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Our dear loving Heavenly Father, we thank you so much for being together, together tonight, like -minded people that love you and that love our country,
Heavenly Father. And we ask that we can all gain something tonight about how we can stand strong against the conspiracy and,
and, and, uh, uh, we know Heavenly Father. that ultimately it’s up to you to bring in the millennium and the reign of Christ Jesus but we thank you so much for being able to support one another and and learn from each other about how we can do what we can to stop these things Father and so just be with us tonight and have thy holy spirit guide and direct us us.
And we ask all these things in Jesus’ name, amen. – Amen. – Amen. – Go ahead, Carmen. – All right, tree of Liberty Society Minutes for December the 18th,
2023. The opening prayer, oh, excuse me, was offered by Pam Klitsch. Ben said there will be no meeting for Christmas day.
And that the book club would be held on Friday. Wednesday book club. Oh, Wednesday would be the book club and Friday would be the boot camp.
About wolves in sheep’s clothing. Ben said he got an email delaying the freedom of information. Act request for another 10 days.
And let’s see, Jay suggested about Ben contacting Jay’s Sheriff Ryan.
Okay, Jay talked about. about the warrant that had been served to allow this no -knock entry.
Jay said that the warrant must be very specific and that’s information to ensure truthfulness. Ben said that they had a high standard to prove.
Alan suggested that they caught them outside of Ben’s house, and maybe they could have found drugs later.
So it’s a good thing they didn’t come in. Ben agreed with that, that the drug, a drug plant was possible. In training,
that day, Ben talked about the top five things to nullify in 2024 and one was the Federal Reserve,
Federal Supremacy, Gun Control, Police State, and indoctrination of the youth, and Alan Alan related an incident when he was in school that he had to comply with the authorities and he didn’t have the right to question the meaning of a story.
Ben said that their goal is to remove the influence of parents over children that government schools is a church. He suggested that people never register their children for school.
He had to, that there are other ways to nullify. Pam Allen talked about the Second Amendment to defending themselves,
that private corporations are working with the government. Ben said it’s called fascism. The closing prayer was offered by Sal. – Wonderful,
thank you. Anybody have any questions or clarifications? – Okay, and who was it that gave the opening prayer this day? – Tonight was Scrancy Gwynne.
– Okay. – Let me know when you’re ready. I’m ready. Okay. Hold on.
I’m got a kid in here. Hold on Sorry about that.
Let’s take a little family thing thing so I want to get you an update on the No knock warrant situation have done about what’s here one two three four five shows on it We’ll be putting them on our on our rumble channel and On the website here coming up this week So you guys can all have a chance to to watch them if you’d like there’s a little bit of an update If you didn’t get the email that went out last
week, they denied, they did the, like it said in the minutes, they postponed it and wanted to get more time on giving it to me and then follow up with that.
They denied it permanently and then a day or two later after that, I get an email from… a guy, some lawyer in St.
George that said that he was able to get a copy of it and it was unreducted. He didn’t tell me how he got it and I haven’t been able to find a link online even so I’m not sure where I found it but he sent that to me and I was able to go through and see basically that they admit in there that they don’t say why but they had been leading up to…
all the different things they had been I’ve been under surveillance so that just you know so I was I’m under surveillance from them go ahead okay and so and so I imagine you know the physical surveillance but if they’re gonna do physical surveillance they’re probably doing electronic surveillance as well and then then they said that because of their surveillance,
they saw the hose coming out of the wall, out of the window. And then based on that, they called the landlord and supposedly allegedly the landlord said that the guy doing the sprinklers for the winterizing the sprinklers said he smelled a quote unquote chemical smell,
or whatever that means. And then see here because of that and the hose and then oh and they said that my electricity bill was more slightly more expensive than my neighbors.
And so because of those three things they said I was clearly a producer of meth and phenomines magic mushrooms and marijuana doubt.
And that I was a danger to the community. and if they didn’t do a no knock warrant that People’s lives would be in danger. And so that that’s basically the excuses that they gave why they needed to to do that So clearly the big thing on that I think is the fact that they’re surveilling me on a constant basis Which also says that we’re all over the right on track.
Otherwise, they wouldn’t be doing that that Any questions I got a comment. Yeah, Jay So,
you know going by what Sheriff Arben up here in Weaver County shared, you know, there there is surveillance that is based on You know patterns,
you know, you know You know an old lady and it pulls up and spends a day with you you it’s probably grandma You know cars that are coming and going every three or four minutes that are there just for a minute or two Those would be something that would lead to You know some suspicion of something nefarious going on,
you know This is just to get even the smell like some random person supposedly said there was a smell like why wouldn’t they have something?
that knows what meth smells like to see if that’s accurate but they didn’t do that. Yeah and you know to me this is just flat out persecution and then have a slap back lawsuit against them you know for not even you know minimal uh evidence free gathering both the warrant things and the yeah and the affidavit for sure and another thing that bothers me me,
that really bothers me is that what is, what businesses of the share market or government to know what our utility bills are. I mean, your family with,
I think you’ve got nine kids living up, you’re going to be using a lot more power than the widow that lives across the street. You know, this is so dumb that they,
they really, really needs to be really need to be countersued and have it hurt really bad I just it just aggravated death. I’m I’m sorry personally because if it’s just the government that’s gonna hurt anybody They need to be personally hurt by this.
Yeah Yeah, and just talking to my sheriff up here and hearing this it just it just shows an out -of -control County share our apartment,
you know district attorney attorney, it’s unbelievable we as citizens should not put up with this kind of crap. I like to stay on here and let’s go use your burner phone right now so they don’t know which one you’re under survey call me later,
you know, just to throw them off. You know, use your telegraph that we have secretly buried in the yard at your house and telegraph me later. I mean, it’s ridiculous. Yeah. Yep.
Thank you. End of rant. Anybody else comments questions, yeah Oh,
and I if you didn’t get the email they also Got a key from the landlord so now they can literally go in the house without Anybody even knowing any time they want to so that’s an interesting predicament as well so When are you moving?
right so You know everything is on the the table and so we got a you got a look at different things of protecting the house, you know if we decide to move protecting the house before the move and then Making sure that there are ways that we can If we move that it doesn’t just They don’t have a way of knowing that I moved or where I moved,
you know, that kind of stuff. So there’s a lot of different things that need to come into play that is very much resource intensive. I’m just astonished that the landlord gave them a key.
I think that the land, you know, landlords in general, they, you know, they don’t want to have things that are expensive fixes. And so, you know, they think, oh, if I don’t give them the key they’re going to bust down the door that’s going to be a thousand dollar fix and so it’s easier for them just to give a you know the key and then if and if and if we are actually our drug dealers then they’re going to want
to get rid of us of course there’s a reasonable property owner would and so I think that’s where they were you know coming from they were being scared by the police well I can understand that Yep.
I got some other dead bolts would take another key, Ben. I can get to you. Okay. Seriously, I think that’s ridiculous. Yeah, it’s pretty crazy. We got some things that we’re working on for sure.
Things that, you know, dead bolts that will be deep enough where you can’t just break through the door frame. so. Um, with just,
I guess, more house cleaning or housekeeping. Last Friday, not this last Friday, but the Friday before, well, the Friday after our last training, we had our last online boot camp for this round.
If anybody would like to have me do a, you know, personal final boot camp, the last class, I’d be glad to either if you’re,
you know, in the Wasatch Front get together with you, or if you’re not in the Wasatch Front to do it online. It’s, you know, it’s more sensitive materials. And so we’re not going to do a public one where we announce it and tell everybody,
but we’re unwilling to, you know, risk it and just do the online of people. can’t come in person. So if that’s something you’re interested in then, please let me know.
But pretty much what the deal was with that is if people have gone through the other classes and they are interested in what we’re doing and wanna see, you know, is it, they’re kind of teetering up, do they become members or not?
You know, let’s go to the final course. And so all of you, thankfully, you know, are members. And so because, you know, we’ve probably already seen a lot of the stuff that we talked about. about. But if it’s something that you haven’t seen or would like to please reach out to me and we will do that.
And then this Wednesday I sent out the email last week but this Wednesday the third because it’s the first Wednesday at seven o ‘clock mountain time we’ll be doing our boot camp. Section four in memoirs illustrating the history of Jacobinism.
Any questions on the book? or the book club? The boot camp or the book club? Ben, did you say that this Wednesday, the Wednesday, the third, you’re going to be doing a boot camp?
Book club. Oh. Sorry. That’s okay. And then if, but if somebody wants to do a boot camp, you know, another time or earlier in the day or,
you know, whatever, they can please reach out to me and be glad to do it. And then we’ll be working. organizing in -person events this year, so I’m working on that. And then we’re also working on a new book,
a reprint. We did training several weeks ago, a couple of months ago, on three questions, kill, no murder, three questions. And so there are some cheesy reprints that we’re just copying.
copy, you know, they just get the scans from Google and they have, there’s one copy, there’s one edition on Amazon that basically just goes scan by Google scan and then, and then put it on,
you know, Amazon. And so what, what I’ve been working on is modernizing the text because it was written in the, you know, late 16, early 1700s.
And so a lot of the, you know, S’s and F’s look. look like F’s and F’s look like S’s, that kind of stuff. And so modernizing the type so it’s easier to read. And that will be something coming out very in the next few weeks.
What’s the name of the book? Kill No Murder, Three Questions. It’s basically about when is it morally okay to take care of tyrants.
tyrants? There’s a book that the Founding Fathers used and understanding, you know, why didn’t they just write sternly written letters to the king?
Why was it time, you know, so understanding those principles that they understood will help us understand, you know, what it is that we’re supposed to do and when it’s okay to do it, that kind of stuff.
So did the books say as soon as they got in their sites? What’s that? So did the book say as soon as you got them in your sites? I got you now.
Not exactly, but you know, so what we’ll be doing is of course we’ll be putting the electronic copy of the book in the member portal. If you would like a physical copy of that’s what we’re gonna do is we’re gonna make it a benefit of membership.
So you’re gonna get a free copy if you request it, and all new members will get copies of it. And so it’ll be a neat new, it’ll be a neat gift for new members and long -time members will get a copy if they want it.
So any questions? – Sounds good to me. – Hey, Ben, I just had a brainstorm. – Okay. before I forget.
How about if I invite Sheriff Arben to guest on one of our 9 o ‘clock meetings one of these days? – Jay, you were cutting out,
and I didn’t hear it was who you wanted to invite. – He wanted to invite his sheriff to come on and talk to us. – Okay. – Maybe before we do that. I’d like to maybe we can do like a freeway zoom call with them and we can chat and And kind of go from there.
How’s that sound jay? That sounds good He’s a cool dude. He’s he’s Like I said before yet you ought to talk to him. I think I just he would be a You know resource.
Yeah Just to get kind of a baseline of what law enforcement does and then You know know That would give a good litmus test to what you’re enduring. Yeah Well You can see I’m not I don’t have my video my camera on I’m not feeling very well I’ve got the shit.
I’ve got the chills and I’ve got muscle aches and the stuffy nose I’m really not feeling good, but so we’re not going to do a what’s it called we’re not going to do open form afterwards and so if anybody has any questions during the training tonight please butt in or put it in the chat and so that way we can make sure and address it before we close off because I’m like I’m not feeling good enough to do a open
form tonight so I apologize but I wanted to make sure that we at least did the training for you guys I didn’t want to have you guys miss two weeks I’m impressed that you didn’t cancel.
You know, you gotta get stuff done. So, let’s see here. You can all hear me though, right? So, this is something I wanted to bring up again.
It’s something I’ve talked about before with Committees of Safety. So, I wanted to bring up some of the issues of other people kind of doing Committees of Safety. right now and why it’s not you know what what some of the issues are and what do we need to make sure what some of the history that we need to understand what are some sources that we can all go to to learn more for ourselves and so I want to go over
that and bring up those things and so the first point of a committee of safety is the fact that there’s no secret to avoiding tyrants acting tyrannically right? We’ve talked about the dangers of of the sovereign citizen movement for an example of,
you know, there are people out there that talk about if they just mail in their driver’s licenses and they renounce their citizenship and the government can’t go after them, or if they have a private license plate on their car,
the government can’t go after them. And so there is no little weird trick that you can do to avoid the tyrants.
It’s, it’s, it’s basically you have to realize that there is risk and be willing to take the risk. And so, you know, some things you’re going to say, yeah, I’m willing to take that risk. And then over here,
you’re going to say, Oh, I’m not willing to take that risk. Does that make sense? Yeah. And so, but we need to understand that there is no, you know, there’s a risk whenever you nullify an unconstitutional order that a tyrant is going to to cause you problems.
No, there’s no way around that. The only way to avoid tyrants acting tyrannically is compliance. If you’re complying, if you’re being left alone, it’s because you’re complying. There are risks to resistance,
but the alternative is slavery of the body and soul. So now we need to understand this principle that was talked about by James Madison in the Federalist papers. He says, will it be sufficient to mark with…
with precision the boundaries of these departments in the constitution of the government and the trust to these parchment barriers against the encroaching spirit of power?
This is the security which appears to have been principally relied on by the compilers of most of the American constitutions, but experience assures us that the efficacy of the provision has been greatly overrated.
overrated. So it’s not you know the idea of a constitution limiting the government doesn’t limit the government if the government doesn’t want to be limited and that some more adequate defense is indispensably necessary for the more feeble against the more powerful members of the government.
So there has to be ways beyond just parchment barriers as they call it just as a piece of paper right the The 10 commandments, they don’t enforce themselves. Just because the Lord wrote,
you know, had Moses write down the 10 commandments, doesn’t mean people obey it. And just because the Founding Fathers wrote down the Constitution, doesn’t mean would be tyrants are going to obey it. And so we need to look at other ways that you use to enforce the Constitution and the principles that it’s based upon.
He says, James Madison continues as the conclusion which I am warranted in drawing from these observations is that a mere demarcation on parchment of the constitutional limits of the several departments is not a sufficient guard against those encroachments which lead to a tyrannical concentration of all the powers of government in the same hands.
And so that’s really why they gave us, they made sure. sure to include a prohibition on government controls of self -defense.
So what they had before and after for over, you know, for almost 100 years were different by different names,
basically what they are were mutual defense associations known as committees of safety. Thank you. and other names, right? So a committee of safety is defined as a mutual self defense association that also operates as a parallel government.
And so the whole idea is what? The whole idea of a committee of safety is the fact that the consent of the government of the governed,
right? It is the you as an individual consent or don’t consent to the government to be governed. And so you have the God given right to have a government that will enforce your natural rights.
And so a committee of safety isn’t in the traditional sense of that is a part of the government. It is the most pure kind of self -government where it is just the people.
It is a parallel government to what’s established as a check and a balance against a out -of -control government. Does that make sense? Any questions? Historically,
they were known under a variety of names, yet their function was exactly the same, to pull manpower into… in defense of the community and legitimize a self -organized government based on natural law,
okay? So the idea of it was to get people together in a geographic area, to be able to defend their rights against anyone that would try to strip them away.
And so to be able to make these effective, this is a principle that we’ve talked about and I just wanna bring it around again, Orson Spencer, going forward. to the feds explaining this idea of everybody together in a government has to be on the same page.
Otherwise you have problems he says and we will lay down the following principle which the friends of national to national union may do well to consider the principle is this that men of congenial interests meaning friendly interests should separate themselves from those of adverse interests and pair off each to each.
. So you’ve got people that are moral, they, you know, they’re going to get together the moral people, the religious people that and then over in another area, you’re going to have the the people that are involved in debauchery and they’re going to have their own government because you can’t have them together.
He says the promiscuous inner mixture of heterogeneous bodies for the purpose of unity and strength is a like distant both from pure religion and sound philosophy. What What we have today,
and I’m going to do a training on the melting pot coming up, but we’re brainwashed to believe in this idea of the melting pot, where we have all these people from different backgrounds coming together for the common good.
And that is that is the antithesis of liberty. That is throughout time. That is not how people remain free.
free. You have to have people of like mind gathered together because if you give people government, you know, government is not eloquence. It is force like Washington says,
and it is a dangerous master and a fearful servant. And so you can’t have people that disagree on the power of government coming together. Otherwise,
you’re going to have the situation that we have today and the conspiracy knows that, which is why they perpetuate the idea of a melting pot of different people coming together from different backgrounds to come together under one government because they want tyranny.
And that is one of the major steps towards tyranny. And so what is the legitimacy of the Committee of Safety? We have the consent of the government, I mentioned. The Committees of Safety were legitimized by associations composed of the individuals within a defined geographical area.
And so I want to talk about the importance of a defined geographical area. We have if you’re under attack right now, right? What good is a few dozen people dozens or even hundreds of miles away?
You probably all seen one of those, you know, pro -second amendment memes. or videos where, you know, it says something along the lines of, you know, when, when, when your life is,
you know, under attack, the police are just minutes, you know, when seconds count, the police are just minutes away. So the same thing here, if, if we,
you know, if we had a committee of safety and the only people, you know, that were willing to defend each other’s rights, you had one in, you know, Utah County and somebody else up in Idaho and somebody else over in Oregon or you had two or three,
you know, in the Wasatch Front. How are they going to help each other in like the situation that I had? It’s going to be over by the time anybody shows up. And so it’s got to be geographic.
The, you know, the very few examples of it working in that way. You have like the Bundy’s down in Nevada where the worked much better than it did up in Oregon because an Oregon worked a little bit for the same reason,
just how it did work well, was in the same way that it worked in Nevada, where the government didn’t use full force at first, right? They were given time to accumulate people,
but that’s not always gonna be the case. There was no time for me in my circumstance to accumulate people. It was just there. and they were there and there was nothing I could do about it. And so for the average need of defense,
you have to be within, you know, a very, very short distance away. Brigham Young said that cities should be no more than 30 ,000 people and that they should be roughly at least five miles apart from each other.
There should be five miles of like far farmland between cities and that helps with a lot of different things. But if a city is 30 ,000 people or less, then that’s a geographic area where you’re going to have,
you know, a good amount of people that are going to be able to defend each other against, you know, in an emergency, whether that emergency is because of a tyrannical government or because of a blood or,
you know, whatever that is, committees of safety aren’t just for tyrannical governments. They’re They’re to be able to help each other out because government’s role isn’t to help you out during a catastrophe.
That is your job as an individual. And so you can’t delegate that power to somebody else. And so it’s an illegitimate mode of government. And so committees of safety are there to be able to help people with your own free will and choice.
And so to be able to do that, you have to be in a relatively, you know, -10 mile geographic area. – 30 ,000 unique number.
Isn’t that the number of people supposed to be represented by someone in Congress? – I can’t remember. That sounds about right.
But I don’t remember. I’m sorry. Got a fried brain today. – All right. All right. That dang congestion medicine does that. Well, my wife’s got some good natural path stuff that I’m using,
and it’s working actually better than most, but still just being sick. Yeah, things straight. So when you need to help now, your fellow defenders are only hours away,
right, if they’re in that situation. And so we have to be in a situation where we are in a different defined geographic area. And these associations were comprised of the rank and I I’m sorry for my misspelling rank and file not random.
I don’t know what random file means but rank and file membership who received protection and who in turn gave their individual explicit consent to their particular local committee of safety to protect them and their rights right so it’s if you’re a part of the committee of safety,
you are agreeing to provide the means for individuals to be able to protect your rights. And then also they provide the means for you to protect their rights. And so it’s and that’s another reason why it’s got to be in a geographic area because each geographic area is going to have different needs.
So committees of safety are first and foremost expressions of mutual age, and that’s why it’s got to be in a geographic area because each geographic area is going to have different needs. any circumstance. No man is an island since we are all in this together, so the question is not how will we survive,
but rather how will we survive, how will we all survive together? So a committee of safety is an organization model by which to coordinate the assemblage of men and material in preparation for a disaster.
So disasters are very broad terms. There was in Japan yesterday, a giant earthquake. And so if they had committees of safety, they’d be able to get and help each other much faster than if they were all just waiting for the government to come in and help them.
Given that committees of safety were used during two successful wars for independence as well as others with varying degrees of success. We have the 1775 American War for Independence. You have 1835,
Texas war. for Independence. In the 1840s, you have the Novel Legion with varying degrees of success. In the 1860s, you have the War for Southern Independence that also used committees of safety.
And so now it’s important to not just, you know, that we don’t want these things to be flashes in the pan, right? They just, they start up and then go away. So committees of safety, we have to understand are invaluable.
invaluable even in the absence of emergencies They need to be perpetually supported They are limited they are limited form of government which is directly accountable to the people within a local community The committee men are susceptible to public shaming and ostracism should they abuse their powers some I’ve been talking about One of the ways that we get people in government to do the right thing is you shame them
publicly And the more local they are, the easier it is to help them to have their consciences pricked when you publicly shame them for being tyrants.
In the state of Utah, where I live, just for an example, we have two major problems with local police. We have more than that, but I’ll focus on two right now.
The first one is last year, the year before. the legislature passed a law saying that non -citizens could be made police in the state of Utah. And then the other issue is along the same lines is most people that are police in your city don’t live in your city.
And so they have no sense of accountability to you. Their only sense of accountability is to their paycheck. And so, again, committee of safety is going back to the people in a geographic area,
they’re going to be susceptible to that. So if police had to be citizens and they had to be people that lived in a geographic area, that they were patrolling,
you know, we did a train before, I don’t really believe in the traditional, the police departments that we know in the last 100 years. years. We’ll say that. And we can see the problems that have come from that.
But if they were all in your local community and they were doing something bad, you could easily get them to turn around. And then everyone holding them accountable before they get out of control is what keeps their power limited.
And so let’s look at some of the history of committees of safety. We have the committees of safety are pre -constitutional. So, you know, you might have somebody say all committees of safety. They’re not in the Constitution Well,
you know neither is gravity doesn’t matter, you know, that’s it’s a it’s the exercise of natural of your natural right Extending as far back as the English Civil War the mid 17th century in its current forms But we also see them throughout the scriptures.
So you go for the last, you know, two four four thousand five thousand years years and we can see them all throughout time. We look at First Kings,
chapter 18, it says in Elijah said unto them, so let me just kind of back up, give you some context. You have Elijah and the priest of Baal. Baal, B -A -A -L, I don’t know how you pronounce it,
but you know what I’m talking about. And so the priest of Baal, weren’t actually like priests of a different church. The priest of Baal were actually the leaders of… the church at that time of Israel,
right? And so they were teaching the Israelites to worship false gods and because of their positions, they were able to have influence to get the members of the church to worship false gods.
And so you have Elijah coming and saying, you know, we’re going to have this duel, this contest, where you guys have a pile of wood. I’ve got a a pile of wood and you guys pray and get your your god to light this pile of wood on fire And then I’m gonna and so after you do that okay hours and hours go by and oh look at that Your gods couldn’t like the pile of wood on fire now what I’m gonna do is I’m gonna
put barrel after barrel of water on My wood and then I’m gonna pray and oh look at that Even with all that water on there The true god lit it on fire and So this is the result afterwards and Elijah said unto them that repented after they saw this and said Take the prophets of Baal Let not one of them escape and they took them and Elijah brought them down to the brook of Kishon and Slew them there So Elijah told
his base his group of people that we’re getting together to hold the government accountable and And and took care of business and then we have Whoops in Second Chronicles chapter 23 starting in verse 14 it says then I Can’t pronounce that G.
Whoida the priest Joeida the priest So leader again of the church out brought out the captains of hundreds that were set over the host and said unto them,
have her fourth of the ranges and whoso followeth her, let him be slain with the sword. Then all the people went to the house of Baal and break it down and break his altars and his images and pieces and slew matten the priest of Baal before the altars.
So again, you got a righteous priest, giving people together. to hold government accountable. Second Chronicles 25 verse 27,
now after the time that a messiah did turn away from following the Lord, they made a conspiracy against him. This is one of those good conspiracies in Jerusalem and he fled to Lachish,
but they sent to Lachish after him and slew him there. So another example of individuals individuals in the community getting together to hold government accountable. Then we have D &C 101,
the Strength of Mine House. This is the parable in section 101. And the Lord of the Vineyard said unto one of his servants, Go and gather together the residue of my servants, and take all the strength of mine house,
which are my warriors, my young men, and they that are of middle age, also among all my servants who are the strength of mine house, save those only whom I have appointed to tarry or to stay.
Okay, so gather everybody together, except for those, you know, that are the strength of my house. So, you know, those people that are part of these committees, basically, who are, and then except for those that are told to stay. And those that are told to get together,
go ye straight away on the land of my vineyard and redeem my vineyard for it is mine. I have bought it with money. Therefore, get ye straight away unto my land, break down the walls of my enemies,
throw down their tower, and scatter their watchmen. Again, committees, local groups of individuals, gathering together, take their business.
As much as they gather together against you, avenge me of mine enemies that by and by may come with the residue of minehouse and possess the land. Then the DNC 103,
following up, says, “Inasmuch as mine enemies come against you to drive them away.” you from my god my goodly land Which I have consecrated to be the land of Zion even from your own lands after these testimonies Which you have brought before me against them you shall curse them and then so ever you curse I will curse and he shall avenge me of my enemies and My presence shall be with you even in avenging me of my
enemies unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me So when you have them, when you avenge God of his enemies, what does that mean? There’s 27. Let no man be afraid to lay down his life for my sake,
or who so layeth down his life for my sake shall find it again. And so the context of this, of course, is your sacrament, you know, just like the founding fathers said in the Declaration of Independence that they are putting on the altar their lives,
their fortunes, and their sacred honors. honors and their sacred honor and So these scriptures talking about the same thing as a vending of the Lord’s enemies is holding people accountable and being willing to Put the risk like I mentioned the beginning to sacrifice your own life if need be So We mentioned their constant the pre -constitutional And so during the American and Texas wars for independence committees of safety
were crucial for organizing resistance efforts against the British. And so there’s this book called Texas the Lone Star State by Rupert Richardson that talks about,
about how important these committees of safety were for Texas’s war for independence. He says,
similar to the committees of the 1770s, organizations, some of which were originally formed. for protection against Indian raids, existed during the Texas evolution. So again, right?
I mentioned earlier that there’s different examples of why a committee would exist outside of just, excuse me,
out of just government. You have protecting against Indian raids, you have natural disasters, all kinds of different reasons for them. Without them, the colonists could not have been aroused to the point of resistance or have been organized with any degree of effectiveness.
Before the end of the summer of 1835, apparently every precinct had such an organization. So every single precinct in Texas had a committee of safety. So precincts,
especially since we’re not, you know, our cities are bigger than 30 ,000, if you are to create your committee of safety within a precinct, that’d be a much better idea.
They’d be people in your direct area. That’s where you’d want to start is looking at the geographical boundaries of your precinct. And so Johnny Hancock in 1775 talked about the creation of a committee.
This is a statement that he, you know, this is a declaration that he made in creating a committee of safety specifically. He said, whereas the preservation of our country from slavery depends under God,
an effectual execution of the continental and provincial measures for that purpose.” So again, under God, we cannot forget God’s role in these things.
If we just depend on ourselves and our own power, we are going to be toast. We have to be on God’s side, and we need to have a distinction between asking him to be on our side and then but and then on the other side is no,
we don’t want him on our side. We want to look at our lives and say are we on his side. So that way we’re acting according to correct principle. We’re not asking him to violate principle to come to us.
And so he continues on he says resolve that there be now appointed for each county. in this colony because the counties were you know Smaller back east a committee consisting of five persons any three of whom to be a quorum So he wasn’t talking about you just need you know,
you need hundreds of people He’s like yeah in your county if you got five people together that Want to do this that is a committee of safety and if three of the five of you get together You that’s like that’s enough to be able to make decisions Okay,
can you go upstairs? Thank you. So and whereas some towns and districts in the colony may be destitute of so excellent institution as committees of correspondence, resolve that it be and it hereby is strongly recommended to such towns and districts,
forthwith to choose them and to afford them assistance at all times and effectively suppressing the efforts of the enemies of America whenever they shall make them. And so he said,
these are just really important. So we need to make sure that we are working within our communities, starting off with precincts to make sure we have at least five people in a community to be able to assist each other in the case of an emergency.
So establishing your own own committee, find two other people within a geographic area you feel would be close enough to provide perfection. So start off with that three, that would be a quorum, you know, five,
three to five. Then we start to build the understanding of your neighbors so that you can then identify those that would be friendly and unfriendly to such an association. So you don’t want to just,
you know, all of a sudden put a flyer around your neighborhood saying, you know, I’m putting together a committee of safety to defend our community. against a tyrannical government, you’re going to have a people that are like clueless as to what the heck you’re talking about.
And then B, you’re going to have people that are status that are going to be upset that you’re trying to stop tyrannical government. And so before you even, you know, if you don’t know them, the first thing you do in your precinct is to just kind of start building their understanding and sharing articles,
sharing videos. videos with cover letters and what not to talk to them and to build the camaraderie and the understanding of three to five people. That should be something that we can all do within a precinct or even our county if need be.
Our counties are too big. I would stick to precincts or cities. One of your first projects should then be constructing an early warning system. So, if you’re trying to think of something, what we’re going to do is,
we start when we’ve got our three to five people together? You start off with figuring out how are you going to warn each other or ask for help. And so in different areas,
that’s going to be different, you know, different methods. And so that’s something that you people in your committee, your own committee, are going to decide for yourselves what’s the best way to handle that.
And then we see here on the member portal some two key documents to learning more about Committees of safety because we really just scratched the surface on this go to the bottom of the member portal And you have there you have Sons of Liberty history and click on that That’s a PDF of a great paper on the committees of safety And then you have another one from 1909.
So an early history, earlier histories are always better where it goes through. And that’s one that I actually marked up myself. And so you can see what notes and, you know, highlights that I made personally on there.
And so just some more history on committees, before committees were even in the, in the,
colonies before they are even started It started with this insularity conspiracy or good People working in secret because they knew that their lives were on the line We’re called the loyal night and so we don’t have because their papers were so secret We don’t have all of the you know names of the individuals involved.
We just know that they existed existed and some of the things that they did. And so as an example, you have Samuel Adams who whenever he saw, he thought he was gonna be arrested,
he started burning papers that he had. And so there’s a lot of information that we don’t have because they acted to, he says, “If I’m gonna be arrested, I’m not gonna be responsible for implicating any of my friends.” And so that’s something that we don’t have.
you know we all need to have that kind of dedication where we’re not going to rat each other out. We’re willing to go to jail and do what it takes to make sure that you know anybody else in our committee isn’t implicated because we were sloppy.
Loose lips sink ships so to say. So with that, we can open it. We got 10 minutes for question and answer.
and then we’ll, we’ll let you go comments, questions. Who’s the judge that signed the paper for the no knock work.
Thomas low of Utah’s fourth district court. Thomas low. Well, who was. one of the policemen that showed up at your house?
>> So you got the detective and then you got the sheriff. So it goes to the detective at his supposed work, and then he gives it over to the sheriffs if they follow protocol.
The sheriff goes through and make sure that he did that. Then after that, [BLANK _AUDIO] it goes to the judge and they say oh yeah we we we checked each other’s you know we dotted all the i’s and crossed all the t’s and um and so the judge says okay you know we did that so hold on real quick um more I’m gonna pull up I can’t remember the the lead detective’s name okay well okay um Detective Jay Mortensen Mortons
Mortensen of Utah County Major Crimes Task Force. One of my beliefs, and that’s so it don’t mean anything is to get people stimulated to join these committees of safety is every time we discuss things.
I used to make a joke out of the problems in the world. I’d say, well, it’s Barack Obama. Obama and Dale Henry and Escalante. You know,
I think if we bring, like Barry Hutchinson, the county attorney in Garfield County, Reed and Wilcox, the two judges in Washington County,
if we bring those people up, then all of a sudden there’s more people going, oh yeah, now I’ve heard that they’re kind of, of jerks. Then these,
right? As I talked about how it’s important to shame them publicly. Yeah, we’ve got to really go through that and and make sure that people know these names.
The guy that killed uh, La Boy Finnecombe that that name needs to be propped up all the time just because they dropped the case. Did we find out the name?
I thought they were looking for it and didn’t ever get it Oh but yeah yeah, I I thought that uh, well last time I talked to Mrs.
Finnecom I thought they knew the name and they’d have a public uh a thing on me uh, but those names have got to be [coughing] at the top of our communications and I don’t do it.
Well, that’s something that we can all do is if you guys have names of individuals and their dossiers like what have they done to send them to me and then have a place on the website where you know the good the bad and the ugly where we can put it on there.
So that way. Having these, you know, people publicly shamed. Because I think it’s. if we did that, these communities, the safety would be.
You know, we need 5. 5 looks kind of rough. I know that. I belong to a group that’s trying to practice. Just a common law and 20,
25 people holding accountable. It’s you almost need 500, 600 you need. that’s because they’re not, that’s because they’re not following the,
the example there, common law is again, that thing I was talking about, with the problems of like the sovereign citizen stuff. And that’s another example of citizen problems,
where they’re like, Oh, we put this, if they don’t have a way to enforce it, it’s useless. If they’re not willing to enforce it, it’s useless. But I, I’m a firm believer that that especially after someone mentioned you shine the light on these tyrannical jerks or just like cockroaches.
I lived in Arizona for a while, I know what a damn cockroach when you turn the lights on. And I’m a firm believer if we use these names,
bring these names out, show these names. We’re gonna get like -minded people that’s probably had the same problems, who are influential in getting more people.
And those questions asking, “When someone’s running for politics, did you support the shutdown? Did you support the kids?” Because they can lie or they can like wiggle around.
“Oh, I didn’t support it.” it did they like a sheriff did they arrest the governor did they arrest any county official that issued an illegal order you know did they arrest people or violating people’s you know god give rights and so you know if they if they wheeze along they’re like I didn’t support it I didn’t you know I didn’t enforce the mandates well it doesn’t take a stand against it yeah you gotta you gotta
stay you gotta do something not just be passive You was the representative. You should have done something. They were in the position to actually hold people accountable. That’s their job. Yeah.
Okay, I’m taking up too much time. I’ll go back to silence. Well, I’m gonna, I know we’re about four minutes early,
but I’m still not, I’m, you know, talking for the last 45 minutes has worn me out. and I’m sick so I’m going to call tonight thank you all for being on tonight and it’s great to see you reach out if you have any questions that I do please please contact me goodnight goodnight Ben it’s a
