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Okay, so Pamela clinch is going to say the opening prayer and then that will be followed by Carmen Giving the minutes for our meeting of the 11th. So go ahead Pam Our father in heaven as we come before thee this night Again,
we are grateful to be together to have this opportunity for the things that we know are true for the Spirits that we feel when we talk about these things we pray for things to go well tonight,
that knowledge will be disseminated and truth will be told and we can have the camaraderie to discuss these things and these things that are important for this time that we live in.
We say this in the name of our Savior Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Amen. Take it away, Carmen. The Tree of Liberty Society meeting.
meeting for December the 11th, last Monday, 2023. These are the minutes. The opening prayer was offered by Pan Klinch.
Ben said it’s important to overcome false traditions. He introduced Wayne Wikizer, a new member. Former FBI investigator. investigator. Becky gave a fantastic report on satanic false traditions part two.
This is a disclaimer she gave. So she talked about asked if our beliefs are consistent with scriptural teachings and if we’re open to new insights.
talked about Heber C. Kimball, about him saying about impenetrable barriers to truth. There’s the false gods of commercialism,
talked about Black Friday, a day of excess materialism and self -indulgence. We should be set apart from the world and be asked a very pointed question,
“Is this holiday really worth saving?” She talked in all the incredible research she did. She said the founding fathers in 1659 were to court and it was made illegally.
in America to celebrate Christmas, but this happened until the mid -1800s where Alabama declared a federal holiday,
declared Christmas a federal holiday. It was began by Constantine, who was a pagan most of his life,
that December 20, was the birthday of Nimrod, a sun god. There’s all sorts of information on the eight pointed star,
the Christmas tree, the silver and gold, Santa Claus, Nimrod, Odin, all the same person or entity or person edge.
She started giving giving all sorts of, I’m not sure what to call them, she talked about the eight horse, the horse with eight legs,
and it equals the eight reindeer. The similarities, the white beard, it’s omniscient, Santa Claus is omniscient,
meaning all wise and all knowing, is the giver of gifts. That’s all. wants children to come to Santa over the elves and to come boldly for the help.
Christ is the absolute truth, Santa is a lie. Santa’s entry, trademark thing to say is ho ho ho.
[BLANK _AUDIO] That’s what Satan announced in the different plays with the drunken orgies and the Saturnalia. Crisis the abs,
okay, we did that one. Truth has, okay, I’ve got to,
there are, the festival called the Krampus Festival in Germany. There are their dark helpers or elves and they punished bad children.
There’s a lot of time and money spent on decorations and gifts. How much time is spent on Christ? Krampus, I am the Lord your God. And this is something that Becky kept repeating during her presentation.
We’re taking the traditions of the heathens and making them cute. We are told to have no other gods before me. God gives us.
us different celebrations, different holidays in the Bible and they’re all about Christ. Satan’s greatest weapon is man’s ignorance of fault of God’s word.
God Christ is waiting for us to open the door and let him in where liberty is. There is God here at at Tree of Liberty Society,
our goal is to regain lost freedom. And we must live our lives solely dedicated to God the way he has commanded. No excuses,
no justifications, those words are from Carmen. Bobby spoke up and said he used to spend $4 ,000 every year, and it was nothing.
about Christ. Pam talked about Hanukkah in her family, or I think, anyway,
when the enemy desecrated the temple, they went to the sun and asked him if he will desecrate the temple and will give him honor and glory.
They killed him. and righted the wrong. Becky encouraged us to read the Maccabees. It’s our story. GW spoke up and said,
“Symbolism is critical. The inverted five -pointed star, the rainbow, the Christmas tree, It is understood that Joseph Smith,
Brigham Young, and John Taylor celebrated Christmas. There’s a five point star on the temple. And the one thing that Becky ended with,
she said, “God creates and Satan.” imitates.” The closing prayer was offered by Jumpin’ Jay.
Okay, thank you very much, Carmen. I appreciate you taking the time to get those minutes for us. So, even though we had that training that we had,
you know, it takes time to overcome traditions, and so I… week is Christmas. Next Monday is Christmas Day. And, you know, a lot of us will still be having family things get togethers,
you know, even if there’s different variations of how we’re going about it. And so next week we will just, we’ll have a pass. I don’t think there’ll be very many people on here.
And so I think we’re just gonna pass next week. And… and just as an FYI with the holiday, but we will be doing it on, even if it’s just me,
we will be doing it on New Year’s Day, so we’re not going to do the, we’re not going to do two weeks off, but so if anybody has any questions on that, please let me know,
but so it’ll be two more weeks between now and our next meeting, but we do do have two meetings coming up this week, and it’s getting so close to Christmas.
It’s just one of those things where we might not have a lot of people coming, but we have, on Wednesday, we have our book club. So hopefully, even if you, again, like I always say, even if you haven’t read it,
please feel free to join us. It’ll be Monday, I mean, sorry, Wednesday, 7pm Mountain Time, and then on Friday, 7pm 7 p .m. mountain time, we’ll be doing our boot camp on Wolves and Sheets clothing,
false opposition, understanding the principle of people saying, you know, one thing and doing another, understanding the idea of controlled opposition, people pretending to be good liberty -minded people,
but being able to distinguish between those that are really liberty -minded and those that are just saying one thing and doing something completely different. So that’s Friday, seven o ‘clock.
And again, both of these Wednesday and Friday’s meeting is open to anybody. Please, please invite them and share the links with them. And we’d love to see everybody there. But I do recognize that this is the time of year where people are very busy.
And so if it’s, if it’s scarce, then we’ll just have people, people will be able to check out the recording afterwards. So any questions about? Wednesday or Friday? Okay.
Then we shall, let’s see here, are we still doing the memoirs? Yes, we’re still doing the memoirs. So we’re on section, we just finished, I think it was the first section.
So we’re going off into the, the, the, the of the second section, the first like eight chapter thing it was. And looks like only question there.
It was asked before the meeting, I was just going to do a update either way for the situation going on with the the no knock rate. It’s been, it’s been,
you know, the response from friendly media has been good. good. I was on, um, info wars with Kate Dally last Wednesday, and then she had me on the new American program last Wednesday,
I mean, Thursday. And then on Friday, I was on her, uh, radio show and, and then, um, there’s a couple of other shows that will be having me on soon to talk about what’s going on,
because it just needs to have people need to know what’s going on. It’s pretty crazy as things develop. It just gets more and more obvious. how dangerous the situation is and what we’re going to get into in a second.
So I’m just trying to make sure I remember. Oh, so if you know, if you have any connections with additional shows, Jay’s been great in getting those hookups. But if anybody else has any other people that could help us to get the word out,
it’s really important that we do. It’s kind of go. time with that so last thursday at five o ‘clock was the deadline where they were according to statute supposed to give me my wrist give me my the affidavit that they gave to the judge to have him sign off on the no -knock warrant and so they something i didn’t think to talk to you guys about before I get into the know,
you know, what’s the update on that is, is I wanted to share with you the language of like what is required in code to have a judge sign off on a no knock warrant.
It’s very short. And so it’s, I think it’s a good, you know, thing to do here in Utah is this is the code. So first section is definitions. definitions. So it wasn’t even though it was dark.
It wasn’t nighttime. It was considered daytime because daytime is between 6am and 10pm. So subject to the provisions of the section officer serving a lawful no knock warrant may make a forcible entry onto the property,
blah, blah, blah, before seeking a no knock warrant from a judge or magistrate, a supervisory official shall, using the officer’s affidavit. So the officer has the affidavit and then he goes to a supervisor.
In this case, it would be the sheriff and the sheriff would have to independently perform an assessment to evaluate the totality of the circumstances. So the sheriff had to look into it and make sure that the,
you know, the affidavit was true. Ensure reasonable intelligence gathering efforts have been made. Ensure a threat assessment was completed on the person or building to be searched.
So a threat assessment on me, determine either that there is a sufficient basis to support seeking a warrant or require that the officer continue evidence gathering efforts. So kind of have supervisory position of going over and make sure that it’s legitimate.
The affidavit for a no knock warrant shall describe and then kind of really getting into basically the fourth amendment, why the officer believes the suspect is unable to. to be detained or the resident searched using less invasive or less confrontational methods.
Investigative activities that have been undertaken to ensure that the correct building is identified. And that potential harm to innocent third parties the building and officers may be minimized.
And the present or imminent threat of serious bodily injury or death to a person inside outside or in near. near proximity to the building. A nonak warrant shall be served during the daytime unless something upon serving a nonak warrant shall really markings blah blah blah.
Notwithstanding any other provision this chapter cannot request a nonak warrant if the warrant is solely for a misdemeanor investigation. So they’re claiming that right it was going to be dangerous for people if they did a typical warrant um that they of course had the they did their investigative,
you know, they were able to gather intelligence and that a threat assessment was made that said that this is the only way to do it. And then the sheriff determined there was sufficient basis to support seeking a warrant.
And so all that stuff was supported. I get to search your house,
but that was going to be totally, you know, it was going to be too dangerous to do that. And so that’s what they’re claiming to do. And then, so I requested the affidavit that said that,
you know, they gave the evidence for all of these things as opposed to, you know, surveillance that they did to say that I was going to be this dangerous individual. And they’re, the 10 days was up on Thursday and about half an hour,
45 minutes before the (audio cuts out) I get an email saying we are claiming extraordinary circumstances under Utah Code and anticipate we will have a further response for you in 10 days.
So they’re this thing that literally they could just press send it’s in their files and it’s not, you know, they had to digitally transmit it to the judge. So it’s not like it’s not even like it’s hard like they have to like scan.
it into the computer first um it’s this is a basic basic thing and so the uh the uh what’s it called the lawyer that I’ve been speaking with uh seems to think that a couple of different scenarios are going on one of the things that he says is most likely is that they are because it was sent to me not by just the person in charge of grammar requests in the sheriff’s department.
It was sent to me by their legal team. So they’re involved. They’ve involved the Utah County attorney into this situation as well, which he said was very,
very, very abnormal. And so he thinks that they are either that they’re most likely very worried about, you know, about this looking, you know, they got to find ways to cover their butts,
basically, or that it’s a part of a larger investigation and that there is, you know, more problems that will be coming forward that they’re trying to,
you know, trump up charges and trump up evidence and they don’t want me to know about that. The affidavit would, if this is the case, might tip me of a further investigation that they’re doing.
doing.” So it’s either bad or it’s really bad, basically the situation that’s going on with this right now. And so he also thinks that they’re delaying because you have now I have 30 days to appeal.
So basically what they’ve said is they’ve said no. And so I have 30 days to appeal that decision. And he thinks that they’re trying to run out the clock. Like I’m gonna wait the 10 days and expect them to give up.
me the to give me the the affidavit. But what what he’s saying is what they’re more likely to be doing is in this situation is making me think that that’s going to happen.
But that by the time that they’ve given me another, you know, delay, that the time for me to appeal it has lapsed.
And so now they’re Scott free and they don’t have to to, according to statute, give me the supposed evidence they had to say that I had this giant drug lab and that I was very dangerous and that there was nothing else that they could do.
Ben, I have a question for you. Do they know you’ve got this lawyer in your back pocket? I don’t think so. Good.
Good question. And so, um, so that’s the situation that’s going on right now with with that specifically, um,
so we’ve got so I’ve got to file a challenge to their denial and have that process move along so that’s that’s what’s going on any questions.
No questions. Okay. Hey, Ben. Yeah, you’re gonna I know I think I emailed you about it Yeah, are you gonna put in to get the body camera image of all these guys on the on the thing just to keep that clock Going and the dispatch records and those things just to get just to just to keep resetting your 30 -day clock with new things To to put in for requests for yeah Yeah,
we’re gonna do that. We’re gonna ask for all communications that that I’ve been mentioned in and just get you know any kind of data that we can that they’ve they might have in reference to me.
Jay real quick you you you messaged your sheriff and asked him what were the you know what was the the process of getting such a warrant that they would go through kind of give us a real quick short overview of your conversation with him.
– Okay, yeah, so up here in Weber County, we’ve got a good sheriff’s named Sheriff Ryan Arben. In fact, just to give you some background on him, I think it was him and the Iron County sheriffs were the two lawmen that actually went to Salt Lake City when all the Black Lives Matter riots were going on.
And… and with a bunch of volunteers, lawmen saved property and kind of contained the protests and saved the public that were out observing and trying to protect their property.
I mean, Rosie Rivera, the Salt Lake County Sheriff, didn’t even show up in her own jurisdiction to help. So Ryan Arben and Weber County’s got some great deputies. So we’re blessed up here with them. But yeah,
I sent him an email. I see he’s here. talked about them being able to,
you know, suspect something. And then they’ve got to they’ve got to they have the have to prove the probable cause. And so they’ve got to either do that by he talked about they have a threshold up here in Weber County that they always try to follow.
It’s to get their their probability that the house and person they’re going to assert they’re going to is gonna be 70 % or higher likelihood that they’re gonna find what they’re looking for.
And he specifically said that when he signs off on a warrant, they have to specify the room they’re searching and what they’re looking for. It can’t be a broad document.
Like Ben’s immediately triggered flags in my mind that Ben’s is just so broad. And, you know, you could find… find potting soil in this garage and be accused in any of without whatever.
But, but he said that they have to the warrants have to be very, very specific. And he says to be able to get to that 70 % threshold in determining that score,
they have to do surveillance is what they do up here. And he says, when they do a surveillance on a place, they’re looking to see how long a car will stay there so if it’s someone going to Ben’s house that’s 80 years old and she’s there for four hours they know she’s not likely someone buying drugs.
It’s probably grandma but if there’s dozens and dozens of cars that are there for three or four minutes they track the license plate numbers and they’re timing the stops of all the cars so there’s a lot that goes into the vetting process.
up here, you know, to go through that process. And then those guys who do the search,
that do the search, or did the surveillance, they have to basically attest or give an oath that what they’re seeing and what they captured is true and honest.
And that’s the next step in the process that they have to give an oath that that is what they say. One thing I forgot to mention at the first of this was that if say someone went to Ben’s house and went to the sheriff’s department says yeah I’ve been to Ben’s house before and you know I saw that he has these drug plants in his house they To take a charge like that or an accusation,
they vet the person who is the informant basically. They vet that person to make sure that they’re truthful, that they can be trusted.
And if he says, “Well, yeah, I was over at Ben’s house two weeks ago,” they won’t go with old data. It’s got to be within a day or two. or even hours to be credible and to meet,
to be another part of their calculation to get that 70 % threshold that what they’re going to go in and find is there. And so moving through the process, there was a word,
I forgot, I got to look at what the word was called, but it’s like, it starts with an EI, Extengent. Anyway, it’s four. so then I asked him what was the steps in making it a no -knock warrant.
He says you’ve got to be able to prove that there is Extendent it’s EXI I think it’s Extendent is the word exigent Exigent that’s it.
Thank you But he said there has to be exigent probability And then again that that goes through in a bunch more vetting if you’re going to have you know our men go and and do that and so whether that’s you know prior records knowing you know they’ve had trouble with individuals before you know if they’re consulting databases you know and you know he they have to prove that heavily as well up here so hope that gives
you a little bit of background where We’re lucky with our sheriff up here. He invited me to go out and ride with their street crimes unit and see how it happens real time and how they have a tool in that the officers can tap into called eWarrant where from their car,
if they pull some, he used the example, he was doing ride -alongs with some of his deputies and they pulled a guy over who was driving impaired. him paired and they pulled him over asked him if they could you know they could smell marijuana in this car and he said oh yeah you can search my car and they went and searched his car didn’t find anything but he had like a fanny pack or backpack on on him and he
wouldn’t let the officer search him when he was already outside the car so they went back to the their car pulled up this tool called e -warrant typed it in, and within 15 minutes,
that had gotten to a judge, and their probable cause was the marijuana smell, and they came back and gave them the go -ahead to search that backpack,
and they found like a pound of marijuana in the backpack, and so, I mean, that’s one of the tools they’ve got in this process, just to…
to throw that out there, as how some of that stuff in law enforcement works. So after the first year, I’m gonna go ride with those guys and just kind of see it firsthand and I can report to us to hear,
to give us more background to be able to help Ben and just learn what we can. So that’s about it. Anything else, Ben, for my email to you or text? – That’s a good overview,
I appreciate it. – So basically what we see here, with this is the argument that they would make is they would say, right, right, we have the law enforcement, you know,
and these are trusted members of society, and his boss, the sheriff, all went through this information and it was double checked by the sheriff. And then all of that was double checked again by the judge.
And so clearly, Ben is, you know, is a drug lord and he’s dangerous and he has a giant drug lab because we had all these checks and balances and all this high standard before any of this stuff could be approved.
And so clearly Ben is dangerous and a drug, you know, a drug manufacturer or they all three conspired together and none of it’s true.
And so of course publicly they’re going to give that idea of. of, right, all three of them were in on together, right, right. But, you know, I would say that the fact that they didn’t take me away in handcuffs to prove that proves my case that they’re liars.
Otherwise, none of that could have even gotten approved in the first place. It would have been impossible. The standard for this no knock ’cause could not have been met.
the the standard for a warrant by itself couldn’t have been met and the warrant itself was illegal and so these guys are criminals they’re oath breakers and they’re conspirators to lie to make it look like i’m you know this this dangerous person and and and being a threat to the family you know on their way out my kids are terrified and you know my i’ve got a two -year -old girl and a five -year -old girl and a,
well, six -year -old girl and an eight -year -old girl and a 10 -year -old girl. And they’re just staring at these guys and they’re full on military gear, you know, about to cry. And one of them just callously barks at them.
I’m not the bad guy, you know. And so, you know, these guys are bad. They’re, they’re evil. and they work together to try and terrorize us.
And so there’s things that that are happening behind the scenes that I don’t really want to talk about in a situation in a in a scenario like this, but any help that you guys can provide to help us move forward on these things would be greatly appreciated.
You can see on the website. So then just for the benefit of john here, I seem to remember you mentioning that you actually caught them when you were outside your house.
So if they had actually entered your house, you kind of wonder if you suddenly might have found that there was some, you know, some drugs in your house all of a sudden, you know? – Yeah,
I mean, it could have been, they could have done plant, you know, a drug plant or they could have, you know, do you have these guys barging down the door? I don’t know who they are. ‘Cause the warrant said they don’t… announce who they are or why they’re there.
I’ve got to protect my family. And so it could have these same guys have, you know, just we have cops in general with a record on these types of things. And then we have these cops and specifically have,
it’s known that they are excessively violent in a lot of cases. And so it could have gotten really bad. I think it’s a real blessing that I was outside. outside. – Ben.
– I mean, go ahead, Carmen. – Thank you. The worst case scenario then could have been you became unalert,
hold out your weapons to defend you and your family. and they could have responded with gunfire. Absolutely.
With my experience, what you’re going to find out is it’s one of these cops. You mentioned that one of these cops have been involved in a murder case or excessive.
It’s going to be one of them. You’re muffled out. I can’t really understand what you’re saying. What it’s gonna turn out being is one of those cops Just got the judge to fill out the warrant that none of the extra stuff was done That’s just yeah,
that’s just as that’s exactly. I mean that’s that could definitely be the case Which means they’re they were accessory to a lie. They didn’t do they didn’t do their job. They can spy together to make sure that the job wasn’t done.
Well, that’s the update. I know I’d like to make sure we get into the bulk of training, but we’ll keep you posted on the things that we can talk about. Let’s go ahead and go with there.
I want to talk about, as we’ve closed out the year, what we’re going to be, you know, the idea of notification. This is the, this is how we go on the offense to be able to preserve lost liberty.
And yeah. – I have another question. – Okay. – Is it within the realm of possibility that they are accessing this?
this meeting? Oh, sure. Yeah. Yep.
Wouldn’t be difficult for them to do it all. So, there’s lots of different things that I don’t like to just communicate on digital.
formats just for protection. So for that, for that reason, basically, it’s a violation of the, you know, your fifth amendment to be able to not incriminate yourself.
So the top five things to nullify in, I know in the email it said top 10, but I, you know, I thought I knew we’d run out of time. So I squished it down to five. So but this is just a warning,
right? This isn’t some. weird trick where you can follow the Constitution and follow the, you know, the law, the actual law and Big bad government will leave you alone. That’s not the case at all There is risk for doing the right thing and the founding fathers knew that and we need to to know that as well But I want to get into just as a recap.
What is nullification? There are basically three types of nullification States the first one is states refusing to enforce or forbidding the implementation of an illegal act of the central government okay the second one is local governments refusing to enforce or forbidding the implementation of an illegal act of the central or state government and then the third one is individuals like everybody here on the call refusing to
obey or to support an illegal act of any level of government and that people were being tried for violating these fake laws.
That’s why they needed to separate themselves from England. And the 10th Amendment was one of those things to help people realize that that was the case in America, that if the government was doing something outside of the delegated authority,
right, the few and defined powers given to the central government, if it was beyond those few and defined powers, then what they were doing was illegal. They’re not allowed to do it, and those powers are reserved to us,
the people in the States. And so, so what do you do about it? The Founding Fathers talked about that, you know, Thomas Jefferson in 1798 and 1799, before even becoming president said that the null,
that a nullification by those sovereignty of all unauthorized acts done under color of that instrument, meaning the Constitution, is the rightful remedy. So nullifying a law that is not authorized by the Constitution is what you’re supposed to do.
You didn’t say go to the court. to decide if the you know go to the government and decide if your rights have been violated Or if they vote if they broke the law That is the sure way to and to grow government and to increase their powers because they’re not going to say that they violated the law and So just an example of of a state nullifying it.
There was in in George in 1830s. There was There was a law that the Supreme Court said was unconstitutional. And so the Georgia legislature passed a law that anyone that came to Georgia to enforce the court ruling would be hung.
So it’s not just like they’re not going to follow it. They’re not just it’s not just like, oh, we’re going to ignore them, which is a great first step. But they said, no, you come in here and you’re not going to be alive much longer if you’re going to do this,
because they were the final arbiters, as the founding fathers said. So the first thing that we need to nullify in 2024 is the Federal Reserve. We can see how the Federal Reserve is really the biggest thing that is affecting,
you know, helping support the biggest government that the world has ever seen. So without the Federal Reserve, the government would have to rely on tax receipts and the free market to borrowing to fund it.
They just couldn’t survive. That would naturally limit the government. What it would be allowed to do if it was limited to those things. And it could not drive the people into property through inflation.
You have the hidden tax of inflation, which even though you’re not making anymore, the price to be able to fund their out of control spending, it makes your money less valuable.
valuable. The next one is that your privacy, of course, would be protected. They wouldn’t be able to use bank accounts like they did in Canada to be able to silence people that were supporting the truckers.
They wouldn’t be able to go after people in the states for, you know, because they earned more than $600 on Venmo, you’d be able to have your privacy protected.
And of course, we know that Federal Reserve notes are a tool of tyranny. They’re used for inflation, they’re used to fund wars, they’re used to fund the police state, and on and on and on.
And so this is one of those things that we have to work to nullify. And so a few key ways that all of us and individuals can work to nullify is by using actual,
you know, non -debased currencies, like there’s just one example would be the Goldback, if you go to goldback .com you can look at businesses all over the country that accept them or just,
you know, find businesses that are willing to accept some sort of, you know, tangible and something with intrinsic value just as using that as one example. Another thing is just barter itself,
finding people that are willing to trade for the things that you need and want. Another very powerful tool that we’ve talked about to be able to not only nullify the Federal Reserve,
but to be able to be independent and to be able to not have to depend on an industry that wants to take away your rights to be able to provide you with the things you need.
And that is producing them yourself, whether it’s gardening or whether you learn how to, you know, make your own clothes. clothes, whatever it is, but a way to nullify this system is to not use it.
And so you don’t use it by using other things like gold, like using barter, or by producing it yourself. The more that you can produce, the less you are dependent upon them,
and the less that inflation can affect you. Just as one example, the less that you are, that your hard work, because you are trading your labor usually. usually most people are trading their labor for federal reserve notes.
And so that means you’re trading your labor to be able to fund the machine. And so that’s everything that we can do to decrease that that support is going to be something that empowers us and weakens them.
So the next thing is we need to we need to nullify the. idea of unlimited federal supremacy. And so Thomas Jefferson, he said that government the government created by this compact was not made the exclusive final judge of the of the extent of the powers delegated to itself.
Okay, so meaning there’s no branch in the in the federal government, not not the Supreme Court, not the Congress, not the president. they don’t get to judge if they’ve violated their own powers.
Since that would have made its discretion and not the Constitution the measure of its powers. Their own ideas of what their powers are would be where they were at and the Constitution would be meaningless.
He says, further on the Kentucky resolutions, the several states who formed. the Constitution being sovereign and independent have the unquestionable right to judge of its infraction.
The creator is more powerful than the created and they get to decide when the compact has been violated. Not the courts they never the founding fathers never ever ever ever ever said the courts decided when the Constitution was.
was violated. And so how do we do that, right? First, government officials must be exposed for allowing the central government to be the final arbiter of what they are and are not allowed to do.
So if you hear somebody in office, somebody that is an elected official or whatnot say that, well, we’re going to take to the court, or the court already is decided.
So you need to know that. to expose them as the criminal that they are for saying that the federal government gets to decide when they violated the law,
the delegated powers that were given to them. You’re not going to, if you give, you know, if you tell your child to go do something or that they’re allowed to go do something, and then that child then gets to decide if they went beyond the permission that was given to them.
Duh, of course, they’re going to. And so anybody in government that makes that claim needs to be exposed for the fraud and criminal that they are. And so by embarrassing them to do the right thing through exposing their vote by exposing their affiliations and their actions and their words.
And so that’s the thing that that we do a lot is is we put that together as a tool for you in many, many cases. And so. And so they depend on your believing that they are legitimate for their power.
And so the more that their legitimacy is put into question, the more they have to backpedal and pretend to do the right thing. And so that’s one way that we can get them to do it. But the next thing is the people, right?
Those that tend to be involved. We’re not talking about the masses that only care about football or basketball and they don’t care what’s going on. We’re talking about the people that care about football or basketball. doing the right thing. These people must be made aware of the principles of limited federal authority and then also understand and be taught the principles of nullification.
So we have the tools that we do have on these principles so that we can use these things in our, you know, print them off and share them in the groups that we visit physically or share them on social media,
email them to people, help them understand these principles. principles and so that we can help make sure that not only are we holding people accountable for violating these principles,
but then now we’re getting individuals themselves to be involved in the nullification process, to disobey and to not follow illegal laws. Hey,
Ben. Yeah, go ahead. Hey, just today governor Abbott, Texas sign a state law down there that Says that they will say a Texas will now start arresting anybody who crosses the border illegally You know,
so it’ll be interesting to see he should have he should have put teeth to it and says well as soon as I sign this We’re dispatching the national guard down to the border to start enforcing this since the federal government government and the border patrol won’t do it.
But I guess it’s a step and an example of them nullifying since the feds are dropping the ball on it. Yeah, gotta be careful with a guy like Abbott, who’s an internationalist and a globalist,
but you know, if maybe he’d be embarrassed to do the right thing, it’d be great. So yeah, the next step is to have teeth to arrest anybody not enforcing you know, the laws,
the actual constitutional laws of the United States. Yeah. So it’ll be interesting to see in the next coming days if they, how this proceeds. If it’s just the legislature down there and the governor just doing lip service because it’s election year coming up,
or if it’s something they’re serious about because they’re getting overwhelmed and don’t have the resources and it’s costing everybody and everybody’s complaining to their legislators. And then see what they do.
they do when the federal government takes them to court and the court rules that only the feds have jurisdiction over you know immigration and then and see if they say well nothing we can do about it the courts have ruled let’s see what they we do there so the next one is gun control notification just a principle of of the principle covering the idea of being able to defend yourself.
The founding fathers said our swords and every terrible instrument of the soldier are the birthright of Americans. They understood that the ability to defend yourself meant that you had to be able to have nobody else,
you know, could have something that you weren’t allowed to have. If there was an entity that was allowed to have more… arms than you had, that means they were over you and you could not defend yourself against them.
And so the founding fathers understood that you had to have the same, if not better, implements of war than the government. And the Prophet Joseph Smith said that there is one principle which is eternal.
It is the duty of all men to protect their lives and lives of their household. Whenever necessity requires and no power has the power to protect their lives, it is the duty of all men to protect their lives. the right to forbid it. And so how many legitimate gun control laws are on the books,
on the state or federal level? The answer to that is zero. Every single law on the books that controls arms is completely illegal and they need to be treated as such and so there are some things that we can do to be able to nullify gun control legislation.
James Otis said that there’s nothing that will destroy liberty more than a prevailing of them the than that prevailing opinion that it is better tamely to submit than nobly assert and vindicate our privileges.
So basically, the first thing is, we can’t just say, we just got to go along because it’s too much effort to oppose it. That is is what allows tyranny to expand and to continue.
And so that’s the first step. And then there are, the next thing is to find in your local area, private trading of arms.
So that way, you know, if you go to a store, that store is required, required, the federal government will shut them down. And so if they’re not willing to nullify what to nullify what you want to do, you’re not willing to nullify what you want to do, you’re not willing almost no gun store is,
they’re going to take a record of any weapon that you buy from them. But in most states, there are ways of being able to privately trade weapons and arms between individuals.
And so that there is no record. And so that’s, you know, that is one way to nullify the tracking of who and what you own. And, and so that’s, you know, one of those first basic steps of saying,
I’m, you know, we’re not going to follow that. And so being able to find individuals in states that, you know, that’s a little bit more difficult is, is a great way to nullify as well, if you’re willing to face the risk involved in that.
And so those are just kind of the beginning steps of just before it’s even a thing is you need to to live your life, you know, in a way that says that I don’t even recognize these things as being legitimate.
So finding ways to do it without the government’s control or preview of weapons control. Another thing is, you know, demand that anyone claiming to be a law enforcement officer,
right, laws of the Constitution, arrest anyone in his jurisdiction that attempts to or promotes any restriction on arms. If you have a legitimate sheriff,
he will arrest any federal or state official coming in to block you from owning any type of arms. If he does not do that, then he is a unconstitutional sheriff right off the bat and should be exposed as such.
And we need to embarrass any government official that won’t do these things through exposure. And so the next thing, well, before I go on to that, any questions or comments on on nullifying gun control?
Okay. So fourth, the police state. First of all, to to nullify the police state, the demand that state county and local police refuse all government grants,
gifts, local and federal task force. and funding. If your city police department, if your sheriff’s department is getting funding or grants or gifts like this MRAP vehicle,
or they’re part of a joint task force of some kind, then there is strings attached. And we see that happening all over the place where local agencies,
because they got that funding are giving information to the feds. a lot of the time without even a warrant and So it’s essential that if we if our local sheriff again We think claims to be constitutional if he’s doing any of these things He has the federal government under there,
you know, the federal government has them under their thumb And so it’s essential that they stop doing that to show that they are not going to submit themselves to the feds The next thing is to shut down down fusion centers in your state.
You can go to that link and find out where the fusion centers are in your area. And so you can, it’s not even, that’s not even, that map isn’t even a full list of all of them. But you can see these are the,
these fusion centers are federal agencies that are working with the states to spy on the people on the local level. These are very dangerous institutions. And then also,
remove them. all state surveillance. The police state cannot, you know, make it difficult for the police state to exist. And one of the best ways to make it difficult for the police state to exist is to remove their ability to perform surveillance all over the,
all over the country. I don’t know what Canada’s like. Maybe Alan can tell us about this. But in the United States, there are departments that all over the place that have license plate scanners.
And so they are tracking your license plate, meaning you’re travel. They know when you’re traveling through a different place and when you’re going from one place to another and how long you were there.
And when you came back, you have just traffic, some cities have the red light traffic cameras. You have other cities that have just surveillance cameras. And so in some places,
you have in… that are taking them down. You have some places that are covering them up with like silly string. And so finding different ways that you feel comfortable with nullifying the surveillance state is going to be a big step towards preventing the police state,
the total police state. And so we go back here. So any questions and thoughts on this? on this on the nullifying the police state No, okay So the next one is you know nullifying the indoctrination of youth The governor,
you know pub what’s referred to as public schools should be called government schools or even government church the state -controlled education of children is how they indoctrinate them into the doctrine of the state to get them to follow and not to be resisting what their programs are.
You saw that during the fake pandemic when they used students in schools where they would say, “Well, you couldn’t play on the sports team if you weren’t getting your vaccine or you’re wearing wearing your masks.
And so they got the kids to start to enforce these mandates. And so we look at first, we’re going to look at Stalin. He said that education is a weapon whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.
You know, as individuals, everybody in this group and those that we can influence should be sure that we are not allowing our children to go to school. to be weapons in the hand of the state.
Alan, go ahead. – Yeah, I was just thinking at my own experiences in school during my primary education, one thing that stood out is that their ability to indoctrinate was very subtle at that time,
but very effective because I remember being in an interpretive literature class and we were talking about a short story I was like, “I don’t know what I’m doing here.” I was like, “I don’t know what I’m doing here.” I was like, “I don’t know what I’m doing here.” I was like, “I don’t know what I’m doing here.” I was like, “I don’t know what I’m doing here.” I was like, “I don’t know what I’m doing here.” was
wondering why couldn’t I have an opinion on what this story meant, you know, different from the teacher, you know, neither of us wrote the story, you know, there’s no official guide and what it meant or it didn’t mean.
And that was the most offensive thing you could possibly do in that class is to stand up, you know, put your hand up and say, well why doesn’t this story mean this you know yeah um and this level of indoctrination or compliance that people have with authority uh nowadays where they don’t question anything I think comes from that that just those little encroachments that um get programmed into you over 12 years of a
primary education yep – Yep, yep. It’s, I mean, why would we send people away that have stated that they are wanting to,
you know, destroy everything that we hold dear? It’s just, it’s craziness. And that’s what John Dewey said. Here he says, “If the public schools can keep children “occupied from seven or seven three in the morning, “throughout the day with sports or music drama,
“after school and homework in the evening, “the parents will have less than an hour a day with their children and the families and churches influence over them could be broken in about a generation. So he was promoting this,
he was like, this is great, this is what we need to do to make sure that we remove the influence of the parents over their children. Because if the parents are allowed to have any substantial amount of time,
it’s gonna be difficult for us to indoctrinate them in the religion of the state. And so, you know, if you’re gonna send your kid to school all day long and just, you know, spend maybe a half an hour, hour a day saying,
oh, yeah, everything you learned in school today was bad. There’s no way to compete with that, first of all. And then secondly, your child’s going to say, well, then if it’s so bad, why are you sending me there? Am I not valuable enough to be taught correct principles from the start?
And so it’s essential for us to do that. And we have here again, the in the 1800s, the Presbyterian they were building free schools in Utah.
According to their own words, they said, “Our schools unsettled the faith of the children of Mormonism. They were free.” And so a lot of people that wanted not to spend the money would say, “Well, okay, I’m going to send my kids to this school that doesn’t charge me anything.” And so it was designed to take them away from the faith of their fathers.
And these schools developed into churches as a rule. So meaning that, you know, just as a matter of fact, it’s a church. When you are teaching children,
the doctrines, you know, whatever it is of the state of that church, whatever is being taught at that school is a church. It is the Sunday school.
It is the primary of that church. And government, when it teaches you their doctrines. doctrines becomes a church the schools are the entering wedge to split parental opposition through the children so even though this is from the Presbyterians this same principle is true no matter who we’re talking about if you send your kid to a government church school then they are those government schools are churches as a rule and
they’re designed to take them away from you And so we know that government schools are government churches. So if you’re sending your kids to a government school, you are in your you’re sending them off to a different church to be indoctrinated in the religion of the state.
And so it’s important that we make sure that first of all, if, you know, you’re at a position where your your kids haven’t gone to government school yet is to make sure that it never happens. That’s a great way to nullify the indoctrination of the next generation.
The next thing is to never make sure you never register your child for school because once you’ve registered them, they’re in the system and then they can go in there and the rules for homeschooling in your state might be laxed right now,
but just like Egypt and in Israel, they were friendly with Joseph, but as soon as that Pharaoh dies, the next, you know, Pharaoh didn’t favor Israel.
But that’s, you know, sometimes that’s just the way it goes. And so, but at least take your kids out and then help others to understand the importance of never sending their child to government school or pulling their child out.
So it’s important. We’ve seen that in my own state where the last year from school year 2022 to 2023, there was over a thousand kids that removed,
you know, family of parents that removed their kids from the government church. And so that’s a great thing. thing. We want to get those numbers even higher, though. We want to, you know, in a lot of places,
they are closing down schools. Every time I see a government church close down, I am ecstatic. So that’s a great thing. We need to increase. And these are ways to nullify that. So otherwise that that we can nullify.
OK, there are a lot of different things out there. These are just five suggestions of the things that we need to start doing and to kind of give us those ideas. But there are questions. that we can ask ourselves to say,
“Should I nullify this?” And that first question is right, is the government authorized to make this law in the Constitution or in the state or the Union?
Are they given permission? Were they delegated this authority? If they weren’t, then we need to nullify. It’s illegal. In the next question we ask ourselves is if I were to do the same thing the government is doing Would I get in trouble with the government?
Right like for funding government schools if I go to my neighbor and say you give me money to fund my school Or I’m putting you in a cage What I get in trouble and If I would get in trouble for what they’re doing that means I can’t delegate than that authority So that means they don’t have the authority to do that thing The next thing is does obeying that law?
law violate my conscience? If doing the thing that the government has said to do violates your conscience, of course, you should nullify it. You should not obey it. You should not violate your conscience. You should not remove yourself from the spirit and that you should nullify that law.
So with that, hopefully that’ll give you some good starting points to know when we talk about nullification a lot here. And so I wanted to give you guys just a.
some some five key things to to say, OK, I can wrap my head around at least one of these things as I become more comfortable with nullification and the risks involved with nullification,
I can pick one of those things to start engaging in and then based off those principles, those three principles or three ideas, I can find more ways to be able to start getting more and more used to nullifying.
So with that, can we say that we, can we say they were, yes, we can say that they were in the boat. A lot of people,
you know, lose their guns in a boating accident. So those are those are the ways to nullify. So we’re over time real quick. Sorry.
No, you’re good. You said you had 10. Can you just tell us what the other five things were real quicker? Or is that for like another presentation? Yeah, we’ll do that again. I’ll get in the other five. Thank you.
I don’t want to do a spoiler alert, but we’ll definitely go into five more. Hal, Rob, here’s when we have our kids in school and then try to pull them out.
I’m reminded of the single I think it was his name that was up in the singer swaps. Was that who it was with swaps?
Well, the singer and the swap families, both of them. Yeah. Yeah. Is that what are they still doing that if you pull your kids out of school? Different states have different,
you know, rules. And so in Utah, it’s much different today than it was back then. So So for that situation specifically, that problem that arose with them wouldn’t have happened today like it did back then.
But in states like California and New York, it very well could be. There are states like Idaho or Arizona where there are no rules at all.
And so it just kind of depends where you’re at. Hey, Ben, I had a question. Yes, I didn’t get to the Get to my computer fast enough.
I’m working on Christmas gifts. Yeah but um when you were talking about the You know the second amendment that Right to defend ourselves.
Yeah, you know, it’s not just the government that we’re having problems with. It’s corporations, banks, and so on that are cracking down. They won’t let you use your credit card or anything,
at least you can’t, you won’t do this, and then the problems with them. Yeah, private transactions will help you be able to defend your Second Amendment against corporations.
Absolutely. Absolutely. So yeah, we’ve got got more than just the government to watch out for. That’s for and a lot of times it’s the government and corporations working together in tandem for sure.
Yeah, public -private, you know, it sounds like it might be a great idea, but oh dear, fascism. Yep. Alrighty,
well let’s go ahead and close up. We can have a little bit. of What’s it called open forum if you’d like, but let’s go ahead and close up for now and Let’s see here Sal,
would you say the closing prayer for us? Course, thank you Dear father in heaven we’re grateful to be here today and have this lesson from Ben and pray that my spirit will be upon him and his family.
We’re grateful that throughout this whole situation that at least no one was harmed physically and we pray Father in heaven that I’ll give him guidance and the help that he needs in order to bring justice justice to those who have conspired and the secret combination which works against ban and truth and what is right.
We pray also Father in heaven that helped help us to have the courage and the faith to nullify especially where thou wasst have us to do this.
We pray that that will help us to prepare for the future. We pray that thou help us to know how to fight back against the secret combinations.
combinations and against evil and we pray that Thou help us to do what we need to do to protect ourselves from wickedness and from vice.
We pray that Thou teach us about virtue, about truth, about our Savior Jesus Christ. We pray that Thou help us us to know where to find truth and how to find it.
We pray that that will provide a blessing of protection and guidance for all the people in this group and for all truth seekers.
and and our families and their families. We thank Thee for blessing us with so much and we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ.
Amen. Amen. Thank you, Sal.
