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– Give the opening prayer, I’d appreciate it. – Yeah. – Thank you. – Okay,
our living Heavenly Father, we thank you so much for being able to gather together with people of like hearts and like minds tonight and discuss the important things about how we can stand up for liberty.
how we can stand up for thy principles of freedom and agency, and how we can do our own little part to regain that in our lives and encourage other people to do the same.
And we ask that will be with Ben tonight in his presentation and please stimulate our minds. to ask questions that need to be answered.
And we ask all these things, Father, in thy Son Christ Jesus’ name, amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Francine. Yes, please. We need more questions. I like that.
Thank you. Carmen, if you’re ready for the minutes for last week. Minutes for Monday, January 22, 2021. 2024.
The opening prayer was offered by Alan C. And Ben talked about the April event coming up and meant more specifics for letter times.
He needs to have, you can see this, they need the cards, books,
books, DVDs, donations, contact band to volunteer. There was a new member on from England and also from Canada that night.
So that was cold. Training was recognizing political theater and avoid being sucked into it. Conspiracy understands psychological attacks.
attacks. Mike Lee was mentioned and giving the Disney to conspiracy programs. John Huntsman endorsed Mike Lee. They continue on the path of the international agenda.
In the 1980s, Ronald Reagan, theater, they were always attacking him and he was shown as anti -establishment and our short memories don’t show the real record.
Talked about Ron Paul Fiasco, how they ignored and refused to mention him. When they don’t like you,
they ignore you. Attacks and praise are the same in political theater. The enemy understands. Dance and praise are the same in political theater.
talked about the Uncle Remus cartoon that Disney put out how they were throwing rare rabbit into the briar pass. It’s a principle of false opposition.
Samantha said it was reverse psychology, knee jerk reaction, they do just the opposite and it works with children and adults alike. alike. Ben quoted Carol Quigley saying that the two parties should be almost identical.
The human being is an economic creature. They only care about the pocket books. Brigham Yam said we will exalt the standard of liberty and make our own laws.
Amisa Lyman said the kingdom of of God should break the kingdoms of the world into pieces.” When people fear the government, there is tyranny.
When the government fears the people, there is no tyranny. Bobby commented on economic stupidity. Joyce Mitchell said,
“She wants to support Lyman and ask some more questions.” Ben said that going to the We should break the kingdoms of the world into pieces. caucus could help and it is valuable to do that.
Joyce Mitchell said we should see what principles they support and Ben said they’ll tell you what you want to hear. Micah said it’s always the time going to Republican anything.
He cited his stint as a precinct chair as proof of fraud. He said he realized it was a complete waste of time. Ben said,
trying to fix it is a waste of time. It’s better to explain correct principles. The closing prayer was offered by Pamela Ellen.
– Wonderful, thank you. – I’m ready. – Do you have any questions or corrections or anything? anything? And we’ll go ahead and move on from there.
Appreciate it. As always, Carmen. You’re very welcome. Okay, so make sure I’ve…
I’ve Sorry we’ve got I’ve been working on the boot camps and I just wanted to give you guys an update been editing the videos and Setting up online so very with by the end of this week So just kind of watch for your email watch the website for when the boot camp will be available We’re going to have all of the classes on the website up to class six with at the end of class six and invitation for individuals to
reach out and say, I would like, you know, schedule with me a time to come to my home or schedule a time to go over zoom to do the final solutions class. But each but the the whole process,
it’ll be like a classroom setting. basically on the website where they, it’s, it’s set up where they get to, it’s like a course, like an online course where they go through each one and it marks off when they finished and then at,
at the end of each class, it will have, um, a question, like a comprehension questionnaire. And, um, so that the bootcamp, um, I’m finishing up actually tonight.
I’ll be finishing up the, uh, the final one that we have recorded. recorded and then we’ll be putting it up this week. And so by Friday, no later than Friday, we’ll have the entire bootcamp up on the website for you to retake again if you’d like to,
to take for the first time if you’ve never been through, to share with your friends and encourage them to come on. It’s, it will be totally free. It’s something that we want to build understanding and because of support from members and people that.
you know, just want to support what we’re doing. It helps bring about more understanding and we want to build that understanding. So, any questions on the bootcamp or how to share it or anything like that?
How do I work? Okay. No questions. Okay. Well,
maybe you’ll have some as a go. goes up and feel free to reach out to me if there’s anything I can do to help out See here make sure I have that.
No, okay More info as it becomes available on the Constitution Party thing where we have the the table at coming up in April I’m waiting to get hold of the members member of the Tree of Liberty Society that invited us and got us a table there to see what kind of numbers we should be expecting.
So we know, you know, kind of how much material that we’re going to need there so I’ll just keep everybody posted on on the hours and how much you know we’re going to need there and when we’ll need you if you’re available to help out again for anybody that missed last time it’ll be in April.
I don’t have the dates in front of me, I apologize, but it’ll be on the Friday and the Saturday Constitution parties having their national convention, so it’s not their state convention. All of their members from all of the country will be coming to Salt Lake,
so this will be a really good opportunity for us to get in front of some folks that believe in limited government and the Constitution, so that’d be great. Okay,
let’s go ahead and we’ll go ahead and get started and get going on our nights meeting. Alrighty,
so I’ve been showing this for the past several weeks. I’ll be showing it for a while now. I just I want to make it something that we don’t forget about and it’s something that’s on our minds.
And so when we’re ready for it, that we’re, it’s being brought to your attention. We want to, it’s really important. I want to, I’m hoping that we can all catch the vision of the importance of these books for our efforts to be able to move the needle forward in restoring lost liberty,
helping people to understand the conspiracy. that we face. And so we’re, again, like I mentioned before, we are making it so it’s hopefully as easy as possible for you to get it.
It’s a 10 % off on volumes one and two if you buy five or more copies. Also, if you get all three of these books, it’s only $23,
which is, what is it? what is that? It’s about eight bucks off the total cost if I remember correctly. And so we’re just trying to give you a discount if somebody’s willing to get the whole package at once or if somebody’s working to make sure that they’re helping you with your efforts to distribute the books,
trying to make it as big of a discount as we can give you. And so I wanted to let you know on on the books to with the shipping. It’s a flat rate. So no matter how many books you get the shipping doesn’t change.
It’s a flat $5. And so you also save money by buying multiples at a time as well through shipping because it doesn’t change. And so, which also means that the more you buy the time it helps us as well because our shipping goes down per copy when you buy more as well.
well. So it’s very helpful and I really, if you haven’t read these volumes yet, I really think that if you do take the time to do so,
we have of course the PDF for members to check out and kind of get, you know, am I really willing to stick my neck out there and try to get this book out to more folks and so you can read it on the website in the member portal.
and I think that if you do, you will catch the vision and you’ll want to get this book out to more folks as well. So any questions on the books or our distribution or anything like that?
Again, as always, feel free to type any questions or comments in the chat as well. We’ll get that afterwards. Okay, if no, no comments or questions. I wanted to to go over training tonight where we’re talking about doing and not just hearing about this.
This is something that I mentioned the phrase of info junkie a lot. And I think this is, you know, meaning an info junkie is someone that’s just wanting the latest gossip basically about what’s what’s going on behind the scenes with no intention of doing anything with the information with with,
you know, basically the idea if you, you know, like a junkie, if, you know, if it’s not the newest thing, if it’s not, if it’s old news, it’s not something that they care about.
If it’s, you know, oh, I already heard that, who cares? It’s not about just getting the latest and greatest news. It’s about building your understanding. And so that then with that understanding, that increased understanding,
you can now be more effective in what your actions are. and so with that I You know, I need to repent of something that I’ve said a lot in training or at public events If you like hopefully like that picture it’s really something that I’ve said and that it’s it’s wrong and I shouldn’t have said it and I’m hoping to to repent of it tonight as I go through things And this is the thing that I that I say that I
was wrong to have said said is, people will say, well, if we do these things, won’t we get in trouble? And so sometimes I’ll say, well, that’s kind of what I, my job is,
is to be the face. And so that you don’t, so that the average member doesn’t have to worry about that. And you don’t have to worry about the consequence of sticking your neck out because I’m the guy that’s gonna do that.
that. And that’s wrong. I shouldn’t have done that. It is a disservice to you and a disservice to me. And it’s something that also takes, you know,
the responsibility that we all need to be taking and upon ourselves. And, you know, it was always said and kind of the idea of, yeah,
we all chip in and there’s a guy that’s like myself is kind of is the face of of it And so that hopefully takes away some of the The brunt of the abuse that government might have on you because you’re not being the face But if we’re not doing the right thing Because we’re afraid of the consequence of it then that’s wrong and so I shouldn’t have Given anybody an out to not want to do the right thing thing.
Or if there’s somebody that doesn’t, you know, they need an excuse to to support what we’re doing. And that’s because they don’t want to they’re afraid to do the right thing.
And so they’re like, OK, you know, I will ease my conscience and give you ten dollars, twenty five dollars a month. And that my my conscience is eased. I don’t have to do anything. That’s that’s wrong.
And I shouldn’t have. supported that. I shouldn’t have given an excuse for that. You know, when people say, won’t I get in trouble? Won’t, you know, couldn’t, if I expose this or if I help to do this,
I should say, we should just be bold and we should say yes. But that’s the right thing to do and that’s the consequence of doing the right thing. And so that’s really what I want to really carbonize.
We all do have a responsibility. We all believe so. So I want to go over the scriptures that talk about our responsibility to Warner neighbors and what the consequences are and what that means. And so in the New Testament,
we go to Acts, chapter 20, verse 31, the Apostle Paul says, “Therefore watch and remember that by the space of three years I cease not to warn everyone night and day with tears.” And so he was talking to the saints right writing to the saints,
telling them that don’t forget what I’ve been doing for the past, you know, what is it, three years is I’ve not just been warning you, but I’ve been talking about these things I’ve not ceased,
and I’ve done it with such ferventness that I’ve done it with tears, that it’s sincere, and then I’ve worked hard to do it. And so that’s an example that I believe that we need to follow.
that’s this is the example that has been set that we all need to people need to see us and to say yes I you know I have been you have been someone that has been um ceasing not to warn for a long time in Ezekiel chapter 3 verse 18 we read when I say under the wicked thou shalt surely die and thou give us him not warning nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way to save his life.
The same wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at thine hand. And so when we’ve been warned about something and we don’t share that with other people.
It’s a mutual consequence. It’s a mutual. There’s the person for doing the wrong thing. has the natural consequence, but us not sharing the information,
the warning to them, we are partly responsible for the actions that they committed because we stayed silent. We are seeing here very clearly that if we don’t give them that warning,
that his blood will be required in our hands, and that’s something that we see throughout the scriptures that will not be given. we when we don’t warn our neighbor that our neighbor’s blood is required in our hands. That’s not something that I want.
And I don’t want to take that away from you either. Like, why would I? That’s not fair to me to say that I will do all of that. So now, but that would mean then if I take all of the risk on myself and you’ve been warned.
But I’m saying I’m the face to take all the brunt. That means the blood is still on your hands because because I’m saying you don’t have to go out there and warn people about what’s going on. And then that would mean because you’ve been warned that now the blood is on your on your hands as well.
And that’s not right. It says in verse 19, it says, “Yet if thou warned the wicked, and he turned not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity,
but thou hast delivered thy soul.” So you’ve done your job. You’ve warned and they decided not to heed your warning. Now it’s completely your clean and everything there that they did is on them.
It’s their full responsibility. You’ve removed that your garments are clean from their blood. And further on in Ezekiel 33 verse 3 it says,
says, “If when he seeeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet and warn the people. Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet,
and taketh not warning, if the sword come and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.” He heard the sound of the trumpet and took not warning,
his blood shall be upon him. him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.” So, right? Of course. Just like with Nineveh, when Jonah went out to warn them,
they heeded Jonah’s warning, and so they saved themselves. And so if they hear the warning and they heed the warning, they can deliver their own soul. But if the watchmen see the sword come and blow not the trumpet,
and the people be not warned. if the sword come and take any person from among them. He is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.
So as people that have been warned, our blood is required as watchmen if we don’t do our job of warning sounding that that trumpet.
And And sometimes that can be very difficult because it’s not as obvious. And there are people that are, you know, in a situation where you see your neighbor’s house burning down,
it’s easy for you to say, oh my goodness, your house is on fire, you need to come out. And, you know, that’s not, nobody’s going to attack you for doing, you know, for helping them out.
And we need to treat, really think of what we’re doing in that way, even though we– know that there are people that aren’t gonna like our message, we need to know the seriousness of it. Can you imagine saying, “Oh, I don’t wanna bother them.
Their house is burning down.” And, you know, they might not like being disturbed because it’s their dinner time or they might be in the middle of a nap. I don’t wanna disturb them. And so I’m not gonna warn them about their house being on fire.
And they die. That hurt, their blood is gonna be on your hands ’cause it’s gonna be on your hands. you could have done something and didn’t do it and The same thing with what we’re talking about with what we’re doing and what’s going on in the world and we’re becoming informed about it We don’t let others know about it.
We are accountable for that for what happens in The doctrine covenant section 123 Verse 11 it says and also it is an imperative duty that we owe to all the rising general and to all the pure in heart.
For there are many yet on the earth among all sex, parties and denominations who are blinded by the subtle craftiness of men, whereby they lie and wait to deceive and who are only kept from the truth because they know not where to find it.
Okay, so there are lots of people out there that are, you know, they are blinded by the subtle craftiness of men and who are only kept from the truth because they know not where to find it. been raised and gone to government school and so they’ve been taught incorrect things and don’t know that it’s incorrect. Right.
They’ve watched the media and they they’ve learned things that are incorrect from the news. And so, but they’re, but they are essentially they are. What’s the word that he uses?
They’re just, you know, they’re pure in heart as in verse 11. They’re pure in heart. heart But they are only kept from the truth because they don’t know where to find it That’s the only reason why they are not seeing the truth.
They just don’t know where to look and So we have a responsibility Therefore that we should waste and wear out our lives in bringing to light all the hidden things of darkness Where and we know them and they are truly manifest from heaven heaven.
These should then be attended to with great earnestness. And so I’m sorry,
I’ll get to your comments. I can’t read them during the thing, but I’ll get to them after we’re done. But if anybody has a comment, please interrupt. interrupt. Somebody have something they wanted to share?
Let’s try to make sure. Let’s see if there’s who’s on… Oh, okay, there we go. And so it’s just, as we look at this, we can see that, yeah, there are people out there that would be able,
they would accept the truth if they just knew where to find it. And so if we understand what’s going on, we have a responsibility to then waste and wear our lives. Just like Paul said,
where he’s like three years, with tears, I told everybody what was going on. Wasting and wearing out our life to expose this. And so that people that are pure in heart that don’t know where to find it know,
have at least an opportunity to be able to do so because we were willing to take the action, not be just a hear of the word, but a doer as well is just a vital importance.
DNC 88 81. it says, “Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, “and it becomeeth every man who hath been warned “to warn his neighbor.” That what this isn’t,
you know, and there is some context with some of these. You see the stuff in Ezekiel about battles and stuff that are going on, and some of them are religiously speaking, but it’s a principle that applies to everything.
If they’re, what we are dealing with, with on a global scale and on the local level with this conspiracy is something that needs to be warned about. And everyone on this call has been warned.
And so we have a duty to warn our neighbor about what’s going on. That’s the action that we have to take. Therefore, they are left without excuse and their sins are upon their own head.
So that’s the whole thing again. Their sins are partly on our head. head if we are quiet and don’t say anything about it. That’s pretty for a.
So sometimes when this people hear me say this or my wife tells other people, they don’t believe it. But I’m I’m very much an introvert. The only you know, I. I grew up stuttering.
I you know, when we’re when there’s a group, a crowd of people, I’m in the corner. You guys. just, you know, have a good time and I’m here if anybody, you know, wants to talk. I’m not the schmoozer that goes around shaking everybody’s hands and making conversation.
And so, you know, taking the initiative to go out and talk to people, to warn my neighbor is something that is very unnatural to me and very uncomfortable for me.
me. But it is clear that that is something that I have an obligation to do. And so like with a lot of the stuff that I’ve done, I’m just like, well, like with the conspiracy in Utah and how the conspiracy attacks the local level wherever you’re at.
That’s something that nobody else had done. And so I’m like, well, nobody else is talking about it. And so I have to. And so it’s something that, you know,
we had an obligation to do. to do no matter how uncomfortable it is. We go to 2 Nephi says, “O my beloved brethren, remember my words. Behold,
I take off my garments and I shake them before you. I pray the God of my salvation that he view me with his all -searching eye. Wherefore ye shall know at the last day when all men shall be judged at their works.” works that the God of Israel did witness that I shook your Iniquities from my soul and that I stand with brightness before him and in rid of your blood Your your blood is no longer on my skirts because
I told you the truth So it was wrong for me to take that away from you and to say I’m the brunt I will do this and I will take you know know whatever you know is going on so that you feel more comfortable with being a part of it that is wrong and I’m hoping that we all realize how wrong I was for saying that and that we we don’t do that it’s it’s also wrong on the other side to place this solely on someone
else and so by you know that this it goes both ways right we don’t put this on somebody else and I don’t take it away from you We all see this as our own personal responsibility to be able to help other people understand the truth.
And then now it’s on them whether they take action on that truth or not. And so,
right, this isn’t going to make you popular, of course. And it will take sacrifice. It’s difficult. difficult. And it’s, you know, there are many different difficult aspects of it,
depending on your personality. Some people that I know on some of them on this call, probably tonight, even have no problem whatsoever talking to other people.
For me, that’s very, very difficult. And so and then in and then some other people, they have other, you know, difficulties difficulties that they find hard with.
They are afraid of the, I’m not really afraid of the consequences, I’m just afraid of talking to people for whatever reason. But like the consequences of being yelled at, I’m just like, whatever, I don’t care about that.
But somebody else is gonna say, oh man, I don’t like being, you know, people not liking me. And so there’s gonna be different aspects of this that will be difficult for everyone. And so we just need to understand that that’s the case.
And not, be afraid that we’re not, you know, that this is small. And so we need to realize that and not be discouraged by the division that it will cause. We see in Luke chapter 12,
the Lord says, “Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth, I tell you nay, but rather division.” And then in Matthew chapter 10, 37, he says, the Lord says,
“He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me.” me, and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.” So we see in these two scriptures that our popularity in doing what’s right,
in talking about what’s going on, and in warning our neighbors should not be a relevant aspect, a relevant equation, a relevant part of the equation.
equation. Our job is to do what’s right. And that’s it. We need to fear God, not man, and realize that what is the long -term consequence,
the uncomfortableness of what’s going on in the now, as opposed to going to the other side and being brought before the Lord, and the shame that we would feel for not doing something because of a little bit of an uncomfortableness.
Brigham Young said this as well. He said, “The gospel of salvation or all truth is perfectly calculated to cause division. The truth causes division because the guilty find it the truth to be hard.
It strikes at the root of the very existence of mankind in their wickedness. evil designs, passions, and wicked calculations. So yes, those that are wicked,
those that are lazy, and they want to be comfortable in their laziness, they will lash out against those that warn them about what’s going on. But that’s that’s what it’s there for.
That’s the cause of it. And that’s okay, because not only do we need to rid ourselves of their blood, but they need to be on record.
They had the information and they need to be held accountable for what they chose to do with that information. And so we’re basically taking away their agency. As we’ve covered before in previous trainings,
and if you want to read more about it, I highly, highly recommend the book. Many are called, but few are chosen by age. Verlin Anderson where he talks about how knowledge is an essential part of agency.
And so we by not sharing, by not warning our neighbor, we are a part of denying others the agency, a part of their agency,
because they don’t have the information that they could have to make a proper choice and to be accountable for their choice. And so this is an essential part of that is providing and increasing the agency of others by talking to them and telling them about what’s going on and what they need to be doing.
Yeah, so along the lines of being a part of the division. Yeah, I think it’s, it’s a very scary thing to stick out like a sore thumb and be on the wall and have arrows coming at you.
But it’s interesting ’cause a lot of more people are noticing how obvious it is the wheat and the tears are being separated. We all see that as a major sign in the last days and that’s the Lord’s work.
It’s just weird how we don’t wanna be a part of that. We think the Lord just needs to do things without us and not realizing that he works through us. And so it’s just weird to be a part of that.
is by what you’re doing and what people are sharing knowledge and truth and hard truth, we’re part of that work of separating the wheat from the tears.
And I don’t think anyone can dispute how important it is to be able to see the difference between wheat and tears and for people to reveal themselves and to be able to make a clear choice because,
oh, I see. see what I’m looking at now, it’s clear, and you can see Satan is in something and you couldn’t before. So it’s interesting how we’re afraid of it and yet we appreciate the results of it.
So maybe, you know, we tweak our thinking and realize how essential it is and what a huge blessing it is to help people to discern and to be able to choose evil from righteousness.
and and not that it’s like this reluctant chore we have to do but let’s just a huge huge blessing because every single one of us has known someone that said some uncomfortable thing that we didn’t appreciate necessarily and then we looked into it and like wow they’re right like I didn’t like that and appreciate getting pointed out that a wicked tradition and false traditions from my father’s or sacred cows but we all
appreciate that person in hindsight. So there is a lot of empathy and charity and really Christ -like qualities in what you’re talking about here.
It’s not to be seen. We just should see the positive aspects of it is what I’m trying to get at. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate that. Sometimes, you know,
you focus on the part of it that, you know, is difficult. difficult but it’s yeah the results is something we need to see as well absolutely yeah it’s gonna it’s gonna say you know when you get baptized in a church and stuff they say every member a missionary or we’re spreading the truth and why shouldn’t we spread this truth too it’s just truth right there’s no doubt this truth and that truth,
it’s just truth. Absolutely. – Right. – Thank you. – Not that I’m good at it, but. – Well, you know, just like with anything,
it’s a muscle that needs to be exercised. And the more that we do it, the better, the easier that it is. I talked about, you know, stuttering, you know, I still struggle with stuttering and people are sometimes surprised by that as well.
(upbeat music) it’s because, you know, as the practice, I can find ways to go around it or to accommodate it or compensate for it. And so just whatever it is our shortcoming is,
the more that we do it, the easier it becomes, it’s a muscle that’s built, and then we get to receive those wonderful blessings from doing so. Right. So,
not undoing what Samantha just said, but going back to a fair warning about what happens when you do these things. And so, what are the fruits of warning your neighbor?
And Timothy, I’ve given this before, is, “Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution, because the wicked find it the truth to be hard.” And so,
what are the fruits of warning your neighbor? And so, what are the fruits of warning your neighbor? And so, what are the fruits of warning your neighbor? so that’s the result, you know, and so in the Psalms, this is many are the afflictions of the righteous. But then here’s the good part. But the Lord delivereth him out of them all.
And so yeah, it’s we are proving ourselves when we do these things. In Matthew chapter five, the Lord says, “Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” heaven,
blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake, rejoice and be exceedingly glad,
be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so persecuted they the prophets were before you.” So, others, if we expect the blessings of Abraham,
but we’re not… willing to do the things that Abraham did, pay the price that Abraham did, or that, you know, the Apostle Timothy or Matthew or Paul, you name it, the people that we look up to.
It’s why do we look up to them because they did the right thing, even though it was difficult. And so now we get to enjoy the fruit of that. And so do we want to be a blessing to other people?
people or or not? I think is a key thing for us to recognize. Do we want that same blessing? And if we think we can get that blessing without doing the same thing,
we are sadly mistaken. And so I don’t want to just, you know, it’s not this is a harp on, you know, if you’re not doing this, you know, you’re a batter in trouble.
I want to give you guys some some some action, some things that you can do to. start with because that is also another thing is like a lot of people are like well where do I start and so that’s some of the tools that we provided is okay well here’s a starting point and I’m going to get into you know after a little more details and detail as well as higher level but I want to go over the website so when you go
to the website you scroll to the bottom of the page very bottom you see right there is member portal And so as members, if you haven’t logged in there, you log in, and it goes to the member portal.
Let me just go back for a second. Okay, good. It’s going to go up. So it says, so these are the things that we can just start with, right, is build our own understanding by going through the learn section at the Tree of Liberty website.
So let me go and and then also and the boot camp, right, as I put into, at the bottom of the page, we have the boot camp where we can go through the recordings that I just,
raw recordings that I made for members and going through the learn section. We need to be, you know, we need to obtain the word before we can preach the word. And so the more that we can build our own understanding,
the better we will be at warning our neighbor. And so that’s kind of the first step is building our own understanding. And that’s always,
I think, the thing that frustrates people the most, and it always reminds me of the original Karate Kid movie where he is waxing the cars, he’s sanding the deck,
and he just gets just, you know, he’s fed up with it and he gets torqued off and he yells at Mr. Mio. Miyagi and he’s like, and then Mr. Miyagi says, you know, you know, paint the fence,
wax the floor. And he was like, oh, all that hard work was necessary. I didn’t realize what was going on. But now that I have that foundation, now I can do the,
the big job, the big, the work that needs to happen. Whereas, you know, a lot of us, we just want to start fighting, bigger, bigger to fighting. fighting and using the Karate Kid analogy without having the foundations.
And that’s the same thing with liberty. You talk to all these people like, oh, I’m sick and tired of going to the constitution classes. That’s because the constitution classes that you go to pretty much suck. But, um, but beyond that is because you,
you just, you’re not understanding what needs to be done. And so we have to build that foundations before we can move forward. And then, you know, as I said, the same time,
there are other things that you can do while you’re building your understanding is that is sharing articles on the website, review member trainings that you’ve missed in the past, prayerfully consider friends and family that you can invite to become members or to talk to me to talk to them about membership.
Other action items that we can do, we’ve got, we’ve got an important study material section on the member portal. And so if this is, you know, just giving ideas that we can get started on,
we can start to catch the vision of what are the things that are needed, right? There are books that, you know, it’d be fantastic for us to be able to have audio book versions, because that helps people learn, you know,
there are people that learn differently, or that, you know, like I’ve always talked about with books, I like to have multiple versions of a book, an audio version, a print version, an electronic version. And so having more books with audio versions available is something that is very,
very helpful. And so you can be helpful by, you know, go and putting your neck out there and recording audio versions of books. And then another thing that we can do is,
well, this next one on the list is almost finished up. So this one will probably take down because we’ve had some good members really working tirelessly on this.
And I’m really excited when this will be available. But there are other things that are on the website that we can go through as well. The next one is to make a video yourself to share on social media about why you support the Tree of Liberty Society.
Also, we need help updating podcasts. and different things that we’re doing, editing videos or editing audio things that those are things that we can use help with.
And then the next thing is if you want to play a want to just role playing with others to boost your confidence, you can, you know, we’re working with others to be able to do that. So there’s different ideas to get you started on what are some ways that you can just what are some things you can start with.
And so those are the tools that we have to start to there’s the boot camp. Here’s the study material that I said that we talked that I talked about needing audio versions of, except for the mayor called we have an audio book of that we have the audio book of Philip drew that I put up there.
But others of these would be great to be able to have audio book versions. And so these are some things that we can do to get you started. started on things that need to be done. Other action items is,
I’ve talked about this and we’re almost finished with it, is the boot camp PowerPoints with the scripts. And so learning the boot camp for yourself and giving them to groups that you belong to or inviting people over to your home or you to give the boot camps to is a huge thing.
thing. Or as you become more comfortable doing that, to tide you over, invite me to come over to do that and be a help to you that you’ve done the work to invite people and I come to help give the presentations.
Another thing you can do is to distribute the books at events and get -togethers, caucus meetings, conventions, other organizations meetings, having the books on hand and somebody brings up a topic and you’re like,
wow, this book right here really helps clarify that or helps correct that idea or really helps us know what to do. And so just kind of having a talking point to say,
as a way to be able to give that book out, you’ve got something and you’re listening for people that are ready for that information, you have that and you’re ready to distribute it.
You’ve got extra copies to be able to hand out Another thing that we’re doing is working with Kate Daly when I When I appeared on Kate Daly’s info wars, it was much bigger impact than when I have been on her radio program it it was it was huge frankly and We had a very big response and everything to my appearance on her info wars program and it’s an national program as opposed to some of her other local programs
that we’ve had access to. And so one thing that I’m working to finalize on will let people know more about it in the next few days. But for just $5 ,000,
that will pay for an entire years worth of advertising on her program, on the national Info Wars, getting me having an idea of what it’s going to look like. you know motivating her to remember to have me on her info wars program on a regular basis and that will help spread the word that will get you know uh the tree of liberty society reaching tens of thousands of people on a regular basis which and the return on
investment on something like that would be exponential ten tenfold frankly, on that kind of an investment. And so that’s,
you know, in addition to warning, you can help with resources to help magnify the warning voice. Another thing that we can all do is starting our own blogs,
right, the Tree of Liberty Society, and we have different video platforms where we put it on. But if other people are doing that, you know, that helps with algorithms, that helps with search engine optimization,
where if you’re writing an article on a topic that we’ve written or did a video about, and then you link to us, like here’s that video, or here’s the article on Tree of Liberty Society, or you do a video where you talk about like a book review of my book,
or you do your own report on something that we’ve done on our website, by giving it, you know, putting it in your own words. and then and then giving examples of other places to look that is very beneficial and and it’s it’s a way for you to warn your neighbor in a broader way as well.
You can in your articles or your videos you link to our articles you link to our books. In that example already. And so when we’re when I’ve showed these examples,
these aren’t something that I’m saying you all have to do each one of these things. Right. I’m saying that first, right, before we do any action, any major actions taken,
we need to seek to obtain understanding and then build understanding in others and that all of our action right now is really focused on that. It’s it does get frustrating.
when we see so many different things going on. We want to go march on the Capitol. We want to do this. We want to do that. But it’s we will be ineffective. Not only ineffective,
we will be we will be helping the conspiracy if we take action prematurely. And so I’m saying that we need our all of our action needs to be in building our understanding and in building the understanding on others.
right now. That’s where our focus should be right now. And so see the things that I’ve gone over tonight, going back over to the member portal, I’d like to ask you all to see what suggestions that I’ve given that might excite you and get to work,
right? And then report what you’re doing or ask for help or, you know, just start on it and see if I can help you out with it. See what suggestions you can get excited about and talk to me about working with others on the project It’s something you’re like,
you know, I’d like to do X Y or Z and it’d be really helpful if I had three or four guys Helping me out. Um, you know, is there something we can do to facilitate that? Let’s do that See the vision and use your talents and interests to work on a project that you can get excited about Maybe none of these things or something.
You’re like That’s just not something I can get passionate about. You know, it’s not that I’m afraid to do it, it’s just like, if I’m gonna do something, I wanna make sure that I’m passionate about it, and so that I will be motivated to do it and do it,
you know, to its fullest extent possible. And so, just kind of catching the vision of what it is, and you know, like I’ve talked about in the past, other people have, you know, put on,
you know, giant decals on their semi -trucks, or… called, they’ve called, you know, like Jay has been really good about talking to the media personalities that he knows and getting me on his program.
And so those are great action items that we can think of that I haven’t listed, but just kind of catching the vision of what it is that we’re trying to do. We’re trying to build understanding among ourselves and among others.
And to do that, we have to spread material material. And other ways to do that is to magnify that voice. And so as a part of that is not being commanded in all things,
not waiting to be told, hey, Ben didn’t say to do anything specific. It is good. It is more helpful for me to give calls to action, totally 100%. But if I fail in that that doesn’t mean that any of us are relieved of our duty to catch the the vision and to find and see the principle and just act on our own before being commanded in all things.
And so, um, with that, that’s, that’s the bulk of what I wanted to go over. So we’ve got some, a little bit of time left over in the meeting that I,
I’d like to kind of get your feedback and you see if you have any questions or comments or thoughts, um, along these lines. But I just, I was thinking about this the other day, and about how wrong I was to say that I will just,
you know, I’m here to take the brunt. And that’s just it’s it’s it’s wrong, not just me trying to get out of doing work, but and wanting other people to join me. But it is wrong because I want you to rid the,
you know, the blood of, of others. you know, responsibility off of you. I want you to be able to have that blessing of warning your neighbor. And so I don’t want to give you an excuse that I don’t have to do that because Ben’s doing that for me.
I want you to receive the blessings of warning your neighbor and having their sins removed from you as much as I’m trying to do by being a warning voice as well. And so,
you know, this isn’t this is a society. We’re all supposed to be involved in this work. And it makes. making sure that the work gets done and so As I I’m gonna go over these the chat real quick But while I do that if anybody has anything to chime in you got anything to you’d like to comment or question Please feel free Hey an easy icebreaker that a lot of people can do I got I got asked back in September for
Constitution Day to give a talk in church church. And so, it went really good, but I mean, we’ve got a lot of days like the 4th of July around that Sunday,
or even the 24th of July, or even in September on Constitution Day, or so October. I can’t remember when that, what the date was exactly, but my bishop asked me,
and just gave a talk, and if anybody needed a talk, I could provide the one I gave. It was, it was, uh… -based and warning the people. And yeah,
it was awesome. Oh, yeah, thank you. I even took a box of constitutions, had them at the pulpit and said, if you want to copy the Constitution, come and see me after. That’s great. So I reckon you can go volunteer and say a prayer at the legislature and call them all to repentance,
and remind them of their oaths of office. And I’ll– all that fun stuff you got you got that legislative sessions blood off your skirts that’s awesome now they’re all accountable for their own sins there we go synagogue of Satan you mentioned that in your prayer yeah he’s coming out I didn’t get what he said he said mentioning the synagogue of Satan in your prayer uh wane and i talked about the the doctrine of the
lesser magistrates can you give us a since you mentioned it i’d like to ask you to give a brief over i’ve heard of it and i know you know i know about it but i just was hoping you could give a a brief overview of what that is yeah wane Wayne Wayne who Wayne wick -eiser Can you spell w I W I C H I Z E R?
Maybe you can’t hear or maybe you can’t unmute. I’m not sure but That’s okay. If you can’t do it. That’s fine. I think I think Wayne left Ben.
Oh, okay. Fair enough Talking about I didn’t throw the names. There you go Fair enough. Comments,
anything anybody wants to kind of maybe bring out from what we discussed tonight? Anything that kind of sparked your inspiration? – I was just gonna say that you didn’t really have to like repent to me.
I got the point anyway. I didn’t think. it was just you. Well I said it a lot so I felt like it was something I send publicly so I needed to repent publicly.
Yeah well I got the point. Something I did this week and I really don’t know really how to respond to it but I thought that was really good.
One of the posts on your Facebook page page was the quote from Brigham Young yeah and I sent that out I mean I have lots lots lots of elder guest friends on my Facebook page and I sent that out and several people were like are you saying that president Nelson needs to be rebuked I mean that was their instant response and I really didn’t know what to say to that.
I just said, well, I said, I think that’s a little beyond my pay grade. But, you know, Brigham Young said it. That’s kind of an odd thing,
right? I’ll bring up, I’m trying to dig it up real quick for those of you that aren’t aware. I’m just going to, because without the context, it’s kind of like a strain. It’d be hard to kind of grasp what we’re discussing.
Let’s see here. I’m going to grab this. Okay. Then there we go.
So if sin exists in high places, so much the more need of rebuking it, or from thence it will do the most harm. Very simple. simple. I thought very benign,
but it got a lot of response. It’s just– – And leave it up there for a minute. Okay, don’t take it down. – I won’t take it down, I’ll leave it there. You know, it’s not calling anybody specific out.
It’s, to me, it’s just saying that we need to get beyond the idea of if somebody’s in a certain position in a certain organization that we just leave it alone. And that’s– that’s false.
And he said, “It doesn’t matter where you are.” Yeah, go ahead. – I didn’t even really say anything about– – Yeah. – Can you specifically– – Yeah, it’s funny how you can just have, you hear something without comment and people will just freak out.
And it’s, I love what Brigham Young says here, right? Because if it’s in a high position, that’s gonna do the most harm. If some, you know– – Right. – If some schmuck is saying something, that’s not gonna do anything.
But if somebody in a position of power is saying something wrong, it’s going to cause the most problem. And so, of course, that needs to have the most response. And so it’s interesting that the instead of saying,
you know, that’s an interesting principle, you know, I’ll have to apply that when I see it happening. They automatically become accusatory as opposed to inquisitoring. Yeah, I feel like they were saying that.
was an apostate or something like that. I did go on and on about how I was going to…
I feel bad that I haven’t… I mean, I am going to write a letter to the church, but still about the things that I have problems with,
but my opinions, but… still Anyway Every organization and that says in the chat every organization has been infiltrated.
Why not the LDS church? Yeah, that’s exactly that’s um, I’ve been kicked off of quite a few SRA survivor groups because I was Mormon Oh,
wow, and it’s like I keep bringing up that if any organization on earth has power it’s going to be infiltrated and I don’t know.
I mean people just can’t seem to get it. I do get an inordinate amount of experiences, people that have had bad things happen to them in our church.
That’s interesting. And I was abused in all the proletariat churches. But anyway.
That’s sad that it happened, but it’s interesting. But it doesn’t turn me against all the rules. for, but it’s, it’s, you know, it’s, it’s not exclusive to right. People like to blame one religion when it’s,
you know, Satan is going to use whatever he can, whatever is influencing an area to be able to get his work. Anything against Jesus Christ, he’s going to use it. Hello?
Yes, Alan from Canada. Sorry, I arrived late. I Kind of indisposed but at any rate, it’s working this week.
Fantastic. We talked about that. It got your your let your streaming better Yes the My heart was I rather heavy of late and I think you kind of discerned that from a message I said you earlier.
It’s kind of interesting about the timing, right? Because I had already done this before you texted me that. Exactly. This whole thing seems very apropos, and I’ll be looking forward to reviewing the whole training episode once you put it up on the website,
because it seems to hit right on the nose of what I’ve been concerned about. Well, tell us about that. that. I don’t know if you, what would you feel comfortable, I guess?
Or was that all you were gonna say? I didn’t mean to interrupt you. – It’s just that, you know, I became a convert to the church up here in Edmonton,
you know, back in 1984. And the, many people that I know in the church, when I try to talk about the political machinations of the world and how the gospel tells us about those,
and that we need to be aware of that, and that these are serious matters that we need to be involved in, sometimes they make mock me for saying so,
and you can get very happy. hearted when people that you have high expectations of and think would be able to discern these things, make light of them. That’s all. – That is hard.
– Yeah. – I think in short– – That’s what I feel too. – It’d be good to be able to discuss maybe, you know, in more detail further, but I think in short, the more confident we are in what we’re saying,
I believe that the less that kind of stuff will affect us because– because our confidence level, we will know why they’re wrong. And so they’re being wrong,
doesn’t hurt you, right? If somebody tells you, you’re like, you know, a, you know, I’m just trying to think of something. If you say to somebody, if I throw this ball up in the air, it’s gonna fall back down on my hand and they make fun of you,
you’re gonna feel bad for them. You’re gonna laugh at them. You’re not gonna feel. feel, oh, you know, I’m, you know, I’m going to not tell anybody that gravity is real because somebody else made fun of me for it.
And so I think that more that we are confident in what we’re sharing, which, you know, comes from building our understanding, the less other people’s lack of belief,
mocking attitude will affect us. That’s I think the the short of it, but we can, I think it’s important for us to go more into that. so we will Yeah,
I just don’t want to be in a position of But like wouldn’t they see your analogy when they see the ball come down in my hands They say they say that it never happened Kind of the way they respond and then I just have to shake my head and feel me sadly,
disappointed, you know, that they could say white is black or black is white, you know. Yep, absolutely. Well,
we’re out of time for the official meeting. We’re going to go ahead and close up with our closing prayer, and then we’ll have an open forum where we can continue to discuss the topic tonight or whatever else you’d like to bring up.
Annette, I’ll are you available to give the closing prayer for us? Your mic works?
Maybe not. Annette, you just muted in case you knew that? Maybe that’s a no. Oh,
you unmute it again. Are you available? Oh, I can’t hear you. Mr. Sal, would you be willing to say the closing prayer for us? Yeah,
Ben, I got you. Our dear Father in Heaven, we’re grateful that we could go over this topic tonight and we’re grateful for Ben and his preparation and His willingness to help us understand and Stick his neck out on our behalf we pray father in heaven that That will help us to Stick our neck out on thy behalf and that We’ll be willing to take the risks and be willing to face the consequences of the secret combinations
as they are certainly above us. Help us to know how to do combat with them father for thy sake and for thy kingdom.
We pray that they will will inspire us and speak to us with truth. We pray that that will show us where to find more truth and a deeper understanding of the kingdom,
of the gospel, and of our Savior Jesus Christ. We pray, Father, that thou will bless us with opportunities to help others to overcome the blindness and the famine which has plagued this world for so many generations.
And moving forward we pray for the guidance of the Holy Ghost. in all that we do. And this we pray and ask for in the name of our Savior,
Jesus Christ, amen.
