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Our father in heaven were thankful for the opportunity we have to meet tonight We prayed for life spirit to be with us to help us and not only understanding what’s being said,
but how to implement it into our lives. We’re thankful for all the blessings that they’ve given us and having truths of the gospel and the great constitution and Bill of Rights that they’ve all given us.
We ask thee to help us in understanding them better so we can share them with the people and convince them of the beauty of this constitution in this country.
We thank you for the blessings that I was given this week. We ask for these blessings. In the name of the Son, Jesus Christ, amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Carmen, would you give us the minutes for last week?
Yes. June 24. Thank you. Three of Liberty Society Minutes for Monday, June 24,
2024. The opening prayer was offered by Alan Arthur. And Ben commented that election day would be the next day. And Ben answered Elier’s question that the offices up for election were the state and local.
Ben filled us in on that the week previous, he had a good response to a private group where they ordered 30 copies of the invasion book.
Let me see. He said about long time supporters can access new sections through the website and commented that Pam Lynch was doing the editing.
Then Ben asked her what has she learned mostly from being involved like that. She said that we’re not told the truth and that there are lies globally.
Then commented that in the 1870s that the United States, its name, the name of Our country,
United States, was not capitalized, the U and the S. The S is capitalized, the U is not. Oh,
okay. Okay. Becky said that she was learning who God be really was, and understand why he did what he did to bring him young.
Ben. Then began the training and it’s don’t fall for these logical fallacies and Logical fallacy being a flaw in reasoning meant to fool people like Watching TV increases your life It makes a longer life.
Talked about Comedy Central, and they promoted that if you don’t support the war, you want bad things to happen. Strawman– OK.
Strawman wants to pin you down to manipulate the situation. They appealed to the emotion, And he commented about the Coke commercial that he showed. Mentioned about Hillary and Bernie Sanders and Goldwater videos showing emotion and fear.
Scriptures caution us about being ever -learning and not coming to a knowledge of truth. In all this time,
Satan developed skills to combat correct scriptures. President Nelson appealed to prayer and scripture about vaccine being a godsend.
I showed a video which many well -known actors were told to “Say,
don’t vote to use reverse psychology.” He talked about a word called ad hominem, and that attacks a person’s character,
and that way, then they don’t have to address the points that they are making. Ben said, “Look at the data. Make your judgments for yourself.” He listed several scriptures among them Matthew 21 and John 8.
Eleor made a comment that when you’re engaged in ad hominem, it doesn’t always address issues. Jesus always addressed the issues at hand.
Alan Arthur commented that the difference with the Savior was that he spoke so much truth and people know it. Micah commented that there was nothing to do that doesn’t meet with logic.
Ben said, “There’s no reason to engage and sick to say that there’s Satanism and no truth is coming out of their mouths.” Samantha commented that it’s not always wrong to appeal to authority.
Christ is the ultimate authority. Truth emanates from Heavenly Father. It’s hard to argue with scriptures. It removes emotion. It’s not And Ben commented that this was,
oh, Alan talked about not trust, to go to, don’t trust them to not fill in the ballot. And Ben said that that was the best argument why he won’t vote.
Closing prayer was offered by Pam >> Wonderful. Thank you. Does anybody have any questions? Corrections? Okay.
Those are our minutes for last week’s meeting. If you missed last week’s meeting, I encourage you to go into the member portal and watch it in full. >> I’m ready. >> Okay. Today,
one of the things I wanted to bring out was, is an email I sent out. Just wanted to make sure everybody got the email and that you know about it and you mark your calendars is on August 3rd.
So just about a month away, we have our annual member social. It’ll be here in Utah. So those of you out of state, I’d love it if you could make it out, but I understand if you can’t.
And we’d love to get more members in your area so we can have one out wherever you’re at. But we’re doing a barbecue. And it’s just there to have fun and be able to get to know each other and be able to build camaraderie,
have that society portion of the Tree of Liberty Society and have us to really build relationships with each other. The address and a link to the map to be able to go there is there.
And so it’ll be a good time at everybody that came last time. I think had a lot of fun. I know my kids had a blast playing with your guys with the kids that other people’s families, kids that came.
And so just a good opportunity. Any questions or anything on that? I didn’t hear the last time I was there. That’s the same part we were at before, wasn’t it?
Correct. Same place. Yep. We want to make it easy for you. I know exactly where that’s at. It was a good time. Yeah. If I’m not in the hospital, having my back opened up like Being played like a fish. I’ll be there.
Okay. I’ll accept that as a good excuse Yeah, I’m not happy about it, but I don’t really have too many choices right now either So I’ll be there one way or the other even spirited physically.
The time is about again, like six, so it’ll be at 6 p .m. And so yeah, please just RSVP, though, it as soon as you know, and we’ll get assignments out ASAP as well.
Alrighty. This coming, what is this Friday? Yeah, it’s no Thursday. So on Thursday is Independence Day.
So I thought this would be a good week to have training that covers aspects of American independence, what led up to it,
and some of the principles, because a lot of the principles aren’t brought out. So I want to bring out some things that aren’t typically brought out of what led to the colonists declaring independence from England,
as You know, understanding those principles helps us to understand why they matter today. It was mentioned previous to the meeting starting that people bring up the idea of,
you know, history doesn’t matter. And so understanding why something, you know, if this was something that growing up history, I didn’t understand why history mattered because I didn’t understand the whys.
You know, I bring up the example a lot of pioneers and you know you hear the story growing I grew up in northern California and so the Donner party was one of the pioneers that we learned about in California history and you hear different things about how they were you know walking in the desert and their feet didn’t have shoes and it was hot and so they would they were walking down in the desert and they started
to smell meat cooking and then then they were wondering who was cooking meat ’cause they were starving. And all of a sudden they realized it was their feet cooking on the desert floor. And then you hear about them being cannibals.
And you’re just like, why? Why would you go through all of this trouble just to come to California? And so that spilled over into pioneer history,
not really understanding the whys. And so to me, the whys are far more important than dates and names. Dates and names help you put pieces together, but the why helps to make the history interesting and understanding the why they did something in the past helps us understand why it matters today.
How do we apply it today? What are things that we can learn for today? Even if maybe there’s not a direct correlation, but there might be a principle that we can say, Oh, okay, this is how it applies to us.
And so I wanted to bring up some of those things because when we learn about independence, you know, the thing that almost everybody focuses on is taxes. They’re like, you know, they they taxation without representation,
but that was such a really a minor issue. In fact, by the time the Declaration of Independence was signed, that whole taxation, the Stamp impact wasn’t even an issue anymore.
And so that’s really just a distraction of what were the real reasons behind it. And so I’ve talked about some of the reasons behind it in the past, but I’m going to bring up some things that are,
you know, that we’ve never brought up in training before, as well as things that I think that really aren’t talked about very much at all period. And then in getting into other declarations of independence from others in addition to the 13 colonies.
And so in fact, there is going to be a lot of reading that I’m going to be getting into. And so don’t take the reading as an excuse to,
I don’t know what’s the word I’m thinking of. Hopefully it’s still engaging, but don’t use it as a reason not to ask questions. If you have comments, a question, Please chime in put them in the in the in the chat there on the side or or just chime in verbally Just unmute and make sure you’re unmuted and Insert your comment or question any time So I’m gonna get just with that preface We’re gonna go ahead and get
started with that So one of the things that,
you know, that it’s really interesting when you read the writings of individuals leading up to the Declaration of Independence is how it’s amazing.
Like you think that they’re we’re from today that these they weren’t talking about England that they were talking about America America in 2024. And so it’s pretty mind blowing,
I think. So we have this guy’s Charles Pratt, he’s the first Earl of Camden. He’s an English diplom, you know, official. And he says, says Lord Chancellor Camden declared that for some time,
he had be held with silent Ignatian, the arbitrary measures which were pursuing by the ministry, that however he would do so no longer, but would openly and boldly speak his sentiments.
In a word, he accused the ministry of having formed a conspiracy against the liberties of their country. So that was in 1770 that you had people in parliament itself claiming that the government,
the English government was part of a conspiracy against the people. That’s exactly what we’re talking about. We document that there is a conspiracy by those in power against the liberties of the people.
That same thing that was happening then is happening today. You have in 1770, a Boston meeting of assembly representatives reporting that a series of occurrences, many recent events afford great reason that a deep -laid and desperate plan of imperial despotism has been laid and partly executed for the extinction of all civil liberty.
So it’s a deep laid plan. It’s a conspiracy. It’s another word for conspiracy to extinguish the liberty of the people. They knew that that was the plan.
Even though of course England wasn’t saying that was the plan, that’s exactly what was going on in the people’s solid. And so there were other aspects of it that I really didn’t really fully grasp for a long time was how the government was using religion and churches to implement their program because that they know that religion is a powerful tool to get people to go along with things.
And so it’s recorded that Anglican leaders in New York and New Jersey had met almost publicly to petition England for an American Episcopate, and there could be little doubt also of the role of the society for the propagation of the gospel in this undercover operation.
So you had leaders in America trying to get England to set up Episcopalian churches as an undercover operation. What could that ever undercover operation be?
Or if the obstin, ostensible goal of the society was the gospelizing of the pagan Indian Indians and Negroes, it’s its true goal was manifestly revealed when it established missions in places like Cambridge,
Cambridge, Massachusetts, which had not had a resident Indian since the 17th century and was well equipped with orthodox preachers. So they’re saying that their public excuse.
The reason that they gave out outwardly was to send the gospel to the pagans, the Indians, and the Negroes when these individuals were not there,
and there were already lots of church leaders in the city. There’s no, their their reasoning made no sense. Says such missions may, he wrote, have all the appearance of entering wedges carrying on the crusade of spiritual siege of our churches with the hope that they will one day submit to an episcopal sovereign.
Bishops, he wrote unbleakingly in a reply to the Archbishop of Canterbury, have commonly been instruments in arbitrary reigns of establishing a tyranny over the bodies and souls of men,
and their establishment in America would mark the end of liberty in in Massachusetts and elsewhere. So I wanna get your thoughts on this, how they could see this plan where they were bringing in religious leaders and they thought that,
and these guys were not anti -religious. These guys were very religious, but they felt that bringing in these Episcopalian churches into Massachusetts was a step towards not just having a new religion in town,
but a establishing tyranny over the bodies of men, not just their souls. So what do you guys think? Why would they say that bringing in these archbishops,
or these Anglican bishops, how would that be a path towards establishing tyranny? Any thoughts, comments? I have one.
So this sounds a lot like what happened here in Utah when Brigham and the Saints come out. They’re all out here by themselves, and then you get inundated by these other religions. And why?
Because they pull the kids away from the parents to teach them different from what their culture. So the start of the education process of changing the culture.
– Yeah, absolutely. It’s kind of interesting, right? ‘Cause remember from those quotes of the protest or the Presbyterians said that their schools were the entering wedge. And that’s what they’re saying here with this one.
It’s an entering wedge. They use the same terms. Anybody else, any other thoughts, comments? – If It almost sounds like the evil one attacking the Puritans,
Massachusetts, and then attacking the Mormons with the Edmund Tucker Act and the straw, the, what was the other one’s struggle?
Columns. It’s not religion that they’re arguing with Yeah, it’s it’s religious people They want to dilute it as much as they can.
Yeah, the the attacks here in Utah That’s why the church isn’t being molested right now is the church is probably in worse shape than in this in the sexual Oh Go ahead Alan,
sorry. Oh with the sexual perversion someone a couple of weeks ago mentioned the Nelson’s were tied in with with The guy that was arrested Hamlin Hamlin yeah,
that that just That’s left me with a sick feeling. I just can’t get over. Yeah, it seems like they’ve already done it to us I have a thought and it’s slightly slightly related to What Becky and Alan have said but when Marxist realized they couldn’t Get the working class the What are they?
What are they called the plebs of Marxism. The proletariat? Yeah, the proletariat. When they couldn’t incite, when they couldn’t pit the proletariat against a bourgeoisie, they,
that’s when cultural Marxism came into being. And one of their biggest tools with infiltrating churches. So, because the church has a lot of influence, you know, over the minds of the people.
Yeah. So yeah, I think that’s an obvious one. We’ll call it cultural monarchism or something like that. The old saying of preachers don’t become communists, but communists become preachers.
100%. Yeah, I was going along the same lines. This is Samantha. Yeah, preachers have huge followings today.
And back in the day, I’m reading the autobiography of Parley Pete crowd right now. And he’s relating the persecutions of the saints in the extermination order and how there’s these reverends that are head,
the word he uses as bandit, but it basically means Gideon robbers and conspirators. And these reverends were the heads of these militia that were basically,
you know, they’re Gadiant robbers with paid, you know, by the government to go out and exterminate the threats to, you know,
their state. And obviously it’s religious, but it’s also about liberty, right? And people that are promoting true liberty and they’re in the rites of the people,
and ultimately the kingdom of God, right? So Satan doesn’t want the kingdom of God to be formed and prosper. So yeah,
so these reverends, there’s a lot of jealousy and a desire to tear down anything that promotes the kingdom of God and the spread of Yeah,
kind of kind of just the thought that popped in my head. Yeah, definitely. And they have and they have huge followings, right? So, so we’re trained to trust people and authority.
And obviously, today it’s even worse. I don’t know it’s worse. It’s always been bad that people just blindly follow those that are, you know, goes back to the logical fallacies,
right? Experts trust experts experts and how that’s used, weaponized against us and to not value your own agency and the mind that God gave you and what is right and wrong,
and go with the mass, the bandwagon, right, with the mass of the people do. So these, the Gadions are really smart. They know what works and they know that infiltrating churches and using the numbers and poll and way that they have of these fake religious leaders that that pretend to be righteous and pious and they’re really they’re just wolves and sheep’s clothing.
A lot a lot of people they use organized religion to say that all the evil stuff happens.
My my kids I said, “Well, yeah, that’s true.” This is the Ku Klux Klan started by Southern Baptists. I said,
“Most of the stuff that happened to the people after Christ’s death was all by Constantine, I’m not gonna call it the Catholic Church ’cause I don’t think he was a, he might have started the darn thing,
but I don’t, I heard once that he wore white clothes with instructions to the people next to him that if it looked like he was going to die,
they were to baptize him so he could go to heaven. These kind of stories and it is the religious they just in their own minds do most of the tyrannical things to the people but they can’t do it without the government without you know like of course it was the Jews that were responsible for the crucifixion of Christ but they couldn’t have done it without the help of Rome and so it’s it’s those inner mixture of the
two together that is so important in implementing tyranny. And so, John Adams, go ahead, sorry. Sorry, I think you gave a perfect example of that in last week’s training when you showed that clip of Bednar and what he said during the pandemic too.
No, you’ll get ahead of me. I’m gonna show it again. Oh, okay, go ahead. I’m gonna say one little more thing before you go. When I was on my mission out in North Texas,
we went into Abilene, and they were talking about all the trouble the Church of Christ had with Baptists. And when I went in,
I said, “Well, I don’t see much trouble there.” They have what they call batches, where two ministers get up and discuss parts of the gospel. And I said,
“I don’t see many,” And he says, well, the only time they stopped fighting with each other is when the Mormons show up and then they team up on the Mormons. It wasn’t funny,
because that’s what happened. Yeah. So this aspect of the government colluding with with the churches was something that was very much a concern To the early colonists and John Adams,
he wrote an essay, or he says throughout history, countless unjust systems have been devised by the powerful to satisfy this craving for dominion.
None have been more successful in achieving this goal than the creation and establishment of the canon law and feudal law, so mixing scripture with government, and the canon law read devised by the Roman Catholic clergy stands out as the most sophisticated grandiose far -reaching and astonishing political system ever conceived by humanity designed solely to elevate their own status.
They are justified when considering that they managed to convince people to faithfully believe that God had entrusted them with the keys to heaven, giving them authority to open and close its gates at will.
They claim power to dispense with all moral rules and obligations, sanction all types of sin and crimes, depose rulers, absolve subjects from allegiance, control natural phenomena like rain and sunlight,
and even perform the unexplicable miracle of transforming bread and wine into the literal flesh and blood of God self. They propagated these beliefs by deliberately keeping people in a state of profound ignorance and fear instilling a religious dread of education and knowledge.
And so it’s interesting how we we see this as being manipulated today. A lot of the conspiracy uses the same argument to just diminish religion in general.
But we know that John Adams was not anti -religion, he was recognizing the fact that the conspiracy uses religion to keep people ignorant in examples of how they killed people for printing the Bible,
translated in English. And so when they were, because then the people would be able to know that what the scripture said, the King James version of the Bible, for example,
has deleted all of the references to the word tyrant. And so that way, if you read the King James version, that was never going to be a threat to him,
because he knew it was kind of like this Pandora’s box had already opened. And so he’s like, okay, now we can use it to make sure that nobody uses the scriptures to overthrow me as the tyrant of the hand.
And so we see this being implemented throughout time. And as he says, “Thus for centuries, humanity was cruelly and shamelessly enslaved by them and their lesser tyrants,
fulfilling the prophecy that one would rise above all that is called God or worshiped.” And so as Becky alluded to, I’m going to play this clip of this happening in modern times.
“Religion can be a powerful font of legitimacy and practical assistance in a time of crisis. Misinformation is a major obstacle in a health crisis.
Faith communities can debunk rumors, calm fears, and facilitate accurate information. – So they can be the ones that are promoting it because churches are influential in communities.
Micah? – Correct me if I’m wrong, Ben, but I think it’s, oh, sorry, correct me if I’m wrong, but I think if I recall, this was set at the G20 summit,
which is in 2020, right, during the fake pandemic. And what I think is really important about that is because the G20 summit was basically a uniting of different faiths in this big convention.
And from my observations of it, it’s not really geared towards the members of those faiths. It’s really geared towards the leadership communities of those faiths.
And I think that’s just very important to note who he’s talking to. He’s not talking to you and me, you know, who he’s talking to. Yeah. That’s an important distinction.
Yeah. This is where you get those 20 summits is where you get them talking amongst themselves, what they’re really meaning as opposed to when they talk to the masses.
And so we have the Declaration of Independence. And, you know, these are the things that led up to it outside of the things that we talk about. And, you know, the other things that are more commonly known, I mean,
is the fear of the religious influence because the Anglican Church is the American version of the Church of England. They are the official church of the government of England and so they were really worried about it infiltrating the community and bringing in that tyranny.
And so this leads us to the Declaration of Independence and some key things in the Declaration. They state that in every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress. So we wrote letters to the king.
We wrote letters to parliament and hoping that they would do the right thing. In our most humble terms, we wrote nice letters. We weren’t mean to them. Our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injuries.
So we wrote these nice letters to you, pleading for you to do the right thing. And what did you do? You gave us more tyranny. A prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
So that’s exactly what we see today. There are people, you know, they’re writing their sternly written letters to these satanists in legislative bodies and what is returned to them is,
you know, a stone for a request for bread. Nor have we been wanting an attention to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us.
We have reminded them of the circumstances of our immigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by these ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence.
They too have been deft to the voice of justice and can and constant constant, you know, constant, you need unity.
I’m sorry, I probably butchered that. But same. Well, I haven’t seen that word because I’ve read this document, but I don’t remember it in that. So we must therefore acquiesce in the necessity which denounces our separation and hold them as we hold the rest of mankind,
enemies and war in peace, friends. And so, Yeah, go ahead. Consanguinity, and it has a reference to blood because S -A -N -G -U -I -N refers to blood.
Okay, thank you. So they’re like, we’ve tried everything we can do to get you guys to be reasonable and you just meet us with more,
you know, more offenses. But there are other declarations of independence, so we got this, and we declared independence from England, and they eventually,
and I’m going to get into some of that history because it’s relevant to something I’m going to be covering later. But the 13 colonies became 13 independent nations.
And so, After that we have in the 1840s the formation of the kingdom of God, the restoration of the kingdom of God, and you had the Council of 50 moving to declare themselves an independent nation.
And in their constitution or their Declaration of Independence, they state similarly things to the Constitution of the United States that they sought In vain,
they’re all the nations of the earth to find a government that was instituted by heaven, that it would be a place, a asylum for the oppressed. So a place where the oppressed could seek peace and justice,
a protector of the innocent and a shield for the defenseless, an impenetrable ages for the honorable of all nations, uncorrupted by the usurpations of designing men, so the conspiracy again,
the contaminating influence of the love of gold and the lawless intrigues of aspiring demagogues. So as they were declaring independence, they were explaining that they couldn’t find these things.
They were looking for the same things that the founding fathers were and couldn’t. And so they had to separate themselves. And so in 1857, as we left the United States and we formed a new nation that was then invaded by this outside force that had apostatized from ties from the Constitution,
the United States of 1787 was dead and that it was now it was an empire seeking to oppress others.
And so when we came out here, they invaded and they took it over as their own. But the people of Utah again declared independence. And Brigham Young said, “Henceforth, Utah is a separate and independent territory and owes no obedience or allegiance to any form or laws,
but those of their own enactment. So there were these, this foreign body, this foreign force that, just like England was a foreign body to the colonies, they were seeking to make Utah or desert into a colony of this new federal monstrosity,
and they were working to separate themselves and saying, “We are no longer subject to you and your laws, we are self governing and we are only subject to our own laws. They weren’t lawless.
They just said we are going to be accountable to ourselves for the principles of independence that we’ve talked about before. And so we get to the later on after Utah declares independence.
We go back to the eastern United States and the southern states declare independence from the Union. We have here in Georgia their declaration of independence,
the people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the government of the United States of America presented to their Confederates and the world the causes which have led them to the separation.
They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property.
And by the use of their power and the federal government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common territories of the republic. So the Latter -day Saints had experienced this problem,
and now the people of the southern states are saying, yeah, we’ve suffered this for too long, we’re not going to put up with it anymore. You guys are tyrants and you’re violating the Constitution. This hostile policy of our Confederates has been pursued with every circumstance of aggravation,
which could arouse the passions and excite the hatred of our people. So explaining how they actually, they weren’t just tyrannizing the people, that they were working to stir people up against them unnecessarily and inaccurately,
the material prosperity of the north was greatly dependent on the federal government, that of the south, not at all. So then they start to lay out how the northern states had set up the government to benefit the north and the business interests of the north,
while the southern states remained independent and they didn’t need the government to be able to function and to be able to prosper. This continues,
it says in the first years of the Republic, the navigating commercial and manufacturing interest of the North began to seek profit and aggrandizement at the expense of the agricultural interests.
Even the owners of fishing smacks sought to and obtained bounties for pursuing their own business, which yet continue and $500 ,000 has now paid them annually out of the Treasury.
So basically you times that by 30 is what’s going and if you would were to do that in today’s dollars, the Navi, the Navi, well,
if you’re just going by the value of silver, but it might be different things are different. The navigating interest beg for protection against foreign shipbuilders and against competition in the coasting trade.
Congress granted both. upon the public.
Now, does this not just smack of what’s going on today of these big businesses, these corporations that are part of the international conspiracy, the international conspiracy,
are using the government purse to support their business? You have grants, you know, you have all of these different means that the government sends these welfare checks of billions of dollars to businesses that are buddies of the conspiracy or part of the conspiracy.
And so that same thing was going on then as it is today. Then we have South Carolina and their Declaration of Independence in 1852 declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States by the federal government and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the states Fully justified this state and then withdrawing from the federal union So they were they’re like you guys are violating the
compact with this Basically, it’s null and void because you’re not even obeying it. So let’s just stop pretending and we’re gonna leave we’re separating We’re we’re declaring independence like our forefathers did from England in In pursuance of this decade,
excuse me this declaration of independence, each of the 13 states proceeded to exercise its separate sovereignty. So in this declaration, they’re actually teaching a history lesson.
Really, I find this just really interesting. Adopted for itself a constitution and appointed officers for the administration of government in all its departments, legislative,
executive and judicial, for purposes of defense, they United their arms and their councils. And in 1778 they entered into a league known as the Articles of Confederation,
whereby they agreed to entrust the administration of their external relations to a common agent known as the Congress of the United States, expressly declaring in the first article “that each state retains its sovereignty,
freedom, and independence, And every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this confederation, expressly delegated to the United States in Congress,
assembled. So there was no giving up, they were still independent nations. Under this confederation, the War of the Revolution was carried on, and on the 3rd of September 1783,
the contest ended. And a definite treaty was signed by Great Britain in which she acknowledged the independence of the colonies in the following terms. Article one,
his Britannic Magistry acknowledges the said United States and then lists them to be free, sovereign and independent states. So the bold,
the capitalization that’s in the Declaration of Independence of South Carolina, that he treats with them as as such and for himself his heirs and successors relinquishes all claims to the government property and territorial rights of the same and every part thereof.
So there was no United States as we are raised to believe it to be one nation today as the socialist communist satanic Pledge of Allegiance states one nation.
We were they were 13 separate individual free sovereign independent states Thus were established the two great principles asserted by the colonies namely the right of a state to govern itself and the right of a people to Abolish a government when it becomes destructive of the ends for which it was instituted and Concurrent with the establishment of these principles was the fact that each colony became and was recognized by
the mother country a free sovereign and independent state. In 1787 deputies were appointed by the states to revise the Articles of Confederation and on 17 September 1787 these deputies recommended for the adoption of the states the Articles of Union known as the Constitution of the United States.
The parties to whom this constitution was submitted were the several sovereign states They were to agree or disagree and when nine of them agreed the compact was to take effect Among those concurring so it wasn’t like nine of us voted now.
We’re all on board No, it was just applying to those that signed on to it and the general government was the common agent was then invested with their authority.
If only nine of the thirteen states had concurred the other four would have remained as they then were separate sovereign states independent of any of the provisions of the Constitution.
In fact two of the states did not accede to the Constitution until long after it had gone into operation among the other eleven and during that interval They each exercised the functions of an independent nation.
By this constitution, certain duties were imposed upon the several states and the exercise of certain of certain of their powers was restrained, which necessarily implied their continued existence as sovereign states.
So just because they entered into this union under the constitution did not erase their sovereignty as independent nations. But to remove all doubt an amendment was added,
which declared that the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, no prohibited by it to the states are reserved to the states, respectively, or to the people.
So the 10th Amendment isn’t just a reminder of the fact that the Constitution is simply a delegation of powers. It’s a reminder. It’s a statement of the maintaining of sovereignty and independence as a sovereign nation of each of the individual states that signed on to it.
We hold that the government thus established is subject to the two great principles asserted in the Declaration of Independence, and we hold further that the mode of this formation subjects it to a third fundamental principle,
namely the law of compact. We maintain that in every compact between two or more parties, the obligation is mutual, that the failure of one of the contracting parties to perform a material part of the agreement entirely releases the obligation of the other,
and that where no arbiter is provided, each party is remitted to his own judgment to determine the fact of failure with all its consequences. So it’s right.
It’s this compact agreement. And if somebody violates it, the compact no longer exists. And so what they’re stating is that, of course, the federal government under the direction of the northern states had violated the compact.
And so the compact was no longer void. And so they were just exercising their right to no longer be playing pretend that the compact still existed,
which it doesn’t. And so now therefore, and then now we go to Virginia and their decoration. Now therefore, we the people of Virginia do declare in ordain that the ordinance adopted by the people of the state and convention on the 25th day of June,
88, whereby the Constitution States of America was ratified and all acts of the General Assembly of this state ratifying or adopting amendments to said constitution are hereby repealed and abrogated.
That the union between the state of Virginia and the other states under the Constitution aforesaid is hereby dissolved and that the state of Virginia is in the full possession and exercise of all the rights of sovereignty which belong and appertain to a free and independent state.
And they do further declare that the said constitution in the United States of America is no longer binding on any of the citizens of this state. So let me go back so you have you have the states recognizing understanding at this point that you know because the schools you know to the Victor go the monuments.
Hadn’t brainwashed the people into thinking that they were a new country and that each state was just a subdivision of this national government that know that each of them were sovereign independent nations that had delegated certain enumerated powers to a like an arbor an arbitrator basically to do these things this they they they they contracted out certain powers but by Contracting those powers out to somebody else that
had not negate them from being independent sovereign nations they maintain their sovereignty and They followed the principle in the original declaration of independence of 1776 that they had the right and Duty to separate themselves from a government that was no longer Protecting their God -given rights.
I know we are running short. Okay, here we go. So any comments, thoughts? I thought this was the history that they were laying out. And, you know, people talk about the so -called Civil War,
and that it was, you know, insurrection and whatnot. But it was really just about implementing the principles that our nation, you know, that what we call a nation today was founded upon that our our union was founded upon was the idea that we have the right to separate ourselves when the the government that we’ve delegated power to is now violating those powers.
Any thoughts, comments, questions? I didn’t understand. I didn’t really realize, I guess, that we were not a unified nation for quite some time after the constitutional sign.
That is a new one on me. That’s what the war between the states was all about, was dissolving the sovereignty and independence of the states and creating a new government where they claimed that each new state,
each state was a now a subdivision subject to the authority of this central body. I have a comment. Yes.
Hey, my comment is this in 2020 was it 2020 2021 September 10th here in Utah. There was a group,
a large group, well 750 people that drew up a declaration stating that the governor had gone against our rights and was not protecting our rights.
We took that to the governor’s mansion and theoretically presented it to the governor, but it did no good. We had no,
it seemed as though the people had no power because you had the executive branch, governor, and then you had the police who was controlled by the governor. And therefore,
yeah, it says there, but in reality, we had no power. The people had no power. So I would disagree. I’d say we did not take the power, because just like with the original declaration of 1776,
The king didn’t say, oh, you’re right. No, they went to war with the people. And so the people that, you know, and I was there, I was a part of that. And the problem was that we we didn’t stick to it.
We didn’t say, oh, you are refusing to recognize this. We are going to defend ourselves to the death, if necessary, as the founding fathers did. And so we didn’t enforce it.
We didn’t stick to it. We allowed them to continue on with their tyranny, whereas the founding fathers were different, where they said, no, seriously, we mean it.
You keep coming in here. You are an invading force, and we are going to treat you as such. That’s what should have been done with that declaration in 2020. And so we have here where the declaration of independence.
What’s that? Oh, do you have a comment? Go ahead. I guess to hit home more of the… To hit home more of how much the colonists consider them all independent nations is…
So after the war had been won, which was basically because Britain was tired of going to war, from my understanding,
the… Uh, the Britain kind of almost considered coming in again because after the war,
there was still a whole bunch of basically paperwork to do with like having treaties between, uh, the United States of America, the colonies, former colonies, now independent nations,
and England, because there actually wasn’t a basic, a quorum in Congress. And in order for treaties to be ratified,
there needed to be enough members in Congress, a quorum. And so, but they went ahead, like states, basically they weren’t sending congressmen. There were several states that never sent anyone for many years.
And many, many years after that, there was just many vacant seats. The states just didn’t consider it very important. And so there actually wasn’t even a quorum, but they just they just signed it anyway because the alternative was much nastier than violating the lack of quorum To to sign that for Congress to sign all the treaties basically say okay It’s a treaty now between me and you Britain We won’t go to war and
these are our terms and each of the legislature at the separate states Yeah, you know because they had terms about like well Who does what in this ocean and they were kind of they were like Squabbling over some fishing rights and stuff like that.
So just to kind of because they really they just like I think Rhode Island Definitely didn’t send anyone and I don’t remember the other the other two states that yellow wire Don’t worry.
Yeah, and so I wish they’d have kept this mugger back home, too Yeah, and I don’t know I could talk more about that One of the things what’s that one of the one of the things that I learned taken history was the War of 1812 was a continuation.
Yeah, absolutely. Yep. So they made the Declaration of Independence from 1776 illegal after the loss of the War of Southern Independence.
All the states that entered the new union were compelled to permanently declare the principles of the Declaration of Independence were illegal so you know in their state I use that in quotes illegal because it’s a natural law and so we look at we compare right we look at the Declaration of Independence that whenever any form of government becomes destructive these ends it is the right of the people to alter or abolish
it that is a God -given right that nobody can legitimately take away but we look at all the states that entered into the union post 1860s, and you look at Nevada, no power exists in the people of this or any other state of the federal union to dissolve their connection therewith.
Utah, the state of Utah is an inseparable part of the federal union, Oklahoma, the state of Oklahoma is an inseparable part of the federal union. And similar wording or exact wording was used in all of the states that entered or joined into what we have now as 50 states have the same language.
And so essentially what that means is that the final death blow to the United States of 1787 was post war between the states.
So 1860s when we became one nation and now we’re You know subject to basically what all the state legislatures are saying where they have to do whatever the federal government says and that all the stuff was settled by the The war between the states it’s because we have given up our right our God given right to say no longer we want to be a part of this union And so we we don’t you’re violating the compact and so
we want to separate and so they have at least psychologically set made it and so people don’t want to follow that anymore. And so they’ve literally made, you know, as we celebrate Thursday,
the independence from England, we live in a place where we’ve said that that’s illegal to do. We can’t do that today. We would say, you know, it is quote unquote illegal to do what the Founding Fathers did.
And I say that to show the seriousness of the situation that we are in, that it doesn’t exist anymore. And so what we’re doing,
why what we’re doing is so important. And understanding the perspective of what it is that we’re doing. It’s not about fixing evil. It’s about just doing the right thing,
right? We don’t fix evil, you leave it. And so even though that it’s against quote unquote, against the state constitution, it’s an invalid, it’d be like entering a credit card agreement with a credit card company.
And as a part of the contract, it said, you are our customer forever, you are not allowed to leave as our customer. That is an invalid contract from day one.
The state of the Utah Constitution is an invalid contract. It is null and void day one. And So just because it says that in the state constitution does not make it legal,
does not make it right, does not make it moral, and we still have to follow the same principles that we, you know, we started from we understand, we have to understand those principles that were laid out in the declarations of independence of the southern states of the United of the 13 colonies and what desert the principles that desert declared declared independence.
The kingdom of God declared independence from the United States from. This isn’t just some rag -tab group of people saying, “Oh, I don’t like what the federal government’s doing.” No, this is a bunch of people have shown and have gotten people together to say,
“No, this far and no further.” And unfortunately, those examples post -1776 haven’t ended in successful divorcements,
but that does not mean that they cannot happen again, that we need to restore and be immoral people and be willing to pay the price to be able to follow the example of great men like the Founding Fathers when they declared independence from a country that refused to protect their God -given rights.
And so as we celebrate American independence this weekend, I hope that we understand in more in depth the principles and the situation that we’re in,
that we don’t fall into this false sense of security that isn’t it great, you know, that we live in a free country, but recognize that what we are celebrating no longer exists and that we need to put forth a sacrifice to store once again.
And so is there has there been an amendment to make that law or is it just forced to make what law that we have to be one country?
That’s that’s in. So that’s that was compelled to be able to be allowed to enter the union. Our state constitution Congress forces every state to have that provision in their state constitutions.
Okay, that’s unconstitutional. Is there a way to nullify it? Well, the only way to nullify anything is to ignore and do the right thing anyways. And then when somebody tries to stop you,
you defend yourself. That’s the only way nullification really ever works. So the pickup arms?
If they come against you, you don’t act aggressively, you don’t act as the aggressor, but if they come against you to take away your God -given rights,
then you have to defend yourself. It’s your obligation. God expects it of you. And if you have to jump their fence and kill them while they’re sleeping, then what a defense you just had to you had to defend yourself While they’re sleeping,
I don’t know Best time to kill somebody is when they’re sleeping, you know if you use a javelin it works really well and your name is JL Yes JL reference from the old test Kings.
Right, right. Well, I was thinking, I was thinking, Tiankham, what about Tiankham? Oh, I love Tiankham. Or Nephi, Nephi, killing a drunk guy that’s passed out. You know,
if you can do it when they’re defenseless, that’s the best time. Well, no, I’m going to disagree with you. Following Oran Porter Rockwell’s theory,
it’s just best not to miss. Sure, but it’s best not to It’s best not to miss it, but it’s easier not to miss it if they’re not away. You don’t want them aiming at you.
So I mean, I’m just saying, Alan, I think you’re you’re missing the the sarcasm like, like what lion is hunting the herd? What does it go after? It always goes after the babies because they’re defenseless.
The weak one, the sick one. So you need to go after your enemy when they’re weakest. Come on, let’s finish this (laughing) So, well, we are out of time,
but we have to understand those principles and so that we can start to apply them. So we’re gonna finish up, we are over time, so we’ll have open forum. If there’s an open forum, anybody has any questions,
anything they wanna add to what we’ve talked about, or we can get into different subjects, that’s fine, but let’s go ahead and close with a prayer. Let’s go ahead and Samantha, would you be willing to say the closing prayer for us.
Sure thing. Thank you. Thank you. Our father in heaven. We give thanks for this time that we have to meet together as the Tree of Liberty Society and we give thanks for Ben and his preparations and and studies and knowledge that he shared with us this night in our history and to help us to understand correctly what really happened and what the true principles are behind the independence of our founding fathers and
what’s why they were willing to fight for it and how we should follow in their footsteps and understand what is required to be free and be willing to do it.
We’re grateful for this time that we have to think on these serious matters and to commit ourselves to be steadfast and true in the spirit of liberty and being more Christ -like in our understanding of these important principles.
We ask thee to bless us in these endeavors and in sharing and teaching these principles with those that are not aware of them and as we’re aware that many people have been tying correctly.
We ask thee to bless each of us that is here and our families and those that weren’t able to make it help us to recommit ourselves to be principled and to be sanctified and worthy of being protected and to have the blessings of our Savior as we defend ourselves,
as we assert our rights. We’re so grateful for the knowledge and the light and the spirit that we can learn these things and ask that it might stay with us and go with us and We say the same Jesus Christ
