed this legislative session my my my stupid rep up here Northog and was the town who sponsored the bill for the $900 million baseball stadium for the Millers.
And then I noticed that a guy from Pleasant Grove was the guy who sponsored the bill for New Jazz Arena, Hockey Arena for downtown Salt Lake and that entertainment district around it.
And so those two guys, you know, very, I know Ryan Wilcox up here in my neck of the woods is very, very safe. I mean, he’s not going to get voted out. He’s popular up here.
So they have him do this because they were not going to have anybody from Salt Lake City or Salt Lake County put that scheme in the skin in the game to risk their political neck on raising the sales tax and all,
you know, restaurant taxes or whatever all the tax are, they’re going to be affected. But I mean, talk about an absolute abomination for those people in Salt Lake City that are going to be affected with those tax increases,
having two guys from outside the area affect them to such dirty politics. I mean, it’s so, it’s just, it’s awful. Yeah. Let alone the whole principle of billions or billionaires.
you know, wanting their toys and have other people play pay for it. This is crazy. There’s a great website that came out with some of the people who were kind of opposed to it. It’s called filled of schemes .com.
Yeah, but a bunch of someone’s put together a bunch of material from all around the country where cities, Jerry Reinsor, who’s the owner of the Chicago White Sox, wants Two billion dollars stadium to be built by them,
but he also owns the Chicago Bulls And you know at the same time Michael, you know, they’ve made billions and billions and billions of dollars and It’s a real interesting website to look at all this all the Cities that are that are being held hostage by these billionaire sports owners because they the fans are invested and so Yeah,
it’s crazy It’s crazy. Yeah. I just posted a chat, a little music video by Reason. They did a video where they were making fun of all these different cities that are wanting to bring sports teams to their towns and how,
you know, they’re a debacle, just financially speaking, you know, first of all, and then they are really important ways that. it’s an important way that is used to change the culture of the state.
So this is definitely trying to move us towards becoming more like California and big cities, just everywhere. And then these are also used to, I mean,
what, so I’ve lived in all over the West Coast, California, Oregon, Washington, you know, Arizona,
Utah, you look, you know, if you’re in Utah, think of the bees, the neighborhood of the bees stadium. You know, you look at, if you’ve been to other states and you think of their sports stadiums, are any of them in good neighborhoods,
they’re, they destroy the, the moral fabric and, you know, the safety of the places that they’re in. You know, candlestick park and just kind of think of just every.
I can’t think of in my experience a single stadium that isn’t in a totally decrepit community and it’s not like they go there and it’s not like they were put in bad neighborhoods.
They were put in areas that were generally okay until things and until the stadium was there and it went into the pot. So,
Ben, what’s the thing where the church is bringing in a hockey league? What was that? Yeah, the church, they weren’t specific on the legislation,
but they spoke, they came out in favor of bringing a hockey team to Utah. I’ll bring up the link for everybody, because that’s probably sounds shocking,
like like of all of the things, right? They stay out of politics unless it’s about a moral issue, things along those lines. And so it’s kind of interesting that they would decide to come out in favor of this.
– Well, Joseph Smith was such a hockey fan. – obvious church weighs in on the Eutahs, NHL, arena plans push to build hockey arena downtown So it’s like city wins support from a key player So this is a key.
So Salt Lake Tribune, you’re right They only get three free articles and some of them are for members only if you go to waybackmachine @archive .org and you type in the You paste the Salt Lake Tribune link you can read it for free.
So you don’t have to pay for the tribunes nonsense but this is is an article talking about the church supporting. So the church does not say it supported the bill,
but you know, we’re in favor of bringing hockey to Utah. The question is, who owns the land where it’s going? That is a good question. Are they revamping the stadium that’s there or are they building new land?
I don’t know if they’ve got a a land spot, do they? Oh, wait. So just gave final approval to bill allowing a solid to create a 10 block re -violation area. – I thought they had that proposed to go out in the same vicinity as the county fairground.
– That’s for the baseball stadium. We’ll be out by the, they call it the power district where the big Utah power plan is. is with smokestacks the the shell arena they were bouncing between the 15 -minute city and at the where the prison used to be or downtown and it’s almost like they were Either knocked down the Delta Center and rebuild it kind of in there then and then Do other developments around it or something
like that? Anyways, that’s it well and just to kind of get back there a little bit there for a little while I had the hardest time grasping what was really being pitched when you know,
these developers would come in and attempt to Get cities on hook for this. I think one of the one of the biggest bait and switch with this or at least Identifiable for what they are doing was the company Facebook when they wanted to come to Utah Utah.
And originally they were going out in an area that I’m familiar with in West Jordan, until the people kind of rose up and voted it down. And then unfortunately, it made its way to Eagle Mountain.
But in the end, these big companies, yeah, in the end, these big companies, they come in and they say, well, you know, we’re going to do this, you know, we’re going to build this big stadium. So why would you want to get taxed for it? And they use the idea that,
well, because we’re going to bring so much revenue right if you’ve got restaurants if you’ve got you know other things going on we’re going to just flood it with revenue and who’s going to build it you know we’re going to bring jobs and we’re going to bring all this infrastructure well I mentioned Facebook because that was an interesting one where they met all of these promises and then the interesting thing about it
was they used vendors from outside of the state of Utah to come in and build it so they employed nobody to build it. All of the servers that they promised were going to be American made came from China.
And here’s the real kicker. How many full -time jobs are employed at the Facebook Center? Which is, I believe, isn’t it close to almost 500 ,000 square feet?
Or it might be even close to a million square feet. It’s huge. It’s basically like seven or ten Walmart’s. The answer to that. is nine Nine new times are employed there.
You know, so again, it’s just it’s just crazy how these Yeah, it’s just crazy the cronyism that exists here and back to what you were saying before It’s just these slimy, you know millionaires that are holding out you know,
their their ability to profit and Doing so at the at the behest of the citizens to front either all of this cash or in the realm of like Facebook,
they basically got their taxes averted for the next 30 years as pasture, which means they’re paying somewhere between like, you know, $15 and $20 an acre, where as the developed parcel,
they should be paying closer to $20 or $25 ,000 per acre. Yeah, but these are just the provisions that, you know, they take government, you know, governments and you know really turn them sideways,
so Anyway, yeah an NHL in Utah. I mean like Utah is not really known for its hockey fans It’s a bizarre and two billion dollars two billion two two billion dollars in taxpayer money I don’t think the Golden Eagles and the bear hockey things went over very good period anyway.
We’ve got a minor league hockey team and a minor league baseball team and I don’t think that they’re like huge sellers. No we go to the Grizzlies every once in a while and there’s you can walk right up and get seats.
That’s being in Dreds of the city. Yeah when I said when I was a kid I played Metro League and they took us to Dirk’s Field Now I don’t even know if Dirk’s Fields even around anymore But that was the Salt Lake Bees back before they left and came back And that was pretty good spot of time I thought,
when I was a kid. But, you know, what the hell does kids know? Sure. And they built the new Smiths ballpark on the same spot where Dierksfield used to be where the B’s play now.
They just tore down the old grandstand and built the new ones. Something I wanted to bring up That’s some good news So if you guys all remember I was talking about so Kate dally.
She’s on a national show She’s on Alex Jones and she’s now has a new American show and she’s just really getting bigger and bigger and getting more and more reach and She reached out to me this week and asked me because she was kicked off of her local show Where she covered,
you know things that were going on in St. George and things that were going on in Utah and She wanted to well when it first happened I reached out to her I said, you know what you should do you should kind of do like a Facebook or YouTube live Just kind of make sure you’re not shut down make sure you’re you’re still getting the voice out at the time She was you know,
she’s well, I mean she’s still crazy busy, but She just wasn’t interested at the time, but she reached out to me this week and she’s Going to be doing this. She’s gonna have a So she’s gonna be doing a regular regular show three to four times a week on things that are local.
And she’s asked me to be a regular co -host /guest several times a week, every week. So that’ll help us to be able to also get the word out about what we’re doing and have a greater reach and impact and influence.
And so we’re just working on the, when are we gonna just kind of be organizing and the finalizing of things. And so that’ll help us to be a regular co -host. that’s something to look forward to. And so if you want to make it to the event that we’re having on March 30th,
I’m pretty sure she’s going, you know, she hasn’t, has that 100 % but we’re working on getting her to be there in addition to the other things that we’re doing at that event in St.
George at the end of the month. So pretty excited about that. So SB 5045,
Bobby, what’s what’s what was concerning to you about that? Well, when I read the bill, there was a provision in there that allows them to basically watch and track your movements.
And they wouldn’t do that. No, they love us. And I was just wondering what your thoughts were about that. were as you read through it, because I saw some– – Well, Dan McKay,
good old buckshot caucus. Dan McKay is the sponsor, so that tells us a lot right there. It’s a little– – Benevolent Dan McKay.
– What’s that? – Say Benevolent. – Benevolent dictator, Dan McKay. Okay, let’s see here, I’m just gonna look at the underline underline sections. Well,
let me go back to the top. Removes the requirement to issue two license plates in most circumstances. I like not having that sound good, right? That’s a bat removes the owner vehicle display license plate on the front of the vehicle.
Okay, that’s why that’s there in the first place is stupid. So they’re like, Oh, aren’t they so nice removes requirement for two registration decals for both the month and the year. and consult. That’s because it’s already,
it’s in the system. They don’t need it. That’s stupid. Require license plate designed, or redesigned, to be approved by the review board. Woo, requires an additional fee. – That’s what they’re doing.
– Well, I mean, yeah, of course, they’re gonna find any reason to increase your taxes. – And the fines. – To use funds in the license plate, restricted account, allows the institution, requires the person to find. where is the (indistinct) – Wait,
question. Have a license plate on the front of your car? – It is, in the state of Utah it is code that says that you have to have a license plate in the front of your car.
– Oh. – I know big minds for not having a plate too. – That’s, from my observation, it’s probably about half of the people who have been on the front of their car. Certain designs.
Superhippus license plate cover from obscuring the license plate number. Well, I was tax enforcement use license plate reading technology right here. Here’s the problem. Come on.
That one got me too. And then they’re going to censor what you could have on your plate,
which is becoming nationwide. Who gets to determine what’s legit and what’s not, if it’s offensive to the government or is it offensive to the people around me?
Who gets to decide? And then those excessive fines, some of those fines are ridiculous that they outline in this thing. Yeah. did it actually before I even worry about it Is it did it pass?
I bet you it did Yeah, I did hurry. Did I notice it that there’s a license paid a plate fee of a dollar in Utah That’s not like your registration.
No, okay. So how much do you charge for license plate fees? Just out of curiosity here? $65 dollars currently. Isn’t it depending on the make and model year of the vehicle?
Yeah. Yeah, it does. For the vehicle the more expensive. So I know some people that pay multiple hundreds of dollars for their vehicle registration. That’s weird because it’s not insurance.
So why would it be conditional upon what make and model of vehicle you have whether it’s licensed? Right, right. Regist, it’s basically like a sales tax. You have to pay on it every year.
OK. Yes. Some states like Missouri, it’s ridiculous and several thousand dollars to renew your plate. Yeah. California is pretty bad,
too. And look at all the lines in this bill. Yeah. Well, the underlying ones are the new stuff, so it just kind of. of every this stuff’s already current code This is deleting and this is new Sorry,
I’m a novice when it comes to us laws, but isn’t there’s something about when the public service provides a Service to the public they can’t charge more than the cost of providing the service to the public I – I’ve not heard that as a part of our code and I’m not aware of that.
– Okay, maybe it’s another state or something anyway, it has that. – So. – Yeah, that’s why I was curious about your thoughts about that one, because that one– – I haven’t even come across that one.
So, you know, 1 ,200 bills introduced, I remember correctly. – Yeah, it’s overwhelmingly how much stuff is in there and these bills– bills that nobody come up to.
– Yep, well, our time’s up. I hope you found it interesting, useful, helpful to have this kind of open forum, some loose things brought up, some good news about my interaction with Kate Daly and what that’s gonna be looking at moving forward.
And if anybody desires to, we can still hang out for a little while. We’ll have some open forum. We’ll have some open forum. like we always do if anybody wants to bring up anything But we’ll go ahead and close with a prayer now and I’ll ask Becky.
Would you say the closing prayer for us? Our dear Father in Heaven,
we are grateful for this day, for the time that we’ve had to meet together and to have a discussion. We ask that you please help us and bless us to be vigilant to help teach others of the evils going on around us that we may combine our efforts to help stop these secret combinations.
that we have allowed to get above us. We ask that you please guide us and direct us in the things that we should do. We are grateful for all of the blessings that the doubt does give us.
And ask that you please bless us in our efforts. We pray for these things in the name of Jesus Christ, amen. – Amen. – Also remind everybody that this Wednesday night at seven o ‘clock,
is our final book club with the memoirs illustrating the history of Jacobinism. So would love to have you guys join the conversation Wednesday night,
7 p .m. Mountain Time.
